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OK, I've workshopped the tropes for the Final Fantasy VII Remake. How do these look:

• Absurdly Sharp Blade: In the Theme Song Trailer, Sephiroth effortlessly cuts through a metal catwalk with his Masamune — a nodachi longer than he is tall.

• Adaptation Name Change: Don Corneo's pet monster was named "Aps" in the original version of Final Fantasy VII, but is shown in the playable demo to have been renamed "Abzu" in the remake.

• Badass Biker: One of the new characters is Roche, a renegade SOLDIER 3rd Class obsessed with motorcycles, high speeds, and battling strong opponents — earning him the nickname "Speed Demon". In the Theme Song Trailer, he is shown picking a fight with both Shinra's security officers and Avalanche, and is particularly interested in duelling Cloud.
  Roche: Hahahahaha! Aren't we havin' a wonderful time kickin' the hornet's nest! You know what I want... a second dance. Just the two of us...

• Blade Lock: In the Theme Song Trailer, Cloud is shown leaping at Sephiroth with his Buster Sword in an attempt to cut him in half, only for Sephiroth to nonchalantly block his attack with the Masamune as a Mythology Gag to the beginning of their duel in Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children.

• Corrupt Corporate Executive: President Shinra, CEO of the Shinra Electric Power Company, is shown in the Theme Song Trailer and Twitter posts to be a greedy and ruthless tyrant who rules over Midgar through fear, crushing those who oppose him with his corporation's private army and the Turks.

• The Don: The Theme Song Trailer shows off Don Corneo, a lecherous crime-lord in Sector 6's slums who takes a new woman as his "bride" each night before feeding them to his pet monster Abzu when he's done having his way with them.

• Hopeless Suitor: In the playable demo, Jessie quickly establishes that she finds Cloud very attractive and flirts with him throughout the bombing mission, but he either ignores her comments or responds with annoyance.

• Humanoid Abomination: The Theme Song Trailer shows off some glimpses of Jenova, a planet-eating alien entity that manifests as a female-looking humanoid. One of her more monstrous boss forms is shown at the end of the trailer as well.

• Left the Background Music On: In the opening cutscene of the playable demo, while Aerith is crouched in an alley examining a broken mako pipe, an eerie female voice interjects into the background music singing "Estuans Interius",^note The first lyrics of Sephiroth's boss theme, One-Winged Angel. and she is visibly alarmed and looks around before hurriedly exiting the alley.

• Mad Scientist: The Theme Song Trailer shows off Professor Hojo, the head of the Shinra Corporation's Science Research Division and mastermind behind the SOLDIER Program, observing Cloud's interactions with Sephiroth and gleefully stating that his Reunion Theory hypothesis has been proven correct.

• Middle-Management Mook: The Theme Song Trailer introduces several of Shinra's department heads, most of whom are ruthlessly ambitious and cruel:
  • Heidegger — the Shinra Company's Head of Public Safety (read: the military) — is shown advocating for the use of extreme force against Avalanche and disparaging his more benevolent colleague Reeve Tuesti for protesting the civilian casualties that would ensue.
  • Scarlet — the Shinra Company's sadistic Head of Weapons Development — is shown forcing a Shinra security officer to serve as a footstool while she reclines in an opulent chair.
  • Palmer — the gluttonous head of the Shinra Company's space program — is shown gushing about how much he loves to put butter in his tea.
  • Professor Hojo — the head of the Shinra Corporation's Science Research Division — is stated on the game's Twitter page to have no regard for human life in his highly unethical experiments, and is shown spying on Cloud following his brief clash with Sephiroth and gleefully remarking that his hypothesis has been proven correct.

• Mythology Gag:
  • In one of the playable demo's cutscenes, Heidegger remarks that Avalanche may be the same group that once tried to assassinate President Shinra, a reference to the first iteration of Avalanche attempting to do so in Before Crisis: Final Fantasy VII.
  • In the Theme Song Trailer, Sephiroth blocks Cloud's attack in the same manner as the beginning of their duel in Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children.

• Skull for a Head: A Freeze-Frame Bonus glimpse of Jenova's boss form in the Theme Song Trailer shows her face is a fanged skull with sunken eyes.

• Snark-to-Snark Combat: In the playable demo, Cloud and Barrett spend most of the opening mission trading barbed comments, with Barret growing increasingly frustrated and angry at Cloud's apathetic and disdainful attitude towards the Planet's suffering and Avalanche's mission.
  Barret: [in the middle of a Motive Rant] You gonna stand there and pretend you can't hear the planet crying out in pain? I know you can!
  Cloud: [unimpressed] You really hear that?
  Barret: Damn straight I do!
  Cloud: Get help.
  Barret: Say that again!
  Cloud: I'd worry less about the planet and more about the next five seconds. Save the screaming for later.

