I can't believe you
got him! You expert, rootin'-tootin', eagle-eyed, Goth-loving marksman! I love it, you managed to find a way to win, and everybody still loses!
The Champion of the Universe: [clinging to an asteroid] I WON! No one can stand against Champion's might! I'VE WON IT ALL!
Have you now? It looks to me that all you've managed to do is destroy Tamarata
, the prize we fought over, and strand yourself in outer space.
—The Thanos Quest:
This war is over. You lost. Founder:
Have I? I think you'll find that neither the Jem'Hadar or the Breen will agree with that assessment. They will fight to the last man. Kira:
And what will that accomplish? Founder:
Isn't it obvious? You may win this war, Commander; but I promise you, when it is over, you will have lost so many ships, so many lives, that your victory will taste as bitter as defeat.
Kahless himself said "Destroying an Empire to win a war is no victory." Gowron:
"And ending a battle to save an Empire is no defeat."
When Rhaenyra's last son wed Aegon's only daughter, the Dance of Dragons
Ash and burned men: all that was left of the Riverlands.
You see me now a veteran of a thousand psychic wars.
My energy is spent at last, and my armor is destroyed.
I have used up all my weapons, and I'm helpless and bereaved.
Wounds are all I'm made of...
Did I hear you say that this is victory?
His only son,
Cut down, but the battle won,
Oh, what is it worth,
When all that's left is hurt?
You've crossed the finish line,
Won the race but lost your mind,
Was it worth it after all?
— Lazlo Bane, "Superman"
So tell me who won here tonight
The price of winning worthless fight
For years and years I wandered the earth
Until I died and went to hell
But my despair had ascended to heaven
That's how I finally got rid of it.
The entrance fee cost me
Two dollars, and then
It cost twenty more
For those burgers and fries.
My hospital bill
Was a hundred and ten.
But I won—
The five-dollar first prize!
With their tails tucked proudly 'tween their legs
Advancing towards the exit march the dregs
Of empire, whose retreat this question begs
No promised omelette, just the broken eggs?
— Michael Murry, "The Misfortune Teller,"
Lands ravaged, cities in ruins, so many lives sacrificed, and yet there was no other word for it but victory.
They found themselves alive again, still bearing their mortal wounds.
Sometimes the only victory possible is to keep your opponent from winning.
My escape was miraculous; the Emperor must have rewarded my undying faith in those times. However, though I am physically free, my body bears the scars, the many, many scars
. Every breath takes me to a new plane of agony, every heartbeat sets my jagged nerves writhing with pain. I cannot see
. I cannot speak
. Most horrid of all, I cannot forget
. Nightmares and waking visions plague me, the drip of my own blood, the cries of anguish haunt me.
I mean, anybody who has beaten this incredibly hard
piece of shit will not have any sense of satisfaction, but rather regrets, because it is a complete waste of fuckin' time. I mean, it's like coming out of a brutal fight, being the winner, but achieving nothing for all your troubles but some bloody bruises and broken bones. It's just not worth it.
Game Grumps: Died
Jon still won though
put that in the books
Nothing will make me feel better, even the victory will be bittersweet!
REEEAAALLLYYY?! I... you... sack
of shit, god dammit! Okay, I guess that's how we're gonna end this. Anticlimactically!
Even when I win, you don't let me feel good about it! I
ran out of power
- god - of course, you let me win in the most INFURIATING!! POSSIBLE!! WAY!!
God, I don't need your pity!
I don't need your lucky pity win! Gah-ha-ha-had dammit!
] had made Star Wars
because he had dreamed of movies like those he'd seen in his youth. He made it into a trilogy because he dreamed of an independent film-maker's paradise in Skywalker Ranch. He had risked everything,
sacrificed so much, given up six years of his life in order to make this dream a reality. But in the end... all he had was a building. The facility was so state-of-the-art that the only ones who could use it were big Hollywood film-makers, not little independents, and its remoteness, no doubt meant to encourage the Northern California film industry, instead discouraged people from making the long trip there. Skywalker Ranch would be used, but mostly by Lucasfilm to serve their own film-making needs and really only because it was already there and, of course, could not be sold. And in his attempt to fulfill this dream, so many people were gone now: Francis Ford Coppola
, Gary Kurtz, Charles Lippincott, John Dykstra, Ralph McQuarrie... Marcia Lucas. And there remained George Lucas. His friends and colleagues wanted to make Citizen Kane
, but Lucas? He lived it.
After that, he was done.
The Vietnam War
was America's second longest, finally ending only in 1978 with the diplomatic agreement mediated by President James E. Carter
under which the guerrilla forces of the Viet Cong and the People's Army of Vietnam (formerly the North Vietnamese Army) agreed to lay down arms in exchange for the right to field their own political candidates. Only the Cuban
conflict would last longer: at the time of the Vietnam memorial's groundbreaking, the guerrilla war which had begun following the April 1961 Bay of Pigs "intervention"
is still in progress. The Linebacker operations
of the early seventies
had broken the formal power of the Communist regime
then in power in Hanoi, at the cost of several million Vietnamese dead from flooding, disease and starvation following the bombing of the North's dike system. The North Vietnamese had refused to simply surrender
, however, and they and their Viet Cong allies had waged a fierce guerrilla struggle even after the occupation first of Hanoi and then of the Communists' second capital, Haiphong. At home, the seemingly endless conflict
had grown increasingly unpopular, as American troops continued to fight and die even after "victory" had supposedly been won.
President Carter's negotiation of the Vietnam accords had been sharply criticized by, among others, former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, who said that the peace agreement "granted the Communists what they could not win on the battlefield" and predicted that Vietnamese leftists would now try to subvert the unified government of Vietnam from within. Among the critics was former governor Ronald Reagan
of California, who in 1980 would exploit anger over the pact in his successful run for the White House.
The influence of Reagan and his supporters would be revealed in the final design of the memorial, which featured a group of soldiers planting a flag atop a broken wall and bore the names of every American killed in the conflict.
Our homes have been returned to us... but not before they were looted. Ransacked by a megalomaniacal ship with designs to become a ruler, just like its brain-diseased masters.
...And even though Hal claims to view this as victory for us... I just can't. I really can't. Innocent people still died from the first invasion of Arkanea, the riots caused over that supposedly incurable disease, the second invasion, all the other invasions on the neighboring kingdoms... our home and many of our friends' homes have been destroyed then rebuilt into something utterly alien... many people will still be homeless or wrecked due to all the economic destruction wrought by the pilfering...
...All for what?
Because we had metal. Just because we had metal.
The next worst thing to a battle lost is a battle won.
— The Duke of Wellington a day after Waterloo
Another such victory over the Romans and we are undone.
If we have eight more victories such as these there shall be nobody left to bring news of them.
— A British politician learning of the "victory" at Bunker Hill
(226 men dead, 828 wounded out of ~3000)
The loser of a knife fight dies at the scene. The winner of a knife fight dies in an ambulance on the way to hospital.
— Origin unknown
Once you hear the details of victory, it is hard to distinguish it from a defeat.