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Maybe we should put the discussion on Valak on hold until the sequel since if what I am hearing is right he is set to return so his arc may not be over, then we can get a definite or on whether he counts.

Okay guys. Some time ago, I've cut quite a few quotes. Now the only quotes that are left are the ones I hesitate on. So I'd like to ask a bit of your help. If there is enough downvote (preferably five) on the quote, I'll cut it. As there is a lot of quotes, I'll post the quotes here progressively. I begin with the Anime quotes.

"Kill as much as you want! Have fun!"

—Ridley, Metroid manga

"Thanks to you, the Afloraltite exploded and I was also engulfed in flames! Can you imagine how I managed to survive? Shall I tell you what I had to feed my injured body, hmm?! FLESH!!! I somehow survived by consuming the bodies of your kind, tossed every which way. Foul, foul human flesh. [smiles as Samus breaks down in terror] Heh, humans are always weak to the death of their own kind!! You don't know, maybe I even ate your 'Mama' so that my cells can live, hm? Is she here [points at his body] or here?! [slams Samus down] At least pay your respects!"

—Ridley tormenting Samus Aran of her traumatized past that he himself had inflicted upon her, Metroid manga

I think The Conjuring Valak spin-off is going to be a prequel (like with Annabelle).

Also, Gul'dan got mainly upvotes. Since I'm not sure how to do his write-up yet, I wouldn't be opposed to someone else doing it.

Once again, I think we're getting too gung-ho in regards to cutting quotes. I honestly don't have a problem with keeping most of them, the only ones I really think should be cut are the Johan Liebert one (Specifically the "You can't go around killing people!/Why not?" exchange) as well as the third Zorin quote.

EDIT: Because I forgot to do so, for Valak. It's been bought up before, but I really don't get why people just assume that demons lack moral agency. Unless if they're flat-out stated to be specifically made to be evil in the work they appear in, moral agency for demons has never been an issue for me.

edited 25th Jun '16 11:31:19 AM by FriedWarthog

Valak is definitively defeated in The Conjuring. No reason to hold off.

Valak. Judging by his crimes, he's definitely as bad as Bathsheba, if not worse. I don't really get why people are quick to assume that demons don't have moral agency, though. Especially when some of the demons that I got to see in the fiction know that what they are doing is bad, but simply doesn't care.

edited 25th Jun '16 11:39:08 AM by MiraiYuji

Re affirming my for Valek.

I'll vote yes to Valak.

I will give Valak a then.

Usure about Shere Khan. Althought he's certainly darker than its animet counterpart but killing two people and attempting to kill the protagonis feel like baseline villainy.

This whole obsession about Quotes is really getting on my nerves.

Burn the quotes. This is a hard trope to describe in only a sentence or two. There really should not be that many.

Shere Khan was voted down before. So still "no".

