Trope Pantheon Restructure thread

Let me rework on Ieyasu. You have my word.

However, after that, CLOVIS, I want to hear your opinion about this one rule/instruction from the main page:

• Occasionally there will be Gods that carry a title without a trope. This is not forbidden, but it's well advised not to abuse them. Aside from introducing too many niche concepts, there are still chances for new tropes related to your chosen deity's title to be launched through YKTTW...

You seem to think it's complete bollocks, seeing how much you want to nuke all the tropeless stuffs outside the Food house.

EDIT: Ah here we go. Heroes Fight Barehanded fits perfectly, since we're talking about the Basara incarnation (Hideyoshi, Mitsunari, Motonari use that). Ieyasu fits this as he's The Hero of 3, and because he's the hero, he specifically fights barehanded or at least just with knuckles, with the reasoning he must feel the pain of those he punched. So the reasoning was heroic as well.

And it's not taken as well!

edited 3rd May '16 3:10:13 PM by ChrisX

So a new guardian for Friendship is needed since the other trope he has is taken by Gentaro.

Ideas for Guag command.

Optimus Prime: Already an iconic Big Good.

Trevor Belmont (Lords of Shadow): The guy who enacted a centuries long Bat Man Gambit designed to orchestrate the perma death of the devil himself. Barring a last minute possession, the plot worked perfectly too with no one knowing he was the mastermind until the very end.

Sereph Lamington: His Overload Skill (explains much in terms of his planning in the first game) combined with being a master of Xanatos Speed Chess make him difficult to out maneuver.

Here's my finalized draft on Nena Trinity's rework profile, sorry if this one's ignored. Please let me know if she's ready to go for ascension:

Nena Trinity, Goddess of Double Standards (The Last Survivor of Team Trinity)

• Rank: Lesser Goddess
• Symbol: GNW-003 Gundam Throne Drei.
• Alignment: Chaotic Neutral with shades of Evil , after joining Wang Liu Mei, Lawful Neutral with Evil Shades, until her defection.
• Portfolio: Crazy People, Mass Genocide, Tykebombs, Token Evil Teammates, V-Sign, Even Evil Has Loved Ones, Being Raised in Labs, Revenge Best Served Cold, Evil Redheads, Haunted by an Incident She Can't Quite Remember, Yanderes, Former Scrappies Yet Still Being Hated by the Western Fandom, Double Standards.
• Domains: Army, Destruction, Suffering, War.
• So-Called Allies: Bad Purple Haro, Masato Kusaka/Kamen Rider Kaixa.
• Enemies: GUAE Mecha Cohort (especially Ali Al-Saachez), Eliza and Neil Reagan, Shana, Kazuya Mishima, Tenjuro Banno, Amuro Ray.
• Opposed To/By: Setsuna F. Seiei, Lockon Stratos (Neil Dylandy).
• Pities: Annie and Oakley.
• Nena was originally introduced as a cutie, but later on, she proved to be rather unhinged, for lack of a better term. Her most infamous action, one that many associate with her, was attacking a wedding out of sheer boredom. This did not sit well in regards to her reputation, yet Ali Al-Saachez, a far more evil pilot than her, was given considerable praise. This Double Standard was what allowed Nena to take the throne of said trope.
• Kazuya Mishima is somewhat impress with her for being able to ascend in the pantheon but he's not through with her yet especially for what she has done to him back then. But for her, she doesn't remember anything related to this incident.
• On the other hand, Shana had witnessed her return in the pantheon, but that doesn't change the fact that they still hate each other not because they sounded alike, but because of their personalities are opposite to each other.
• She became allies with Masato Kusaka because of their similar personalities as well as both acted neutral in the eyes of both sides. It is interesting that both of them associates themselves with the color "purple" (her clothes, her Haro, and Kaixa's visor) which is one of the reasons why she is allies with him. Kusaka also gives her a spot in the Grand United Alliance of Chaos as a last resort since some of other members of any Grand United Alliances just rubs her off for her murderous actions she cannot lived with.
• It seems that she still have a ongoing vendetta against Eliza Reagan as both still hate each other since their time as part of the Castaways, not to mention that Eliza's Rich Bitch status reminds her of Wang Liu Mei which is the reason why she hate her in the first place and it doesn't matter if she's friends with Kusaka. She also put Neil on her hit list too as the latter seems not to like her either.
• Her relations with Setsuna F. Seiei hasn't changed at all. In fact, he hasn't forgotten what she did alongside her brothers, and doesn't share her feelings for him anyway. The same goes to the first Lockon Stratos since he also doesn't have any professional or friendly relations with her whatsoever.
  • This also applies to Ali-Al Saachez as well since she cannot forget that he killed her older brothers in front of her as she swears that she will get her revenge by killing him along with the rest of the Mecha Cohort.
• There is a certain incident of her trying to find her brothers in the pantheon after she heard their voices, only for her to find out that it was Kamina and Yu Narukami all along, much to her disappointment.
• Her opinions on Annie and Oakley didn't changed as she still pities the two for being among the fallen deities. She also wish that could get out of that place if possible.
• She seems to be happy upon hearing the presence of her purple Haro in the House of Technology as she rushed into that said house to retrieve it since this purple Haro considers her only companion in her battles.
• She absolutely loathes Tenjuro Banno for for his attempt to kill his children for his own petty plans. The other reason for her hatred on him is because he used his son Go Shijima to set motion to his own plans until he's finished with him reminded her of how her father Ribbons did to her and her siblings back then.
• She also despises Amuro Ray as she would reminded him of another Ribbons Allmark, especially how he and Ribbons were sounded alike. Amuro's reactions from her just rubs him off to boot as he declares Nena as a threat to him since then.
• She was once involved in the event known as Super Robot Wars, an event that was known to improve the opinions towards those participating. At one point, Nena decided to bet her luck on it and hoping that the Double Standard against her stopped. Things didn't work so well, maybe something botched her attempts, so she's back in square one.

