Finally, in "Breakout" parts 1 and 2, we see the Wendigo, the threat of the previously mentioned episode, inside the Raft, one of the supervillain prisons. "But," you say, "the Wendigoes were reverted back to normal in that same episode." Not necessarily - one, it can't be based off of the Wendigo from the comics, because that character can't exist outside of Canada. And two, whose to say that S.H.I.E.L.D. didn't create another one and then imprison it in the Raft in order to cover it up? The beast clearly went out of its way to desecrate a S.H.I.E.L.D. insignia, almost as if it were personal...
- This show has some of the same writers Wolverine and the X-Men (2009) did, so this is possible.
- After the raw deal the showrunners of Wolverine and the X-Men with the abrupt cancellation of the series it wouldn't suprise anyone if Avengers ended up being a Spiritual Successor.
- And Steve Blum doing Wolverine's voice to boot.
- Granted, a lot of the stuff so far does support that idea, but Steven Blum as the voice of Wolverine is itself not proof of it being in the same universe as he'd also voiced Wolverine in a lot of other stuff, too (X-Men Legends, Hulk Vs., Marvel vs. Capcom, The Super Hero Squad Show, Spider-Man: Web of Shadows, Marvel Ultimate Alliance...). Fred Tatasciore, the voice of The Hulk was did the voice in a lot of stuff, but that said, the voice of Bruce Banner was also from Wolverine and the X-Men, so that also supports it. The different art style can be written off as Art Shift. The placement of Fury's eyepatch is correct in this version.
- Confirmed during the live blog for "Living Legend." A screenshot of the relevant information can be seen here.◊
- Considering the Fantastic Four are now semi-regular supporting characters as of Season 2, I wouldn't be surprised if everybody's favorite mutants put in an appearance in the third season. They definitely exist in this universe, but they might have to iron out some legal difficulties to get away with giving them speaking roles.
- Considering this show, Wolverine and the X-Men, and The Super Hero Squad Show were all made by the same people, there aren't such legal difficulties to iron out.
There was a halfhearted attempt at this in the 1990s with Spider-Man: The Animated Series, X-Men: The Animated Series, Fantastic Four: The Animated Series, Iron Man: The Animated Series, and The Incredible Hulk (1996); but there were too many showrunners and production companies involved to pull it off then. Wolverine and the X-Men and Avengers share the same production team. With The DCAU effectively ended with the conclusion of Justice League, there is now an opening.
- We'll have to wait and see, but if Ultimate Spider-Man ends up taking place in the same universe, this could be confirmed.
- The idea that Ultimate Spider-Man will take place in the same universe as A:EMH has most likely been skunked, as USM apparently has a demonstrably different Nick Fury.
- Fury in Avengers is different from Fury in Wolverine and the X-Men (2009), and yet they're confirmed to be one and the same. Maybe he got tired of the white hair and got a haircut. Also, no one said it has to take place at the same time, just in the same universe. Ultimate Spider-Man may even take place before Avengers.
- The fact that Cap appears in Ultimate Spider-Man completely josses the idea that it takes place before Avengers. Why can't people just accept that they are NOT in the same universe?
- Fury loves to use those Life Model Decoys as seen in " Breakout" so who's to say he wasn't using one in "Wolverine?"
- Fury in Avengers is different from Fury in Wolverine and the X-Men (2009), and yet they're confirmed to be one and the same. Maybe he got tired of the white hair and got a haircut. Also, no one said it has to take place at the same time, just in the same universe. Ultimate Spider-Man may even take place before Avengers.
- Eric Loomis doesn't voice Iron Man in Ultimate Spiderman. Does this theory seem invalid now?
- Tim Daly doesn't voice Superman in Justice League and yet it's still the same character in the same continuity.
- Though Fury is voiced by someone different too(Chi McBride)
- But Marvel Animation has pushed back the second season so it would coincide with the premiere of Ultimate Spider-Man even though season 2 is almost completed.
- Also, the villain Blizzard seems to have the same look in Avengers:EMH and Ultimate Spider-Man, that could imply a connection.
- Living Laser and Klaw, however, do not. Dr. Doom is also stated to be younger and not at his full Latverian power in USM, unlike in A:EMH. And even if USM takes place before Avengers, the fact that Klaw is in both and had his supervillain transformation in Avengers, invalidates this. Unless there's two sound-powered villains named Klaw.
- What about Luke Cage and Iron Fist: adults in EMH and teens in USM
- But Spidey himself is voiced by Drake Bell as he is in USM, and he seems to be a bit older than he is in his own show (it was even mentioned that he was operating before the Avengers formed).
- He was originally voiced by Josh Keaton, so that doesn't really matter. Besides, the points about Klaw and Luke Cage/Iron Fist completely cut out any chance of them being in the same universe.
- Well, he was supposed to be voiced by Josh Keaton but they couldn't get him, so that makes little difference, and it was mentioned before that it's still possible that Ultimate Spider-Man takes place before Avengers. Besides, there could be two super-villains named named Klaw (or that the android Klaw is the creation of the human Klaw).
- Wrong, they did get Keaton back—he even admitted to doing recording for EMH, hence why the above person said "originally voiced" and why Keaton's listed as "The Other Marty" on the trivia page—but someone (generally believed to be Quesada and/or Loeb) decided to do redub with Bell.
- He was originally voiced by Josh Keaton, so that doesn't really matter. Besides, the points about Klaw and Luke Cage/Iron Fist completely cut out any chance of them being in the same universe.
- That would be AWESOME.
- Tony hitting on Wonder Woman. You know it would be as hilarious as Flash hitting on Wasp.Flash: So your guy can control ants and shrink? Kinda lame.Wasp: He can also grow larger. You?Flash: I'm... really fast.
- Hulk and Hawkgirl teaming up would be the best though.
- It would be somewhat heartbreaking as Hulk would remind Shayera of Solomon Grundy.
- Getting back to the original guess though, the idea of this show being a literal counterpoint to the DCAU seems kinda flat when you consider that they plan on shutting down the current series after 52 episodes, and the fact that DCAU lasted for 13 years (a very long time for TV shows, especially animated ones). I'd say this show is more of an equivalent to the first series of Justice League, with a little bit of Justice League Unlimited mixed in. Same number of episodes directly, built on conflicts both big and small, theoretical politics between the lines, guest heroes show up in certain episodes, villains coming together to defend themselves from the heroes, a growing universe and cosmos, well known heavy hitters being supported by other heroes that grow to be just as popular as the more obvious ones, and a sizable fanbase outside the target demographic with not as many reservations to pull intense punches. It's far from perfect in comparison, but it seems more appropriate given the situation.
- Graviton: Jossed. He didn't wake up until after everything was under way, and merely took advantage of the fact to wreak some havoc/revenge.
- Loki: He definitely has a long-term plan going, and his "Nobody's ready for what comes next" makes it sound like he's got something big in the immediate works. He's also the Arch-Enemy of one of the major Avengers. Seems very possible.
- Loki and HYDRA are the most likely choices. Loki was also responsible for unintentionally causing the Avengers to form in the comics.
- Having Enchantress recruit Baron Zemo for his Masters of Evil seems to help support this.
- It does Keep Thor out of Asgard
- Confirmed as of "The Fall of Asgard". Loki set up both the breakout and the Masters of Evil to keep Thor busy until he was ready to deal with him.
- The Leader: While a certified Chessmaster and Arch-Enemy of the Hulk, he gives the impression more of simply taking advantage of the breakout, rather than causing it. Besides, he was locked up.
- It's probably not him, since he was pondering what caused it himself. That said, he is taking advantage of it and making the Cube his new base.
- Not him: During the break out episode, the leader says something along the lines of It appears that whatever happened in the cube, is also happened in the big house and the vault, so he did not really know what was going on.
- Mad Thinker: Seems unlikely- he just predicted the breakout, but didn't appear to cause it.
- We know it wasn't Mad Thinker, but how exactly did he know it was coming? Especially considering who DID orcestrate it?
- Kang: Possible, though from the micro-episodes it doesn't really seem like this version's style.
- Kang isn't a saint however and if it would help his goals, he'd do it.
- Jossed, most likely, by "The Man Who Stole Tomorrow". Kang didn't arrive in the present until long after the breakout, though with his being a time-traveller you can't be entirely sure.
- Klaw: Admittedly I'm not at all familiar with the character from other media, but this version of him comes off as more of a (comparatively) small-time arms dealer. His pulling off something this big doesn't seem feasible.
- He's highly intelligent, so he could pull it it off.He's not an arms dealer either. That said, it doesn't match his current goals, so it's probably not him. .
- HYDRA: The micro-episodes built up HYDRA very clearly as one of the big threats out there, and if the Skull is still in charge behind the scenes, he's Captain America's Arch Enemy. Also, Black Widow's up to something with them. Likely suspect.
- Considering she walked by Hill and Wasp a bit before the break out, it could be Widow. Strucker did say something would go down soon.
