On Woobie.Web Comics, please remove the wick to Character Alignment, as it is Flame Bait.

At Anime And Manga A To J, for Akame ga Kill, for Syura, please change The Wild Hunt to the Wild Hunt.

Done to here.

On YMMV.The Red Pill, please remove the wick to Periphery Hatedom, as it is Flame Bait.

At One Piece, for Caesar Clown, that should be Vegapunk, not Vegapin.

Also, for both the quote and his entry, please pothole Donquixote Doflamingo to One Piece: "Heavenly Demon" Donquixote Doflamingo

With this please:

• Put one-three on MagnificentBastard.Anime And Manga;
• Four-seven on MagnificentBastard.Film, replacing the Wild Things entry with the tree;
• On MagnificentBastard.Literature, please replace the Dragonlance entry with the tree comprising of entries eight and nine;
• Ten goes on MagnificentBastard.Live Action TV;
• Eleven-fourteen on MagnificentBastard.Video Games;
• 15-17 on MagnificentBastard.Western Animation, 15 and 16 replacing The Boondocks tree and 17 as a rewrite for the current South Park entry.

Cheers!

Film S To Z: In the Shocker entry, please pothole "butchers families" to Family Extermination.

Please recreate and cut Ninja Town and Why Do They Call It The Warthog to get rid of ghost wicks.

Done to here.

The Bible edit request:

• Madonna-Whore Complex:
  • In the Book of Genesis, where Tamar disguises herself as a shrine prostitute to sleep with her former father-in-law and becomes pregnant by him. At first, Judah sentences her to be burned to death for engaging in illicit sex... but she sends a messenger with the cord and seal that she had taken as "collateral," saying that the man who owns them is the father. Judah recognizes the MacGuffins as his, and spares Tamar's life. He even says that she is more righteous than he is, because she had done her duty (perpetuating the lineage of her deceased husband) and Judah had not (he married his youngest son Shelah off to someone else, even though Shelah was supposed to marry Tamar to provide for her and father children on his dead brother's behalf.) From then on, Tamar lives in Judah's household, raises the twins born from their sexual act and he provides for her and the kids as he would an actual wife (although they didn't have sex again.)
  • Averted with Rahab, a prostitute^note Although some believe she was just an innkeeper or the wife of one, the mainstream view is that she was actually a High-Class Call Girl from the Book of Joshua. She is shown to be a kind person, and even hides the Israelite spies. Not only does she end up later having a family of her own, but she becomes part of the lineage of the Messiah.
  • Played straight in the Book of Proverbs, where the students are warned about "strange" women, and where these women are contrasted against a personification of Wisdom, and against the Wife of Noble Character.
  • There's nowhere in any of The Four Gospels who says "Mary Magdalene was a prostitute", neither is she positively identified with the Woman With The Alabaster Jar (who seems to be a shamed slut, whether professional or not), but in any case, it's common practice to make her a Composite Character with the Woman With The Alabaster Jar to counterbalance, you know, The Madonna. Even then, this composite Mary Magdalene plays with the dynamic by being a Whore who becomes a Madonna.
  • Subverted in the The Four Gospels on at least two occasions. The first time, Jesus chats with an unnamed Samaritan woman at her town's well, and does not treat her with contempt for having been married and divorced five times and living with a boyfriend as a "kept woman," even though everyone else does, to the point where she comes to the well at high noon instead of at dawn or dusk when the other townswomen do. The second time, a woman who was caught in the act of adultery is being brought out to be executed by stoning^note Her lover is not mentioned as being about to be executed, even though he was caught, too, and even though the laws laid out in the Book of Exodus said that both the man and the woman were to be executed. The townsmen ask Jesus what should be done with her, and He calls on the sinless among them to throw the first stone... leading them to spare her life. He then tells her that he doesn't condemn her, and to go and live her life and not cheat again.
  • Played straight in the Book of Revelation. The Whore of Babylon (a personification of a culture of corruption, idolatry, and immorality) is contrasted to the pure Bride of Christ (the church).

