Complete Monster Cleanup

Right with the Spyro page almost complete, got some minor edits to some of the candidates listed since there's some minor inaccuracies and some info that I think could be added.

Originals

• Year of the Dragon: The Sorceress is the cruel ruler of the Forgotten Worlds. Manipulating her apprentice Bianca into abducting 150 Dragon Eggs under the guise of restoring magic to her kingdom, the Sorceress quickly reveals the true depths of her selfishness and hypocrisy. Completely uncaring of the lives of her men, the Sorceress transforms her own minions into freakish monsters to fight Spyro, and ultimately plans to create a monster to wipe out every dragon, even the hatchlings, all so she can collect their wings for a spell that will give her eternal youth. She nonchalantly states that she doesn't even have to kill them; she just doesn't want them wriggling around while she removes their wings. A genocidal tyrant who only cares about herself, the Sorceress stands out as the darkest and purest villain in the original Spyro trilogy.
• Shadow Legacy: The Sorcerer is a Purple Dragon who believes that he is a "True Dragon", claiming that the other dragons are not true dragons. Prior to the events of the game, the Sorcerer corrupts Red with his magic, and orders him to place life draining Dark Gems across the realms to poison the life of the world. After Red's defeat, the Sorcerer creates three Shadow Amplifier Machines to pull everyone, including children, to the Shadow Realm so he can drain them of their magic, which involves torturing and killing them. When Bianca tries to stop him, the Sorcerer easily defeats her and orders Red to use her as bait for Spyro so he can kill him. When Spyro finally confronts the Sorcerer, he offers to make Spyro his apprentice, only for him to reject him anyways, deeming him too small and weak, before attempting to kill him for interfering his plans. A cruel, dark being who believes himself to be superior to the other dragons, the Sorcerer serves as one of Spyro's darkest foes.
• Malefor is a monstrously evil dragon responsible for the trilogy's events. Banished by the Dragon Elders after succumbing to his own ambition and megalomania, Malefor formulated a new army and waged war against his own kind before being sealed away. To stop the prophecy of the Purple Dragon, Malefor had his Ape servants raid the Dragon Temple and smash all of the Eggs within. Seeking to be released from his prison, Malefor provided Gaul the dark magic in which he could corrupt the hatchling Cynder into a loyal servant, having her torture and drain the magic of the Dragon Elders to aid him. Free from his prison, Malefor "rewards" his Ape army by stripping them of their flesh and forcing them to live in the shadows. Creating a new army of Grublins from the earth, Malefor has them ravage the surface, killing all within their path. Fond of crushing the hope of his enemies, Malefor has his armies retreat from the Siege of Warfang, only to allow the Golem the opportunity to wreak destruction upon the city. Intending on bringing about "The Great Cleansing", Malefor resurrects The Destroyer and attempts to use it to bathe the world in a blazing inferno and extinguish all that lives.
• The Eternal Night: Gaul is the leader of the Apes who seeks to release Malefor from his prison. Prior to the story, Gaul personally led the raid on the Dragon Temple, destroying every Dragon Egg there. Taking Cynder's Egg back to his lair, Gaul uses Malefor's magic to warp the young Cynder into an instrument of war, keeping her aware of her actions, and through her had countless innocents enslaved or slaughtered. In the second game, Gaul has his followers siege the Dragon Temple again purely to kill Spyro. Later in the game, Gaul commits an attack on the Skavenger's ship, leaving it to burn with its inhabitants inside. Before the final battle, Gaul drains Spyro of his strength and forces Cynder to try and kill him. Despite having a deep hatred for dragons, Gaul committed many atrocities under Malefor's command purely to obtain more power.

Rewrites

• Year of the Dragon: The Sorceress is the cruel ruler of the Forgotten Worlds. Manipulating her apprentice Bianca into abducting 150 Dragon Eggs under the guise of restoring magic to her kingdom, the Sorceress reveals the true depths of her selfishness and hypocrisy, with her true intentions being to collect the dragon hatchling's wings for a spell to gain immortality — nonchalantly stating that she doesn't even have to kill them; she just doesn't want them wriggling around while she removes their wings. Completely uncaring of the lives of her men, the Sorceress transforms her own minions into freakish monsters to fight Spyro, and ultimately, due to her annoyance of Spyro's interference, creates a "monster to end all monsters" to wipe out every dragon. A genocidal tyrant who only cares about herself, the Sorceress stands out as the darkest and purest villain in the original Spyro trilogy.

