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Unintentional Period Piece is a ridiculously misused trope. The trope is supposed to be for when a work is full of things that make the work firmly dated to its era, such as fashion, technology, societal attitudes, etc.

Instead, it is used for anything even remotely dated in a work, along with merely dated settings and, in some cases, intentionally dated things.

Specifically, a collaborative wick check done by myself and War Jay 77 (with some help from mightymewtron) revealed the following:

  • 29.41% of examples were correctly used
  • 43.14% of examples were used for minor things in a movie that were dated
  • 1.96% of examples were intentionally dated
  • 13.73% of examples had a dated setting, without necessarily having lots of dated things in it
  • 9.80% of examples were ZCEs, and
  • 1.96% of examples did not fit the other categories.

Totaled together, 29.41% of the examples are correctly used, and 70.59% are incorrect. And as mightymewtron pointed out in the Wick Check thread, even many of the correct examples are very snarky and complain-y.

What should be done about this trope? War Jay 77 suggested moving it to YMMV. Beyond that, I don't have many other ideas.

Wick check:

Here we will be doing a wick check for the trope Unintentional Period Piece.

Why? This trope is ridiculously misused. The trope is supposed to be for when a work is so ridiculously dated and full of culture at the time it was written, that it becomes a Period Piece despite not intending to be one. However, it instead gets used for anything that is dated in a work, as well as sometimes intentional Period Pieces. It has been suggested that this trope be moved to YMMV as well.

Current wicks checked: 51/51

Misuse percentages:

  • Correct: 29.41%
  • Minor dated things/one dated thing in it: 43.14%
  • Intentionally dated: 1.96%
  • Dated setting or subculture, but not many dated things in it: 13.73%
  • ZCEs: 9.80%
  • Other, unknown, or unsorted: 1.96%

