During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.
- Why do a cleanup?: This trope definitely exists and has a well documented history of use. That being said, it frequently gets misused to a character who meets one of the components, namely that they are smart, charming while not necessarily even being a villain, or create good plans. While these are components, there is also a certain personality required, not to mention that all of the above are required to be present for a character to be a true Magnificent Bastard. As the trope attracts interest, it unfortunately brings in a lot of misuse and I thought the best way to rectify this would be a Perpetual Cleanup Thread, as is being done and has seen success with Complete Monster.
- What makes a Magnificent Bastard: Below is a list of the individual components to make this character. Note that they must all be present, not just some, which has lead to frequent misuse:
- Must be intelligent: Goes without saying, to be a Magnificent Bastard, the character has to be smart in the first place and use their brain to work towards whatever their end goal may be;
- Must be a Bastard: While going overboard in how vile the character is can be detrimental, a key aspect is the Bastard part of the trope, whether the character is an out-and-out antagonist in the work, some manner of Villain Protagonist, or something in between, they at least have some unscrupulous qualities to qualify for this trope;
- Must not be too detestable: Again, there is a ceiling on how bad the character can be before they just become too nefarious, blocking out the Magnificent part of the trope. A genocidal racist or child-raping Sadist aren't going to make the cut;
- Think on their feet: In addition to being a Chessmaster, a Magnificent Bastard, if the character deals with situations in which their initial plan is ruined, has to be able to pull a Xanatos Speed Chess and at least come up with a competent strategy to make up for lost time, otherwise they fail for being unable to think in tough spots;
- Have charm: Even if they don't necessarily make every character they meet fall in love with them and can even be detested by others, the audience has to find an amicable social relation to the character, or they are failing to make the impact required for this trope.
- What to do if a character is listed on a page but has not been approved?: They need to be removed, all candidates need to come through the cleanup thread first. The character could well count but they need to be analyzed properly and voted on first.
- Do we list Playing With this trope?: No; as a YMMV trope, this cannot be Played With, so we only want examples that are Played Straight.
- What do I do if I want a character to be listed as a Magnificent Bastard?: The greatest success Complete Monster saw for its cleanup effort was from the invention of the effort post format, so, borrowing from that, a troper wishing to propose a Magnificent Bastard will create such a post in the following format:
- Begin by describing The work, this will help establish the setting the character is in and for the reader to understand what kind of a scenario they are in;
- Summarize The character's actions, this will provide a listing for readers to understand what they do and how it applies to this trope because charm and lack of smugness are so crucial, this is a good time to be incorporating exactly the flavor of how they operate to explain this;
- List circumstances in which the character must Think on their feet, these are times where a wrench might be thrown in their initial plan and they have to adapt on the spot or even come up with a new scheme all together, this is also a good time to explain how the villain reacts to defeat when they have to face it, a true Magnificent Bastard won't break down into tears at the thought of death, they should have known such a possibility could occur and be able to handle it with more dignity;
- The competition, similar to the Heinous Standard dealt with for a Complete Monster, this section is to deal with how successful the character is in carrying out their plans compared to other characters. While, as a villain, they probably are going to lose in the end, it is good to explain how other characters handle the same situation. There is no exceptionalism case to be made for this trope but explaining the variety helps the reader have a better understanding of the proposal.
- How do you know when the character's arc is done so they can be proposed? When their tenure as a villain or antagonist finishes. This could happen in a single Story Arc in an entire work, a single work of a franchise, or the whole series in general. We'll show lenience to Long-Runners with constantly recurring candidates or series with outstanding continuities (ex. comic books), and it's entirely possible to count in a work or two but not in general for a reason like Depending on the Writer.
- What about candidates evil because of external sources? Those Made of Evil can qualify if they show enough individuality and tactical acumen — in other words, they have the personality to fulfill the magnificence requirement. Conversely, those brainwashed, especially if they're a better person without it, may fail the individuality aspect and cannot count.
- What if they are under orders from a higher-up? Depends. If the boss created the plans down to the letter and the candidate is just following them, sounds like we should discuss the boss instead. However, if the candidate takes creative liberties with the orders, adds their own charm and flair to them, fills in holes in the orders, and/or actively deals with obstacles their boss did not talk about, the candidate shows enough individual thinking to qualify.