• Sword Drag: When Roche challenges Cloud to a duel in the Theme Song Trailer, he's shown dragging his longsword along the ground.

Edited by Arawn999 on Feb 23rd 2020 at 5:08:49 AM

I'd like the mods to modify the the first sentence from the fourth paragraph of Dandere to "See The Quiet One, Shrinking Violet and Sugar-and-Ice Personality for the more general term and examples."

I have discussed this in TDID Comment #2702 (As point #2), and received 1 concurrance from 𝕋𝕒𝕓𝕤 at #2703 with no disagreements.

At Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, please cut Tengu Shredder (final entry of the 2003 group).

Also, please lock Night Huntress and remove the tree from Literature H to Q.

At Star Wars, for Lit, please replace Cult Encounters & Supernatural Encounters with Cult Encounters & Supernatural Encounters

Edited by ACW on Feb 23rd 2020 at 6:51:23 AM

Fix these namespaces to "Fanfic":

• FanFic.Olivine Romance
• FanFic.Pokemon Take Two
• FanFic.The Fledgling Year
• FanFic.Weasley Girl

Characters.Forestof Despair to Forest Of Despair.

Edited by Malady on Feb 23rd 2020 at 4:03:09 AM

Locked Pages lists Trivia.Four Kids Entertainment in the People folder. But the page was cut. Shouldn't it be in the Permanent Red Link Club instead?

Remove it from Locked Pages, but don't put it in PRLC, as listing Trivia/ for every such creator would be redundant.

Speaking of the PRLC page, its entry for Podcast.The Other Side (under "cut then recreated") should probably say "...lack of tropable content", not "...lack of fictional content".

Nonfiction podcasts can have pages if they have three valid tropes, but this one didn't.

~SkyCat32: The link is appearing orange to me, which is correct for that page.

I am a little unsure on what to do on Narm.Star Wars, but I've unlocked the page pending a swap. I am a little disinclined to lock YMMV.The Rise Of Skywalker - there is a fair amount of editing activity and no obvious problems that I can see in the page history. Is there a thread consensus (and arguments that contest the problems I mention here) for this?

Regarding License To Whine, checking that up on the Wayback Machine indicates that it was not a troll page nor a page that was meant to draw more complaining to the listed pages. So I decline this request.

Aerys II not a Complete Monster? Huh. Done, anyhow. I take that Monster.Batman has the new entry in the correct place?

I've unlocked Square Peg, Round Trope - contrary to the lock reason it's not a policy page as much as a list entry.

~Arawn999: That's for Final Fantasy VII Remake, yes?

~MaLady, I am not sure what you are asking for here. That requires admin action.

I've moved Trivia.Four Kids Entertainment to PRLC as it is deliberately, manually locked to stop recreation.

The Other Side had lots of examples, but they weren't appropriate. Thus, it's not an example of "not enough tropes".

Otherwise done to here.

I'll check the rest, but the Batman tree...let's say above Speeding Bullets (EDIT: Rest looks good).

As for Aerys, if you're curious, discussion started here. Even Evil Has Loved Ones.

Edited by ACW on Feb 23rd 2020 at 11:59:49 AM

Please remove The Thousand Autumns of Jacob de Zoet from Literature R to Z and The Bone Clocks from Literature: A to C. Then, please put this in Literature H to Q:

• "Mitchellverse":
  • The Thousand Autumns of Jacob de Zoet: Lord Abbot Enomoto has his monks impregnate the nuns at Mount Shiranui Shrine and then has them and Abbess Izu take their babies away and murder them, keeping up the illusion they're alive via letters. If that wasn't enough, he deceives the nuns into thinking that they will be released from the shrine after 20 years of service. Instead, his master monks give them a drug that kills them on the way down the mountain and they end up buried in numbered graves, all to eliminate loose ends so that Enomoto can use the blood of the babies in a tonic to perpetuate his life and youth.
  • The Bone Clocks: Immaculée Constantin was the second member of the Anchorites, a group that drank people's souls, particularly children and the mentally disabled, to fuel their immortality. After being rejected by a 7-year-old Holly Sykes, Constantin bore a grudge. Corrupting Hugo Lamb, Holly's one-time lover, Constantin directs him to perform unsavory crimes, such as torturing Crispin Hershey for information on Esther Little, Constantin laughing in the distance. Right before the final battle, Constantin mocks Holly on her age, makes a crude joke about her relationship with Hugo, threatens to murder her family so Holly will "howl with regret" and pulls other petty jabs. When she reveals to Sadaqat that they lied about letting him join the Anchorites-with casual racism to boot-she gleefully murders him. Complicit in the deaths of hundreds to fuel her lust for immortality and with a sadistic streak she takes pride in, Constantin was the face and the worst of the Anchorites.