- First off, Strucker didn't say anything, Nick inferred it from his silence. Second, I imagine that what was going down was the Grim Reaper's breakout attempt.
- Except it seems Grim Reaper saw the breakout coming and it seems Strucker did as well. It's possible this was the back-up plan in case Reaper's first attempt to free him failed.
- When do they ever hint that either of them saw the breakout coming? They're sitting in their cells reacting just like everyone else.
- Most of the villains were confused when it happened, but quickly took it as a chance to escape. Reaper and Strucker reacted calmly, Reaper didn't look surprised and even smiled. Alternatively, it could have been the Red Skull.
- This is an extremely strong candidate. After all, Hydra has the international and technological means, the motive for causing chaos before their rise, and the opportunity with moles and soldiers everywhere in S.H.I.E.L.D. The one problem with this theory is that Baron Strucker seemed mildly surprised that Baron Zemo escaped as well. If HYDRA was behind all 4 prisons failing, why would Strucker be surprised that his old boss would have the resilience to escape the raft? Although it could have been more of a, "Ah, so you made it out just like us."
- Considering she walked by Hill and Wasp a bit before the break out, it could be Widow. Strucker did say something would go down soon.
- Doom: He's got the smarts and resources to pull it off, and Iron Man just antagonized him, but he's mostly a Fantastic Four bad guy. Seems unlikely.
- Mad Thinker and Red Ghost are F4 villains too, so it's not unlikely at all. Doom is also an Avengers villain anyway. Either way, Doom is making an appearance on the show eventually.
- The Breakout episode begins with Iron Man stopping a AIM weapon sell out to Doom's Latveria and warns Doom's mook that he is going to chase whomever steals his weapons, including Doom. It is certainly strange that the same day Iron Man messes with Dr. Doom, the breakout happens.
- I'd count that as evidence against it. Doom's good. Doom's damn good. But Doom isn't good enough to covertly arrange the break out of three of the most secure prisons in the world within a matter of hours. If it had happened the next day, maybe. But the same day? And besides, Doom would go for retribution on a much more personal level, and he'd want Stark to know it was him.
- Wasp. She wanted to be a superhero so badly she wasn't afraid to cross a few lines to do it.
- This troper thinks its the most possible answer, and an interesting twist. She may have also done it so Henry Pym would be a superhero with her, and show the futility in rehabilitating villains. She was in S.H.I.E.L.D. HQ when the breakout occurred. In "Some Assembly Required", she was bored with the Avengers just sitting around talking. And noticed that she interrupted them when one of them wonders what caused the breakout. Though she may not have done it all on her own...
- But how would she have done it? All she could do is shrink and shoot wires with Bio-energy. She's not supersmart, not a super planner. She doesn't have godlike superpowers. How would the tiny wasp have stung S.H.I.E.L.D. so bad that they lost all 4 of their major prisons? Wouldn't one of them been enough?
- Obfuscating Stupidity, Wasp is much smarter than she acts. She has a solid grasp on the basics of Hank's work (at least) and is savvy enough to be his financial handler and keep his research going (and do you really think Hank would fall for a woman that can't keep up with him intellectually anyway?). Hank helped build at least one of the prisons S.H.I.E.L.D. was using and was probably consulted for the others. It really wouldn't be that hard for her to find out how to take them out, especially if the prisons are networked in some way.
- M.O.D.O.K.: ...For what reason, not sure.
- Maybe to get rid of or distract his rivals?
- Odin:
- To teach Thor a lesson?
- New theory: The Skrulls are behind it like in the comics.
- Ultron
- Seems unlikely, as Ultron (or his predecessors) was only used at the Big House and, unless they hacked the S.H.I.E.L.D. network, wouldn't have been able to affect the other prisons. Also, given that Pym is still seen upgrading Ultron later, it's very possible those early synthezoids weren't smart enough to go evil- now, on the other hand...
- Yellow Jacket: Hank fell under the influence a year ago and programmed the prisons to open after exactly one year.
- Maria Hill: Her actions as of late have her trying to snatch up as much power as possible, to the point of trying to forcibly conscript the Avengers into S.H.I.E.L.D.'s own personal superhuman army. This is in direct contrast to Fury's tendency to work with the Avengers. Fury wanted full disclosure, but Hill wants absolute control. She is the mole attempting to play Hydra and S.H.I.E.L.D against each other in an effort to seize power for herself.
- Okay, I know we long know who did it and the show's been over fore years, but given that the whole Breakout origin is based on New Avengers serieious, is no one gonna mention Electro, the guy that did it in the comics?
- Yes,it will probably be something Gamma related. As for how letting Hulk be in control works, remember that Banner left him in control during the Planet Hulk story in the comics too.
- Hulk can't maintain his form forever anyway according to the comics. Once sufficiently fatigued, he will revert to Banner, until the next time Banner Hulks out.
- Of course , he has such a high stamina, getting fatigued probably won't be a problem. For most situations anyway.
- The triggers for Banner's transformations both to and from the Hulk fall squarely under Depending on the Writer. That being said, post Gammaworld it's possible he transforms back offscreen every so often to help with the science stuff.
- Hulk can't maintain his form forever anyway according to the comics. Once sufficiently fatigued, he will revert to Banner, until the next time Banner Hulks out.
- Yup, it happened in "Gammaworld".
- Sort of a no brainer, Hulk demanded full control, so lets assume he does get fatigued, due to Banner's Deal with the Jerkass he has to re Hulk out off screen. Course now his willpower and focus is at a all time low as we saw in Gamma World.
- In "Nightmare in Red" it's revealed that Hulk lets Banner out one day a month.
- There is also when Lecturing Hank, she specifically mentions "our Abilities" and "your inventions" for Superheroics. The only way her abilities are good for Super heroics is if they are different from His inventions, giving more credence to this theory.
- Oh wow. There's also the fact that Whirlwind, the only established mutant, seems to be her personal nemesis. She also calls him out on abusing his powers, which would be interesting if she gained her's in the same way.
- Mind you Whirlwind was a mutant in the comics too, even though he is an Avengers villain.
- Hank did mention, in Captain America's re-introductory episode, that Janet's energy blasts are bio-electric in nature, leaning more towards a confirmation of this guess.
- And what about Wasp saying the origin of her abilities was "complicated"? Add that fuel to the fire too.
- They were bio-electric in the regular universe too though. Saying the origin of her abilities were "complicated" is a good hint though.
- To me though, having a special set of genes that allow you to size-shift seems a hell of a lot less "complicated" than being given powers via the Pym Particles... in fact, that was the whole reason Stan Lee created Mutants in the comic universe, was so he would have a far less complicated origin for a large group of characters.
- She was saying that to get them off the topic.
- Taking this further, Hank could have created Pym Particles from studying Wasp's powers. It would be interesting if the reason Hank and Janet are in a relationship is because Hank thought Janet's powers were cool and amazing and wanted to learn about them rather than shunning her for being a mutant. Hank in this universe seems like he would be very pro-mutant rights, so perhaps that endears him to Janet.
- In their introductory Micro-Episode Janet mentions she's the one who makes it all possible. She then explains she manages his life, but....
- Does it mean that one of the reasons why Hank is reluctant to use violence against mutant supervilains is because he knows thanks to her that all mutants are not evil?
- Also, notice that whenever Hank uses his powers, he has to use the Pym Particles and he starts to glow Kirby Dots. Janet? She doesn't glow and no part of her costume hints that there are Pym Particles anywhere on her person.
- Possibly CONFIRMED as of "Ultron-5", seeing as she grew to Giant-Man size to smash down Ultron.
- She could go giant in the 616 universe too, just didn't do it often.
- And noticed how the Pym Particles seemed to glow from inside her
- Also, the Mutant Response Division is active in Avengers and their policy is to "register" mutants by detaining them in prison. This would give Jan a very good reason to claim her powers are Hank's doing. A possible story line in season two would be Jan being "outed" and having to deal with the backlash, maybe making for A Very Special Episode about tolerance.
- Other possible factors:- while Jan can size shift, she doesn't do it to the same extent as Hank. Hank shrinks smaller than she does, and grows much larger for longer periods. When Jan grew large it hurt her. Possibly Jans abilities were useless (Well it did make her a great clothes horse) before Hank started going wow, and enhancing her abilities with technology. Jan has to rely on her internal store, whereas Hank has a much better - if artificial - battery. This also explains the Wasps varying blast strength, depending upon how charged she is,: and why Hank was so worried when she grew to normal size when she first fought whirlwind. He assumed Jan had run out of energy when in fact she was saving it, so she could release all of it, at once, in her blast.
Jossed in the tie-in comics.
- Talk about They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot. Anyone mind if I use some of these in my fanscript of an Ant-Man movie?
- Things could get even more complicated if we add Enchantress to the mix.
- Ooh, that could be fun. A Hospital Hottie, an Action Girl, and a Dark Magical Girl all competing for the same god!
- That could be a great reality show.
- Ooh, that could be fun. A Hospital Hottie, an Action Girl, and a Dark Magical Girl all competing for the same god!
