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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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Complete Monster Cleanup Thread

Please see the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List before suggesting any new entries for this trope.

IMPORTANT: To avoid a holler to the mods, please see here for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.

When voting, you must specify the candidate(s). No blanket votes (i.e. "[tup] to everyone I missed").

No plagiarism: It's fair to source things, but an effortpost must be your own work and not lifted wholesale from another source.

We don't care what other sites think about a character being a Complete Monster. We judge this trope by our own criteria. Repeatedly attempting to bring up other sites will earn a suspension.

What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
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#91802: Aug 6th 2017 at 5:29:43 AM

What would guys say is the best examples of a CM who jumped the slippery slope? Mine would have to be Well-Intentioned Extremist turned Ax-Crazy sociopath, Pharma.

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#91804: Aug 6th 2017 at 8:55:44 AM

Light in both the manga and film series.

ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#91805: Aug 6th 2017 at 10:23:27 AM

  • The Lost Boys: The Lost Girl, by Tim Seeley et al.: In this comic, taking place shortly after the first film, Agnes Underwood is a seemingly-sweet old lady in Santa Carla, but is in fact the head vampire behind the Blood Belles and the secret mastermind of their operations. Agnes recruits the Blood Bells by preying on the needs of lost and lonely girls before turning them into vampires. With Agnes operating behind the scenes, the Blood Belles kill off the hunters of Santa Carla, including Grandpa Emerson, abduct and turn multiple children, and plot to awaken ancient vampires (Tlahuelpuchi) to conquer the world and bring about the age of vampires. Agnes also had Star placed in Santa Carla to infiltrate the Lost Boys to make a power play of her own. What makes Agnes worse is that all these things are a mere means to a petty and selfish end: for centuries Agnes sought the pure blood of the mother vampires to restore her youth. Agnes also takes Lucy Emerson and Laddie hostage under the threat of death, as well as kills and turns the residents and orderlies as a local retirement home. Besides having no loyalty to the Tlahuelpuchi, Agnes dismisses the deaths of the Blood Belles by simply saying she can make more, and tries to force Star to test the pure blood to see if it will kill her or make her lose her humanity, calling it a win-win scenario.
  • Hack-O-Lantern: Grandpa Drindle is a Satanic cult leader seeking to turn his grandson Tommy to the Dark Side. When Tommy was a boy, Grandpa killed Tommy's father for trying to nip the corruption in the bud, and began a 13-year plan to act as The Corrupter to the lad, who is his Child by Rape of his own daughter. On the night of the final ceremony to abduct Tom into the cult, Grandpa goes on a killing spree to ensure that nobody gets in the way of his plan, slaying one victim in a mass grave of the cult's previous human sacrifices. When Tommy quits the cult after Gramps tries to make him kill his sister, he goes to kill both siblings. He is mortally wounded in the ensuing final battle, but manages to magically corrupt his other grandson before he dies.
  • Stormbreaker: Darius Sayle plots to use his Stormbreaker computers to release a deadly virus to kill millions of schoolchildren all over Britain, in retaliation for being bullied at school as a child for being a foreigner. When he discovers that security guard Ian Rider is actually a spy sent to find out about his plan, he has him killed by Yassen Gregorovich, and when Ian's nephew Alex is caught as well, Darius has him thrown into his aquarium tank to be killed by his pet man o' war. When the control to activate the Stormbreakers at the launch party is destroyed, he tries to activate them himself with an override, and tries to kill Alex and his school crush Sabina Pleasure when they try to stop him.
  • Uncle Sam: "Uncle" Sam Harper is an undead Sociopathic Soldier who murders anyone he deems even remotely unpatriotic. In his early years, he repeatedly molested his younger sister, Sally, and while he was in high school, he was an intimidating presence to everyone around him. When a girl named Louise was attracted to his bad boy image, the two started dating and eventually married, only for him to beat her frequently, leaving her living in fear of him. Some time later, Sam enlisted in The Gulf War as a mercenary door gunner and was shot down by friendly fire. A group of soldiers found him dying in the desert, and he killed two of them before succumbing to his wounds. When he returns to life, Sam starts killing the unpatriotic in gruesome ways, including live burial, flagpole lynching, frying a woman's face, and turning a corrupt Congressman into a human fireworks display. His nephew, Jody, lures him outside to be destroyed for good, and Sam was ready to ensure he dies with him. A sadistic, deranged psychopath from the start, Sam filled his nephew's head with lies about "the American way" that he didn't even believe in and only used his alleged Patriotic Fervor as an excuse to exercise his violent urges.