- What about Character Development? An MB is something a character can develop into... a nice person who plots well might become more morally gray as the work goes on and hits the "Bastard" criteria, thus making them viable. Likewise, a Smug Snake might shed their ego, become more understanding of the threat others pose and gain the personality or "Magnificent" criteria, likewise making them viable. Conversely, a character who looks like this trope might suffer from a Sanity Slippage or just get outed as not being as smart as they thought they were and become incompatible with MB.
- Can an MB be a good guy? Not in the conventional sense... it is required they have at least some dubious traits lest they fail the "Bastard" criteria. That being said, a character who pulls a Heel–Face Turn or eventually stops taking villainous actions is still fair game: as there was a point in time where they were both "Magnificent" and a "Bastard" at the same time and they've merely adapted as time goes on. Now... if such a character begins showing other issues (i.e.: becomes prone to freak outs or starts getting outwitted) then they're compromising their Magnificence and will probably be deemed a cut. What's important is stylishly operating while at least for some time being willing to take at best underhanded methods to see a job done. A Heel–Face Turn in itself isn't a disqualifier but they do have to have been "Magnificent" and a "Bastard" at the same time and afterwards can't start slipping on the former front.
- What about characters whose stories can take different routes?: When proposing a character in a form of media that has them in multiple story routes. Said character must be consistent with their characteristics in all routes. (ex.: Can't have an example who shows promise on one route yet fails in another.) The only exception is if a later installment of the series confirms the character's actions which made them worth proposing are the canon route.
- Is there a timeframe rule like with Complete Monster?: Yes, please wait two weeks until after the work has concluded before proposing a character (again, usually using the North American air date). As is the case with CM, we want to give a reasonable time frame so that everyone interested in seeing the work has done so and can participate in the discussion without having anything spoiled.
- What about groups like with Complete Monster?: This is a point of divergence between the two tropes. While CM does not allow for a single entry encompassing more than three characters lest their heinousness for crimes becomes too watered down, with MB as long as they are treated as one "unit" it is acceptable to lump all characters provided they share acts of charm and intelligence.
- Can I propose my own work's character as a Magnificent Bastard?: No, this is a YMMV subject and the creator of a content is way too biased to be able to evaluate the criteria we're looking for without a second opinion taking over. That being said, you are more than welcome to encourage someone to consume your creation and if they feel a character counts, are more than welcome to suggest them.
- My example/edit has been approved, but the example subpage is locked! How do I get it added?: The moderators do not add examples to locked example subpages in the MagnificentBastard/ namespace directly. Rather, you need to do the edit to a sandbox page that follows the format Sandbox.MagnificentBastard<Name of the example subpage> (e.g for MagnificentBastard.Fullmetal Alchemist it's Sandbox.Magnificent Bastard Fullmetal Alchemist) and on a Friday, ask in the locked pages edit requests thread for the content to be swapped in.
Thread rules
When voting a troper must specify the effort post they're voting on and cannot merely vote on "Everything I missed" as in the past it has indicated the poster didn't read the effort post and is guessing instead of analyzing.
Resolved items
In general, a character listed on this trope is considered "settled". This means they should not be challenged unless information used to list them was incorrect or information was missed in the initial discussion.
However, when re-litigating a candidate, the same rules apply for when they were originally proposed. If they do not have five or more upvotes than downvotes for approval upon a re-litigation, including votes from the initial discussion if they do not change, then they are a cut.
This especially applies to the characters listed below, who have been discussed excessively and repeated attempts to get them listed/cut may result in punitive action for bogging down the thread.
Definitely an MB
- Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers: Any sadism Darkrai displays is limited in effect thanks to the game's nature and any cowardice which can be inferred about him is Alternative Character Interpretation about his tactical retreats.
- Avatar: The Last Airbender: Azula's Villainous Breakdown is undone in the sequel comic Smoke & Shadow where she regains her composure and ends up stable and in control enough to count.
Definitely not an MB
- South Park: The show's frequent use of vulgar comedy and mean-spirited humor leaves any potential candidates devoid of the dignity or charm to qualify.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:15:22 AM
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to Axelrod.
The Draftsman of Doom
I have a potential quote from Tower Heist:
I have also taken the liberty of creating Sandbox.DH And MB Crossovers, since there are now more than one crossover candidates.
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I just wanted to make sure it was kosher that I was making one. Thanks for weighing in on the quote.
Edited by SkyCat32 on May 3rd 2020 at 11:25:39 AM
Rawr.
Quotes good for the Sandbox? Go ahead with it if you'd like, I don't find myself particularly interested in collecting crossovers with Designated Hero, The Woobie, Moral Event Horizon, Esoteric Happy Ending or any other YMMV tropes I don't follow.