- Noticed in the micro-episode "My Brother, My Enemy", Sif is apparently upset Thor decides to remain on Earth.
- In "The Ballad of Beta Ray Bill", she overhears Thor missing Jane Foster. She looked heartbroken and bewildered by Thor's interest in mortals.
- And then she, Hawkeye, and Agent Morse/Mockingbird will enter a Love Triangle. This troper really likes those, can you tell?
- Actually, in the comics Black Widow was with the KGB before joining the Avengers as a spy, so it's not like the show in that case. That said, a love triangle with Hawkeye, Black Widow, and Mockingbird is likely; it did seem like Hawkeye had a crush on her.
- This being the case, she was probably shocked when Hawkeye left her near the Gamma Dome when she wanted to help.
- No, that would fit more with her being a mole the whole time- holy @$%#! If that becomes Canon, she could suddenly be a really interesting character. (Not that she wasn't already, but...) Question is, how would that work? How could her actions be explained into working for S.H.I.E.L.D.? Did Fury tell her to do anything necessary to maintain her role? What will Hawkeye's reaction be?!
- This scenario seems much more plausible given the recent episode "Widow's Sting". Her saving Hawkeye at the end and lying to Strucker about it, and ESPECIALLY Nick Fury's dialogue practically scream "Fake Defector!" Conceivably, Fury and Widow have been purposefully playing Hawkeye all along to establish her cover (remember when Strucker told the Widow just before they attempted to escape "And to think I doubted your loyalty."?)
- Hawkeye's reaction? He'll take his anger out on Fury for setting it all up, especially when Widow framed him.
- No, that would fit more with her being a mole the whole time- holy @$%#! If that becomes Canon, she could suddenly be a really interesting character. (Not that she wasn't already, but...) Question is, how would that work? How could her actions be explained into working for S.H.I.E.L.D.? Did Fury tell her to do anything necessary to maintain her role? What will Hawkeye's reaction be?!
- CONFIRMED. As of "Hail Hydra" its confirmed that Black Widow is not a traitor but really a mole working for Fury AND she and Clint kiss as the end of the episode setting up a Love Triangle between them and Mockingbird.
- Technically jossed by Hail Hydra: she was a mole all along, so there was no need for a Heel–Face Turn to ditch Hydra.
- Cap will be upset at Nick Fury's methods. He'll tell him he's nothing like his father and chose to rejoin the Avengers.
- Maybe because of him is what led Captain America to unknowingly betray his team in the upcoming Skrull-Kree war on Earth.
- Related to the WMG above, Nick Fury tells Caps he's "grown up" and tells him he should "get it."
- Jossed. In "The Fall of Asgard", Cap sees the ghosts of the Howling Commandos in the Realm of the Dead, including Jack Fury.
- It's unclear if this is actually Jack Fury or just an illusion cooked up to seduce Cap. Cap even states that the Jack Fury he knew would never encourage anyone to give up and/or surrender.
- Except if it was an illusion, why didn't Hela's illusion include Bucky? The lack of Bucky seems to imply tha those were real spirits.
- Because Bucky was Cap's sidekick while Jack Fury was his superior. He might have more inclination to listen to the seasoned veteran than he does the kid. Also the "Spirits" included James Howlett, AKA Wolverine and you know damn well that he isn't dead.
- Yeah, because X-Men always stay alive, and if they die they always stay dead.
- Bucky is Cap's best friend though. If the point was to convince him to stay, why not complete the whole set?
- Because Bucky isn't dead anymore. Cap subconsciously brought him back when he touched the Cosmic Cube, even though all he really wanted to do was stop Strucker.
- The "Howling Commando's are just an illusion" theory makes more sense when you remember that Nifelheim in Marvel Universe is for the dishonored dead, not heroes like them.
- It's unclear if this is actually Jack Fury or just an illusion cooked up to seduce Cap. Cap even states that the Jack Fury he knew would never encourage anyone to give up and/or surrender.
- Theory one, The Red Skull finds his body and brainwashes him himself. What better way to stick it to his Arch Enemy, than to use his old partner as a hired gun?
- Theory two, Kang is the one that does it. He seems to have it out for Cap, since he belives he's does something that will put the future in danger.
- Theory three, General Ross. He's not a fan or S.H.I.E.L.D. or (presumably) the Avengers and his own Super-Soldier would help even the odds.
- To add fuel to the fire, they named dropped Lukin in the episode "Widow's sting". Lukin was introduced early on in Brubakers Captain America and he had the Winter Soldier working for him until Bucky broke free of the brainwashing.
- This has become even more likely since "Hail Hydra" where it is shown that Bucky did die when the rocket exploded but that thanks to Caps wish with the cosmic cube he survived though with injuries very similar to the ones he had in the comics
- Confirmed in the episode Winter Soldier.
- Then at some point, Jane will become "Thordis, Goddess of Thunder".
- We shouldn't count Widow out, though it's probably not any time soon.
- True. The above WMG about her being a good mole could be right.
- We shouldn't count Widow out, though it's probably not any time soon.
- Scarlett Witch, thus bringing this show and Wolverine and the X-Men (2009) closer together.
- It probably is Mockingbird, since she's seen in some of the trailers.
- Links, please!
- Here! Pause it at 0:12. She's next to Hawkeye.
- Carol Danvers seems to be on the road to becoming Ms. Marvel.
- This has been pretty much confirmed by the writers in the DVD bonus features. Carol will become Ms. Marvel and she will join the Avengers at some point.
- It's Loki. If you look carefully, you can see the outline of his horns.
- Yea, definitely Loki, though it is possible Doom is helping him out.
- There's no possible way it couldn't be Loki. She's got an established connection to him, she freed him from the Isle of Silence. The whole nine yards. The reason he was in shadows is probably because Viewers Are Goldfish and they think it will be a dramatic reveal when Loki makes his move.
- Jossed. It was confirmed as Loki in "This Hostage Earth" and "The Fall of Asgard".
- Apparently CONFIRMED in 'Hail Hydra', but then again, espionage is the game of deceit and death, so there may yet be twists in the tale.
- And they will be War Machine (seeing as we've already met Rhodey), Mockingbird (in trailer), Mar-Vell, and She-Hulk (because she's awesome).
- She-Hulk is unlikely, since we haven't even met Rick Jones or Betty Ross yet and Hulk obviously hasn't given her his blood yet. We probably won't see her this season.
- Deadpool. Because Everything's better with Deadpool. And there is such thing as being a "honorary" member, isn't it?
- Looks like they might be recruiting Ms. Marvel.
- Mockingbird is showing up in the episode "Widow's sting".
- Possibly Bucky if he survived WW2 turned into Winter Soldier then pulls a Heel–Face Turn to the heroes. Also hoping for Moon Knight or Spider-man.
- Until now, we've met Mar-Vell, Ms. Marvel and Wonder Man(If he does a Heel–Face Turn), posibly the 12th could be Rhodey, but we'll see who we meet.
- The Vision has been confirmed to appear in season 2, so he'll probably be in it.
- Spider-Man. In the original comics, Spidey wanted to join the Avengers for some quick cash. It took about four tries before Ol' Web-head became an "honorary" Avenger, so he might appear (probably as a guest, in line with the "honorary" rank, but maybe Tony could probably hook Spidey up with some room in the mansion).
- Wolverine. Due to his secret mutant superpower.
- Ms. Marvel and Vision are definently confirmed to join the team in season 2. Rumors say that Black Widow, Mockingbird, and Falcon will also be joining. (Oh yeah, and someone will be leaving too. My guess is Hulk.)
- Logan's appeared already and was a friend of Cap's and has been an Avenger in the comics; come Season Two it wouldn't be a stretch to see him doing some time as part of the team. The creative team may even finish some of the storylines they wanted to do in Wolverine and the X-Men (2009) like Apocalypse taking over in the future.
- To go into more detail, he probably planned the breakout, possibly manipulating HYDRA into it. According to the Headscratchers page, he sent the Wrecking Crew to get the gamma emitter, which would have lead them to the Leader. He got Enchantress to form the Masters of Evil. He chose a mistress that is canonically head over heels for Thor, and thus would stop at nothing to make him hers. He may have twisted Baron Zemo's knowledge of Hawkeye and Black Panther to make them lose. Why? Perhaps because his brother is pissed off at his father and thus avoiding Asgard, and Loki wants him to stay that way so his plan can commence...
- Which would make Jane Foster the Spanner in the Works...
- Unless she's really the Enchantress....
- Actually, The Wrecking Crew were already working for the Leader (They seem to be gamma villains in this show). Loki had nothing to do with that.
- Which would make Jane Foster the Spanner in the Works...
- Partially confirmed in "The Fall of Asgard". He did cause the breakout and gather the Masters of Evil to keep Thor busy on Earth, while he took over Asgard.
- Or once Ultron inevitably runs amok he might take on the Yellowjacket name to try and distance himself from his past failure.
- At least partially confirmed. Pym's actor has said that the Yellowjacket persona will be appearing in season two, but no official word yet on what will cause the identity change or whether a dissociative mental snap will be involved.