Misuse vs. correct use percentage: 29.41% correct use, 70.59% incorrect use

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    Correct use (work is ridiculously dated despite not being a Period Piece) (15/51) 
  • Film.Mallrats: The film is pretty much dripping with 90s culture, from the outfits to the music. Even Truth Or Date, despite being a 60s/70s throwback, is indicative of what was nostalgic in the 90s. Sounds correct at least...
  • Trivia.Scary Movie (1): A big problem with Scary Movie 2, even taking into account the fact that spoof movies generally don't age too well. In addition to the film featuring a lot of spoofs of adverts and music videos from 2000—2001 (which are a lot less likely to be remembered than films from the same time period), most of the films being spoofed got horrible critical receptions and were quickly forgotten, which hurts the film quite badly these days. The second movie also contains a reference to then popular, but now mostly-forgotten game show The Weakest Link. This, and the other example from the page, both reference how the movies dated themselves by basing them off of references that faded quickly.
  • Trivia.Scary Movie (2): Scary Movie 4 suffers from this to some extent, as a result of a lot of references to pop cultural things that are now mostly forgotten or considered outdated, such as MySpace and the original iPod. Fortunately, most of the films being spoofed are still well-remembered and well-regarded (with the arguable exception of The Grudge and The Village), so the film doesn't feel quite as dated overall.
  • Trivia.Sneakers: Between the Mafia missing the Cold War, Why We Are Bummed Communism Fell sentiment of field agents, dial-up Internet, flip phones, and NSA introductions, this is clearly set in early 90s. Describes a work full of dated things from The '90s that wasn't meant to be a Period Piece.
  • Trivia.The Cardinal Of The Kremlin: The plot of the novel is tied to a quite specific period of the Cold War (START, SDI, heroic Afghan freedom fighters), and it dated very quickly. Only five years later, the film adaptations of the series skipped straight over it. Sounds pretty dated.
  • Trivia.World War Z: Between its parodies of and references to various celebrities and public figures, its portrayal of the internet and "alternative" media, the manner in which The War on Terror affects the US' initial, blundering response to the Zombie Apocalypse, and even brief mentions of the Nintendo Game Cube and of Ukraine controlling Crimea, the book is decidedly rooted in the anxieties and concerns of Bush-era America. Describes a movie full of things that date it to the Turn of the Millennium.
  • Trivia.The Doom Generation: The film's pop culture references, political satire and fashions instantly place it as a mid-90s piece. Jordan and Xavier have quintessential curtains hairstyles, likewise for Amy's bob. Describes a film that is ridiculously dated due to lots of dated things in it, which is the correct use.
  • Trivia.Grand Theft Auto III (2): Several other topical references date themselves, with radio commercials alone satirizing the dot-com boom (PetsOvernight.com, which delivers exotic animals overnight), massive SUVs (the aforementioned Maibatsu Monstrosity - its advertised mileage of 3 miles per gallon is treated as a point of pride in one commercial), dating services (Fernando's New Beginnings, a dating service which lets bored husbands secretly arrange for trysts with prostitutes) and the beginnings of Reality TV (Liberty City Survivor, where 20 recently-paroled guys are equipped with heavy weapons and then dropped into the city to hunt each other down, with one commercial including a recommendation from someone who got shot by one of the contestants). There's also the adrenaline pills, which in addition to boosting your melee strength put you into Bullet Time - an obvious reminder of the days in the early- to mid-2000s where the influence of The Matrix reigned supreme. Correctly describes a work being very dated due to having multiple dated things in it.