• Misaimed Fandom:
  • In many health food stores, one can find "Ezekiel 4:9" bread, which, as prescribed in the verse cited, is made from wheat, barley, lentils, beans, millet, and spelt. The problem is that the bread is being made as penance; the next few verses tell them to cook it over human feces.
    • Though when Ezekiel is unwilling to use that as fuel even to make a point, God allows him to use cow dung instead. And the point they're gleaning from it, while not the main thrust of the passage, is that if you can live off of nothing but about 12 ounces of it a day (a little more than 340g) for 390 days, it must be reasonably nutritious. (Though yeah, they probably diverge from the original recipe in that don't bake it over any kind of dung these days. And that's not even getting into cinnamon raisin...)
    • In general, Christians who treat every word in the Bible as though it is on equal ground. This is not even going into the issues of whether we should interpret it literally or allegorically; we could be here all day with that. But even with a literal interpretation, there are some books which are intended to be read as histories, not as rules to follow. And even as far as rules go, some of them were laws only meant to be followed by Jews (e.g. the ones in Leviticus); indeed, the first dang Church Council, attended by Paul and the Apostles themselves and recorded in Acts, specifically said that Gentile Christians (i.e. those who are not ethnically Jewish) are not bound by Jewish law. (Eventually, this came to be understood to mean that all Christians are not bound by Jewish law, but the black letter of the Council's judgment at the time was limited to what was required of Gentiles and did not address whether Christianity abrogated Jewish law for Jewish Christians.)
      • That said, Matthew 5:17-20 reads like a fairly resounding endorsement of the law which is backed up by John 5:46. Despite the fact that these words were likely intended for (and spoken to) a Jewish audience, they have resulted in OT morality seeping through to modern society.
      • This overlooks the fact that those verses cover events that happened before Jesus' death, when (according to most prevailing Christian theories) the Mosaic Law was still in effect for Jews. Jesus' death, according to subsequent Christian theory, removed the necessity of Jewish Law even for ethnic Jews.
      • The end result is that some Christians seem to pick and choose what parts of the Mosaic law they want to enforce, potentially for decidedly non-religious reasons. They love to cite Leviticus when claiming the Bible condemns homosexuality, then when someone accuses them of violating some other part of Leviticus they claim that Jesus made it so they don't have to follow the Mosaic law, which leaves unanswered the question of why this one part of it is still in effect... although:
    • In fact, what people, believers or otherwise, need to consider is that The Bible is actually an anthology and not one book. It's a compilation of various different books with varying interpretations and validity. Therefore, it is possible and even viable to reject parts of the Bible (for good or ill).
  • One verse which is often misinterpreted due to cultural changes is Matthew 5:39 "turning the other cheek". People overlook that the verse specifies the right cheek. In society at that time to strike someone with the back of one's fist was considered an insult and as most people are right handed, a backhand to the face lands on the right cheek. With this in mind, it reads as "Don't feed the trolls" and not "let people walk all over you".
    • There's also the fact that if you turn the other cheek, they'll have to slap you with the palm of their hand, hurting them more than you.
      • A lot of people claim that "turn the other cheek" has some non obvious meaning due to the social conventions of the time. But they tend to neglect the other instructions that come immediately after: "And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you." So whatever Jesus may have been saying about cheeks specifically, the larger point still stands.
      • Even those verses, however, have meanings specific to the era and culture in which they were written. Roman imperial policy allowed for people to sue someone for their personal possessions (including the clothes off their backs) if they were unable to repay their debts, so long as the person was allowed to keep their cloak; similarly, a Roman soldier was allowed to force a civilian to carry his gear for a mile, but no more (hence the phrase "go the extra mile"). Jesus was instructing his followers to gladly go beyond what was required of them by law, regardless of how unjust it might be. Whether you look at it as a way of loving your enemies or exposing a corrupt system, it's still asking for a great deal of personal sacrifice and humility on the part of the person being mistreated.
  • A lot of weddings like to use the blessing from Deuteronomy 28:2-14, where the Lord promises a lot of juicy blessings for for his people who obey his commands, including blessings for their city and country, their offspring, their produce of the ground, their herds and flocks, their tools and houses, their jobs and relatives, when they come in and go out, etc, if they obey his commandments. What newlyweds who pick that passage forget is the passage RIGHT AFTER, 15-64, where the Lord promises that if they don’t obey him, they will be host to a whole horde of punishments, including curses on everything he listed above, as well as defeat in war, conquest, death and rape of your family, exile, etc. Not much fun to read at a wedding, hence why it’s important to read in context.