The current make it seems like she's after all their wings even though it's just the baby dragons and she only decides to go genocidal because she's annoyed with Spyro's interference, that amount of Disproportionate Retribution seems notable to write up.

• Shadow Legacy: The Sorcerer is a Purple Dragon who believes that he is a "True Dragon", claiming that the other dragons are not true dragons. Prior to the events of the game, the Sorcerer corrupts Red with his magic, and orders him to place life draining Dark Gems across the realms to poison the life of the world. After Red's defeat, the Sorcerer creates three Shadow Amplifier Machines to pull everyone, including children, to the Shadow Realm so he can drain them of their magic, which involves torturing and leaving them to die there. When Bianca tries to stop him, the Sorcerer easily defeats her and orders Red to use her as bait for Spyro so he can kill him — also using Red as a scapegoat as the one responsible for his actions. When Spyro finally confronts the Sorcerer, he offers to make Spyro his apprentice, only for him to reject him anyways, deeming him too small and weak, before attempting to kill him for interfering his plans — with his final plan to drag everyone back into the Shadow Realm to drain them of their magic. A cruel, dark being who believes himself to be superior to the other dragons, the Sorcerer serves as one of Spyro's darkest foes.

The sorcerer never actually kills anyone in the Shadow Realm (although there's enough implications of what will happen to everyone after their magic is drained.)

• Malefor is a monstrously evil dragon responsible for the trilogy's events whose civilised front barely conceals the sadistic monster underneath. Banished by the Dragon Elders after succumbing to his own ambition and megalomania, Malefor formulated a new army and waged war against his own kind before being sealed away. To stop the prophecy of the Purple Dragon, Malefor had his Ape servants raid the Dragon Temple and smash all of the Eggs within. Seeking to be released from his prison, Malefor provided Gaul the dark magic in which he could corrupt the hatchling Cynder into a loyal servant, having her torture and drain the magic of the Dragon Elders to aid him. Free from his prison, Malefor "rewards" his Ape army by stripping them of their flesh and forcing them to live in the shadows. Creating a new army of Grublins from the earth, Malefor has them ravage the surface, killing all within their path. Fond of crushing the hope of his enemies, Malefor has his armies retreat from the Siege of Warfang, only to allow the Golem the opportunity to wreak destruction upon the city. Intending on bringing about "The Great Cleansing", Malefor resurrects The Destroyer and attempts to use it to bathe the world in a blazing inferno and extinguish all that lives. When Spyro and Cynder reach his lair, Malefor brainwashes Cynder to try and kill Spyro, mocking him during the attack of the impending apocalypse.

Unlike Gaul's one listed, Malefor actually corrupts Cynder during his Breaking Speech and has her attack Spyro while he's casually talking about the end of the world.

• The Eternal Night: Gaul is the leader of the Apes who seeks to release Malefor from his prison. Prior to the story, Gaul personally led the raid on the Dragon Temple, destroying every Dragon Egg there. Taking Cynder's Egg back to his lair, Gaul uses Malefor's magic to warp the young Cynder into an instrument of war, keeping her aware of her actions, and through her had countless innocents enslaved or slaughtered. In the second game, Gaul has his followers siege the Dragon Temple again purely to kill Spyro. Later in the game, Gaul commits an attack on the Skavenger's ship, leaving it to burn with its inhabitants inside to kidnap Cynder, mocking her impending demise at Malefor's hand. Before the final battle, Gaul drains Spyro of his magic for an easier kill. Despite having a deep hatred for dragons, Gaul committed many atrocities under Malefor's command purely to obtain more power.

The Spyro rewrite look good to me

Spyro rewrites.

I assume everyone's still bad enough?

Here's the comparing between the first 7 .

And me and Ravok explained why the Golem and Japan!Ripto are fine.

Alright, cool.

Please don't forget the YMMV pages.

YMMV pages are updated, I'll just add them to the sandbox now.

Cool. Looks like all we need is an image, which I think we've nearly got, and then I can create the page and finish it up when I do the swaps.