edited 3rd May '16 7:48:58 PM by n3xus

Just remind that she could have had her chance to be seen in a better view via Super Robot Wars but either she botched it or someone botched it for her.

I think the troper who originally wanted to bring her back was the one who suggested these requirement and I believed that requirement of his was not necessary anymore since the Disgrace is gone.

@Nina

It doesn't even need Disgraces. I think it's more about 'you had a chance to be looked better instead of people being wary at you, but you botched it.'

Yeah I'm kinda feel out of it since I don't have any knowledge on her appearance on SRW.

EDIT: Just added the SRW thing that you provided to me on the PM, btw thanks.

edited 3rd May '16 7:47:48 PM by n3xus

@Nena:

@Nena

This is my final draft for these two.

Mike Wazowski and James P. "Sulley" Sullivan, Co-Gods of Benevolent Monsters

• Theme Song: If I Didn't Have You
• Lesser Gods
• Symbol:
  • Mike: His eyeball
  • Sulley: His shape
• Alignment: Neutral Good (formerlyTrueNeutral)
• Portfolio:
  • Both: Been friends since University, Worked very hard to reach their position
  • Mike only: Cyclops, Badass Bookworm, The Strategist, unable to scare, which was his dream
  • Sulley only: Former Jerk Jock, now a Nice Guy, Bruiser with a Soft Center, Very protective of Boo, CEO of Monsters Inc.
• Domains: Monsters, Teamwork, Scaring, Laughter
• Followers: The Boxtrolls, B.O.B, Dr. Cockroach, Missing Link, Insectosaurus,
• Allies: The Cast of Toy Story, Carl Fredricksen, Merida, WALLIE and EVE, The Parr Family, All good-aligned monsters from Undertale, The Human Child, E.T, Fred Flintstone, Thrall, Shrek, The Beast, Philip J Fry
• Enemies: Flowey, Bill Cipher
• Pities: ''Indominus Rex''
• Initially ascended following a recent report on how they went from expelled University students to reviving Monsters Inc. with the power of laughter. The title they used to hold originally belonged to Jak and Daxter prior to "Project: Alternate!Gentaro", but the destruction of their temple forced them to move to the House of Narrative.
  • That is until they decided that they found more suitable title for them to take for their followers. The way they managed to convert their entire operation from using fear to laughter for fuel gave them the idea of leading other friendly monsters into the fold. As for their previous position, they hope to find a more suitable candidate in the near future.
• Mike is often seen doing his normal comedy routes. Most of the jokes are dismissed, but using physical humor will almost guarantee laughter.
• The two are best known in the pantheon for their cheap musical Put That Thing Back Where It Came From or So Help Me. In fact, the first performance of that show following their ascension was even sold out. Of course, it's mainly seen by most gods as being So Bad, It's Good.
• Made allies with various other gods who came from the same creator. Together, they form a committee, seeking out more of their kind to ascend.
• They were glad to see a multitude of friendly monsters from a certain world. They have been particularly fond of the Human child, who they can't help but remind the two of Boo.
  • However, there is one monster they absolutely loath: Flowey the Flower. Even when Flowey initially helped out the Child, he was cruel and manipulative. Even if there's a version of him that redeemed himself in the Pacifist ending, they still refuse to give him a benefit of a doubt.
• Though possibly not a monster, Bill Cipher received a cold welcome from the two as well. After trying to get cozy with Mike over having one eye, he attempted to make a deal to create a permanent power source for their world. Fortunately they were well aware of the way he does business with his partners and rejected the deal. That hasn't stopped the being from constantly bugging them.
• They took an unusually sympathetic take on Indominus Rex. While most see the creature as a monster, they take pity for the creature's horrible living conditions, not to mention the fact that humans created the hybrid for profit. All attempts for diplomacy has proved unsuccessful so far.
• They two played a hand in ascending the extraterrestrial. While not a monster per-say, he does get labeled as such at times. The alien also helps bring about laughter to power the monsters' homeland.
• Sulley has compared their relationship with Fred Flintstone and his herald Barney. They may have their disagreements, but things always work out in the end.
• To many, orcs would be considered monsters as well. Many would be surprised to find a deity for more cultured kind. That was the couple's reaction when they found out about Thrall. The trio became quick friends after their initial meeting. They hope to further educate the public of the existence of beings like them.
• The Beast was pleased with their new position, hoping it would create a greater understanding for people of his kind.
• As much as he tries to distance himself from Mike and Sulley (given their rivalry it's understandable), even Shrek thinks the change in positions isn't a bad idea. He just hopes they won't count on him to make a strong case for him.
• The two have been met recently with Philip Fry. The God of Grandfathering Paradoxes hoped to get their help in ascending his good friend Leela. While aliens are outside their jurisdiction, Sulley reassured him they would do their best to help him out.