  • Depictions of Judas as a despicable villain, cowardly betrayer and an agent of Satan are pretty mainstream. Judas was meant to betray Jesus, so he can die for humanity's sins. Also remember that Satan actually wanted to prevent Jesus from dying, so why would he send a guy to sell him out to people who want him dead?
    • At least one of the gospels has Judas possessed by Satan when he betrays Jesus. When Satan leaves him, he desperately Must Make Amends, and is so wracked with guilt he hangs himself. Yet, his name is shorthand for evil and a lot of people think he's one of the Bible's greatest villains.
    • We have Word of Dante to blame for that one, of course. The Church (for quite some time, Christianity really was Catholic) demonized Judas for various reasons, a portrayal cemented in our culture by...well...Dante, whose Inferno has Judas be one of the three great historical traitors (with Caesar's traitors Brutus and Cassius) deemed bad enough to be chewed upon by Satan for all eternity.
    • Judas wasn't entirely innocent, though, as he makes the deal with the Pharisees before Satan enters him at the last supper. John also records that Judas was greedy and would often help himself to the contents of the disciples' moneybag, and at one point called out Christ for wasting perfume that could have been "sold to the poor" when he really only intended to get more money for himself.
    • And Jesus' own condemnation of Judas, saying "betrayal must come, but woe to the one through whom it comes!" While it's acknowledged as a necessary evil, Judas is definitely a villain in the Bible. Pointing out ways in which he maybe wasn't so bad is Misaimed Fandom in itself.
    • Though there is always the implication that, Jesus was pointing out that whoever would've committed the betrayal would forever be remembered in history as a villain and "woe be to them."
    • There are other gospels than the ones the Council of Nicene chose to put in the Bible, with just as much (or little) claim to being accurate accounts. A few of them have Judas acting under direct orders from Jesus at the time.
  • The vast majority of Christian theories about the apocalypse are a result of reading large numbers of passages in unintuitive ways that were largely not meant to go together. A large cornerstone is Revelation, a book that could just as easily be read as a veiled criticism of Roman policies at the time than any kind of warning about the world's demise. But this confusion pales before one of the resulting theories, which is that an Antichrist will come forth proposing peace, but truly desiring war, who will begin all of the troubles. While it is true that people can deceive others in their bid for power, this often results in followers of these theories who will absolutely refuse to follow any leader who argues in favor of policies that promote peace. Which, as you know, was a concept Jesus often supported himself.
    • Oddly enough, Revelation does not contain the word "Antichrist". The word only comes up in the Gospel of John, and in one case it's plural. The antichrist is either some particular guy who denies the divinity of Jesus, or it's a generic term for any person who denies the divinity of Jesus (i.e. it's a synonym for "non-Christian"). Meanwhile, Revelation features Satan, The Beasts, The Dragon, and The Whore of Babylon, but none of these are actually named "antichrist". And they generally come across as physically (not just morally) monstrous, which sorta messes with the popular idea that "The Antichrist" will show up as a charismatic human-shaped leader, and that such an event is plainly predicted in Revelation.
  • The story of Adam and Eve has been misused for centuries to provide an aesop that women are seductresses who lure men to their downfall. Since Eve was the first one to bite the apple, it also has the implied message that women are weak, stupid, evil, and so on, and should therefore be punished for all eternity by being reduced to second class citizens or kept out of high profile religious professions. Even to this day you'll find people who use this story as a reason why women cannot be ordained as priests or popes. Some of them are even women!
  • As far as religious figures go, Jesus has the worst case of Misaimed Fandom ever. Here's a poor son of a Jewish carpenter who, for the most part, was practically a Proto-Hippie. A man who spoke on behalf of the poor and marginalized, respected women as human beings and equals, eschewed material wealth and earthly power, chewed out the "Fat Cats" and stuffy religious authorities of the day, a man who taught kindness, altruism, generosity, unconditional love, forgiveness and peace... If anything, he was practically a "Liberal Peacenik Hippie Socialist" or whatever... Yet institutions professing to follow him have used his brand of a kinder, gentler, humanitarian Reformed Judaism to commit horrific acts of violence and bigotry! Yeshua Bar Yosef (a.k.a 'Jesus') would look at the Crusades, pogroms, Witch Hunts, hate crimes, totalitarianism, imperialism, bigotry, sexism and lust for power committed through the ages with utter horror!