  • Trivia.Jurassic Park 1993 (1): The first film for the most part does a good job avoiding references that would tend to date these kinds of films, but the bulky computer monitor technology and the prevalence of Thinking Machines computers grounds it to the 1990s. As does Sattler's attire. Describes a film being dated by multiple things in it.
  • Trivia.Final Destination: The cameras used and the music for the soundtrack place the movie sometime after the the 1980s, but the under-reaction to a guy saying a plane is going to explode, which turns out to be true, clearly shows the movie was made before 9/11. Describes multiple things making a work very dated.
  • FollowTheLeader.Western Animation: The long-running rivalry between The Simpsons and South Park is an interesting case study in this trope. In South Parks early days, when it generally stuck to its simple "quirky small-town America" premise, many people unfavorably compared it to The Simpsons, accusing it of substituting that show's clever writing for simple vulgarity. South Park is generally agreed to have Grown the Beard when it started drawing more humor from current events and politics, and satire became its biggest strength. Conversely, when The Simpsons came to be criticized for its increasing reliance on quickly outdated topical humor, many people accused it of trying to copy South Park. So while South Park was once derided as a less clever version of The Simpsons, The Simpsons is now often derided as a less daring South Park. Pothole correctly describes a series becoming dated due to topical things that don't age well.'
  • Trivia.Day Of The Barney Trilogy: Several things such as the lack of BJ and Riff (the third and fourth dinosaurs, respectively, introduced in the show following Baby Bop and Barney), mentions of the huge popularity of Barney himself, and other things such as trends mentioned in the fanfics firmly place the trilogy as a product of the 1990s. Correctly describes how multiple things in the Hate Fic have made it a product of its era.
  • Trivia.Mafalda: For The '60s. Most strips avoid this, but enough of them make enough references to place them in that time period; among them:
    • The hairdos and attire of female background characters.
    • Mafalda's dad having been a fan of Bing Crosby in his youth.
    • The design of some appliances that are no longer made even if some may still be in use.
      • The new TV that Mafalda's dad buys is a square box model television with dials and no remote control.
      • Every character has rotary dial land-line telephones at home.
      • Mafalda's dad owns a brand new Citroën 2CV which stopped production around The '80s.
    • Almost all the children are Beatles fans.
    • Guille has a thing for Brigitte Bardot.
    • Allusions to the US space program include remarks about Gordon Cooper, the Mariner probes and the Moon landing.
    • Constant mentions about the Cold War (The USSR-USA rivalry, Vietnam, the Berlin Wall, the Japanese economic miracle, fear of Red China, and the possibility of atomic war...) Entires correctly describe multiple things making a work very dated.
  • Trivia.She Devil: This movie is very definitely a product of its time. Late-'80s hairstyles, outfits, and attitudes. Robin Leach introduces us to Mary Fisher via an episode of Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous. At one point Mary has a satellite dish installed for Andrew, and we see two fully-grown men struggling trying to set up a huge dish in the front lawn (most, if not all, satellite dishes of today are about as big as a dinner plate and attach onto the house). We see Nicolette spending all her time on a party line from a late-'80s cell phone. Nicolette's room has a Tiffany poster and Andrew watches some WWE fight where the hair is larger than the muscles. To cap it all off, we even see a promotional poster for Tim Burton's Batman in Times Square in one scene! Entry correctly describes a work being made dated by multiple things in it.
  • Literature.Thirteen Reasons Why: Magic Floppy Disk: The tapes. Clay even has to go look for a Walkman so he can walk around when he listens. Word of God is that it's intentional, so that the book won't become too dated. By using something that is said to be outdated, it won't seem like an Unintentional Period Piece. Bolded for emphasis. Intentionally (and correctly) used.