- Perhaps out of the guilt he still carries for Ultron's corruption.
- Yes, he reappears an Ax-Crazy Well-Intentioned Extremist who's a far more aggressive then his former persona.
- As of Ultron-5 and The Fall of Asgard, Janet's safety has become a definite Berserk Button for Pym, as it was in the comics. Possibly more fuel for the fire?
- Except that any and every breakout who-dunnit WMG is jossed, because Word of God says that Loki did it.
Consider: We know all four S.H.I.E.L.D. prisons were involved, but what about the M.R.D. prisons?
- If they're anything like the ones in Wolverine and the X-Men (2009), that may be a good thing. Or not, if they were holding Juggernaut or Magneto.
- They did return with new members, however instead of Klaw or Whirlwind, the team added Grey Gargoyle, Living Laser and Chemistro.
- It's possible that none of them get replaced though. The Avengers in this show are still starting out and are probably not that well known to the Skrull empire.Their main enemies are still probably the Kree or the F4(if Super-Skrull has gotten his powers).
- And now we know who it is Cap, who's replaced at the very end of the season by a Skrull agent.
- And he calls it Hank Junior.
- Or "Little Hank."
- I thik only female ants have wing so, probably not "Little Hank". Besides, he doesn't have that kind of ego.
- If this the case, than the upcoming show "Hulk: Agent of SMASH" will also be part of the same universe. Hulk and Caeira's son will show up from the get go. So will Red Hulk who is debuting on the Avengers second season.
- Confirmed! I Knew It!!
- Especially since Ultron-5 seems to be the only Ultron left.
- As of "The Casket of Ancient Winters" Thor is unable to return to Asgard
- Jossed as of "Hail Hydra", where she's even more hostile and seems to be setting up the superhero registration plotline.
- It's Still possible she'll eventually mellow out, like she did in the comics.
- The betrayal is more likely due to Cap being a Skrull now
- Another crazy idea. There will be civil war but because Cap is a Skrull for now, he and Iron Man will be at diffrent sides. Iron Man will be fighting with S.H.I.E.L.D. and Government intervention (like he should, YMMV) and fake Cap will join registration side.
- Another idea, that betrayal will be because of the "Cosmic Cube". Reality will start to break down. Everyone will tell Cap he has to undo his wish on the Cube (allowing Bucky to live) in order to save the world. But he won't be able to bring himself to kill his friend again. So to prevent the Bad Future from happening, Bucky/Winter Soldier will willingly use the Cube to set things right again, even at the cost of his own existance.
- Jossed as of "Operation: Galactic Storm". Kang was talking about Cap deciding whether or not to save Panther.
- This seems unlikely, since he would then know Cap was in the 21st century without needing to check the historical records.
- He just needed to refresh his memory. He's been alive for so long and bounced back and forth across the timestream so many times that things can get a little muddled.
- This seems unlikely, since he would then know Cap was in the 21st century without needing to check the historical records.
- This actually makes sense. Thor was the original one who "provoked" hulk to leave the team, and subsequently Hulk unearthed Captain America. Because the Avengers Formed without Hulk in Kang's timeline (all screwy alternate history aside), his subsequent unearthing of Captain America changed something so that somehow the Captain caused the end of the world (possibly in conjunction with him fighting his skrull half)
- But how would the Skrulls replace him, or duplicate his power? How would they even get to Asgard in the first place? Most likely, Odin with two eyes is just because of Rule of Cool.
- I thought this at first too, but when Ultron scanned her mind, he found out the security codes for the helicarrier, plus wouldn't he have seen that she was a Skrull by doing that? Although whether or not he would have cared is a question... But still, would a skrull know the codes for S.H.I.E.L.D.?
- Yes, because at that time she was the director of S.H.I.E.L.D.
- Very true....
- Or she's just stupid.
- Have in mind that in the comic book invasion, the Skrulls did not aim to the characters at the top of the command lines, but to minor ones around them. Spider-woman or Jarvis were not exactly Iron Man or Nick Fury. Neither it happened during the Chitauri invasion in the Ultimates. So, if the skrulls are going to replace anyone, I would bet on Pepper Potts, Jane Foster, or some S.H.I.E.L.D. red shirts.
- In the series, we've had Skrulls impersonating the Invisible Woman, Viper, and even Captain frigging America. The three of them hold some position of command or importance for their respective teams/organizations. So while the Skrulls' strategy of impersonating minor civilians and the like, it's not like they've refrained from replacing major characters or anything.
- This changed timeline may have been what caused Kang's timeline to be erased. After all, Kang said Captain America shouldn't be alive.
- "Nightmare in Red" suggests the Cosmic Cube played a role in the disaster: Without Bucky, Ross wouldn't have gotten the Hulk blood, Red Hulk wouldn't have framed the Incredible Hulk of terrorizing S.H.I.E.L.D., and the Avengers wouldn't have lost the Incredible Hulk to the Hulkbusters. That loss will apparently advance the Skrulls' plans.
- Captain America referred to Hank as Giant Man in "Come the Conqueror."
- And again in the Asguard Arc.
- The A wasn't capitalized in both instances
- How do you capitalize a SPOKEN word?
- Captions/Subtitles
- How do you capitalize a SPOKEN word?
- C'mon. If you go deep cover as Captain freaking America, you're gonna go good in time.
- Of course they still have to deal with the Kree and Skrulls going at it.
- There is something to this, as Skrull Cap did prevent the Avengers from completely breaking up. He could be just wanting to spy on them some more, but wouldn't it be more convenient to splinter them instead, make the heroes weaker? I think there's a possibility that there might be some Becoming the Mask moments coming up.
- Technically, he went undercover as Ultimate Captain America, who's a complete jerk.
- Skrull Cap had no reason to use the stun setting. Cap's dead. He has to convince Hela to let him go. "But he didn't die against Loki!", you say. Wanna bet Hela's not going to split that hair?
- I had the same idea, besides Hela was reflected in his shield, a bad omen. But i have a feeling Thor and Uru Iron are going to "persuade" her, posibly with a REALLY BIG HAMMER and a OmniBeam, she will then proceed to Curbstomb them and Hank will difuse the situation with a diplomatic talk
- A diplomatic talk with a giant fist to the face and lots of hungry ants. Hank's a lot less passive these days.
- Then again, it looks like he was just KO'd. Cap was probably just captured, this does fit the Skrulls M.O.
- It depends what kind of invasion they are basing it on. Secret Invasion Skrulls (that were perfectly undetectible, able to duplicate the powers and memories of their victims as well as fool mindreaders) needed to keep their victims alive to keep taking DNA samples from them to keep their complete disguise. Regular infiltration (where they just look like the person but don't have their powers, or knowledge and will be exposed to mind readers) wouldn't need that. But yes generally their MO is to take victims as prisoners.
- None of this matters anyway because Exact Words matter when dealing with magical creatures, you just have to remember to invoke them. My guess is there will be a big battle against Hela before Cap remembers the precise terms of their deal and explain that it is now null and void anyway. It's not like she can even claim him if he goes down fighting the Masters of Evil again because even if they decided to still follow Enchantress (not bloody likely considering all the success they've had with her) She is no longer Loki's pawn to use. She is bound to her word by her own powers.
- I had the same idea, besides Hela was reflected in his shield, a bad omen. But i have a feeling Thor and Uru Iron are going to "persuade" her, posibly with a REALLY BIG HAMMER and a OmniBeam, she will then proceed to Curbstomb them and Hank will difuse the situation with a diplomatic talk
- Now, you may be thinking, "but he said that he did!". Nope. He never specifically said that he shut down the power in the prisons. He just said that he set up distractions for Thor, and they just so happened to be showing footage of Thor vs Graviton as he was saying this. He never said anything about the breakout. The distraction he was talking about was Enchantress and Executioner the first time the Avengers fought them. Now, maybe he had something to do with the breakout, but it's possible that he didn't. But then who did? I'll quote Iron Man: His name rhymes with 'Boom'.
- If he didn't do it, then it must be the Skrulls, or the Kree (if Captain Mar'Vell wasn't the only Kree scout).
- Maybe, but why would the Skrulls or Kree just release more super-powered earthlings for them to fight? Wouldn't they want to keep them imprisoned?
- Maybe to distract the Avengers.
- They release seventy some-odd super villains, some of which are both incredibly powerful and dangerously intelligent, to distract a team of less than a dozen heroes who only teamed up to deal with the seventy some-odd super villains they released to begin with? That's logic.
- Well, they're aware of the superheroes and feared they would be the ones to stop them. But they didn't anticipate some of them forming a permanent team.
- Jossed—according to Joshua Fine, Loki did indeed cause the breakout.
- Maybe, but why would the Skrulls or Kree just release more super-powered earthlings for them to fight? Wouldn't they want to keep them imprisoned?
- So that she could become director of S.H.I.E.L.D. and get rid of the Avengers.