The Kid, Divine Survivor of Platform Hell (The new Guy)

• Intermediate God
• Symbol: His hat
• Alignment: Chaotic Good
• Portfolio: Butt-Monkey, Genre Savvy, Death Is Cheap, Kid Hero, One H Itpoint Wonder, Perpetual Smiler, To Be a Master,
• Domain: Chaos, Good, Luck, Toil, Glory
• Followers: The Boy, Boshy
• Herald: The Lad
• Allies: Mario, Samus, The House of Children, Arthur, Ratchet
• Rivals: Zangief, Sans
• Enemies: Bowser, Dr. Eggman, Dracula, Mother Brain, Andrew Hussie
• Opposes: Relius Clover, Leona, Tyrande Whisperwind
• Respected by: Little Mac,
• It was the day the Kid had dreamed of. The Kid always dreamed of standing side-by-side with his inspiration. He had beaten all sorts of dangerous enemies to get to this point. When he finally made it to the Guy's temple, he hoped it would be enough to put him in the Pantheon. turns out there was more to it than meets the eye. The Guy wasn't even the man the Kid aspired to be. He referred to be called the Father; he's only called the Guy because he killed the previous owner. The Kid attacked the imposter with immense rage. Thus, a battle of epic proportions commenced. After several hours of battling, the Kid had slain The Guy, banishing him from the Pantheon. When faced with his followers, he declared that he would build a new temple to wash away the memory of this battle. He also refused to take up the freed-up title, instead calling himself the Divine Survivor of Platform Hell. Who he will give the old title to will be revealed in due time.
• The amount of bosses he had to defeat to get this far is an impressive list. To date he had defeated gods such as Bowser, Dracula, Dr. Eggman and Mother Brain as well as an assortment of other non-ascended enemies. They were all paid by the Guy to prevent this day from happening. They all have a bone to pick with the Kid, hoping to avenge their losses.
  • The one exception seems to be Zangief. Although he wasn't one of the bosses the Kid defeated, he did lose a valuable follower that day. Still, this only drove the russian to demand a match against the Kid to prove his strength.
• Among those who aided him in his quest to defeat the Guy was Mario. The God of Mascots has searched vigorously to find a replacement, seeing the Guy as unfit for the role. Mario himself has been subject to similar abuse in various games. He serves as a mentor role for the Kid in the Pantheon.
  • The same can be said for Samus. The bounty hunter may well be the second most biggest platform victim in Nintendo
  • Another character familiar with difficult games, Arthur was intrigued to discover that the Kid also had to fight zombies in a level similar to his own. Even more impressive as the Kid always had one hit-point to work with.
• Little Mac greeted the Kid after his ascension. Anyone who manages to beat Mike Tyson in a match would earn the Boxing Battler's respect.
• There is a tale of a being called The Lad who is currently on his own quest to find the Kid. Although he has no knowledge of the Pantheon, the Lad has the blessings of the Kid to complete his mission. Whether he can find a way to enter the Pantheon remains to be seen.
• The House of Children has taken a liking to The Kid. Even the most unlikable children in the house admit that his body count is impressive.
• It's no surprise that he shares a hatred with Relius, given the man was one of the Guy's biggest benefactors. The Puppeteer couldn't care less, barely even spending much time fighting in their encounters.
• At first, the Kid wasn't that impressed with Sans' boss fight, depicting it as too easy. That is until he found out what the skeleton did to the Evil Child. The Kid has been bugging him to challenge him ever since, with Sans nonchalantly teasing him with boss fights... but none that were that tough. If such a thing were to happen... expect a battle that could destroy the Pantheon itself.
• NEVER MENTION FRUITS TO THE KID. Just ... don't. Especially cherries. The House of Food has been careful not to show him any fruit.
• Vehemently blames Leona and Tyrande for all the times the moon dropped on his head. Indeed, it has be the greatest source of all of his deaths. And it's still out to kill him, even after he had successfully ascended.
• He holds the giant gun the Guy previously held as his main weapon as a reminder of all the toil he had to endure to earn it. Ratchet paid a visit to examine the weapon. He found it rather impressive someone if his size being capable of holding such a huge weapon. That's coming from a god who is well known for carrying such guns.
• Much to his surprise, his creator Kayin has a sponsor in the name of Andrew Hussie. Together, they relished in pitting the Kid in increasingly absurd levels and traps. They even give tips to his other enemies on how to further troll the Kid.