Edited by falcontalons on Feb 23rd 2020 at 9:36:17 AM

In Literature: D to G. Please replace the Grisha trilogy example with this tree. Also in Literature R to Z please remove the six of crows entries since those will be going in the new tree.

• The Grishaverse:
  • The Grisha Trilogy: Alina would desperately like to believe that the Darkling—also known as Aleksander Morozova—has redeeming qualities and a reason for what he does, but in truth, he's just playing to what she wants to hear. A narcissist, stalker, and abuser, the Darkling exploits the emotional, psychological, and sexual vulnerabilities of Alina and the other Grisha, while blaming others for his own failings and for the violence he inflicts upon them. He sexually harasses and stalks Alina; blinds his mother for warning Alina about him; mutilates Genya for helping Alina escape; threatens to torture Mal and Alina in front of one another to ensure their cooperation; hunts down and kills Alina's only maternal figure; and erases an entire town from the map in a demonstration of his power. Aiming to destroy all nations besides Ravka, Darkling reveals that his goal is not to empower the Grisha, as he had claimed, but to rule the world in his own name with Alina as his enslaved, mentally-broken bride.
  • Six of Crows:
    • Jan Van Eck is a seemingly-respectable merchant who turns out to be an egotistical sociopath obsessed with his own glory and reputation. Callously disowning his son Wylan for his dyslexia that has made him illiterate, Van Eck divorces his wife, throws her into an asylum and tells Wylan she's dead so he can steal all her assets. When his new wife is pregnant, Van Eck tries to have Wylan murdered. After enlisting Kaz Brekker for a job and learning Kaz has Wylan hostage, Van Eck later attempts to betray Kaz and have Wylan murdered via having his ship sunk. It turns out Van Eck is behind a scheme to cheat his fellow merchants and distribute jurda parem to enslave the Grisha, or those with magic, subjecting them to addiction or death, all as long as he profits from the chaos he inflicts.
    • Heleen Van Houden, or Tante Heleen, the cruel owner of the brothel the Menagerie, buys teenage girls from foreign nations and cruelly trains them to be Sex Slave prostitutes. From Inej Ghafa's backstory, we see this involves horrific abuse, both physical and psychological with Heleen repeatedly having her whipped and beaten, even having a girl who kept some money from a client cruelly murdered in front of the other girls as a lesson. Even after being freed by Kaz, Inej is intensely scarred by her time at the Menagerie, and Heleen gleefully taunts her of it when they meet, even trying to have Inej killed later. Utterly reprehensible and dedicated to making a fortune from the sexual enslavement of countless young women, Tante Heleen is one of the worst that Ketterdam has to offer.

Edited by miraculous on Feb 23rd 2020 at 9:15:30 AM

Thanks for clarifying, Septimus.

~Septimus Heap - Oh, you don't know either? My, the multiple uses of the Mod Move feature are obscure.

...

Mod Moving a page to another page, usually a Sandbox, and back, can be, given the proper capitalization, be used to fix capitalizations while preserving edit histories.

Edited by Malady on Feb 23rd 2020 at 10:05:19 AM

Actually, I know that feature well. Just not the fact that people are using it to "preserve" the history.

I might handle some more edit requests in a few hours.

Yeah, a few months back a troper asked to try it out for the capitalization fixes effort, and it worked. Handy thing, if not the intended purpose.

You can't copy a page, can you?

Was thinking about splitting a page by duplicating it and removing the bottom or top as appropriate, then moving them to the proper spots.

Not sure what you're mean, to be honest. We can only move a page to another page - we cannot selectively choose multiple parts of a page, and move them each to separate pages, while still preserving the respective history.

Done to here. Thanks to Septimus, for doing a massive bit of catch-up.

Namespace fix this to "Fanfic": FanFic.The Midnightverse

Video Game namespace fixes:

• Videogame.Rulers Of Nations
• Videogame.Shining Force III
• Videogame.The Legend Of Zelda Ocarina Of Time
• Videogame.The Sims 3
• Videogame.Toadette Strikes
• Videogame.Ancient Domains Of Mystery
• Videogame.Cursed Treasure
• Videogame.Disgaea 4 A Promise Unforgotten
• Videogame.Houchou Shoujo Gensoukyoku
• Videogame.Kirbys Return To Dream Land
• Videogame.Light And Darkness Heroes Of Calradia
• Videogame.One Thousand And One Spikes
• Videogame.Tetris
• Videogame.The Reconstruction
• Videogame.Uplink
• Videogame.Zeno Clash 2

So, just so we're clear. You can't copy a page and give it the same history? Only move it?