- In "Breakout, Part 2", she was shocked to learn there are more supervillain prisons than she's aware of. Plus, she's not pleased with Fury's methods of working alongside the Avengers and believes they should be working FOR them.
- Jossed in "Who Do You Trust?". Nick Fury went undercover himself to dig deeper into the Skrull conspiracy.
- Given how heavily based on Kirby-era Avengers this series is, I wouldn't be surprised if the Squadron Supreme/Sinister appear at some point. Lawyer-Friendly Cameo and all that.
- I would also like it to end with someone camcording the Avengers in epic poses, to Bookend "Iron Man is Born" beginning with someone camcording Iron Man fighting a robot.
- Possibly in a team up with Kang, the Maestro will appear to give a new freshness to the Hulk's angst, and to get to do a proper Hulk vs Avengers fight without having (their) Hulk actually be a bad guy.
- That would be incredible beyond words.
- He'll probably use his daughter and Rick Jones as baits.
- Unless either or both are dead. Another reason why Ross is pursuing him.
- Adding to this, Tony will reveal he's been studying Simon's energy signature or some Techno Babble during their previous encounters, and he's been working on way to stabilize and even turn Simon back. Then Tony will explain the whole thing with Simon's company, thus ending Wonderman's grudge against him, since that is likely the only thing that would prevent the aforementioned Heel–Face Turn.
- My theory is Enchantress lied and Simon is keeping his body together all by himself. Naturally when he finds out the truth he won't take it very well and will come close to slaughtering all of the Masters of Evil before finally being talked down. After a bout of Anger Management therapy with Doc Samson he'll join the team full-time.
- After all, we have years of comics as well to work with the fact that Simon was an avenger for years.
- In "Acts of Vengeance" Enchantress goes after the Masters of Evil with the intent of taking revenge on Zemo. If her magic was what was truly keeping him alive why didn't she just undo the spell or revoke it when he started attacking her (or even at the very beginning)? Because she can't. Simon is keeping his body together all on his own and the Masters lied to him.
- there was an enemy mine, but against the Enchantress after she turned on all of them. Zemo still turned on the avengers, and he was defeated along with her.
- The preview of Season 2 has mentioned that it's going to be a look into the cosmic side of the Marvel Universe, and with the Kree-Skrull war and the introduction of the Guardians of the Galaxy, it wouldn't be surprising if the Avengers spend a significant amount of time in space. Also consider that the Masters of Evil are getting one last hurrah or however it was said. It's hard to believe, however, that Zemo would just give up that easily (unless he's killed). Thus, with the Avengers out in space and no indication as to when or if they'll come back, Zemo will see an opening to create the Thunderbolts in their absence, and it'll work out about as well as it did in the comics...
- Problem is , the Zemo in this show is Heinrich Zemo. Also, how would the shows line up be able to pose as heroes?( Especially Abomination).
- In all likelyhood, they would introduce at least Screaming Mimi/Songbird and Moonstone/Meteorite before the end of season 2. They could also use the more "human" villains like Chemistro and Whirlwind.
- Ultron, being as notoriously hard to kill as he is in the comics, will show up toward the end of the war. Why will he be a major player? He'll be hoovering up every piece of alien technology he can find, making him a major threat to the now-weakened factions in the war.
- He's certainly ruined things for Earth already, leaving them with no missles to defend themselves with.
- We saw that his hatred of the Hulk is getting the better of him and the vial of Hulk Blood that Black Widow had is still missing. It's possible that Ross turns into the Red Hulk because of that vial.
- Confirmed in this new trailer
- Pym here is all about reforming Supervillains, The Thunderbolts are reformed (or reforming) Supervillains no brainer.
- We know that Kang thinks that Captain America is alive, yet should be died, but we haven't been given any evidence of time-travel or retroactive alteration of history making the Captain alive when he shouldn't be. What we do know is that at a point - admittedly a point after Kang's intervention, but time may work in mysterious ways, and events of a similar nature were liable to happen anyway - Rogers seemingly subconsciously used the Cube to make someone that should be dead living... which may have confused Kang's instruments into thinking the Captain is a temporal anomaly. Add to that a fake-Captain being an important part of Skrull infiltration, and Kang thinking that the Captain proper is responsible for the destruction of the Earth even if it is not so seems not entirely unlikely.
- It seems likely that Disney will eventually release a Marvel DVD attracting the boys who won't watch Disney Fairies. Maybe this one could adapt Civil War (2006) or compile an arc's episodes.
- Civil War is unlikely, at least for now. In the comics, with the full Marvel Universe at their disposal, they could organize both a huge group of pro-registration and anti-registration, and it made sense to deem their conflict a "Civil War". With just eight avengers and two agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. we can not make a decent "civil war", just a mere internal conflict. It may be possible in the future, as the seasons keep introducing new characters.
- .......He wasn't exactly playing with a full deck the last time we saw him.
- But this will make him worse.
- Confirmed. He will return in the episode "Powerless", with help from Enchantress.
- Now that would be interesting... and Jane and Amora even both have the same voice actress.
- Jossed.
- Possibly Jossed? It's episode 8 already, and the real Cap is still in skrull captivity.
- Episode 10 is said to focus on Cap, so that'll probably be the one where he comes back.
- We'll see since Nick Fury will be returning in season 2.
- But, on the other hand, he's a minor and inconsequential character, and so a perfect red shirt. Joker immunity only applies for villains as Kang, Ultron, Loki or Zemo, the Grey Gargoyle is not in their category.
- The revealed cover for the second issue of the upcoming series of tie-in comics features Grey Gargoyle punching Iron Man. This could mean that this piece of WMG will come true, unless this issue takes place before This Hostage Earth.
- As a season finale, I doubt it. Zemo isn't that big of a threat; not by himself. I'd leave the Finale to a more powerful villain like Doom, Red Skull, Ultron, or someone new like Mandarin. But yeah, him being the last Breakout villain caught would be cool.
- The Avengers arrested Zemo as of episode 29, but they probably still have more criminals to capture.
- As a season finale, I doubt it. Zemo isn't that big of a threat; not by himself. I'd leave the Finale to a more powerful villain like Doom, Red Skull, Ultron, or someone new like Mandarin. But yeah, him being the last Breakout villain caught would be cool.
- Maybe he'll pull a Heroic Sacrifice like he did in Siege? Season two is a bit early to get rid of one of the series' main villans though. (On the other hand, animated kid!Loki would be awesome.)
- What about staying true to that story, and have Odin making the heroic sacrifice? That would add even more tension to the thing of Thor staying in Midgard
- Maybe he'll pull a Heroic Sacrifice like he did in Siege? Season two is a bit early to get rid of one of the series' main villans though. (On the other hand, animated kid!Loki would be awesome.)
- Actually, according to the artist on his Deviantart account, that image is not for season 2. It's a What If? type picture, possibly foreshadowing season 3. So contrary to popular belief, Uatu and the X-men are (unfortunately) not confirmed for season 2. Also, the characters probably change their costumes without any reality-warping involved. And I'm pretty sure that Iron Man is referring to the whole thing with Loki, but maybe not.
- Changing costumes is all well and good but why would they be wearing Alpha Flight uniforms in any case?
- Actually, according to the artist on his Deviantart account, that image is not for season 2. It's a What If? type picture, possibly foreshadowing season 3. So contrary to popular belief, Uatu and the X-men are (unfortunately) not confirmed for season 2. Also, the characters probably change their costumes without any reality-warping involved. And I'm pretty sure that Iron Man is referring to the whole thing with Loki, but maybe not.
- That image was just a gift to the staff, it has no impact on the show.
- Actually, according to the first episode of season 2, destroying Richards is not Doom's motivation for attacking. He's looking into the Skrull plot as well, and he think that the Avengers and FF will provide him with clues.
- Although if you look closely, the Frost Giants have the same markings by their eyes. That's just the mark of a Frost Giant, and Loki is one after all.
- Iron Man will have the Skrulls subplot and he gets to get super space armor and team up with Captain Marvel and Ms Marvel.
- Black Panther will reenact the Jason Aaron mini series of him going toe to toe with Skrulls.
- Ant Man/Wasp could be espionage agents for the team gathering info.
- Captain America could be leading a resistance of the Skrull prisoners.
- Hulk will have his powers reversed as his Bruce Banner persona will have Hulk powers and his Hulk persona will have Bruce Banner mannerisms.
- I'm pretty sure those could happen in season 2, as this season is dealing with the Skrull invasion. Heck, the Captain America one is almost confirmed to happen, as in the trailer there is a split-second scene of Cap with a torn up costume and no mask punching Super-Skrull in the face.
- Except that Word of God says that the Skrull invasion plot will get wrapped up midway through the season. And I don't think that they would release a picture from the season finale before season 2 even starts.
- True, indeed. Perhaps the pic is from the finale of the Skrull arc, when the heroes proceed to fight back the invasion.
- The season finale will feature Surtur and Ragnarok.
- Except that Word of God says that the Skrull invasion plot will get wrapped up midway through the season. And I don't think that they would release a picture from the season finale before season 2 even starts.