Just watched a ton of The Flight Attendant (including all of Feliks' episodes). Feliks definitely counts, haven't got to Dot Karlson yet but will. As for the original writeup:

• Feliks, who was said to have killed several cats in his childhood, is an assassin working for Lionfish. Having killed countless people on their behalf, women and children included, Felix would murder Alex Sokolov, before stalking his one-night stand, Cassandra "Cassie" Bowden, back to New York, entering her life as Buckley Ware and killing off several more people Cassie comes into contact with, such as a woman whom Feliks throws off a building, an FBI agent whose throat Feliks slashes, and nearly killing Max by running him over with a car. Feliks would then attempt to kill Miranda and Cassie before tracking the latter down in Rome to strangle her there, and would manipulate a woman to kill Cassie for him while he's still in prison.

Most of its fine, but I just reordered some stuff and added in the part where he stabs both Miranda and Enrico:

• Feliks is an assassin working for Lionfish, who gutted and hung several cats in his childhood, horrifying everyone at his boys home. Having killed countless people on Lionfish's behalf, women and children included, Felix would murder Alex Sokolov, before stalking his one-night stand, Cassandra "Cassie" Bowden, back to New York, entering her life as Buckley Ware and killing off several more people Cassie comes into contact with, such as a woman whom Feliks throws off a building, an FBI agent whose throat Feliks slashes, and nearly killing Max by running him over with a car. Feliks would then attempt to kill Miranda and Cassie before tracking the latter down in Rome to strangle her there before stabbing both Miranda and Enrico, and would manipulate a woman to kill Cassie for him while he's still in prison.

Edited by InfernalKetchup on Jan 27th 2024 at 3:15:43 PM

Feliks rewrite

Edit: That seems like a crime worth mentioning in Tarkin's write-up

Edited by jlvs200s on Jan 28th 2024 at 11:24:00 AM

I dig the Feliks rewrite!

Btw, a recent Star Wars comic reveals that as a boy, Tarkin and his little brother Gideon went on a hunt; when Gideon fell into a ravine and was hurt, Tarkin deliberately abandoned him there to be eaten alive by the local wildlife even as Gideon cried for his brother's help, Tarkin later brushing it off to his father as an "accident" while hiding a cruel smirk. Do we think that warrants at least a small mention in his entry? I think it's a pretty nasty reveal, even for Tarkin.

to Feliks.

Yeah I'd say that should be included. Even for everything else he's done, to do it as a child is pretty nasty.

For including that.

I say include it.