Imperial do you mind sending me a PM or just posting here when you're done potholing so I know when to paste over the batch? Cheers!
Bludd.
Kirby is shaped like a friend
Hey guys. First time on this thread, but I've worked with effort posts before on Complete Monster and Hate Sink (back when it required EP), so let's see how this goes!
What is the work?
The Azure Striker Gunvolt Series is a video game series 20 Minutes into the Future, where superpowered humans named Adepts with powers called Septima have begun to emerge in the world. The story focuses on an Adept named Gunvolt who fights other Adepts in the name of good, and a human named Copen who wants to kill all Adepts for the threat they possess.
Nova Tsukuyomi, "The Mighty", is the Big Bad of the first game, leader of the MegaCorp Sumeragi's Adept Defence Task Force, responsible for keeping the Adept population in Japan under control. His Septima is Psychokinesis, which allows him to control physical matter and energy with his mind. Nova's plan is called Project Muse, intending on using the Septima of a young girl, Joule, to take control of the Adepts of the world to ensure peace.
What does he do?
Nova was an orphan used for experimentation by a Sumeragi Adept research institution, as part of "Project Gunvolt" to create an Azure Striker Adept. The experiment failed to yield the desired results, but Nova was instead granted Psychokinesis, which is so powerful that three Glaives are needed to suppress it instead of just one. Nova's combat skill lead him to become the leader of Sumeragi's Adept Defence Task Force. He was later selected to lead Project Muse.
QUILL agent Gunvolt frees Joule, taking away the key part of Project Muse and requiring Nova to search for her. After hearing that Defence Task Force member Zonda has been taken out by Copen, Nova dismisses him as a threat and says that he hopes QUILL and Copen kill each other to save him the trouble of dealing with them.
Nova encounters the Adept test subject Elise, who has the power to revive the dead. Nova manages to win her over and has her revive the Adepts Gunvolt defeated before the game's final stages, and sends the revived Merak to kidnap Joule from Gunvolt's home. After Gunvolt has to destroy a Sumeragi tank in his chase, Nova sends a transmission introducing himself to Gunvolt and thanks him for keeping Joule safe, offering him a large reward of his choice. Gunvolt refuses and is horrified by Nova's plans to use a child to brainwash all Adepts, but Nova says that brainwashing isn't uncommon in their day and age and that he must do it to keep the nation safe.
Once Gunvolt reaches the final stage, Nova gladly welcomes him and presents Joule hooked up to a machine that will use her powers in the desired fashion. He further explains that Copen's father is the one who developed the tech Sumeragi uses to control Adepts, and that he should thank Copen. Nova uses Joule's Septima to power himself up and explains during his battle with Gunvolt that Adepts are dangerous, further adding that there is no time for finding an option besides using Joule, as multiple nations desire Sumeragi's tech and he needs to build an army.
Gunvolt manages to defeat Nova, who marvels at Gunvolt's power and says that he will have to "try" now before changing to his One-Winged Angel form, declaring himself to be above all others. Despite all odds, Gunvolt manages to defeat Nova, who is shocked and horrified by his defeat, telling Gunvolt that he will only know pain from now on and an Adept rebellion is waiting. Nova then explodes, ending his life.
Magnificence?
Nova is a charismatic leader who is polite to allies and enemies alike. He looks down on others because of his immense power, but nevertheless keeps up his polite behavior. Side materials suggest that he loathes Gunvolt for being what he failed to be, but you'd never guess that from their interactions. He's just that good. And even if his methods stick him straight into villainy, he's committing his crimes in the name of world peace. In fact, once he's dead, the second game shows that Sumeragi pretty much fell apart without him.
Is he a bastard?
Man experiments on children and plans on enslaving an entire race.
Too much?
...But he does so in the name of peace. Nova agrees with Gunvolt that there are methods besides Project Muse, but believes that there is no time. And considering the below candidate, Nova was completely right when he said that Adepts were a threat, giving him reason to believe that he needed to bring peace to the planet through any means necessary.
Conclusion?
I'm admittedly a bit unsure about this one and am only proposing him because my research on the second candidate required me to look a little more into Nova and I decided "sure, why not?". I'll let you guys decide.
Zonda, "The Oracle", is a minor villain in the first game who later serves as the Big Bad of the second game, under her true identity as the priestess and leader of the Adept terrorist organization Eden. Zonda in the first game is introduced as "The Lustful Mirage" as one of Nova's subordinates, but she shows her true colors in the second game where she starts her plan to exterminate humanity and create a paradise for Adepts. Her Septima, Phantasmal Mirror, allows her to create life-like illusions.