  • On Jesus and Economics (given that none of the authors of the New Testament Gospels and Epistles are alive to explain their writings, obverse Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment): Many of the Christian Left have accused those of the Christian Right of having a misaimed fandom in using religion to rail against various social issues (e.g. same-sex marriage) while overlooking efforts to confront poverty and other socioeconomic problems. On the other hand, Rightists have also accused Leftists of also observing a misaimed fandom in pursuing Social Justice in that Jesus, while calling people to be charitable and humble, did not call for call for forcibly seizing people's private property (and thus in doing so, conflicting with prohibition on theft) autocratically to impose this on people and that such actions would be Not So Different from the Roman Empire's despotism that Jesus was opposed to. The Book of Acts is frequently interpreted by both sides as supporting their respective arguments.
    • On the other hand, many conservatives have accused liberals of wiping away any requirements of Christianity, making it a meaningless feel-good religion. If you condemn no one and there is no sin, then the forgiveness is meaningless. This is one interpretation of the song Sound of Silence and the more on-the-nose Scandalon.
  • On Martin Luther and the Protestant Reformation: Many Protestant Christians hail Martin Luther as a hero for cutting ties from the Roman Catholic Church. However, Luther sought to reform (hence why it was initially called a reformation in the first place) the Catholic Church, not to create any sort of other religious denomination(s). Near the end of his life, he even aired his own disappointment about a new Religious assembly (Lutheranism) and "complained that he did not want to give his name to a community that should take its name only from Christ".^note :Luther, Martin. New World Book Encyclopedia. 1984.
  • The Proverbs passage about the Wife of Noble Character is sometimes used by various sects in the modern age to demonstrate that women should Stay in the Kitchen and tend to their families and to work deemed appropriately feminine (the example given is textile work), and stay out of trouble, while their husbands should work in the public sphere. However, it was actually written not so much to tell women what they should be doing, but to encourage men to appreciate the work done by the women in their lives, instead of taking their wives and the work they did for granted. (Indeed, the woman in the poem is strong and capable, and she runs her own business. And her husband boasts about her to his friends and colleagues.)
    • Indeed, the Woman of Valor seems to run several businesses, in addition to buying land for her vineyard and teaching Torah (Proverbs 31:26). She most definitely does not stay out of the public sphere.
    • On the flip side, it could be (and indeed has been) read as an admonition to women to aspire to an impossible "superwoman" ideal in order to be "worthy" as a human being and a marriage partner, but again, the same thing about the passage actually being written to encourage men to appreciate their wives (as opposed to admonishing women) applies. In other words, she is a Composite Character of all the roles that a "respectable" woman could do in that time and place. Just because she can "do it all" doesn't mean that the reader (or reader's spouse) must "do it all," or try to fit into a role that she is not really suited for or talented at, or does not want to do. Nor is it meant to imply that men can't/shouldn't do domestic things, or "have to" work in the public sphere if he'd rather be a House Husband, or that a woman's first or most important role is to be motherhood if she doesn't want it to be, or that an infertile or not-so-conventionally-attractive woman is not (or cannot be) a good wife.
  • In the story of Cain and Abel, God gives Cain some kind of "mark," so that no one will go and take revenge on him. What this mark was or might have been is not known. But somehow, some sects thought it was a change in Cain's overall skin color, and that it was not so much a protection as a curse...and used it to justify slavery and racism towards black people.
    • Similarly, Noah's curse of Ham's descendants in a hungover rage for laughing at Noah's nudity.
  • On the Veneration of "Saint Ernesto": In some parts of Latin America, shrines have been made to venerate Che Guevara with some even "Canonizing" him as a "Saint" along with making prayers for his intercession. It is taken to the point that it was noted in one rural village in Bolivia in 2007 had a space that included images of him alongside those of Jesus, the Virgin Mary, and Pope John Paul II. However the only problem with this is that Guevara, who while motivated by Marxist beliefs that coincide with some Christian tenets of generosity and charity, was an ardent Atheist who disdained both the Catholic Church and for that matter organized religion in general and would not at all take kindly to being associated with the Catholic Church.
  • Satan is intended in the Abrahamic religions as at worst evil incarnate, and at best humanity's adversary / bad cop (as in the earlier portrayals) yet both the trope Satan Is Good and various forms of Satanism exist.