Other teams that may have a Skrull:
- X-Men
- Alpha Flight
- X-Force
- Brotherhood of Mutants
- A.I.M.
- Hellfire Club
- S.H.I.E.L.D.
- Friends of Humanity
- The Hand
- Maggia
- Hulkbusters
- "Who Do You Trust?" confirms that Nick Fury's group, and by extension S.H.I.E.L.D., has been infiltrated by none other than the Skrull Queen herself, posing as Mockingbird.
- And "Prisoner of War" confirms that S.H.I.E.L.D. was also infiltrated with a Skrull Clay Quartermain, AIM was infiltrated, and the Serpent Society was infiltrated with a Skrull King Cobra.
- Confirmed. Though personally I would've found it a bit more satisfying if he stayed in human form for a short part of the beating.
Thunderball is and expert on Gamma Radiation almost as good as Bruce Banner and this version of the Wrecking Crew are said to be Gamma Villains.
This is going off some of the early images of Maria Hill visiting Stark and the episode summary about it being Tony VS Technovore. Caught without his armor, and against a machine eating monster, this will clearly demonstrate Captain America's point about needing to remember some basics and not always relying on his armor. Furthermore, if S.H.I.E.L.D. is somehow involved, this could also be a good point for Tony to show not his fighting credentials as a leader, since Hill already knows about how intelligent he is with machines and hacking. Furthermore, Technovore could also score some political points for Stark, since if S.H.I.E.L.D. ends up being ineffective in how they handle the former Vault monster, it could underscore any argument Stark makes for keeping The Avengers separate from direct S.H.I.E.L.D. control. It all depends on how well or poorly he handles the test, so it's exam time for Iron Man to show if he really is worthy to lead The Avengers.
- Mostly Jossed, though it did lead to the premire of the mark IX and does show how Tony sees no need to register.
- The part of "Infiltration" where the Skrulls implant a virus into Tony's armor implies to me that the Skrulls got at least some of that data.
- Actually I'm pretty sure it's Crossfire, a villain whose business is to steal and resell superhero suits. That's the guy that Hank is punching in the trailer. This isn't to say that Scott Lang isn't involved though, as in the recently released season 2 group shot both Ant-Man and Yellowjacket are present, meaning that someone took up Hank's role.
- Lang could be working with or for Crossfire in exchange for the funds needed to care for his daughter, or that particular shot could be from another episode entirely.
Everything here got Jossed, except for the subject line.
Iron Man, Cap, Thor, and the Hulk already have lines in the normal version. I think the fifth line refers to Hawkeye, and Black Widow's betrayal. Line three might refer to Black Panther, and his father's death. Line one sounds like it refers to Ant-Man and/or Wasp. I can't figure out lines two and four; would anyone else like to try? Would you also let me know if you disagree with any of the interpretations I gave?
- I think that the first line is for Wasp, since she is the smallest of them all (Ant-Man is also Giant Man). The second line is probably Hawkeye, since he's, well, stubborn. The third line is probably Black Panther. The fourth line is probably Hank Pym. The fifth line might be Hawkeye, but I think it's probably referring to the whole Skrull war in season 2. Those are my guesses. It seems like all these lines in both verses point out the flaws, problems, and fears of each Avenger. Hulk is constantly tormented and treated like a mindless monster. Cap is lost in a world that he doesn't know. Thor is (was) banished from Asgard and deemed disloyal. Iron Man is (was) all alone in his fight against evil. Wasp is put down because she seems too small to make a difference. Hawkeye is stubborn and hot-headed. Panther must cope with the pain of his father's death and the pride that he has in being a royal. Hank Pym is plagued with fears of giving in to violence and failing mankind. First season they all realized that they were not alone and needed to work together to overcome their flaws. Second season, this teamwork will be put to the test when it seems like they can't trust anyone.
- Alternately, "Too small to turn the tide" could refer to how Ant-Man's tactics of talking things out with foes almost never work, and he gets mocked by others for having such tactics.
- Where are these lyrics even coming from? there has yet to be a full version of the song released.
- Josh Fine posted them on Twitter: [1]
- not much of WMG as it can be seen fairly obvious from two scenes in the AIM episode. One is when she prattle Stark to hurry up with something, Stark retort by asking her if she has a date that night, to which she actually smiled (first time in the series) and replied yes (I take it as she was referring to Tony). The second hint is toward the end of episode where Tony hold Pepper in his arm, and Maria saw it and gave him a very angry glare.
- So logically she's trying to get Tony to join S.H.I.E.L.D. since she doesn't have powers of skills to become an Avenger
- And is going to act kind of like a Clingy Jealous Girl next time we see them on screen together.
- This will create a Continuity Snarl, however, in that Tony Stark did not invent Ultron in this continuity. They could try to handwave it, but maybe not.
- The Enchantress advances menacingly on him, and she wasn't to impressed with him trying to kill her. Before that, she threatened to do to him what the executioner did to the Grey Gargoyle. His body is found stuck to Doughboy, but unlike the other defeated Masters of Evil, Iron Man doesn't say he survived.
- Unlikely. Any time one of his bodies is damaged or destroyed, his minds moves to another of his bodies.
- Does he have any other bodies? Would they change that with the adaptation?
- Unlikely. Any time one of his bodies is damaged or destroyed, his minds moves to another of his bodies.
- Hulk hasn't been majorly successful since the first season in any fight, mainly only serving to take the brunt of the damage for the other characters, or to show how powerful some character is, Worf Barrage style. However this is actually intentional by the writers, Hulk's power level is decreasing because his life has been much easier as of late, not being hounded and hunted constantly, having friends in Hawkeye and the Wasp, he's calming down as a whole and that's making him weaker.
- This will lead to an episode where Hulk's rage is forced through the roof by some threat causing a resurgence of his old power levels, perhaps at the skrull finale, which will lead to banishment, Planet Hulk and World War Hulk.
- Jossed, at least for that episode. Turns out the Avengers in that picture are all Skrulls, save for Ms. Marvel.
- Confirmed, unfortunately, according to this◊ Josh Keaton was original VA for Spidey, but his audio was redubbed.
Also, she will fall out of love with Hank.
- This synopsis reveals that The Kree destroy the sun.
- Probably not, since Red Skull shows up as Dell Rusk in Nightmare in Red as the one behind the Red Hulk.
- Jossed. He did team up with some of his enemies, but not Red Skull.
- For starters, all of the other heroes that the Avengers have met over the course of the show will team-up with them to save the universe. S.H.I.E.L.D., the Fantastic Four, Heroes for Hire, the Guardians of the Galaxy, maybe the X-Men (at least Wolverine), Beta Ray Bill, and Spider-Man. And it will be awesome.
- The Executioner will join them as well, as he wants to save Amora and, seeing as he's Asgardian, save Asgard as well. And just like in the comics, he will redeem himself by making a Heroic Sacrifice against Surtur's hordes, and will finally have a voice, with his first and last words being, "FOR ASGARD!" as he leaps into the swarms of fire demons. And it will be awesome.
- Kang will play a big role in this as well. If my theory is correct, that Surtur is actually the cause of Kang's timeline being destroyed, he will most definitely want to prevent this by defeating Surtur and will join forces with the heroes to stop him. After beating Surtur, Ravonna will be healed and Kang will return to his restored timeline. And it will be awesome.
- Finally, the last shot will be of all the heroes, with the Avengers (specifically the Big Three) in the forefront, with Cap raising his shield and shouting, "Avengers Assemble!". And it will be beyond awesome.
- We'll have a really great title drop with one of the Avengers (likely one of the Big Three) referring to themselves as "Earth's Mightiest Heroes" in the final battle. And it will be awesome turned up to eleven.
- Some villains will actually team up with the Avengers and the other heroes to help fight Surtur and his forces. We've already had at least two episodes where an Avenger (in this case Captain America in both instances) pulling an Enemy Mine with some villains, so why not a third time for added awesome?
- And we'll get the classic line from Odin, Thor, and Loki: "For Asgard!" "For Midgard!" "For myself!" as they decide the Apocalypse in canceled until they say so.
The subject line got jossed. The real villain of the season finale is Galactus.
- Perhaps he was sent to disrupt the prison and kill the visiting avengers, after all, they could only guess at his origins.
- Most of this theory comes from the fact that Annihilus and Ultron look similiar, especially the head. And Ultron's attack comes immediately afterward.
- They look similar because Ultron's head was designed to look like an ant's head and Annihilus is an insectoid. (And because that's how they look in the comics.) But I don't think this is possible for one main reason: Annihilus is a creature of chaos and disorder, and Ultron seeks to eliminate chaos, disorder, and imperfection. They just wouldn't mix. Annihilus is just the ruler of the Negative Zone and didn't like earthlings encroaching on his turf.