Alright, since Nena has 4 s she's ready to go, btw what house she should go due to her trope's nature?

EDIT: Based on what I researched on the trope itself, I think Nena can go either to Personality (mostly Flaws) , Popularity or Narrative, what do you guys think?

edited 3rd May '16 11:42:29 PM by n3xus

If it works for you, then okay.

Nena is back in the pantheon, she also has a spot in the House of Popularity too.

I feel Cosmos needs a tune-up. She's the least detailed of the Alliance leaders. On another note, I feel we should wait until the Law Civil War is over before we restructure the GUAE and GUAG

@ Chris X: Depends. If it's general enough, I'm mostly OK.

From now, I will overview each house and give my two cents on what needs to be reworked. Going A-Z, then dealing with the Main House. I'll start with Ambiguity:

• Anti-Heroes:
  • Gig: Are there others who fit Noble Demon? If not, then I feel Gig should be moved to the Anti-Villain sub-house. Noble Demon is a villainous trope. Also, how come Gig doesn't have allies? Not that much of a concern, since I doubt he'd get many friends
  • Lord Byron: Looking rather small. Otherwise fine. Also give him actual enemies asides from Edward Cullen, who's not involved here anymore
• Anti-Villains
  • Bizarro: Yeah, my profile. My bad, a bit too small. I'm going to up him to Greater God(he is as powerful as Superman, just derpy) and give him more allies/enemies. Also increase his profile. Any ideas?
  • Lord Varys: "Knowledge Brokers" isn't a morality based trope, and someone else has it. I would rework it myself, but I'm not nearly as familiar to Game of Thrones for it. I believe he should be "Villainous Eunuchs" in the House of Body Parts
• Plain Neutral
  • Mr Welch: Pretty good, just needs to be a bit bigger
  • Gangrel and Luna Vechon: They don't really have anything to do with morality. Could they be moved to the House of Vampires instead?

At least she is a God of Good. But she does need a rework

edited 6th May '16 1:39:31 AM by RJ-19-CLOVIS-93

I feel like she was added for the sake of giving Melkor a Good Counterpart.

Also, why are people suddenly calling the Disgraces the Disgrace? That's really annoying.

Noble Demon is often seen with darker antiheroes too, so its a weird one to place.

I say Noble Demon definitely goes in Ambiguity. It's one of those tropes that are conditioned by the holder

I think Gig was suppose to be moved to Ambiguity, but it never happen.

While checking Food Intermediate Gods and debating whether or not I should change Amethyst's current page image with that of her second outfit, I noticed that Toriko and Komatsu share a profile, despite having different titles and different ranks. Does this need a rework? Any reason why they should or should not be separated?

there were some talks about those two.

So onwards to Beast:

• Ancient Beasts:
  • Great A'Tuin, Bragigas: Need bigger profiles
  • Great Grey Wolf Sir: Needs a bigger profile and foes
  • Sharptooth: Needs foes
• Anthropomorphic Animals
  • Anubis, Ichigo Momoiya, Ricotta Elmar: Shouldn't he/she have enemies?
  • Red XIII, Barbara Ann Minerva: Needs a bigger profile
• Insects
  • Durant: Needs a bigger profile
• Mammals
  • Hachiko, Cat: Needs a bigger profile
  • The Cheat: The Incubators have Weasel Mascot, and they've got the better/bigger profile
• Beast Other
  • Sakaki, Ungoliant: Needs a bigger profile

^ I am working on bragigas, since I'm the one who ascended it.

Most of those only need some tweaking.