    Work contains one thing or minor amounts of things that are dated (22/51) 
  • Trivia.Angus Og: With its many mentions of contemporary events and cameos by UK celebs and politicians, it is very much tied to its time.
  • Trivia.Anarchist Cookbook: As mentioned above, the mentions of phone phreaking make it obvious that it was written in The '70s.
  • Trivia.Doctor Who S 1 E 1 An Unearthly Child: One of the reasons why Susan is considered unusual is because she doesn't know how pre-decimal currency works, and that she thought the UK was on the decimal system. At the time this is perfectly reasonable, but given the UK really did switch to decimilised currency in 1971, nowadays it's perfectly reasonable for a 15-year-old to not understand it. Describes only one thing that is dated.
  • Trivia.I Carly: The episode "iMeet Fred". Most kids today would not even know who Fred is and will probably assume that it's just a Show Within a Show created specifically for iCarly. Describes an episode being dated only because it contains a no longer popular online celebrity.
  • Trivia.Nickmas: The first Frosty the Snowman parody short uses Libby's original hairstyle even when she's a senior. Describes only one thing that is dated in a work.
  • Trivia.The Simpsons S 11 E 19 Kill The Alligator And Run (1): This episode aired in April of 2000; the Montana Militia largely disbanded around this time, after reaching its peak membership during the previous year. Describes only one thing that is dated in the episode.
  • Trivia.The Raccoons: At the end of "The Prism of Zenda!", Cyril can be seen with a cigar in his mouth... in prison. Smoking has been banned in Canadian prisons since 2008. Pothole bolded for emphasis. Pothole references only one thing dated in a work.
  • Trivia.Trading Places (1): At the time the film was made, using misappropriated or "insider" information to invest in commodities (as opposed to the stock and bond market) was not a crime, although a government courier could still get in trouble for unauthorized release of government information like the crop report in the film. The law that changed this, Section 136 of the Wall Street Transparency and Accountability Act, note  enacted in 2010, is informally known as the "Eddie Murphy Rule." The chairman of the Commodities Futures Trading Commission specifically referred to the film when first publicly proposing the rule change. Describes one thing in a movie that is dated.
  • Trivia.Trading Places (2): A lot of what goes down at the stock market in this movie is also not possible now thanks to computers — pit trading and open outcry are no longer widely used, for example. Describes only one thing in a movie that is dated.
  • Trivia.Say Anything (1): The Signature Scene of Lloyd holding a boombox over his head might not have the same impact today if he were holding an iPod instead. Then again, a 21st-century Lloyd would be holding up some kind of iPod player with a picture of a boombox on it, as joked by Brie Larson. Describes only one dated thing in a work.
  • Trivia.Say Anything (2): The people filming the graduation ceremony using actual film cameras. Today they'd just be holding up their phones. Describes only one dated thing in a work.
  • Trivia.Kidsongs (1): "A Day with the Animals" has a killer whale in Marineland of the Pacific (which closed a year after it was filmed) performing tricks in "I Love the Water World". Come The New '10s, the controversy over raising orcas in captivity forced water parks to stop doing such shows, most notably Sea World in 2016. Describes one dated thing in a song.
  • Trivia.The Cat In The Hat: In The Cat in the Hat Comes Back, the protagonist's father owns a pair of shoes that cost $10. Pricey in 1958 but these days you'd wonder why he'd have such cheap footwear.
  • Trivia.Wishbone: If the episode "A Dogged Expose" took place today, Damont certainly wouldn't be distributing those embarrassing photos on flyers. He'd be posting them on social media.
  • Trivia.ET The Extra Terrestrial (2): On the other hand, jock older brother Michael's introduction has him playing Dungeons & Dragons without hinting at him having any geeky or creative Hidden Depths, which firmly grounds the film in the early 80s (the height of D&D's popularity as a fad) for fans of the film who are role-players. Describes one thing that is dated in the film.
  • Trivia.Grand Theft Auto III (1): Claude uses a pager (and in some cases, a pay phone box) rather than a cell phone to communicate. On Chatterbox, a Moral Guardians group leader against cell phones calls in to protest against them, but also talk about how difficult it is to communicate without them. Both of these elements have been dated past The New '10s with many more people owning cell phones, and even more so by the fact almost every later game in the "GTAIII era" of the series - despite being intentional period pieces dated even earlier than GTAIII - uses cell phones rather than pagers. Describes one dated thing in the game.
  • Trivia.Grand Theft Auto III (4): The character of Donald Love is quite clearly based on the then-current pop-culture depiction of Donald Trump, being a ruthless businessman owning a large skyscraper who expresses a desire to instigate a gang war for property development. Describes one dated thing in the game.
  • Trivia.Jurassic Park 1993 (2): This applies to the dinosaurs as well, thanks to Science Marches On. In 1993 they were the most up-to-date depiction of dinosaurs in film. Now they're nearly as dated as the "old" dinosaurs they once displaced. Describes one dated thing in the movie.
  • Trivia.Henry Stickmin Series: A lot of older memes are referenced in earlier games that remain unchanged in the Collection version, most notably the Shoop-da-Woop Running Gag. References some things that are dated in the series, without implying that they make the whole game dated.
  • Trivia.Another Cinderella Story: Mary's The Girl Who Fits This Slipper subplot involves her Zune music player, which was discontinued in 2011 (a little over half a decade after the movie's release). The description for the film for some cable and streaming services even misidentifies it as an iPod. Describes one dated thing in a work.
  • Recap.The Simpsons S 3 E 14 Lisa The Greek: Take That!: The episode takes jabs at the Super Bowl broadcasts of the 1980s, which consisted on rather bland family-friendly half-time shows built around a theme while the game would be followed by the premiere of a new TV show that would usually be cancelled after one season (The A-Team, which premiered after S.B. XVII being one of the few exceptions). This doubles with Unintentional Period Piece for both practices were abandoned a few years later: The half-time show would feature pop stars beginning in the following year (something in which Fox's In Living Color! special played an important part), and after NBC aired an special hour-long episode of Friends after Super Bowl 30, most post-game shows would be SB-themed episodes of already-established programs. Pothole describes two dated things in an episode, rather than the episode itself being very dated.
  • Trivia.Jack And The Beanstalk 1974: The music is reminiscent of songs from the 70's when it was made, especially the music the salesman plays on his lute, and in the original Japanese version near the end of the "Tulip" song he does an Elvis Presley impression. There's also a bit of Values Dissonance when Jack's mother spanks him onscreen. Describes two things that are dated in a work, without saying that they make the work itself dated.