What does she do?
Zonda grew up in an orphanage in China with another Adept named Tenjian, who she considered a brother. Once the orphanage shut down from the owner's passing, the children were left in the street and unable to get adopted (despite Tenjian's efforts) because of the anti-Adept sentiment. All of the orphans except Zonda and Tenjian died one by one, and a seemingly-kindhearted man gave them apples that turned out to be poisoned. The barely-surviving Tenjian proceeded to kill everyone in the area except for himself and Zonda, and the two of them began their goal to wipe out humanity and create a paradise for Adepts.
Eden launched a failed attack on Sumeragi a year before the events of the first game, serving as a diversion to allow Zonda to infiltrate the country. Taking on the form of an androgynous 17-year old, Zonda joined Sumeragi as one of its most powerful and respected members, but kept her origins and general information a mystery. She spent her time at Sumeragi stealing their technology and learning about their experiment to transfer the Septima of a girl named Mytyl to Joule, and had several failed attempts to kidnap Joule.
During the events of the first game, Zonda is tracked down by QUILL member Zeno. Zonda defeats him and retreats to Sinner's Row. Gunvolt begins to track down Zonda's male disguised form, who enthusiastically toys with Gunvolt using "his" illusions as a display of love. Copen has arrived in the area too as part of his Adept hunting, so Zonda leaves a mirror clone to be taken out by Copen right in front of Gunvolt, as is thus presumed dead.
Moving onto the second game, with Nova dead and Sumeragi in shambles, Zonda and her seven warriors "The Seven" begins their plan to restart Project Muse to their benefit. Zonda has Tenjian and Teseo hijack Sumeragi airship "The Seraph" and rig it to crash into a skyscraper to draw out Gunvolt, who by this point has Joule and her septima fused inside of him. Mytyl, who is living with Copen as her sickly sister, is ordered to be kidnapped by Asroc and placed onto the airship to draw out Copen, who runs into Zonda on the way. Zonda takes the opportunity to taunt Copen before leaving.
Gunvolt and Copen's combined efforts (not intentionally working as a team, but both just happening to be working on the same goal and their methods succeeding) stop The Seraph, and Tenjian freezes them both in place. Zonda arrives once again and uses her powers to seal Joule inside of a mirror that is then shattered so that her powers can be distributed among The Seven. Zonda then reveals her true form: a soft-spoken little girl, who declares her true nature as the leader of Eden and her goal to create a paradise for all Adepts. At the urging of Tenjian, Zonda reluctantly leaves before proclaiming that she does everything she does for the sake of love. Gunvolt and Copen each manage to get one mirror fragment, Gunvolt hoping to gather them all to restore Joule to her full power, and Copen finding out that Mytyl's condition improves with the shard (he doesn't know the truth about her being a former Adept) and deciding to get the rest of the shards too.
The two heroes begin to fight The Seven to gather the shards, and once three members are killed, Zonda holds a prayer for her fallen comrades. Zonda urges the panicking soldiers to remain calm as their sacrifices are needed to reach their utopia, but that they still must offer a prayer. After the fourth member is defeated, Zonda orders her troops to return to The Garden and has one of The Seven kidnap Mytyl again as per the final stages of the plan. Watching over the heroes giving chase and battling the remaining members, Zonda prays that no more sacrifices will be needed.
In the final stage, Zonda creates mirror copies of The Seven to fight Gunvolt and Copen, and welcomes them once they reach her. If playing as Gunvolt, Zonda explains that she intends on using Joule's Septima to amplify the Septimas of Adepts worldwide to give them the power to subjugate humanity. If playing as Copen, Zonda will explain the truth behind Mytyl's past and points out the irony that Copen has devoted himself to wiping out all Adepts when his beloved sister is one. She turns into her Sumeragi disguise and fights the heroes, only for the body to turn out to be yet another mirror copy and the real Zonda is deeper inside.