Edited by IukaSylvie on Mar 25th 2019 at 1:32:51 AM

Per the Unreleased Work Speculation Cleanup Thread, I'd like to request that Toy Story 4 and its subpages be locked until the film's release.

It had a massive amount of Speculative Troping cleaned up about five days ago, and since then the vast majority of its edits have been more Speculative Troping that have been immediately reverted. It's getting to be not worth the effort to keep it clean, especially with so many other pages needing attention.

Thanks.

Edited by HighCrate on Mar 24th 2019 at 6:36:02 AM

Don't lock WMG.Toy Story 4, though.

One more for One Piece: Please change the pothole for Hody Jones to The Social Darwinist. Thanks.

From here:

• First thing goes to Complete Monster (Comic Books).
• At Anime And Manga K To Z, for Magical Girl Raising Project, please double-indent Fav and add Mary BELOW; please also add the following tree to that page.
• Bloodrayne tree goes to Comic Books: A to H.
• Ashberry goes to Comic Books: I to Z.
• Kung rewrite goes to Film A To C.
• Chikara; Hard Way duo go to Film D To J.
• Prince goes to Film K To R.
  • For Pan's Labyrinth, please wrap Humans Are the Real Monsters around "one figurative".
• Silent Hill duo; Spawn rewrite; Thunderbird go to Film S To Z.
• Bane goes to Literature A To F.
• Mendoza rewrite (Blood Ties) goes to Live Action TVA To L.
• Coventry goes to Live Action TVM To Z.
• Ego rewrite goes to Marvel Cinematic Universe.
• Thunderbird goes at the end of Super Sentai.
• Gore goes to Top Cow Productions, before Herod (near the end of the page).
• Bloodrayne tree (replacing the current entry) and Storm go to Video Games A To K.
• Voicu & Malebolgia go to Video Games L To Z.
• Next entry goes to World Of Darkness, before Vykos (same indentation).
• Carnage rewrite (Theme Parks) & Vlad (Other) go to Other Media.
• Last thing goes to Ultra Series, between Gais & Cosmos.

Thanks

Edited by ACW on Mar 26th 2019 at 9:52:18 AM

For VideoGame.Final Fantasy VII change this:

This since has changed with Square Enix bring the game to mobile phones in 2015 for iOS and 2016 for Android. In 2019, VII, along with other PS1 and PS2-era installments, are set to be released on Microsoft's Xbox One and the Nintendo Switch.

to this:

This since has changed with Square Enix bringing the game to mobile phones in 2015 for iOS and 2016 for Android. Then in early 2019, VII was released on Microsoft's Xbox One and the Nintendo Switch alongside other PS1 and PS2-era installments.