• Spyro the Dragon
• Michiko & Hatchin: Shinsuke Saci Rodriguez is Satoshi Batista's sadistic right-hand man in the Monstro Preto gang. Wiping out a city with Satoshi, upon finding their main target, Shinsuke suggests slowly drowning the man in a bucket. Sent to deal with a gangster posing as Satoshi, Shinsuke makes a cruel game out of the job, picking off the gangster's men with snipers. Betraying Satoshi, Shinsuke later forces an underling to kill himself off railing a train in an attempt to murder his former boss and claim Monstro.
• Mass Effect: Invasion: Colonel Raymond Ashe is a Cerberus agent who proves to be far worse than his superior General Petrovsky. Tasked by the Illusive Man to take over Omega, Ashe lets himself be captured just so he can more easily kill Aria's loyalists and stage an invasion, slaughtering swathes of Omega's people while deriding them as "filthy aliens". Preferring to solve any of his problems by killing people and sending his soldiers to die in droves, Ashe reveals his ultimate plan to conquer Omega is by unleashing a Reaper Adjutant outbreak. When a horrified Petrovsky points out this endangers the millions of people aboard Omega, including Cerberus's own soldiers, Ashe brushes it off as "acceptable losses" before trying to kill Petrovksy for his "weakness".
• Baahubali duology:
  • Bijjaladeva ^{Other Appearances} Before the Beginning trilogy, by Anand Neelakantan; The Lost Legends is the self-centered older son of Mahishmati's Emperor Somadeva. Abusing his subjects, Bijjaladeva regularly conducts torture and casually tries to rape a slave girl, leading to her suicide. His frequent bouts of cruelty making Somadeva pass him up for the throne, when his father and brother die, Bijjaladeva schemes to ensure his own son Bhallaladeva is named Emperor to rule as he desires. Feeding his son's hate, when Bijjaladeva's nephew Amandera Baahubali is made Crown Prince he frames Baahubali as a traitor to be exiled, later having him killed and wiping out his wife's kingdom. As advisor under Bhallaladeva, rebels are whipped to death and citizens are robbed to fund an ostentatious golden statue, and when it nearly falls while being erected, Bijjaladeva states he hopes the "sacrifice" of the hundreds stuck beneath will keep it intact.
  • The Beginning: Inkoshi is a chief of the Kaalakeya tribe known for murdering all the men and raping all the women in settlements he captures. Setting his sights on Mahishmati, Inkoshi later meets with Queen Mother Sivagami Devi, and swears to murder both of her prince sons before taking her as his personal Sex Slave. When Sivagami's sons launch a counterattack on his camp, Inkoshi has his men use captive Mahishmati citizens—including children—as Human Shields.
• The Dark and the Wicked: The Devil is the evil presence haunting the Straker farm, who has targeted the family seemingly just for fun in what is routine behavior for him. Tormenting them all with regular nightmares and visions of horrible suffering, the Devil drives the mother to mutilate her own hand and kill herself. Next targeting the siblings Louise and Michael, the Devil slaughters their entire population of goats and uses the form of their bloody mother to terrorize them. Driving multiple family friends insane and forcing them to maim and kill themselves, the Devil tricks Michael into killing himself by showing a vision of his dead wife and children, only to reveal to him in his dying moments that they are still alive and have found his dying body, set up by the Devil to traumatize them. The Devil then kills Louise's sickly father and claims her too, finalizing his annihilation of the Strakers.
• Death Rider in the House of Vampires (2021): Count Holiday is the head of Vampire Sanctuary, a safe haven for ravenous vampires to indulge in their bloodlust at the cost of one virgin. Ruling his sanctuary as a tyrant who imposes harsh punishments for those who break his rules, Holiday grants vampires horrific executions should he deem them traitors, even keeping five of their corpses in his office as a warning. Using the Death Rider to purge those in his Sanctuary he deems undesirable, Holiday reveals to Rider that he keeps three vampire trophy brides by his side, one of whom being Rider's sister, who Holiday sends out to murder her brother.
• The Devil's Mirror: The Jiuxian Witch is the leader of the Bloody Ghouls Clan who earned her reputation by having entire clans massacred as proof of her dominance, indoctrinating followers by making them consume Corpse Worm Pills which destroys their internal organs and melts their faces, forcing former heroes to kill and slaughter in her service in exchange for temporary antidotes. Seeking the Wind and Thunder Mirror to obtain passage into an Ancient Tomb housing an immortal herb, the Witch had members of the Wen family massacred to obtain one of the mirrors, capturing the hero Wen Jianfeng and forces him to watch as she tortures his friends to death.
• Holy Flame of the Martial World: The Bloodsucking Sect Chief, despite being the film's first of many villains, turns out far worse than any subsequent antagonists. Leading the Blood Sect and embracing virgin sacrifices regularly, the Sect Chief have his underlings abduct numerous young women and kill anyone who got in their way, to have them sacrificed in order to awaken an ancient demon for the Chief to gain access to its powers, gloating maniacally as his servants carve up an abducted captive.
