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Main The Chick Discussion
I'd like to discuss this first before posting it: Is Dr. Will Zimmerman of Sanctuary - The Chick?
I understand that the caption says Leia isn't the most perfect example—but more than that, she's a bad example. She is clearly able to handle herself, and her Five Man Band is less obvious than some better examples. Yes, she gets kidnapped—but so does Han Solo. She's not particularly caring or most obviously the heart...C-3PO is a better example of that.
I think perhaps we should choose a better example from the Five Man Band page. The caption should give a quick idea of what to expect on the page—Leia is obviously a bad example because, yeah, she's a Chick, but not a quintessential The Chick.
EDIT: I forget to add—I understand that the other Five Man Band page has Luke, Han, Chewie, and R2 as their pictures, but I don't think that's necessary either. They're just not the best examples. I don't think that readers are so stupid that people from different Five Man Bands will confuse them. I just hesitate at the Star Wars examples because they don't form an obvious team as some others do...Chewie is only seen in relation to Han as his Lancer, R2 doesn't really behave as The Smart Guy, and they never really act as a coherent group.
The folderising is messed up. Please add Folder-ending tags over the subsection headings to fix it.
Why is the page locked?
Also, Scarlett from the G.I. Joe comic was not "The Chick" in the least bit. In fact, none of the Joe Ladies were. So kindly take that one off.
Is there a reason why there's two of each folder? Did there used to be two types or something?
...can we unlock this topic now? And I'd like to pull Tsunade and Hinata out of it as an example, both have shown they're action girls.
Wanted to ad a note re: Left 4 Dead. Louis and Rochelle (the Chicks for their respective survivor groups) were also intended to be The Everyman by the L 4 D development team. In both cases, they were too blank (to the point that Ro is a bit of a Scrappy. Both of them have been given some love since The Passing and The Sacrifice, respectively.
- Rochele: (To Ellis) You'll be back with her soon enough... Also, she's a car, and this is creepy.
Still have major issues with Leia being the image for the Chick, even with a qualifying description. She is a subverted example, but should not be the page image, as she fits a grand total of about 10% of all the descriptors of the Chick trope listed in the trope description section. Speaking of Chick descriptors, there are too many of them, making this trope too narrow and causing way too many cases of Square Peg Round Trope (Leia and the above examples included). Another vote for unlocking.
I'd like to propose a pretty good Chick from the land of Webcomics: Credenza of Archipelago. She packs a decent punch, but is still thoroughly outclassed by pretty much everyone else in the group, as well as literally all the major antagonists. Her main role is collecting and motivating more powerful heroes. While I'm at it, I may as well Nth the motion to unlock the topic...
Here's a question; I'm working on a co-ed sentai story that has two female leads, along with three male characters as the main cast. There's two characters who both have traits associated with The Chick:
- One is the Team Mom, the girly-girl, and a Yamato Nadeshiko, but also very bright, a Badass Bookworm, and a frighteningly effective Paper Master.
- The other is The Runt At The End, not a real talker, The Bumblebee, and he's also a Fragile Speedster with wind and sound powers.
So why is the Topic locked?
- If the only thing we fear is Description Vandals, then just split the page by medium, transfer the examples, and then relock the description.
- If Example EditWars are part of the problem, then an Example Removal should be in order. Whether full or partial (drawing the line at Pre-90's vs the Turn Of The Millennium) would be up to the mods.
Since this page is locked, can someone remove Scarlett and G.I. Joe from the comics section of the article? There's nothing about the character that fits the description of The Chick - other than actually being a lone female, which isn't what this trope is about.
You have go to the Edit request for a locked page thread
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May be an example, but there's no information related to the trope. A discussion of combat abilities (for different versions of the character) is tangential.
Comic Book
- Angel in the original X-Men line-up, mostly because his powers were the least combat-effective. (Picking people up and dropping them would have been pretty effective, but this was the 1960s, follow-the-Comics-Code, good guys don't kill, ever team.) Things changed later, as the prohibition on killing relaxed and he gained some offensive powers (notably in his 1980s Archangel persona).
Okay, in the Playing With section, it seems to take the attitude that The Chick is an Always Female girly-girl who can't fight. If she's an Action Girl, or can actually manage herself in a given situation, then she instantly doesn't count.
I guess this trope is kind of hazy with criteria, since a few examples exist of The Chick being male in a Five Man Band consisting of at least two females. Then there are examples of The Chick being an Action Girl or a tomboy.
Maybe since Tropes Are Flexible, not every case is going to be an Always Female Distressed Damsel. It could also be said that just because a character is The Smart Guy doesn't mean they have to get the highest academic grades, but they can still fulfill this trope by way of being the most logical or savvy member of the group.
There needs to be a a reminder reminding people that this trope is not necessarily a diss and attempt to portray said character as useless or The Load.
It's emotional support, not The Smurfette Principle, though, despite what's in the last paragraph of the description. The Five Man Band can have more than one female, and the Action Girl who kicks ass with the group would be another member.
We've got a YKTTW going for a different fifth member of Five Man Band, of which The Chick would be a subtrope. Many Five Man Bands do not have any female members, and many others do not have a female who fits as The Chick, so the new fifth role could solve that problem. It would mean that The Chick is not a core role, although it could be used as an auxiliary role in bands where the new fifth is not already The Chick.
From the main page to The Hero:
- "Usually, this role will not be filled by a woman unless all the other roles are already women (as is often the case in anime). If so, there might not be a Chick in the group (although there might be The One Guy or the Non Action Guy), and the prize for "most feminine" will go to The Hero or The Smart Guy."