Once whichever character the player is using arrives, Zonda uses Mytyl to steal the mirror shards (and with them, whatever remained of Joule) they gathered and transform into her One-Winged Angel form, where she has the power to warp reality. If playing as Gunvolt, Zonda will brush off his cries for Joule by saying that she studied the data from his battles with Nova and The Seven so that she could completely cut off Joule's consciousness (unlike how she could still interfere when Nova used her power) and create a perfect fusion compared to how Nova merely controlled Joule's power. Gunvolt has to do his best to fight without Joule's powers, and Zonda eventually tires of him and begins to use her powers to tear apart his mind and body. Gunvolt, using a Chekhov's Gun to be able to regain Joule's powers, cancels out Zonda's reality-warping and can continue to fight back. If playing as Copen, Zonda will be asked by him if she is planning on becoming a god, to which she replies that she is "strongly considering it" as per her plan to become a guide for all Adepts. Once the heroes defeat her, Zonda is left in disbelief that she managed to lose even with Joule's Septima and is horrified that her paradise is doomed. Zonda tearfully calls out to Tenjian before she dies, taking Eden's threat with her.
Magnificence?
Zonda has two sides to herself, both of which have magnificence. Her Sumeragi personality is a gloriously-flamboyant Large Ham who considers love the answer to everything and is polite even to their enemies. They also mention that they believe in Nova's goal to use Joule to bring peace to the world. True Zonda from the second game keeps Sumeragi Zonda's polite demeanor and good intentions, but intends that peace for Adepts and replaces the flamboyant and over-the-top aspects of her disguised form with an elegant and calm serenity. She is loved and respected by all of Eden as their goddess, and she shares the same love. Zonda uses Nova to achieve her own goals and enacts her plan once he is taken out, essentially taking advantage of the one who was supposed to stop people like her.
Is she a bitch?
She wants to commit genocide, directly kills at least two children (Mytyl and Joule die from Zonda's final transformation in case that wasn't clear), and mocks Copen for the irony of his sister being an Adept.
Too much?
...But she still really wants the best for Adepts. While her interactions with Copen are up for debate, her "love" for Gunvolt seems like genuine affability, with him even being offered by Tenjian (it's courtesy) to join Eden right after Zonda leaves with the mirror shards the first time. She cares for The Seven and really believes that humanity has to go to create a better world for Adepts.
Conclusion?
I'm uncertain about Nova, but am confident that Zonda is a keeper.
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
Got Arianna's write-up and shiz done. It can go after Kamali's entry on the YMMV page. Also since this season only ended recently, I did put in some spoilered out information.
- Strike Back: Vendetta: Arianna Demachi, also known as Elena Stabokina, is a prominent crime lord within the Albanian Mafia. Knowing that her family is drowning in debt, Arianna pushes for her husband, Edon, to go through with dealing a bioweapon to terrorists. After Edon is killed by Section 20, she vows for revenge against the whole team. Teaming up with Zayef, Arianna has him kill Thomas McAllister, and later uses her resources to assassinate other members within the Albanian Mafia so she can take over. As she acquires access to an arms cache to exchange with Zayef for millions of dollars, she also lures Section 20 into a trap and continues to secure her position in the syndicate, even going as far as murdering her son, Loric when he attempts to overthrow her. After being called back to work for her Russian superiors, Arianna has a team kidnap Manisha Chetri, where she and her cohorts interrogate Chetri to try and acquire a hard drive containing valuable information. When Chetri destroys the information, Arianna simply kills her moments before Section 20 can rescue her. Knowing her superiors will eventually have her killed, Arianna betrays the Russian government, stealing $250 million and swapping it out with counterfeit cash.
Also might be another day or so before discussing Over High Seas. Some shiz and things have come up.
I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
43, check the Drafts; I added some potholes for Dawes I wanna say yesterday.
Ravok: Mysterio seems like a cut, but threatening the life of an infant's not bad enough to be an automatic disqualifier?
As for the Knightfall dude, does he provoke/instigate the antisemitism, or just make use of it? If the latter, fine, but if the former, I'd be a bit wary. Even if he still IS a WIE.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
hmmm...Zonda seems like she's a stronger keep than Nova.
Honestly leaning yeah on both Azure candidates: neither have breakdowns that seem too extreme and in spite of the horrible shit both do, they are fighting for what they believe will be a better world.
Fair point, too. Yea to both
The Draftsman of Doom
Echoing ACW on Knightfall. I mean, I am fine with the candidate keeping so long as he didn't incite actual bigotry, even lacking bigotry himself.
Also, as uncomfortable as I am with inhumane experiments, those conducted with actual benevolent intentions do not seem to mitigate this item as much as I believed it would for me. Sure to both Azure candidates.
I forgot he was manipulating existing circumstances. Keeping my yes. Sorry for wasting your time.
Ok, I will try not to complicate the voting process by being particular or repetitive about mitigating factors.
Edited by SkyCat32 on May 3rd 2020 at 4:45:29 AM
Rawr.