• Ushio and Tora: Guren, second-in-command to Hakumen no Mono, was already a vicious mercenary and murderer in life before he found the Beast Spear. Enjoying nothing so much as killing others, he used the Beast Spear on human beings until it devoured his humanity, leaving him as the monstrous, black-furred Guren. Guren would spend the centuries hunting down and devouring humans: men, women and children alike. Finally, he devoured the family of a man who would take the name Hyou and the two inflicted wounds and scars on one another, earning a mutual hatred. Hyou would hunt down Guren, following the trail of his atrocities. In their final duel, Guren tried to gain the upper hand by holding a woman and her child hostage, knowing Hyou would remember his own family. Guren planned to kill Hyou when his guard was down, before devouring the humans as a post-victory treat.
• Rosario + Vampire fanfic Rosario Vampire: Brightest Darkness:
  • Hokuto Kaneshiro is far more vicious than his manga counterpart. Seeking to bring back Alucard to watch him destroy the planet, because he considers all life, human or monster, to be evil and meaningless trash, Hokuto has absolutely zero qualms against resorting to villainous and brutal means to further his plans. Such means includes manipulating the protagonists into believing he's on their side, kidnapping Felucia and using her spirit artifact to extort her into being his minion, manipulating Kuyou into attacking the Yokai Academy as a distraction to steal an Artifact of Doom, and ordering Jovian and Jacqueline to hold Tsukune's family hostage to force Moka to come to him without a fight. In an effort to prove to Moka that human/monster co-existence is impossible, he personally orders Jovian and Jacqueline to cause as much destruction and death in Tsukune's hometown to force the gang to reveal they are monsters by fighting them, attempting to get them killed by the very humans they had sworn to protect before her very eyes. After his point has been proved false, Hokuto refuses to give up his evil ways and stabbed Moka in the guts with the Artifact of Doom, right in front of Tsukune. Upon being defeated, he gloats to Tsukune that he still wins, as Alucard has been succesfully resurrected. While he claimed to act for a higher cause, it's made clear that he's just an insane and nihilistic sociopath.
  • Falla Cii was one of the three princesses of the chronofly kingdom, along with Luna and Complica. Viewing the Complica as a disgrace for their species, she sent her to her death by telling her how to use a forbidden spell to save her deceased boyfriend. Out of jealousy that Luna was going to become the queen instead of her, Falla attemped to kill her several times—including one which caused her father's death—then caused the near-extinction of her race. In Act IV, to get Luna to restore her powers, Falla tricked her and her friends into thinking she wanted to become a good person. She then bisected Luna and rubbed in the others' faces that her this was all an act. Brought back as a soul thanks to the Big Bad, and planning to get the Pandora's Box keys from the group to get back her body, she gleefully tortured her alternate self, threatening to kill Kyouko if she doesn't let her do so, and she forcing the others to watch all of it. A self-centered, manipulative sadist, devoid of any empathy or moral conscience whatsoever, Falla is nothing short of a sociopathic monster.
• The Alphabet Killer: The Alphabet Killer, Richard Ledge, is the pedophilic psychopath responsible for the film's events. Having kidnapped, then brutally raped and murdered a little girl, the killer became infatuated with police detective Megan Paige, and, to prove her theory that his killings were solely against children with alliterative names, he raped and murdered two more children who matched Paige's theory. When Paige discovers his identity, the killer brutally beats her before trying to drown her in a raging river. Evading capture by the film's end, the killer goes on to rape and murder numerous more little girls while leaving Paige to rot in a mental institution. Manipulatively charming and falsely kind, the Alphabet Killer was a depraved lunatic with no rhyme or reason to his atrocities beyond his own perverse entertainment.
• He Knows You're Alone: After his girlfriend leaves him for somebody else, Ray Carlton stabs her to death on the night before her wedding. With that, he begins a three-year killing spree where he butchers brides-to-be slightly before their weddings. He fixates on Amy Jensen, and begins to stalk her and murder all her friends, concluding in putting her roommate's head in their fish tank and attempting to kill her. He kills Len Gamble, the cop who's been chasing him and whose fiance was his first victim, before being arrested.
• Col Sec Trilogy: Lamprey is a former Crusher turned gangster who was exiled to Klydor alongside the protagonists. Repeatedly trying to assert dominance over the group, Lamprey was driven out after he murdered several of the forest aliens for being ugly—thus starting a war—and tried to kill Cord. Returning to stalk and harass the group, Lamprey nearly beat Jeko to death and tried to kidnap Samella, who led him into the woods after making her getaway. Encountering the aliens again, Lamprey killed four dozen of them before they overwhelmed him and brought him down. A clear demonstration of what happens when a petty sadist is given elite combat-training, Lamprey was the only exile who actually deserved to dumped off on Klydor.
• Last Legionary series: The Deathwing operatives that Keill Randor faces in his quest for vengeance are a bad lot, but even then the following stand out:
  • Galactic Warlord: Lord Thr'un of Irruq-hoa is an aristocrat from one of the altered worlds, and the man tasked with annihilating the Legions of Moros. A Faux Affably Evil, buff, giant of a man, Lord Thr'un seeded Moros's atmosphere with radiation capsules, resulting in the death of every man, woman, child, and animal on the planet and rendering the world uninhabitable. He then began masquerading as a surviving Legionary in the hopes of luring any genuine survivors into a trap. When Keill was captured by Thr'un's men, Thr'un—on his own accord—had him tortured via jangler, a weapon that attacks the nerves; when Keill refused to talk, Thr’un ordered him jangled to death, the idea being that his convulsions would become so bad that he would snap his own spine. Little more than a thug beneath his polished veneer, Thr'un was perhaps the most ruthless agent in the Warlord's employ.
  • Deathwing Over Veynaa: Quern was a psychic Deathwing agent, and one of their top scientists to boot. Infiltrating a revolution in the Veynaa system, Quern turned a peaceful movement into a violent one, and, deploying the same radiation weapon used on Moros, killed two hundred Veynaan colonists to make political points for a cause he did not believe in. Confronted by Keill, Quern revealed he was the inventor of the weapon, and the only Deathwing member who knew how to use it, before trying to fire it into Veynaa's atmosphere while Keill watched. Little more than a brooding ego, Quern was prepared to murder millions to prove his own brilliance.
  • Day of the Starwind and Planet of the Warlord: Altern, alias The One, is field leader of the Deathwing, and right-hand man to the Warlord itself. A crippled dwarf in a golden exoskeleton, Altern gave the order for the genocide on Moros, and handed Quern his instructions for the slaughter on Veynaa. Determined to produce an army of slaves for his master, The One first encountered Keill on Rilyn, where Altern was cloning famous Legionaries for use as Slave Mooks and sending them to a neighbouring world to commit murders; he also tried to mind-wipe Keill and use him to train said Legionaries. Bested by Keill, The One fled Rilyn, leaving the clones to die in a hurricane. Capturing Keill when the Last Legionary infiltrated the Warlord’s homeworld, Altern had him brainwashed and slaved to the Arachnis computer, using him to train Deathwing agents, with the intent of slowly killing him afterwards. Responsible for almost all the atrocities committed in the Warlord’s name, The One proved himself Keill Randor’s worst enemy.
• Kolchak: The Night Stalker:
  • Jack the Ripper from "The Ripper" is a Serial Killer who is at first believed to be a Ripper copycat, but is soon revealed to be something far more sinister. First seen butchering numerous women, mostly hookers and strippers, throughout Milwaukee and Chicago, the Ripper cannibalized his third victim in Chicago, carving out her kidneys to eat. Sending taunting letters of his crimes to the press, the Ripper arranges a meeting with a young reporter while claiming he won't kill anyone the night they would meet, however he kills her anyway. After escaping police custody and brutalizing many officers and innocents who try to restrain him, the Ripper is revealed to be the actual Jack the Ripper, having spent the past decades traveling the world and always murdering 5 women in each location he terrorizes, having killed over 70 women over the years. Jack the Ripper was a mysterious figure whose crimes were never given justification beyond sheer sadism and hatred.
  • Robert Palmer from "The Devil's Platform" is a senator obsessed with gaining as much personal power as possible, and to this end, made a deal with the Prince of Darkness for supernatural abilities. Using these abilities, of which he pays for by regularly sacrificing animals and "higher forms of life", Palmer kills off all of his political opponents, with their wives and friends being casualties as well. When Palmer's campaign manager plans to reveal his crimes to the public, Palmer sends the elevator his manager is on plummeting to the ground, killing him and the numerous other innocents onboard. A secretary, aware of Palmer's part in the elevator crash, tries to blackmail him into paying her to keep quiet about it, and Palmer responds by trying to maul her in his hellhound form; when she survives and is sent to the hospital, Palmer pursues and kills her in her weakened state. After murdering another of his opponents in a car crash, Palmer tries to manipulate Carl Kolchak into signing his soul over to Palmer, and wastes no time in trying to butcher Kolchak when he refuses. Smug and power hungry, Robert Palmer stood out even to Kolchak as one of the most wicked villains he ever faced.
  • Helen of Troy from "The Youth Killer" has the longest Historical Rapsheet in the series. A beautiful demigoddess who made a deal with the powerful goddess Hecate for eternal life, Helen is required to drain the life out of physically perfect individuals on a regular basis to retain her youth, a process that inevitably kills her victims, something she takes pleasure from. Having lived for hundreds of years, Helen uses a computer dating service in the present to find victims, and drains the life out of three of them throughout the episode, nearly getting Kolchak killed when he tries to interfere. Defined by her callousness and lust for beauty, Helen of Troy was the most beautiful, and most self-centered, foe Kolchak ever faced.