  • The Facts of Life and Death, by Belinda Bauer: John Trick is a misogynistic Serial Killer who terrorizes the city of Limeburn as the ET Killer. His hatred of women beginning when his mother spent too much time dating men who could provide for them, the Killer grew to view her as nothing but a filthy whore, a mindset he then attributed to all women. Once losing his job, he begins killing women to make himself feel powerful simply because he's too lazy to find another job, meaning his wife Alison is the provider for his family, which makes him feel weak. The killer's method of murder is particularly vicious, as he forces the women he targets to strip then call their mothers on video chat, who he then forces to watch as he suffocates their daughters, cackling in glee at their pain. Even in his seemingly kind persona as ten-year-old Ruby's father, he is drilling his misogynistic mindset into the girl, causing her to despise women and even herself when she begins puberty. In the end, he flies into a rage when he discovers Ruby is not his biological daughter, and attempts to torture and kill her in front of Alison, murder Alison herself, then move on to her parents and continue his spree, with him practicing for Ruby's death by attempting to kill an infant in front of its mother.
  • Friday the 13th: The Jason Strain, by Christa Faust: Caleb Carson is a Corrupt Corporate Executive whose pride and joy is Xtreme Elimination 2, a reality show in which Condemned Contestants are pitted against each other and "special guest" Jason Voorhees in the jungles of South America. After Jason is kidnapped from the "set" and unintentionally given the ability to spread a zombie plague by a group of scientists, Carson becomes psychotically obsessed with salvaging his series, going as far as having his mercenaries massacre the facility that had developed a cure for the virus so that he can abduct Jason and the other remaining competitors from it and start over in America, not caring that Jason was still highly contagious and could potentially end all life on the planet if not given the vaccine. Carson afterward reveals that he had framed "star contestant" Butch Malone for the double homicide that landed him on death row, knowing that the only way he could get Malone to agree to compete on Xtreme Elimination 2 was by ruining his life and leaving him with no other option, with the worst part being that Butch never had a chance of winning anyway and was set up from the start to die a "dramatic" death in the final round of the game.
  • Scourge, by Gail Z. Martin: In the first of the Darkhurst series, Lord Mayor Ellor Machison is a participant in a conspiracy to hold the "Balance" for his own benefit. Unleashing monsters on his own city that kill countless innocents before having the monsters purged, Machison ruthless hunts down those who hunt monsters without his permission, personally torturing them to death or madness. Machison is also a sexual sadist, routinely raping women and murdering them in bed. In order to get an edge over his rival Merchant Princes, Machison has one killed, as well as his youngest daughter, to send a message to the others. When he realizes the ghosts of his victims want revenge on him, Machison has a Blood Witch in his service sacrifice people to guard him with magic, completely guilt-free of the many lives he's destroyed for his own power.
  • Second Apocalypse: Iskiak, better known by the name of "Aurang", prince of the Inchoroi and bad even by their standards, was one of the final Inchoroi after their wars with the inhuman Cûnoroi, or "Nonmen". Desiring to escape his own damnation, Aurang participated in the annihilation of entire worlds before the Inchoroi arrived on Earwa. At the end of the war with the Nonmen, Aurang assisted in giving them immortality, but also introduced a plague to kill every female of their species, leaving the Nonmen to look forward to nothing but eventual madness and extinction. Later forming the Consult, Aurang initiates the Apocalypse by unleashing the No-God. As the Horde-General of the Consult, Aurang takes the field, committing countless atrocities and massacring entire cities with his and his people's own creations the Sranc, beings so filled with lust and rage they can only interact with other species by killing and raping them to death. Aurang is also a Serial Rapist, boasting of this to Kellhus, and manipulates the Holy War to help bring about the deaths of all but a fraction of beings on Earwa to not only keep himself from hellfire, but to continue the monstrosity that damned him to begin with.