My plan was. Take Page "A", which needs to be split in half. Copy it, so there's two Page "A"-s, which I'll call Pages "1", and "2".

Page "1" is edited then moved, to become one half, and Page "2" has to the same process, to become the second half.

- Thought so. Thanks!

Edited by Malady on Feb 23rd 2020 at 1:11:19 AM

In Monster.Literature D To G.

Please change the first line in the entry for Darkling of the grisha trilogy to this. The rest of the entry is fine as is

The Darkling, also known as the Black Heretic and Aleksander Morozova, is a narcissist who deceives Alina, who desperately wants to see the good in him, into believing he is a good man despite his cruelty.

Also please cross wick The Grishaverse and make it The Grishaverse: on that same page.

Edited by miraculous on Feb 23rd 2020 at 12:07:02 PM

I asked about this in the Trump and ROCEJ thread (here and here nearly 10 days later) but nobody responded, so I'm just gonna bring it here instead.

As argued in my linked comment, if we're at the point we can confidently have Trumplica as a trope, then it seems to be the appropriate time to start including more tropes on the Useful Notes page. Plus, the "Trump and ROCEJ" thread has approved of some trope examples for Trump, so at the very least those tropes should be put on his page.

Please add the following examples to Donald Trump:

~MaLady, we cannot "copy" a page as you are describing and retain the history. Only move on a 1-to-1 basis.

I think I got Monster.Batman now into the correct spot. Regarding Aerys II, I don't know much about either A Song of Ice and Fire or Game of Thrones but Aerys always struck me as the weakest Complete Monster example from these series; I am not really surprised he doesn't qualify.

I don't think that Trumplica is exactly an equivalent of these tropes you list. These tropes are merely examples, while Trumplica is a trope patterned after him.

That's fair, though that doesn't address my second point that if we permit the example on the trope page then the example ought to be crosswicked to the Useful Notes page. I mean, if there's consensus for a given example to be on the trope page then there's consensus for that particular example to be on the wiki, and so it follows that that given example can go on the Useful Notes page. (In this case, this would apply to at least Insult to Rocks.)

Batman looks good now.

At Literature: D to G, slight format change:

• The Grishaverse:
  • The Grisha Trilogy: Alina would desperately like to believe that the Darkling—also known as Aleksander Morozova—has redeeming qualities and a reason for what he does, but in truth, he's just playing to what she wants to hear. A narcissist, stalker, and abuser, the Darkling exploits the emotional, psychological, and sexual vulnerabilities of Alina and the other Grisha, while blaming others for his own failings and for the violence he inflicts upon them. He sexually harasses and stalks Alina; blinds his mother for warning Alina about him; mutilates Genya for helping Alina escape; threatens to torture Mal and Alina in front of one another to ensure their cooperation; hunts down and kills Alina's only maternal figure; and erases an entire town from the map in a demonstration of his power. Aiming to destroy all nations besides Ravka, Darkling reveals that his goal is not to empower the Grisha, as he had claimed, but to rule the world in his own name with Alina as his enslaved, mentally-broken bride.
  • Six of Crows & Crooked Kingdom:
    • Jan Van Eck is a seemingly-respectable merchant who turns out to be an egotistical sociopath obsessed with his own glory and reputation. Callously disowning his son Wylan for his dyslexia that has made him illiterate, Van Eck divorces his wife, throws her into an asylum and tells Wylan she's dead so he can steal all her assets. When his new wife is pregnant, Van Eck tries to have Wylan murdered. After enlisting Kaz Brekker for a job and learning Kaz has Wylan hostage, Van Eck later attempts to betray Kaz and have Wylan murdered via having his ship sunk. It turns out Van Eck is behind a scheme to cheat his fellow merchants and distribute jurda parem to enslave the Grisha, or those with magic, subjecting them to addiction or death, all as long as he profits from the chaos he inflicts.
    • Heleen Van Houden, or Tante Heleen, the cruel owner of the brothel the Menagerie, buys teenage girls from foreign nations and cruelly trains them to be Sex Slave prostitutes. From Inej Ghafa's backstory, we see this involves horrific abuse, both physical and psychological with Heleen repeatedly having her whipped and beaten, even having a girl who kept some money from a client cruelly murdered in front of the other girls as a lesson. Even after being freed by Kaz, Inej is intensely scarred by her time at the Menagerie, and Heleen gleefully taunts her of it when they meet, even trying to have Inej killed later. Utterly reprehensible and dedicated to making a fortune from the sexual enslavement of countless young women, Tante Heleen is one of the worst that Ketterdam has to offer.

Edited by ACW on Feb 23rd 2020 at 6:05:48 AM

On Marvel Cinematic Universe, for the Daniel Whitehall entry, change the Mad Scientist pothole to Mad Doctor.