• Orphan Black: Henrik "Hank" Johanssen from season 2 stands out as a depraved character even in a show full of Black-and-Gray Morality. Johanssen is the leader of a branch of the Proletheans, operating on a ranching community. Separating from the Prolethans' more traditional views in favor of scientific curiosity, Johanssen operates his branch, and seemingly peaceful community, as a Breeding Cult, where women are artificially inseminated and children are regularly abused. When Hank gets his hands on Helena, discovering she's a rare fertile clone, Hank has her handler Tomas killed so he can keep her. He proceeds to drug and forcibly marry Helena before taking her ovaries and fertilizing them with his sperm, planning to implant those embryos in multiple women. When Helena escapes with the help of Hank's teenage daughter Gracie, Hank has Gracie locked in a cage and her mouth sewn shut as punishment; it's implied this is a usual punishment for her. He shows more affection towards his follower Mark than he does Gracie and even then he's controlling and indifferent to Mark's feelings; it's discovered Mark, a Project CASTOR clone, is merely a replacement to Abel, a stillborn attempt of Hank's recreating project CASTOR. When Helena returns, Henrik has her inseminated with their embryos before proceeding to do the same with Gracie. He keeps them locked in a nursery, holding them at gunpoint and sends his wife to find more women for him to impregnate. While hiding behind a thin veil of a warm fatherly demeanor, Hank's motivations are that since a fertile clone is a scientific impossibility, he's the only one worthy of fathering children with them and spreading the genres of "miracle babies."
• Penny Dreadful: Season 2’s Big Bad is Madame Kali, whose real name is Evelyn Poole. She is revealed to be far more than a simple medium, actually a powerful servant of Satan. Evelyn is a witch who rules the coven of The Nightcomers, and her true nature is introduced with her in a bath of blood and a young woman's corpse close by. Evelyn promptly thereafter kills one of her own witches for failure and sends her sadistic daughter Hecate to murder a family—including a baby—so Evelyn can harvest the child's heart to create a ritual doll. One top of this, it is revealed Evelyn has dozens of these dolls, each one powered by the heart of a dead infant. Evelyn later enslaves the mind of Sir Malcolm and mentally tortures Malcolm's wife into killing herself, simply to make Malcolm hers. When Malcolm breaks free, she simply inflicts the same spell as she inflicted on Malcolm's wife so that Malcolm is tormented by visions of his dead children. It is also revealed Evelyn had framed her own sister as a witch so that she would be burned alive. Ruthlessly dedicated to the service of Satan, Evelyn stops at nothing to achieve her goals and indeed causes a great deal of torment, misery and damage before she is finally undone. It's further revealed that Evelyn forced her daughter Hecate into Lucifer's servitude when Hecate was just five years old, with a description that sounds disturbingly like Lucifer raping her.
• inFAMOUS series:
  • inFAMOUS 2: Joseph Bertrand III turns ordinary human beings into the Corrupted, performs cruel experiments on Lucy Kuo, uses the Power Transfer Device to turn Vermaak 88 into Forced Conduits in a process that will eventually drive them insane, was responsible for the sacrificial death of Nix's mother and several hundred others in his attempt to activate his own Conduit powers, and, angry that many Conduits appear normal while he, who voluntarily became a Conduit yet transformed into The Behemoth, orders the execution of any Conduits or potential Conduits in the starting move towards total genocide. In addition to all that, he also planned on selling the Vermaak as personal soldiers to major powers around the world. Bertrand nearly started an arms race which might have sparked another World War, in charge of both The Militia and, as The Behemoth, in charge of The Corrupted, thus tugging the strings the whole time. Never fully seeming to realize how terrible a monster he's become, his Karmic Transformation is completely lost on him, despite the fact that the only power he unlocked through the murder of hundreds of innocents being the transformation into a ravenous monster; the only conclusion he draws from this is that if he has become a monster through the activation of his Conduit powers, then all Conduits are monsters, and must be exterminated.
  • inFAMOUS: First Light: Shane Bommer, the Big Bad of this prequel DLC to inFAMOUS: Second Son , is among the worst characters in the series despite having no superpowers of his own and little power compared to the other villains. Starting out as a small time drug lord and gang leader, Shane, upon meeting Abigail "Fetch" Walker, puts on a friendly and helpful face, manipulating Abigail into using her powers to help himwin a gang war and kill rival gangsters under the pretext of saving her brother Brent. When Brent is rescued, Shane takes his hostage, using threats of mutilation to coerce Abigail into working for him to cement his hold on Seattle's drug trade. When one of his employees, Jennifer, tries to help Abigail find Brent, Shane kills Jennifer, saying that's the price to pay for crossing him. Shane tries to get the police in his pocket, and has Abigail cause destruction and slaughter dozens of cops in order to blackmail the chief. When he offers to free Brent it turns out to be a trap to try to kill Abigail with a makeshift gas chamber, because she's now a liability. Later he drugs Abigail, and tricks her into killing her brother before she is taken in by the DUP. When Shane himself is taken in, he tries have Abigail take his side despite all he's done and even calls conduits "freaks" to her. In the following chaos, Shane kills several DUP agents to make his escape and is only concerned with his own safety. In his last moments, he feels no remorse for his crimes, even using his last words.to taunt Abigail about her brother's death.