  • iZombie: Vaughn Du Clark, the Big Bad of season 2, was indirectly responsible for the zombie outbreak in the series due to the chemicals in his company's energy drink. When word gets out that his drink, Max Rager, has deadly side effects, he covers this up, only caring about the implications it would have on his company's profits. Upon finding out that his drink causes people to turn into zombies, Vaughn orders Major to hunt down and kill all known zombies to keep matters quiet, and threaten to kill his Love Interest, Liv, if Major doesn't comply. Unable to handle criticism, Vaughn has people who give negative feedback on his product, even those who make obscure internet comments, hunted down and killed. At first, it seems that that Vaughn's daughter, Rita, is his Morality Pet, but when a zombie in his custody broke free, he left Rita for dead, only for her to become a zombie too, forcing her to remain detained in his company's basement laboratory afterwards. During the season finale, Vaughn finds out that Major was only hiding the zombies he ordered dead and responds by locating the warehouse they are hidden in and takes them to Max Rager labs to test cure prototypes on them, all of which fail and turn the zombies feral. When the heroes infiltrate his lab, Vaughn unleashes the feral zombies on them and delights that one of them turns out to be Liv's boyfriend, Drake, who she's forced to kill as he watches it all play out. When his feral zombies fail him, Vaughn decides to unleash a poisonous gas on them, the remaining sapient zombies, and even Rita, after claiming to be remorseful for letting her get zombified.
  • Martial Law: Cliff Eagleton, from "Honor Among Strangers", is a white supremacist encountered by Sammo Law and Cordell Walker Having murdered a Texas Ranger, Eagleton sets up shop in Los Angeles where he proceeds to attempt to hijack a set of stinger missiles to bomb LA in order to remove "foreign" businesses. After being thwarted, he returns to Texas in part 2 of this crossover, Walker, Texas Ranger's season 8 episode "The Day of Cleansing" to initiate "The Cleansing", taking a group of trucks loaded with enough explosives to make the Oklahoma City bombing look tame, before driving them to foreign business centers and black churches, before detonating them all over the city in order to subjugate minorities and show them their "proper" place.
  • Walker, Texas Ranger: Even in a show that did not believe in giving villains subtlety, a few managed to stand out:
    • Victor LaRue, who first appears in season 3's "Cowboy," is a lunatic and dishonorable discharge who kidnaps and kills others seemingly at random (including a helicopter pilot taken captive, plus a few miscellaneous excessive force military kills) When LaRue captured Alexander Cahill amongst other hostages, he attempted to rape her. In his second appearance, season 4's "The Return of LaRue," he is released from prison and begins stalking Alex to drive her insane and knocks out two people guarding him and leaves them to burn to death. He attempts to rape Alex again before he is arrested. In his third and final episode, season 5's "Trial of LaRue," he feigns insanity while bragging that he's actually killed twelve people when eleven are on record and implies it may have been his mom ("God, I loved Mommy.") Then, he dives under the defendant's table and tricks his bailiff to follow him underneat. Using his military training, he gets a gun at his trial and murders two guards, a third one that tries to barge in unannounced, his own lawyer, the judge and the bailiff, taking the courtroom hostage. While waiting for Walker to arrive, he presides over the court as a "judge." In his insane whims, he orders a divorced couple to get back together for their child, but when the child contradicts LaRue, he decides to "reopen" the hearing, planning to murder the kid. LaRue kills his other ally when the man is disgusted by this. Finally, he attempts to rape Alex for the third time before Walker busts in and guns him down. And even then Alex is so traumatized that she hallucinates one more time that the bastard is still after him in death.
    • Cliff Eagleton, from the Martial Law episode "Honor Among Strangers", is a white supremacist encountered by Sammo Law and Cordell Walker Having murdered a Texas Ranger, Eagleton sets up shop in Los Angeles where he proceeds to attempt to hijack a set of stinger missiles to bomb LA in order to remove "foreign" businesses. After being thwarted, he returns to Texas in part 2 of this crossover, Walker's season 8 episode "The Day of Cleansing" to initiate "The Cleansing", taking a group of trucks loaded with enough explosives to make the Oklahoma City bombing look tame, before driving them to foreign business centers and black churches, before detonating them all over the city in order to subjugate minorities and show them their "proper" place.