- The Chaotic personality was one of the reasons I made the guess. I thought he might have been one of Ultron's creations, but some glitch or something made him everything Ultron hated, chaotic and such, so he was banished to the negative zone. The Avengers didn't know where he came from and could only guess. Also, the heads do look far too similiar for me, they have the same jaws, and the same antennae (Despite being based off a bug's head, I don't get why they were exactly the same, where they both based off ants?),they even have the same plasma-ish stuff coming from their mouths.
- Annihilus isn't a robot. He's an insect-like alien.
- Most of this theory comes from the fact that Annihilus and Ultron look similiar, especially the head. And Ultron's attack comes immediately afterward.
From Revelations. Aka Abaddon, aka Apollyon. Commands a legion of alien locusts.
We saw the insect swarm push Blizzard to the groud and dogpile him. But Blizzard's costume must be pretty well insulated for him to use his powers and not be bodily affected by them. Maybe the swarm hadn't gotten to the man inside the costume before Annihilus lost control and the insects turned on him. Likewise, we saw Whirlwind get carried away by the swarm. But Whirlwind can fly, and once again, once Annihilus lost control, Whirlwind could have broken free and escaped. Finally, we saw Radioactive Man fall... but not land. And if there's no body...
- It's possible that Blizzard survived, but they never showed him again and the Annihilation bugs can chew through solid metal, so I don't think his suit will be much of a problem. And even though Annihilus was controlling them, that doesn't mean that they would let their captives go; they're like the Mindless Ones, they live to destroy, and Annihilus was just controlling them to do his bidding.
- Just for laughs.... We'll get the requisite set-up for the non-existent Season 3 with Surtur showing up at the end.....only to be defeated by the combined Avengers team in a most conclusive manner.
- The series isn't going to end, the rumors of season 2 ending the series are false. Created by fans, not the creators.
- As much as we would like it not to, it is. Agent X of Marvel has confirmed it; they're focusing their efforts on the new show now, not this one. At any rate, it'll probably be the Surtur storyline that never gets resolved; Yost and Fine said that if they did do a third season it would be the "magic season", so they were probably setting the stage to have Surtur as a Big Bad in that, like they did with the Skrulls in season 1.
- Sadly, Surtur is a Karma Houdini, and Amora is now unrescued.
- Nick Fury: And there came a day unlike any other, when Earth's Mightiest Heroes got trapped in another dimension, and their followers found themselves united against a common threat. On that day, the New Avengers were born. The amazing Spider-Man, War Machine, an armored colonel, The Thing, with the strength of 1000 men, and Wolverine, the first New Avenger!
- Jossed. They do get their own intro screen at the end though.
- The show will get risque and actually do the "Yellowjacket goes crazy, builds a robot for him to destroy, and Hank Pym enacts his Never Live It Down moment", and it will be called Break and Build. However, with the help of some good writing, they'll actually manage to make it non-infamous. There will still be traces of Yellow jacket, but in a moment of clarity through My God, What Have I Done?, Hank Pym will reemerge the dominant personality and stay the dominant personality. This leads to my next plot point several episodes later in the season,
- Hank does go crazy and ends the series in his Yellowjacket persona. He doesn't create a phony antagonist, but he does fake his own death and run around pretending to kill supervillains. No domestic abuse though, so progress?
- The wedding of the Yellow Jacket and the Wasp. A rare boys wedding episode, but like all great weddings, it gets wrecked by a super villain. After their fight against the villain, and of course discussing if they can make their views of the avengers/life/fighting work with each other, the wedding will finish with the two as the team's only Official Couple. This will be immediately followed by..
- Who are the Thunderbolts?: Hank Pym requests time off from the avengers for a secret government project he's been working on. Wasp, curious to know what has Hank leaving AGAIN, follows him with Stark's blessing due to his unease that "Yellowjacket" might reemerge in the time off. To her surprise, Wasp finds out that Hank has agreed to become the probation officer for the S.H.I.E.L.D./Government super villain team The Thunderbolts. Wasp is crazy argumentative saying that there's no way villains could make a Heel–Face Turn, leading to them separating in a huff due to that difference. The Thunderbolts start operating, and at first, there is much suspicion regarding the group's sincerity. Captain America in particular is suspicious that Hank allowed Baron Zemo to be a member (as a Mythology Gag to the original Thunderbolt Comic). In the end, the Thunderbolts do revolt, but some of them turn on Zemo, declaring their intention to become real heroes eventually, and with the Avengers's timely help (now seeing that Hank was partially right), the rebel thunderbolts are sent back to 42 and Hydra Base, while the true blue heroes start training "new recruits" in their own anti-heroic way.
- Ragnarok. The season finale. After a seasonsworth of fighting, growing and changing, the avengers face Surtur, utilizing all the important plot points from the WMG above with Executioner fighting with them, Surtur recruiting some old villains, a great war of magic taking place, and as this is the true series finale, there will actually be some Killed Off for Real moments. A 3 or 4 parter for increased epicness and greater sacrifice.
- Think! With a guest appearance from the Fantastic Four, the avengers attempt to capture the Mad Thinker.
- Post more if you have ideas as well.
- Squirrel Girl will eventually join the Avengers!
- Tell me I'm not the only one who thinks that would be awesome.
- Magneto, Scarlet Witch, and Quicksilver will be introduced, with the later two eventually joining the Avengers.
- Dr. Strange will appear in at least one episode and will later help the Avengers to fight Surtur.
- Doctor Doom will play a larger role throughout the season and will help fight Surtur.
- The Superhero Registration Act will start, leading into a DTV movie about Civil War.
- Alternatively, it'll become another arc in the season, paying off at the season finale. Unlike the original Civil War comic, it won't end in a needless superhero vs. superhero battle that destroys half of New York, or with Captain America surrendering to hammer home an anvilicious aesop. Instead, Cap & Iron Man drop the conflict when a larger threat, namely Surtur, shows up and forces the two sides to set aside their differences to stop the villain. Early on in the arc, Thor even leaves the Avengers, not impressed with the petty squabbling that really won't help against Surtur, thus making his return at the climax of the finale that much more satisfying. The arc (and season) ends with the SRA being repealed, Cap & Iron Man mending their formerly broken friendship, and the world safer once again.
- Spider-Man will team up with a few other Avengers to take down the Doc Ock and the Sinister Six, similarly to the "Ends of the Earth" storyline.
- He'll even become an Avenger when it's all said and done, though he won't show up in every episode.
- Falcon and Mockingbird will actually join the Avengers.
- The Mandarin will officially appear as an antagonist.
- The Executioner will help fight Surtur and will make a heroic sacrifice to save Amora.
- Surtur chooses the Grim Reaper as another thrall and gives him the necromancer powers from the comics, even furthering his awesomeness.
- Deadpool will show up in at least one episode and will confuse everyone with his fourth-wall breaking ways.
- Ultron will disguise as Crimson Cowl and assemble some former Masters of evil alongside new members as a new version of the team. When Zemo finds about this, he will assemble the remaining former members and more new ones as his own Masters of Evil. The teams will face each other until they find they goals match and the teams will merge into a Heroes Unlimited, I mean "Villains Unlimited" version of the Masters of Evil that will destroy the Avengers mansion.
- Dormammu will appear as one of the main antagonists. Avengers will face Dormammu in epic 3 or 4 parter storyline during the middle of the season, similar how they faced the Skrulls in the middle of the season 2.
- HYDRA will return, with Madame Viper as their new leader and HYDRA under Viper's control will be more effective and dangerous than it was under Strucker's control. HYDRA will play a large role throughout the season and might possibly help fight Surtur or Dormammu
- There will be a storyline where Avengers will travel into Bad Future Alternate Universe, where one of their greatest enemies managed to take over the world and turned it into a living nightmare, similar to TMNT 2003 episode "Same As It Never Was". It may be Baron Strucker, who in that reality managed to get Cosmic Cube and wished that the world would belong to HYDRA, it could also be The Leader who managed to turn entire population of Earth into gamma creatures or it could be Red Skull who took over the world and turned it into hellhole or it could be Ultron, who wiped out most of the life on Earth and replaced it with his robots, but some humans survived and now are leading resistance against Ultron.
- This storyline could be a good way to have the Avengers confront The Ultimates, who basically become expies for the Justice Lords from Justice League. In the alternate world, the Avengers became the Ultimates and rule Earth under a militaristic iron fist.
- The Hand will appear in the season and will ally themselves with HYDRA.
- In the episode(s) they appear in, Daredevil and Elektra will show up to help fight the Hand.
- There will be crossovers with Ultimate Spider-Man and The Super Hero Squad Show.
- Maybe not a direct crossover, but it'll be more of a wink-and-nod, with Hulk probably watching the two shows on TV or something.
- Wonder Man will return and join the Avengers.
- And the name of his episode will be titled Miracle for the miracle that through Heroic Willpower, Simon Williams managed to reform his body, and with the help of stark, get back to a semi-human form, finally patching up their differences.
- Surtur will choose the Red Hulk, Baron Strucker, few of The Masters Of Evil, Absorbing Man, Graviton, Klaw and few other villains as his servants and will grant them incredibly deadly powers.