edited 28th Jun '16 9:18:28 AM by ACW

Jack the Ripper's on there twice.

to Valak and Leo Finch. I stand by my for Machinedramon.

Burn all those quotes. Valak

Jack's fixed. Keep the Hidan, Ali, and Gyokuro quotes at least.
Keep Hidan.

edited 25th Jun '16 1:52:09 PM by ACW

Otoya, Dragonball, Fate Zero, Flame Of Recca, Zorin, Kill La Kill, Zeus, King Hamdo, Rosiaro+Vampire, and the second Ridley quote are all good.

I've burned the quotes in Anime section. I only kept the ones you told me (except Zorin's third quote, which was really bad) and Hidan's.

EDIT: I wanted to post the comic section, but it seems like some people aren't pleased that I talk about the quotes, so I won't talk about it for some time. I'm truly sorry for troubling you.

edited 25th Jun '16 2:21:28 PM by MiraiYuji

There was, I think, a general consensus to keep the Ali quote. The rest can be torched.

Nah, it's cool. The cleanup needed to be done sooner or later (and I, for one, STRONGLY oppose just cutting the quotes).

Well then, let's do it as soon as possible so we won't have to talk about it later.

Comics section :

I say keep all except MAYBE Ultron's. And with that I go to bed (yes, it's early, but I got little sleep last night and have a long night tomorrow night). I feel this'll probably be on page 2500 when I wake up.
P.S. Please remove the potholes from the quotes.

edited 25th Jun '16 2:41:12 PM by ACW

for Movie!Gul'dan.

Both of Kassady's quotes look good, as do the Punisher's and the baron's.