  • Alaric, from the Hammers of Fate and Tribes of the East add-ons, is the new Archbishop of the Griffin Empire, the leader of the Red Church, and The Dragon to Biara disguised as Queen Isabel. "Isabel" appoints Alaric as Archbishop and the leader of the Red Church, and he very rapidly shows himself to be an absolute fanatic. Ruining negotiations with rebel leaders when they disrespected his "Saint", Alaric endorsed a policy proposed by Laszlo to burn and kill off entire villages simply because some of them were helping the rebellion. He nearly orders the rebel leader Duncan executed for mocking Isabel, and is only stopped because killing him will make him a martyr. Upon recovering Prince Andrei, Alaric abandons their allies to be slaughtered by the rebellion, and orders anyone who disrespects Isabel to be executed. After killing Andrei, Alaric routs the Orcs and kills their Warchief, but then departs the battle when he is ordered to meet with "Isabel", leaving his soldiers to be slaughtered. When Biara is exposed as a demon, Alaric goes completely insane and kills anything he encounters, believing it to be a demon. A fanatical Knight Templar, Alaric shows that even a follower of Elrath can be an irredeemable monster.
  • Suikoden series:
    • Neclord the vampire first appeared in Suikoden. There once existed a place called Blue Moon Village, which was inhabited by peaceful vampires whose thirst for blood was satiated by the presence of the Blue Moon Rune. Neclord, in his lust for power, allowed himself to be turned into a vampire, ingratiated himself into the village, then stole the rune from the village’s altar. This resulted in the vampires of the town being forced to choose between killing people to extend their lives, or perish themselves. Desiring more power still, Neclord joined forces with Windy and decimated places like the Village of the Hidden Rune to obtain more True Runes. He also, on a whim, attacked the village of North Window, killing and zombifying all its inhabitants to use as his undead army. He later did the same thing to the soldiers of Lorimar Fortress after Windy made him Lorimar’s governor. As governor, Neclord demanded that his people sacrifice him one young girl a year to be his bride. Their screams from his castle could be heard by the villagers. After his defeat, Neclord returned to North Window and began abducting women who strayed too close to the village. When Viktor, a former North Window resident, returns to seek revenge on Neclord, Neclord responds by reviving Viktor’s Love Interest, Daisy, whom Neclord had murdered. Neclord offered to bring Daisy back to life in exchange for the sword Viktor was going to use to kill him, however Viktor realized the dead couldn't be brought back except as zombies, and killed Daisy himself causing Neclord to flee. Eventually, Neclord attacked Tinto City, hoping to take it over and make a new zombie kingdom for himself. During this time he also abducted Lo Wen and Lilly Pendragon, the daughter of Tinto’s mayor, to be his brides.
    • Suikoden II: Luca Blight, the "Mad Prince" of the Highland Kingdom, stands in stark contrast to the ambiguous nature of many of the franchise's other villains. While he has a Freudian Excuse in being Forced to Watch the rape of his mother by Muse ruffians after his cowardly father fled, it is inexcusable when compared to the sheer scale of his atrocities. Luca relishes killing and expresses a hatred and disgust for all life. His Establishing Character Moment is building up public support for a war against Jowston by having his own youth brigade, just children training to be soldiers, slaughtered by his troops disguised as Jowstone soldiers. Later, he is seen burning a defenseless village to the ground and killing villagers. When one woman begs for her life, he tells her to act like a pig. After complying and asking if she's free to leave, Luca instead murders her while shouting, "Die pig!" After a mercenary fortress falls to Luca early in the game, Luca is found running Pohl, a teenage boy, through with his sword before turning his attention on a very young girl named Pilika, whose parent he had already killed in an earlier encounter. Though he is prevented from killing her as well, the traumatic situation causes Pilika to become mute. Later he sacrifices the entire population of the city of Muse to the Beast Rune while Jowy watches in complete horror, as does the party outside the city. Luca's gleeful depravity turns against him, when Jowy and other Highlanders betray him to the player's army by setting up an ambush in the forest. Even as he dies though, Luca never once stops relishing in just how monstrous he truly is.
    "It took hundreds to kill me, but I slaughtered humans by the thousands! Look at me! I am sublime! I AM THE TRUE FACE OF EVIL!!!"
    • Suikoden V: Childerich is the most brutal Psycho for Hire in the Suikoden series. A sadistic psychopath who lives to fight and kill, Childerich centers in on the Prince of Falena, occupying a town and executing people at random as "sympathizers", solely because the town itself was occupied by the rebels. In battle, Childerich happily uses his own men as human shields before escaping and later taking the city of Doraat. During the Second Battle of Doraat, he would have chosen to burn the whole city rather than letting it fall into the hands of the Prince's army. In his final battle with the Prince, Childerich attempts to murder the Prince and his comrades, showing he has nothing but contempt for all that lives and his only enjoyment in life being murder and death.
  • Xeno franchise:
    • Xenogears: Miang Hawwa is eventually revealed to be the true driving force of the game's conflict. Initially Ramsus's wallflower assistant, Miang turns out to be an ancient being with one goal: to prepare humanity for harvest by Deus. The "Eve" of the world, its first woman, Miang has helped to manipulate human history by running an Ancient Conspiracy, causing countless wars and conflicts with countless deaths. Miang demonstrates nothing less than cruel satisfaction at her manipulations, rubbing it in her lover Ramsus's face how he was a failed prototype of Ramsus's rival Fei to break his already fragile mind. Miang awakens Deus and causes the genocide of almost all humanity, in addition to having made it her personal mission to destroy the happiness of lover Fei and Elly's past incarnations every time they reincarnate. Only Miang demonstrates such sadistic cruelty in her job in Xenogears.
    • Xenoblade:
      • Zanza, formerly Klaus, is revealed to be the true Big Bad and responsible for all the bad events in the game. In a flashback sequence it is shown that Zanza destroyed the entire universe before just to become a god which created the setting of the game. After doing so he used the Monado to possess Arglas and destroy Agnirathia because he believed that the Machina were insolent. In the present day it is revealed that he possessed Shulk's body, killing him and then announcing that his goal is to destroy and recreate the universe, so he could survive and kills both Meyneth and Egil as he considers any being on the Bionis and the Mechonis to be bacteria around his body before deciding to turn all the High Entia into Telethia. With no desire for destruction other than care for himself,, and committing needlessly cruel acts simply For the Evulz, Zanza stands out in Xenoblade.
      • Originally a slimy, cowardly weasel of a man, Mumkhar ends up becoming something far worse entirely . After smugly leaving his close friends Dunban and Dickson to die on the battlefield, he is captured by the robotic Mechon and turned into one of their own, and willingly betrays his people by throwing in his lot with the Mechon and aiding them in their conquest. Going by the name of Metal Face, he leads a squad of Mechon in an attack on Colony 9, slaughters scores of people, and personally murders Dunban's sister Fiora, all out of hatred, envy, and spite towards the man, and gleefully brags about it to Shulk, her Love Interest. Later on, he leads an assault on Eryth Sea, which ends with him killing Sorean, the emperor of the High Entia. After his final defeat at the hands of Shulk and company, he doesn't hesitate to try to murder them all after they decide to spare his life. Fueled entirely by spite and cruelty, Metal Face cements his status as one of the party's most hated enemies.
      • Dickson starts the game off as a seemingly helpful mentor and father figure to our protagonists, particularly Shulk and Dunban. This all changes after Shulk refuses to kill Egil after defeating him. Dickson shows up and shoots Shulk In the Back, releasing his master Zanza, the true Big Bad. He then reveals that he's Zanza's disciple, and never cared at all for the people of Bionis, acting only to ensure Zanza was properly revived—then assisting in his wishes to kill off everyone so he can enact the destruction/reconstruction of the world. He tries to finish off the party with an army of Telethia, gleefully asserting that he's Not Brainwashed when they propose he is. When the High Entia army shows up to save the heroes, he and fellow disciple Lorithia convert them all into mindless Telethia, including Melia's brother, Kallian, whose remarks to his sister whilst transforming they promptly mock. Shortly after this, he arrives in Colony 6, now the residence of the surviving people of Bionis, with more Telethia, hoping to exterminate them all. He further taunts Melia, mocking her brother by proposing he might be her boyfriend in the next life. Ultimately, he reveals his motivation for his actions is that he wants to have the powers of a god in the next world. Thus, he willingly helps Zanza's atrocities with a sadistic smile on his face, no regrets or remorse, only feeling fear when it's hinted Shulk might be stronger than Zanza.
    • Xenoblade Chronicles X: Alex is a BLADE who blames the destruction of the Earth on any xeno, regardless of how they're affiliated. Tricking Rook into gathering a number of xenos and attending a seminar that will take place in the wilderness, Alex uses this excuse to attempt murder on the xenos attending as the start of his Final Solution. If the murders aren't stopped by the player, Alex clearly relishes in their deaths—much like how Goetia relishes in the thought of purging mankind. An opposing group led by Eliza condemns the actions of Alex and his terrorist friends, but wishes to negotiate with them peacefully to set them straight. This fails, and Alex attacks the player in the negotiation process. When Eliza wishes to make an assembly to advocate human-xeno cooperation, she gets non-fatally sniped, by Alex's orders. Later, the player finally confronts Alex at Cauldros, where he's seen conspiring with Ganglion forces—the same Ganglion forces who actually DID destroy the Earth—to bring about his genocidal ambitions.