• Iron Monkey 2: Jade Faced Tiger, posing as an advisor to the Russian Embassey in Shanghai, secretly runs a Protection Racket extorting money from the locals. Leading a Carnival of Killers, Tiger orders his henchmen to terrorize civilian populations, with civilians massacred indiscriminately when they're unable to pay up, even telling his gunslingers to "test out" a shipment of high-caliber pistols in a crowded city street. When Jin's blind, elderly father is revealed to be affiliated with Iron Monkey, Tiger had him arrested and put through torture.
• The Shaolin Temple (1976): Master Monk Hui-xian and Ma Fu-yi, introduced as a particularly nasty senior monk and an arrogant kung-fu student, turn out to be traitors working for the Manchurian court. Working in tandem to overthrow the Shaolin Temple, the traitors attempt killing the heroes in sparring accidents before sabotaging their training with near-lethal results. Arranging for an invasion, Hui-xian and Ma Fu-yi stealthily kill the resistance forces guarding the temple gates before allowing the Manchurian army to enter, with Hui-xian poisoning the senior monks and the two overseeing the temple's takeover, with hundreds of monks, trainees, and resistance members alike killed in the subsequent massacre, even helping the Manchurian army in hunting down their former friends.
• [[Tower of London (1962): Sir Richard Radcliffe is the smug supporter of Richard III who is beholden to none of his master's humanizing traits. After Richard's nephews are declared heirs to the throne of England, Radcliffe and Richard attempt to force Mistress Shore to cast doubt on the legitimacy of their births. When she refuses, Radcliffe brutally whips her before he and Richard torture her to death. When Lady Stanley attempts to escape with the princes, Radcliffe murders her driver and threatens her life to force her father's fealty to Richard. Radcliffe and Richard later force an archbishop to hand over the prince who escaped, by threatening to attack Westminster Abbey. After the prince is returned. Richard and Radcliffe smother the children to death to ensure Richard's rise to the throne. When Radcliffe's trusted ally Lord Buckingham tries to convince him to betray Richard, Radcliffe instead sells him out and holds him in place while Richard has a rat eat his face.
• Tyranno's Claw: The Dark Tribe Shaman is the ruthless Chieftain of the Dark Tribe who worships a Tyranosaurus Rex which he offers sacrifices to on a regular basis. Organizing raids and massacres across various tribes to kidnap captives, when one of his sacrifices escaped thanks to a defected Dark Tribe warrior, the Shaman orders other nearby settlements wiped out, even beating a restrained woman prisoner to death in a fit of anger and later having a child incinerated alive to draw the heroes out of hiding.
• "Redemption": Arthur Blessard is an IRS employee who uses his position to gain access to women for his depraved tastes. Starting in 1983, Blessard raped, tortured, and strangled 7 women, even biting chunks of flesh off his victims, earning himself the moniker the "SoHo Strangler." Blessard framed a mentally challenged man named Roger Berry for the murders, getting Berry put away for 18 years while Blessard claimed 12 more victims across the country, progressing to slitting his victims' throats. When Berry was released, Blessard returned to New York and claimed two more victims, hoping to pin them on Berry once more while he is free to continue killing.
• Baron Vladimir Harkonnen is a monstrous figure whose only concern is his own advancement and the glory of House Harkonnen. A hedonistic pedophile, the Baron keeps dozens of young boys to use as sex slaves. Initially lower than the Noble Atreides household, Harkonnen engineers its downfall and Duke Leto's death by using Dr. Yueh's wife to force him to betray House Atreides, only to reveal that she was already dead before having Yueh killed. When Leto's wife and children flee to the desert world of Arrakis, Harkonnen assists in trying to crush the Rebellion in an essential genocide of the Fremen people. Revealing his two nephews, brutish Rabban and intelligent, reserved Feyd-Rautha, Harkonnen plans to assign Rabban to brutalize the Fremen and then later have him removed by Feyd to cultivate the Fremen's goodwill with him. When Feyd tries to assassinate Harkonnen, the latter, in amusement, forces him to kill every woman in the pleasure quarter, chiding him "there will always be more women, Feyd." Even from beyond the grave, Harkonnen still manages to bring about even more suffering by possessing and manipulating his granddaughter Alia in an attempt to get revenge, eventually culminating in Alia's suicide.
• The Flight Attendant: Feliks, aka Buckley Ware, is an assassin working for Lionfish, who gutted and hung several cats in his childhood, horrifying everyone at his boys home. Having killed countless people on Lionfish's behalf, women and children included, Feliks would murder Alex Sokolov, before stalking his one-night stand, Cassandra "Cassie" Bowden, back to New York, entering her life as Buckley Ware, and killing several other people Cassie comes into contact with, such as a woman whom Feliks throws off a building, an FBI agent whose throat Feliks slashes, and nearly killing Max by running him over with a car. Feliks would then attempt to kill Miranda and Cassie before tracking the latter down in Rome to strangle her there before stabbing both Miranda and Enrico, and would manipulate a woman to kill Cassie for him while he's still in prison.