Can we get an edit of Political Correctness Gone Mad to reword one of the example works? Under "Examples of stories complaining about it", under the "live action" heading, is the following:

The David Zucker film An American Carol points out many of the fallacies, ill-logic and over the top rhetoric used by those who approve political correctness.

Can we get this reworded to not be flame bait (and also to provide an ACTUAL EXAMPLE and not just "this work has this trope")?

Here are my edits for Lolita:

New tropes:

Lolita contains examples of:

• Have a Gay Old Time: After her death, Charlotte is mentioned to have been a gay person.
• I Can't Dance: Humbert's excuse to avoid dancing with Charlotte.
• Not-So-Fake Prop Weapon: On learning that Charlotte believed her gun to be unloaded, Humbert considers to stage a Deadly Prank by shooting her "accidentally".

Tropes related to adaptations:

• But Liquor Is Quicker: Humbert takes a sip from a bottle before having to consummate his marriage with Charlotte.
• Chekhov's Gun: Via Futureshadowing in the opening scene of the 1962 version, we see Charlotte's revolver in use before we get to see how Humbert got hold of it.
• Conspicuous Gloves: In the opening scene of Kubrick's adaptation, Quilty asks Humbert why he is putting on gloves in his house, wondering if he may be cold. Quilty is dead a couple of minutes later.
• Herr Doktor: One of Quilty's personas is a certain Dr. Zemph, a school psychologist wearing thick glasses and talking with an even thicker German accent. Humbert falls for it.
• How We Got Here: The Kubrick film begins with Humbert shooting Quilty. Then we skip back 4 years to show how things led up to this moment.
• Inner Monologue: We can hear Humbert monologuing. This was the first time Stanley Kubrick used first-person narration in a film.
• Revolvers Are for Amateurs: Charlotte owns a small revolver which she got from her late husband and which ends up in Humbert's possession. It looks amateurish in his hand.
• Slip into Something More Comfortable: Charlotte does this to seduce Humbert in her home after the dance party.
• Sounding It Out: In the 1962 version, Humbert reads out Charlotte's letter to the audience in which she declared her love for him.
• "Where Are They Now?" Epilogue: Before The End title card in the 1962 version, we learn via scrolling text that Humbert died in prison awaiting trial for Quilty's murder.

Edits:

• Remove entry for In Medias Res. It's covered by new entry for How We Got Here.
• Remove entry for Foregone Conclusion, it's covered by subtrope Oh, and X Dies.
• Look for "she she", replace with "as she"

Edited by eroock on Mar 25th 2019 at 3:17:26 PM

There are a couple of grammatical errors on Monster.Marvel Comics that need to be fixed.

For Annihilus's entry, where it says:

It should be changed to:

Hi, doing stuff for the Pages In Accidentally Miscapitalised Namespaces page! Would it be possible to move Main.Shape Shifting to Main.Shapeshifting?

Reason: a) shapeshifting is already one word, b) Shapeshifting, as one word, is already the page's custom title, so it having a CamelCase URL title is... odd.

The page's contents have been copied to Pages In Accidentally Miscapitalised Namespaces Second Half already.

Edited for link spelling.

Edited by TurquoiseOwl on Mar 25th 2019 at 8:09:11 AM

MagnificentBastard.Film: In the Lifeforce entry, please change the last sentence to:

Should some (all?) of the subpages for Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines 2 be locked, as the game has only had a single trailer and dev commentary? The game itself is not due out until next year.

Television Is Trying to Kill Us, for the "Almost Lethal Weapons" entry, I'd like the second sentence to be changed to the following:

At Assassin's Creed (second entry) and Film A To C, please cut the last sentence from Torquemada's entry.

Should Alex Jones be added to the PRLC?

Immoral Businessman as a redirect to Corrupt Corporate Executive?