edited 7th Aug '17 5:37:55 AM by ACW

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#91806: Aug 6th 2017 at 12:05:31 PM

ACW: Mumkhar's entry is good, but I would personally prefer to leave Fiora's death unspoiled. It happens literally thirty minutes/one hour into an 80+ hour game so it's not really that big of a spoiler. I'd also unspoiled Shulk and Dunban's names in the line regarding Fiora's death, but otherwise it's perfect.

edited 6th Aug '17 12:06:51 PM by FriedWarthog

randomtroper89 from The Fire Nation Since: Nov, 2010
#91807: Aug 6th 2017 at 12:07:48 PM

By the way it was mentioned that Harod Sayle never threatened Sabina like Darius did, that is because Sabina was only introduced in the third book.

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#91808: Aug 6th 2017 at 12:20:26 PM

Alright, Mumkhar's is fixed. Dickson I tried to spoil the super-spoilery stuff; Zanza I didn't even bother, as basically he IS a spoiler (basically, all 3 are Walking Spoilers. Add them to the list of "Friend" and Ego).

BTW, I'll do Gunther Botha next week—if I feel like it tongue

Lucifer Leary seems to be a [tdown] (I think I was the ONLY one in favor), but he didn't get many votes.

There may be a few more villains for Marvel Literature: I may have Hobgoblin, and if I feel like it Strucker was in a few more books; Overlord may have one, and mentioned another.

Also, I just found out: The same fellow who brought us "Friend" also brought us Johan Liebert. Geesh.

On that note, which Mangaka (besides the ones from the same work, like Oda's One Piece) has the most CMs? It may be Tetsuya Saruwatari: 3 from Dokuro, 2 (at least) from Dog Soldier, and the guy from Oniwakamaru.

edited 6th Aug '17 12:29:52 PM by ACW

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#91809: Aug 6th 2017 at 1:09:30 PM

Uh, ACW... you listed Cliff Eagleton twice.

bobg Since: Nov, 2012
#91810: Aug 6th 2017 at 1:14:10 PM

Tally for Sloan and Bree:

Yays: Demon Duckof Doom, Mah Stache, Futuremoviewriter, G-Editor, Awesomekid 42, Fried Warthog

Nays: A New Man, Irene, Very Melon, Zeta Ridge, 32Footsteps, Lightysnake

Abstains: Myself, Scraggle, username2527, Hamburger Time, erazor0707, Tommy Fresh, Overlord, Ms CC 93

Ravok said that he needed a bit longer to think before deciding.

I will be seeing the film with the witch online today. If I think she qualifies, I will EP her.

jjj
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#91811: Aug 6th 2017 at 1:23:36 PM

[up][up] That was deliberate. One's for Martial Law, the other's for Walker. Believe me, it was a PAIN figuring out how to do all that.

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#91812: Aug 6th 2017 at 1:53:54 PM

Eh, what the heck, I'll probably [tup] the Wild Thornberry candidates as well.

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#91813: Aug 6th 2017 at 2:51:45 PM

In John Trick's entry, there are two r's in "father".

Why so serious?
PolarPhantom Since: Jun, 2012
#91815: Aug 6th 2017 at 3:26:19 PM

[tup] The Wild Thornberrys duo.

edited 6th Aug '17 3:26:49 PM by PolarPhantom

NTG Since: Aug, 2014
#91816: Aug 6th 2017 at 5:13:13 PM

Here’s my write-up for Rhazzazor. Sorry that I took so long. Had a really stressful week.

The Dark Eye: Rhazzazor was an ancient dragon who sold his soul to Thargunitoth, the Archdemoness of the Undead, and became a powerful undead monstrosity. He would eventually become the despotic ruler of a small nation, demanding monthly human sacrifices to maintain his unholy existence. When Emer, the ruler of the Middle Realm, not only dared to challenge him but also managed to injury him he condemned her to a Fate Worse than Death by turning her into a living seal for an Eldritch Abomination, driving her almost insane. Eventually he planned to steal the life essences of thousands of people to give himself a new body and offering their souls to the archdemoness in exchange for his own. When a group of heroes stopped the dark ritual that would’ve allowed Thargunitoth to claim these souls, Rhazzazor still continued with the plan, hoping that the sheer life essences of all those soul would give him enough strength to simply break the pact and reclaim his soul. Overall Rhazzazor was sadistic and cruel being, willing to condemn thousands of innocent souls to a Fate Worse than Death so that he could continue his existence.

Camberf Since: Jan, 2012
#91817: Aug 6th 2017 at 8:01:28 PM

I have a suggestion for a quote for Monster/Quotes:

"See, every man here has served under a captain who uses violence to achieve an end... to terrorize, to advertise. When the men see that, they can spot the lie. They know that that captain is, in some part of his soul, sickened by his own actions. And the lie infects everyone who sees it. But with me, when the men see me slaughter the crew of the Good Fortune, when they see me cut out a man's tongue from his mouth for lying, when they see me burn a boy alive in front of his father’s eyes, they know. They can see it in my eyes… there’s no lie there. There’s no secret remorse there. I simply don’t have it in me."
Ned Low, Black Sails, "IX."