• "Depraved Heart": Mike Personick uses his position at US Immigration and Customs Enforcement to manipulate female immigrants into becoming his surrogates. Personick forces these women to live in poor conditions and suffer immense pain carrying his client's babies, before discarding them after they give birth. His callousness as well as his horrific treatment drive three women to suicide, to Personick's complete apathy, and he would have killed more women by this method if Cal Lightman had not rescued the captive women. When confronted by his crimes, Personick refuses to accept any responsibility, callously blaming his victims for the predicament he placed them in.
• "Sacrifice": Nabil Kahn is a terrorist who creates makeshift bombs before planting them inside the belongings of those who attend his mosque, having them unknowingly distribute his bombs to high populated areas throughout Washington, D.C. before detonating them. Nabil has detonated two bombs in a bus and mall, already killing a total of 40 people—including his own cousin, Rasheed—and had five more bombs ready to be detonated, planning to kill hundreds more.
• Mother Russia Bleeds: The Premier of the Soviet Union is the linchpin of Russia's corruption. Funding a laboratory where Nekro is tested on many subjects, including animals, the Premier orders the abduction of numerous people, including the player character(s), from a Romani camp to serve as lab rats for the odious drug he allows to spread through the country, which results in an unhealthy and potentially lethal addiction to the substance. As the citizenry starts to revolt against his regime, the Premier sends his army to violently crush their protests, instructing troops to march on the capital and massacre all dissenters on such a scale that it is referred to as "genocide". When confronted, the Premier tries to pin blame on the Bratva he facilitated, while showing a cavalier lack of remorse toward the damage done to his people, merely using the conversation to buy time so his security team can kill the player(s) before trying to escape any responsibility or consequence for his venality.
• my eyes deceive (link): The protagonist's "Papa" turns out to be the true monster of the story. Keeping the protagonist sheltered her entire life, Papa routinely drugged and raped her through the years, lying to her about monsters outside to keep her in the bunker. In the Bad Ending, Papa continues to drug and rape his daughter until she becomes pregnant.
• Pallad City Stories' "Shot in the Dark": Johnny Edge is a hedonistic gangster known as "the most depraved man in Pallad City". Once a struggling street thug, Edge would later become one of the top suppliers of the pleasure drug Euphoria. Using his newfound wealth to indulge in his own sadism, Edge lures women to his penthouse and turns them into Euphoria-addicted sex slaves, uncaring when one of them dies from Euphoria overdose. Edge also collects body parts from his slaves and bodyguards who he thinks might betray him, displaying them as twisted trophies for all to see.
• Dan Dare: Pilot of the Future: The Mekon, the tyrannical ruler of the Treens from the north of Venus, aims to conquer the universe. Under the Mekon's rule, the Treens wage war on the peaceful Therons, with Treen children experimented on to create the perfect soldiers, one of whom is his bodyguard Sondar. When a human mission on Venus is intercepted by his forces, the Mekon plots to use technology from their ship to destroy the Therons and invade Earth. When Dan Dare punches him, the Mekon attempts to painfully execute him, as well as Sondar for his slow reaction. The Mekon then tries to enslave both the Therons and Earth: Methods include include using an ancient superweapon; trying to starve the Therons; and weaponizing a disease, almost destroying the afflicted village in the process. When the Mekon's campaign to Jupiter ends with him destroying a peaceful colony and being pursued by more powerful enemies, he manipulates his way into Space Fleet Command and tries to launch nuclear warheads against Jupiter. After his mining of the north of Venus leaves it uninhabitable, the Mekon joins forces with the treacherous Earth senator to fake his death and frame Dan for a war crime so Earth will lower its defences, allowing his fleet to attack Earth—reducing entire cities to rubble. When forced to call off the invasion, the Mekon sends a satellite crashing into Earth, gloating that the entire planet would be destroyed.
• "Fire": Cecil L'Ively is a deeply sadistic Serial Killer who has the power to ignite things using his mind. Using these powers, Cecil targets various wealthy women by sending them love letters and stalking them. He then burns them alive and targets the rest of their family. After failing to murder Sir Malcolm Marsden, Cecil follows him and his family to the States, posing as a caretaker named Bob who he actually murdered sometime before. Meanwhile, Cecil poisons and murders the family chauffeur with a flame accelerant before going to a crowded bar and burning the place to the ground while watching the fire with a smile on his face. Cecil then drives the Marsden family to a party in Boston, in which he sets ablaze the building's 14th floor to stage a rescue of the children as a publicity stunt. Later that evening, Cecil attempts to finally burn and kill the entire Marsden family and agents Mulder, Scully, and Greene, including locking the children in a separate room to burn to death.