    Intentional Period Piece or something intentionally dated (1/51) 
  • Trivia.Nineteen Ninety Something: Inverted, seeing as how the comic takes place in The '90s but was created in the mid-to-late 2010s. Regardless, the comic contains so many outdated 90s references that one either has to have lived in the 90s or have a vast knowledge of the decade to understand any of it. Intentional Period Piece.

    Work is heavily influenced by a specific dated subculture or setting, without being full of dated things per se (7/51) 
  • Trivia.Tragedy Girls: Much of the film's humor is rooted in satirizing the True Crime fandom of the 2010s, portraying it as obsessed with murderers in a manner that recalls the real-life "Columbiner" communities of that era. After the Parkland shooting and the March for Our Lives in 2018, a year after this film came out, the online true crime community took a very notable shift away from that sort of attitude, and nowadays, the idolization of serial killers and spree killers of the sort that Sadie and McKayla engage in is regarded as tasteless, at least in the more mainstream communities. Describes a film's premise being heavily influenced by a once-relevant subculture, without the film actually being filled with dated things.
  • Trivia.The Simpsons S 11 E 19 Kill The Alligator And Run (2): The episode also features the party-hard youth culture of the 90s and 2000s at its peak, with Kid Rock appearing at an MTV show broadcast from the beach (featuring a joke about the age of the channel's presenters), with Rock's particular brand of Rap Rock being passe by the time the episode aired, while this zeitgeist would be greatly affected by 9/11. Kid Rock's hype man Joe C. also appears alongside him in this episode, seven months before he died from complications related to dwarfism. Describes an overarching culture that affects the episode's timeliness, without the episode itself being actually necessarily filled with dated things.
  • Trivia.Kidsongs (2): "A Day at the Circus" aged even worse. In the years since the video was first released, the traditional American-style traveling circus has diminished in popularity with the biggest example being the closing of the Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus in 2017. Not helping is the animal acts, especially those with elephants, which have come under much scrutiny by animal rights groups. Describes a song being dated because it is set in a circus, which are no longer as relevant as they once were.
  • Trivia.Goku Midnight Eye: The series is exceedingly 80s, with a cyberpunk future where fashion has remained the same and the USSR is still around. Sounds like it uses some 80s tropes and history, but doesn't sound too heavily dated.
  • Trivia.Bicycle Thieves: The story very much reflects the conditions in Italy after World War II. Unemployment and crime were rampant, the police generally weren't very competent, and, as shown in a few scenes, communism had a large following in the country. And Rita Hayworth (featured on the posters Antonio is supposed to hang) was at the peak of her international popularity. Entry describes an era's culture making a movie dated, rather than the movie being dated due to being full of things from its era.
  • Trivia.Grand Theft Auto III (3): Liberty City's portrayal as The Big Rotten Apple, a view that started to fade soon after 9/11 (which happened a month before the game's release) and The War on Terror. Even though the game was held back a month to attempt to remove content that would look offensive after 9/11, very little could actually be done with the small amount of time they had (the police cars were changed to a Los Angeles-inspired color scheme rather than emulating the NYPD's then-current and distinctive blue on white, airplanes couldn't be blown up, and the only plane in the game had its wings clipped to make it nearly impossible to fly), dating it to the immediate pre-9/11 period of 2000 to, at latest, August 2001. Describes a game being dated due to a dated setting.
  • Film.Mission To Moscow: A few years after its release, the Cold War arrived and Mission to Moscow became an Old Shame for all involved. Warner Bros. argued that the film had been an "expedient lie" to help the war effort along and that it had never been meant for posterity. The House Un-American Activities Committee wasn't buying it, so Warner Bros. threw screenwriter Howard Koch to the wolves. Even though he had written the film under contract and had never belonged to the Communist Party, Koch was subsequently put on The Hollywood Blacklist. Since the Red Scare, the movie has largely faded into obscurity, and it's now remembered as one of the all-time Unintentional Period Pieces. Sometimes it's shown, not without controversy, on Turner Classic Movies. Pothole describes a film dated by its setting rather than by having a lot of dated things in it.

    ZCEs (5/51) 

    Other, unknown, or unsorted (1/51) 
  • Trivia.ET The Extra Terrestrial (1): Averted nicely unlike a lot of 80s movies. You can tell it was filmed in the 1980s due to the cars, the TV, and the family owning an Atari 2600, but it doesn't stick out like other examples. Many of the pop culture references they make like Star Wars or The Twilight Zone (1959) are still known by today's audiences. Entry literally says that it does not fit the trope.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 4th 2023 at 11:08:49 AM

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#201: Aug 6th 2021 at 5:05:15 PM

Unfortunately I am not experienced in the TLP so someone else will have to help with that part.

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#202: Aug 6th 2021 at 5:23:35 PM

I can draft the YMMV rework later? It would likely need a rename anyway.

Edited by mightymewtron on Aug 6th 2021 at 8:24:19 AM

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#204: Aug 9th 2021 at 10:00:11 PM

So what was the result of this? I was always bothered by how badly misused this trope is, and even though I didn't participate in the poll, I can see the option 3 was well supported, so I'm ready for the dewicking and deletions gringrin

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#205: Aug 9th 2021 at 10:01:07 PM

[up]Patience. We need to work on these new tropes to cover the misuse first.

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#206: Aug 14th 2021 at 7:07:18 AM

Since we're already moving Unintentional Period Piece itself to YMMV, is it safe to move it from the Trivia index to YMMV.Home Page, or are we waiting until the rewrite is finished?