Stellarvore Since: Apr, 2016
#91818: Aug 6th 2017 at 8:59:17 PM

I'd also like to propose a quote:

See, I've cleaned up a lot of breeders, families like cesspools; filth making filth making filth. And I did it over and over and over again, but it was all leading me here... I was born to destroy Boone ... and the breed together.
Dr. Philip K. Decker, Nightbreed

edited 6th Aug '17 8:59:41 PM by Stellarvore

Silverblade2 Since: Jan, 2013
#91819: Aug 7th 2017 at 1:32:37 AM

Found on YMMV.Of Sheep And Battle Chicken

  • Complete Monster: The Dark Gods. Read about the Batarians - the reason why they are so evil, racistic and cruel is because the entire race is influenced (corrupted de-facto) by the Black Leviathans.
    • Victor Manswell, full stop. He single-handedly engineered the Days of Iron and most of the events leading up to it, including giving Ardiente the backpack nukes for the Bowls of Wrath, destabilized several countries, and is directly or indirectly responsible for billions of human casualties, just in the reclamation of Earth alone. And then managed to spin, cover-up, and misdirect the aftermath to the point he was declared a Saint by the United Neo-Catholic Church of Christ, which his family basically controlled.

On YMMV.Mc Jugger Nuggets

  • Complete Monster:
    • Jeffrey Ridgway, Sr. (aka Psycho Dad) from the Psycho Series might just be the most solidly evil example of a Hate Sink character in Web Original history (if not just fiction in general). Not even the likes of Mechakara and Angry Grandpa, even at their absolute worst, compare to him. Not only does he verbally, emotionally, and psychologically abuse his son, he also destroys his property, tries to force his outdated ways on him, and later in the series, is implied to be actively trying to kill Jesse.
    • Arguably Boogie comes across as this in his respective arc. Even his "tragic" Freudian Excuse is just a front to hide his selfish ways. We are not given much backstory or motivation for his actions, and he just seems like an evil psycho.

edited 7th Aug '17 1:56:00 AM by Silverblade2

bobg Since: Nov, 2012
#91820: Aug 7th 2017 at 1:54:57 AM

The vote tally for Bree and Sloan is now at 8 yes to 6 no. I don't know if anyone else has any opinions. I would like to finish voting on them as soon as possible. In the meantime though, I have another proposal: Ladine Lorine from The Wicked:

Who is Ladine Lorene and what does she do?

Ladine Lorene was the leader of a coven of witches who set fire to their town with their magic. While her coven was killed by witch hunters, Ladine herself survived, and for decades, she proceeded to kidnap, kill, and eat children for a ritual for immortality. Aside from eating children to live, she also ate women for their beauty and young men for strength. While most of the town considered her a myth, the children very much believed her to be real, and were terrified of the stories of her. One story is that if you break one of the windows of her still standing house, she will make you her next victim.

The film opens with a little girl named Amanda lying in her bed as she calls for her mother, telling her that she's afraid that Ladine is coming for her since she went up with elder kids to her house earlier that day, and she had thrown a rock through one of her windows. The mother tells Amanda that Ladine is a myth, but after she leaves, Ladine does indeed come and take Amanda. Right after this, we see the opening credits, played over newspaper clippings of Ladine's crimes; the fire she and her coven caused, and the many dissapearances of people, primarily children.

Ladine is next seen when she kills a ranger out in broad daylight after he got too close too her house. After this, the film switches it's focus to the main characters, leaving Ladine out of the film for a while so we can meet the protagonists.

Max is a teenager mourning his Grandpa's death and is visited by his girlfriend Sammy. Sammy's mom is a drunkard, and her hobby is making prank calls to the police. Max and his brother Zach fight over everything. The next night Max's father has to work and asks Zach to babysit Max. But Max learns that Zach, along with his friends Julie, Carter, and Tracy, is planning to go to Open Hearth and throw a rock through one of the windows to see if the myth is true. Max and Sammy decide to follow them and take pictures so he can have his revenge. In the meantime, Zach and his friends arrive at Open Hearth and throw stones at the house. One of the stones hits the window. Naturally, this makes Ladine mad.

Later that night Julie hears a whisper and finds a teddy bear which belongs to Amanda outside the camp. The four decide to check out the woods to find the kidnapped girl. They come near the abandoned house of the Witch and hear a child crying from inside. Julie decides to go in despite the warning from her friends. Zach joins her in the search, and they find Amanda tied up in the basement with an apple in her mouth, along with a ton of camping material from Ladine's previous murder victims who decided to camp in the woods near her house.