I answered this in the effortpost. It exists and he also ramps it up. You knew this when you voted the first time, change it or don't however you want.
Edited by Lightysnake on May 3rd 2020 at 1:33:34 AM
Sky you repeat your stance on various random things at any given opportunity... can you in general please just give a rest to "My feeling about X is Y but if A and B, then never will I C, that's just something I can't do."?
Anyways we good for the drafts to run at they are?
Done.
Edited by 43110 on May 3rd 2020 at 4:48:45 AM
Speaking of de Nogaret, I feel he should probably have Evil Chancellor potholed either at his name or somewhere in "one of the chief powers behind the French throne."
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
If it already exists, I'll give him a VERY, VERY tentative yes; it's helped that he "only"(?) wants to expel them and not kill them.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
De Nogaret is about settled anyways. Anyone else on Kirby’s? Welcome btw.
to Axlerod. He is too petty and his defeat does not make him impressive. I personally actually think Cars 2 gets a bum rap though.
Again, could the Borden Twins from The Prestige also count or would they fit more under Guile Hero?
Edited by futuremoviewriter on May 3rd 2020 at 3:23:45 AM
Here's an attempt on a tree for the two investigations games counting the approved Dogen.
- Ace Attorney Investigations Miles Edgeworth:
- Original game: Years before the events of the game, the nameless spy for the Cohdopian smuggling ring created the fake identity of a playful defense attorney named Calisto Yew, pretending to be the sister of a woman murdered by the smuggling ring. She acted as one of the three members of the group, Yatagarasu, who were investigating the smuggling ring, with intentions to sabotage the group from the inside. She sets up prosecutor Byrne Faraday to be accused of being the Yatagarasu by criminal, Mack Rell, before murdering them both, quickly placing suspicion on Detective Gumshoe when deduced that the two couldn’t have killed each other. Even when Edgeworth reveals that she’s the true murderer, the spy manages to trick Edgeworth into giving her the Yatagarasu’s key, her true objective, before escaping arrest. Later creating the persona of Shih-na, an enigmatic right hand woman to Shi-Long Lang, the spy acted as a mole within Interpol, and leaked information to the smuggling ring. When Quercus Alba murders the traitorous Manny Coachen, the spy creates a fire in order for the two to move the corpse between embassies to create confusion of where the crime scene occured. After Shi-Long Lang saves her life from Tyrell Badd, the spy gracefully accepts defeat and out of gratitude, gives information to Edgeworth to help him discover the truth about the case.
- Investigations 2: The nefarious yet seemingly affable Simon Keyes, a circus animal trainer, poses as an innocent defendant while truly manipulating the entire game's events from the shadows. In the first two cases, Keyes sees to it an assassination attempt on the president's body double is foiled; and convinces Miles Edgeworth to go against the Prosecutorial Investigation Committee (PIC) and defend him in court. Intercepting the correspondence between a blind assassin and a friend who had betrayed him, Keyes tricks the Prison Warden into killing his former friend. In the fourth case Keyes sets up the Chairman of the PIC to kill an attorney, then have Miles—who has been stripped of his Prosecutor Badge—defend the amnesiac Kay Faraday for the murder. Even when defeated by Miles in the end, Keyes congratulates his Worthy Opponent and ultimately succeeds in "taking care of" all of his own and Dogen's enemies.
- Sirhan Dogen is the former blind assassin responsible for killing the former president of Zheng Fa, along with the primary supplier of the prison, having blackmailed the Warden Patricia Roland, into giving him and other prisoners anything they wanted with the threat of her life. Standing up to De Killer to save his adopted son, as well as able to outwit Edgeworth, and letting himself be arrested so he could get revenge on his enemies, Dogen executes with Keyes a masterful revenge plot to get every single one of their enemies convicted. When Keyes falls under suspicion for the murder, Dogen has his attack dog take the victim's body into the prison and removes the chisel to decrease suspicion on Keyes. When confronted later on about being the mastermind, Dogen gracefully accepts defeat and reveals that the mastermind is his "acolyte" who's life he saved as a child. Affable, deceptive, and cunning, Dogen got his desire of having a new cellmate in Keyes.
Goku Black
Nova and zonda.
Future, again... can you vote on anything else other than Axlerod who’s clearly been deemed a non keeper? Maybe the Azure duo we’re clearly talking about right now instead of hypothesizing about something else?
Also this:
Multimedia
Scripts and Screenplays
Edited by 43110 on May 3rd 2020 at 4:55:18 AM