- Agent Phil Coulson will appear to ask the Avengers for assistance against a rogue HYDRA sect in one episode, and become a recurring character.
- Adding to this, Coulson's fanboy love of Captain America will definitely be a part of his portrayal here, leading to some hilarious moments.
- The X-Men will appear for a short arc, maybe setting up an Avengers vs. X-Men story arc for a DTV release.
- There will be a story arc where Captain America is feared dead after a mission where he heroically sacrifices himself to save some lives, leading to Bucky wielding the Mighty Shield for a few episodes.
- For added Mythology Gag fun, we'll get several attempts by the US Government to replace Cap, including a man by the name of John Walker, and even a guy who's devoted to Captain America to a point where he's made himself look like Capnote . The aforementioned guy ends up getting manipulated by an escaped Red Skull, and Bucky (as the new Captain America), along with the Avengers, must try to stop him.
- Norman Osborn will show up and try to get the public's approval by donning the Iron Patriot armor to discredit the Avengers in one episode. He's foiled, but promises to return with some allies, leading to a return episode with the Dark Avengers taking on our heroes.
- Mirroring the comics, Ms. Marvel gets a "promotion" and becomes Captain Marvel, getting a new costume as well.
- We'll get a "Secret Wars" episode with the Beyonder pulling both the Avengers and Masters of Evil to another world to fight an ultimate battle.
- Aside from Coulson (mentioned above), more familiar S.H.I.E.L.D. agents will make appearances too, including: Sharon Carter (who gets into a romantic relationship with Captain America), Gabe Jones, Jasper Sitwell, Tony Masters (who can make a Face–Heel Turn and become the Taskmaster) among others.
- She-Hulk will appear. Maybe, we'll first see her as just regular Jennifer Walters, and then later we'll finally see her as the She-Hulk, who'll help out the Avengers.
- Tony's anti-weapon beliefs will come into question, prompting a Whole Episode Flashback about how he and Rhodey became Iron Man and War Machine. (Not every kid in the audience might have gotten permission to watch the Iron Man movies. Plus, Iron Man 2 haters can get a different take on War Machine's origin.)
- Madame Viper might pull Heel–Face Turn, considering the amount of tension between her and Captain America in episodes she appears in and considering that she is a lot less homicidal and Ax-Crazy than in the comics. She will form Enemy Mine with Captain America again and will work together to stop Dormammu. When Dormammu tries to kill her, Captain America shows up and saves her. After they defeat Dormammu, Viper will try to kill Cap, but she would not be able to go throught with that even though she has a perfect opportunity to finish Cap. From that point onward Viper will be more hesitant to kill Cap in her future episodes. Near the end of the season, Cap will defeat HYDRA, but Viper will escape. In the finale, Surtur will enslave her and she will battle with Cap, but Cap will free her from his control. After all these times where Cap saved her life and the fact that he is willing to risk his life for her, even though they are enemies, Viper will abandon her hate of superheroes and will join Cap in the final battle with Surtur and will finally pull a Heel–Face Turn. She could either make a Heroic Sacrifice Redemption Equals Death where she will save Cap's life and will sacrifice herself to stop Surtur and will tell Cap that she is thankful that he saved her life several times and is the only person that showed compassion to her or she could stay alive and in the end of the series she might share kiss with Cap. Her backstory will also be revealed and we will also find out how she got scars on her face and how she came to hate superheroes. I'm not familiar with Viper's backstory in the comics so i might be missing something. This idea might sound a little stupid, but i think it would be great to see it.
- Ghost Rider will appear in few episodes
- Continuing Madame Viper and HYDRA theory i wrote above, Madame Viper will unite the East East Coast criminal organizations and will take control of all organized crime on the East Coast. She will ally herself with The Hand and will take control of Maggia, A.I.M and Kingpin's organization, with Count Nefaria and The Kingpin as her employees. After HYDRA is defeated and with Madame Viper gone, where will be story arc where The Hand, Maggia, A.I.M, Kingpin's organization and HYDRA remnants will go into war, fighting for control of what's left of Viper's criminal empire. This story arc will be 3 or 4 parter and will end with defeat of all factions and with their leaders arrested. It would be cool to see Avengers fighting against organized crime.
- The Kree could return, a splinter faction led by the Accuser who wants to avenge his defeat at these "Inferior" creatures. Sydren and Abigail Brand would stop them. Or, conversely, the Skrulls could escape confinement, with help from more Skrulls from other worlds, and SWORD could stand against them. Perhaps some of Bland's past and origins could be reveals.
- The Punisher will show up in one episode, butting heads with the Avengers for his no-holds barred approach to fighting crime. Ultimately, the Avengers team up with Punisher to take down the Kingpin. At the end of the episode, Iron Man is none too happy about Punisher's attitude and angrily tells him off.
- We'll have a DTV release that adapts the "Avengers Forever" maxi-series.
- The series will adapt "Acts Of Vengeance" storyline
- Since The Avengers movie is so popular and successful, there will be an episode or two there Avengers will have the same roster as in the movie and will fight one of the villains, who has assembled group of powerful creatures, similar how Loki commanded Chitauri in the movie, or alternatively rest of the Avengers will get captured by one of their villains, so the Big Three, Hulk and Hawkeye will need assistance of Black Widow to rescue them, forming the movie roster in this show, at least for one or two episodes.
- This will feature a shoutout to Hulk's "Puny God" moment featuring the big green rage-monster defeating the lead villain in a similar manner.
- Thanos will show up to menace our heroes in one storyline that could adapt both Infinity Gauntlet (story of stopping Thanos from getting all six Infinity Gems) and Infinity War (the heroes fighting evil doppelgangers of themselves).
- Bruce Banner's Devil Hulk personality will appear at some point.
- Nightmare will show up in one episode.
- Where will be Christmas Episode, showing how each of the Avengers members spend Christmas
- Iron Man equips the Destroyer armor with repulsor beams and jets, so he can use it to help fight Surtur. (and give "Powerless!" a purpose)
- An episode with Kang would have led the team to discover a team of teenage heroes operating in the future as the Young Avengers. (Bonus points for one of the members, Cassie Lang, actually appearing in a season 2 episode.)
- Explanations for why the aforementioned members left: Black Panther probably returned to watch over Wakanda, Ms. Marvel returned to her duties with SWORD, and Ant-Man & Wasp left the team to patch up their relationship.
- And what about Vision? Any good explanation for why there's no robot on the team? And don't you dare say "He got blown up"!
- As cliche as it is, he probably went on a vision quest (pun intended?) to find out more about his own "humanity".
- They'd better do this!
Originally it had planned that Deadpool died in the second season of wolverine and the x-men, but as the series was canceled, his death occurred off-screen.
- Hulk vs. Wolverine takes place between The Deadliest Man Alive and Avengers Assemble! due to Professor Thortan showing up alive in Behold...The Vision! and the Hulk not being part of the Avengers.
- Wolverine and the X-Men (2009) takes place after Earth's Mightiest Heroes due to the Kang timeline, which was replaced with Sentinel timeline after Operation Galactic Storm.
- Hulk vs. Thor takes place between Some Assembly Required and Gamma World due to Loki being free and the Hulk not being part of the Avengers.
- Except that Loki was imprisoned in Hel at the end, and Thor did not recognize Hulk during the battle. I think that "Hulk vs Thor" just actually isn't in the same universe as the rest.
- While I don't think Hulk Vs. Thor is canon, he did indeed know Hulk in that short and even called him "Dr. Banner" in trying to reason with him.
- Except that Loki was imprisoned in Hel at the end, and Thor did not recognize Hulk during the battle. I think that "Hulk vs Thor" just actually isn't in the same universe as the rest.
- On the other hand, it could so something like Superman Vs the Elite/What's So Funny About Truth, Justice, and the American Way, and instead introduce new heroes, either from the Marvel U or Canon Foreigner types, apposing the Avengers, who all side against it, and basically show why the idea was stupid and ill conceived in the first place.
...or maybe not. Marvell was already a wanted traitor. What will happen to him now? Execution is to say very little. And the Kree? The destruction of the Supreme Intelligence was a revolutionary act, comparable to the beheading of Louis XVI during the French Revolution. Or even more than that: the nobles have reserves and may always find someone else to make an absolut monarch, but surely the Kree will not be able to repair such a complex thing as the Supreme Intelligence, much less build a new one.
Option 1: Without their ruler, without his centralized authority, the Kree will fall into anarchy and civil war. Each system, planet, and regions of planets will want to be the one in command, and in the end a once unified Empire will get divided into a lot of minor units waging war among themselves. The Kree would not change their lifestyle from one day to the other, and switching from one system of government to another is not an easy thing. In the long run, we got an Inferred Holocaust.
Option 2: A strong and ruthless leader prevents the destruction of the Kree empire by uniting the minor units back into the big one. Which of course won't be achieved by a pacifist, but by a strong and ruthless leader, capable to lead people and submit opposition into obedience... someone like Ronan. In the long run, the Kree will still be a menace to Earth.