They manage to escape into the woods with Ladine in pursuit. Once at the campsite, they are shocked to find Carter's truck missing and their tent and other camping gear are gone. Ladine then abducts Max while Sammy screams. Zach and his friends lose their way and wander in circles due to Ladine's magic. Zach finds Max's bike and decides to go into the house again to rescue his brother. The others go into the woods in search of the nearest rangers station. Ladine kidnaps Carter and his girlfriend Tracy while Julie and Amanda hide under the bush. Zach finds Max in the basement and is knocked out by the Witch. Sammy reaches the nearby rangers station and calls the cops, who reject her call as a prank. She finally blackmails Deputy Karl, saying she will upload the photo which shows him smoking on duty if he doesn't show up. Enraged, Karl sets out to arrest Sammy. Back in the house Zach opens his eyes and sees that he, Max, Carter and Tracy have all been pinned to the walls with apples in each of their mouths; Ladine is going to eat them. Ladine kills and eats Carter and Tracy. Zach manages to free his hands from the cuffs and tries to escape with Max. They manage to make it out of the house, but the Witch captures them again.

In the meantime Karl arrests Sammy and takes her back to the police station, rejecting her pleas to save Max. He gets a message from another cop, Deputy Mahoney, saying the ranger in Speeder Station (the one Ladine killed earlier) is dead, and he found Julie and Amanda. Karl realizes Sammy is telling the truth and drives towards Open Hearth, asking Mahoney to meet him there.

Karl arrives and goes inside, with Deputy Mahoney remaining to guard Sammy. The Witch kills and partially eats Mahoney and attacks Karl inside the house, draining some of his life force. Sammy finds Max, and as she tries to escape with him, they find Zach on the table and save him. They find a bottle designed to capture the witch and decide to use it. The Witch runs away at first but then attacks them and start to drain their souls. They manage to burn her using the flamethrower given to Max by his grandpa, who is revealed to have been a witch hunter. Zach, Sammy, Max, and Karl, all make it out okay (though Karl has to go to the hospital due to some of his life force having been drained), and Amanda is returned to her family. When the police search the house later, they do not find any corpses. The film ends by revealing that Ladine survived, and she is last seen stalking children at a playground. She's about to snatch away a little girl when her mother pulls her away.

Heinousness?

Ladine kills four people (the ranger, Carter, Tracy, and Mahoney), eating three of them, tries to kill Amanda, Karl, Max, Zach, Sammy, and Julie, is indicated to have killed and eaten many people over the decades, primarily children, and ends the film by trying to snatch away a little girl.

Redeeming features?

HAHAHA NO!

Mitigating qualities?

She does not speak any English. Instead, she chants in a language that is probably made up. There are no subtitles for her. That said, I don't think she's a GDV. Her motives are clear, and while we can't understand what she says, her personality is there. She laughs several times during the film, mocking the protagonists. She is shown to be a sadist when she approaches Carter with an evil grin and slowly runs him over with her meat grinder to let him feel it, before just shoving him through it. She is also shown to be very vain; every time she eats a person, she checks her reflection in a mirror to see her youth and beauty slowly return, and after she drains some of Karl's life force and becomes a young attractive redhead, she spends some time admiring herself before going off to deal with the remaining characters (which is not played for laughs).

One could try to argue Offscreen Villainy, but we see newspaper clippings of all of her murders, and we see the large amount of camping equipment of her victims. We see what she does to children, and the film ends with her trying to snatch away a little girl. This all establishes a pattern.

Conclusion?

In my opinion, one of the most heinous women in horror films.

jjj
DemonDuckofDoom from Some Pond in Hell Since: Sep, 2015 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
#91821: Aug 7th 2017 at 2:37:16 AM

Lorene is such an easy keeper that she's already listed!

bobg Since: Nov, 2012
#91822: Aug 7th 2017 at 2:46:27 AM

[up] Oh. Sorry. That was embarrassing. I didn't see her listed. I hope I'm not the first person to make a mistake like that.

I will be checking the Ghoulies films out to see if any of them have candidates. Since there are four of them, and since I am going on a vacation for two weeks Saturday, it will probably be a while before I do another effortpost.

Any more opinions on Bree and Sloan?

edited 7th Aug '17 3:14:39 AM by bobg

jjj
ACW Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster from Arlington, VA (near Washington, D.C.) Since: Jul, 2009
#91823: Aug 7th 2017 at 3:42:44 AM

bobg: I don't think you're the first to do that.

NTG: Drafts please.

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