Cut Tsumugi, Felix rewrites, and Tarkin expansions.

Mr-ex777:The three villains, Otto, Clank and Doctor Nefarious, are in their own universes. Nefarious is from the reboot, while the games Otto and Clank are from are non-canon. And the villains in the canons have different scales of their catastrophic plans. Emperor Nefarious is trying to destroy the entire universe, Master Loki is trying to tear apart the entire universe, Drake and Tachyon are destroying planets and Tachyon is also committing genocide, Courtney helps with a very large-scale genocide, and Vox forces them to fight to the death and tries to destroy their own station. They all have their own crimes too, so all of them are okay.

Obligatory request for a level-headed discussion you can choose to ignore since I'm not gonna watch how it plays out lol but after thinking and discussing I've got a cut to suggest.

From Zeta Gundam:

• Yazan Gable is a warmonger who goes so far to admit that he joined the Titans' military so he could legally kill members of the Anti-Earth Union Group (AEUG). He has no interest in the rules of warfare, murders solely because he is good at it, and gladly participates in the Grenada Colony Drop, knowing it would have killed thousands of civilians and seeing it as an opportunity to shoot down anyone who tries to defend Grenada. When a superior officer tries to stop a pointless battle, Yazan takes this as a hindrance to his bloodlust and arranges for the officer to die at the hands of an AEUG pilot. When Paptimus Scirocco betrays the Titan leadership, Yazan does so as well, out of his belief in fighting for the strongest military power. In the finale, Yazan leaves his mark on the show's tragic take on war when he goes on a savage killing spree, leaving numerous major heroic characters dead and even murdering some of his own allies. With a series of equally monstrous villains in the franchise influenced by him, Yazan is a blight upon his world, more of a feral predator than a man.

He's a meme, he's a template for future monsters and bad translations pump him up to be even worse but the fact of the matter is Yazan is largely a Sociopathic Soldier concerned with being a dick on the battlefield. I'm not going to act like he should be a one-to-one to Bask since they're different types of villains but the latter's war crimes and use of gas on colonies is important because largely Yazan just talks tough and fucks up enemy fighters.

The guy certainly inspired future monsters but he's still in the UC and the heinous standard needs to be kept in mind. The proceeding series—which literally starts right after Zeta ends, introduces an expy in Rakan who's far worse attacking civilians than Yazan ever was, personally racking up a huge bodycount of innocents and making a point of destroying means to escape. By contrast Yazan "takes part" in the Grenada attack but he's still just another fighter in it... he didn't plan it out, we're not giving him points like he directed the whole thing. To me he's just outdone by the next even if he's supposed to inspire the "low level bastard" for the franchise, the series are too close in release for me to try and say he's some kind of Ur-Example for this archetype. I really can't justify keeping him.

Absolutely agree, not to mention it seems that he is unhappy about Ramsus (one of his wingman) being killed in ZZ flat out tell his new wingman Gemon to not die so cut Yazan

I'm personally a weak "Keep" on Yazan. Ignoring his status as the Fountain of Expies for every future Sociopathic Soldier that the franchise had to offer, Zeta pretty much establishes him as one of, if not the most significant henchman in service of the Titans, with his Ace Pilot skills providing them near and certain victories many times over the course of the show. That being said, I'm glad we are finally discussing him!

I'll just leave it at that's something I'd be more inclined to take towards his rap sheet if he was a mass murderer of noncombatants. As is, Yazan is just quite sadistic while taking down enemy fighters. Even his "full of women and children" line referring to the AEUG is more dickish than anything. He will fire upon civilians but Grenada is his one real standout act and I can't see his status as an Ace Pilot for the Titans as indicating more than he's an effective fighter, not that he goes off the rails to kill innocents like I expect for a CM in the UC.

I can be fine with Yazan going.

Cut Yazan.

I'll lean cut on Yazan with it all laid out, great work

Cut Yazan. And since we're talking about Zeta, why was Paptimus Scirocco never a CM?

Cut Yazan