Either way, this is what I thought to add:

  • Unintentional Period Piece: A work is seen as emblematic of the pop culture of its time. YMMV because such opinions are usually retroactive, and not everyone will see the work as dated.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 14th 2021 at 9:11:17 AM

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#207: Aug 14th 2021 at 9:03:44 AM

[up]Seems legit to me. It'll also probably be tweaked to an Audience Reaction when I start that draft. (It's a big project to tackle and I need time, which I don't have for at least a week.)

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#208: Aug 14th 2021 at 9:51:28 AM

I moved it from Trivia to YMMV, but I added it to Audience Reactions instead of YMMV.Home Page after thinking a bit more about how to classify it.

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#209: Aug 15th 2021 at 6:34:51 AM

Are we still keeping the ten year waiting period or not? Though, after looking at the page it appears that it wasn't really enforced. The entire section for the 2010s is still there.

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#210: Aug 15th 2021 at 8:13:40 AM

The 2010s section was allowed for like, "significant" cases or something. No idea what that actually meant in practice.

I think we should still keep the waiting period. I'm assuming that the Cultural Period Piece draft is gonna take UPP's place?

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#211: Aug 15th 2021 at 8:43:46 AM

On the other thread "significant cases" meant that a work was dated when it was released. So, if a tv show had an episode that featured some prominent Product Placement and said brand goes out of business by the time the episode aired, then that would've been a significant case. We were actually going to create a separate trope for that, but I don't think it got off the ground.

Looking at the 2010s section, most of the examples are basically talking about how works were dated after their release.

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#212: Aug 15th 2021 at 9:02:49 AM

I still think that belongs on another trope, like that "Instantly Dated" draft, which can succeed. I just need time to adopt it, maybe.

Edited by mightymewtron on Aug 15th 2021 at 12:03:12 PM

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#213: Aug 15th 2021 at 12:24:05 PM

Maybe.

Like I said, I always thought the limit was really really weird because it's one of those things where either people feel this way or they don't. Especially now that it's moving to YMMV, I think the limit's weird.

People make knee-jerk reactions for this yes, but that doesn't mean that after 50 something years those knee-jerks would suddenly become valid and vice-versa. It just means that people shoehorn everything and anything modern, which I still think would happen regardless of whether or not we set a threshold, because people also do it for anything even slightly outdated. So having a cut-off won't prevent misuse and will only punish the newer works that do legitimately qualify.

It's not like Hindsight where we need to wait for the "event" to end so that it isn't on everyone's minds. A trope like this isn't about people making connections, it's simply about people noticing things that are objectively present in the work.

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#214: Aug 15th 2021 at 1:12:27 PM

The thing is, can anyone say with confidence that something's been dated a year or two after its release? Trends and artists can make a comeback.

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#215: Aug 15th 2021 at 1:14:49 PM

I'm not sure that's what "dated" means in this context, though you might be referring to the Instantly Dated draft...

And we need to keep in mind that it's YMMV now. So our personal standards of what is and isn't "dated" doesn't matter as much as what audiences in general think of it. It's not just you specifically, but I have a pet-peeve of people trying to enforce objective standards over subjective tropes. It sort of misses the point of them even being in YMMV.

Edited by WarJay77 on Aug 15th 2021 at 4:15:58 AM

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#216: Aug 15th 2021 at 1:19:34 PM

But there are YMMV tropes with waiting periods. Values Dissonance, Values Resonance, and Fair for Its Day all require some waiting time before examples can be added.

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#217: Aug 15th 2021 at 1:23:07 PM

Right, but those aren't the same thing. The entire reaction to UPP is just people noticing things that are objectively in the work and finding the work dated as a result, whether or not it actually is.

The others need things we can compare it to. Values Dissonance, for example, needs enough time to pass for those values to actually become dissonant in the first place. Same with the others. It needs time for the comparison part to even be viable. A work made tomorrow can't be Fair for Its Day if "its day" is the day we are currently living in.

UPP doesn't have a comparison component. It's purely about the work and what people think about the stuff within it. Obviously we need regulation to prevent examples of intentional dated-ness, but that's it.

Edited by WarJay77 on Aug 15th 2021 at 4:24:19 AM

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#218: Aug 16th 2021 at 7:10:13 PM

Well, we can always leave the waiting period for the Recent Examples thread to decide. In the meantime, since we've decided to make this a YMMV trope, can we start a cleanup thread? I checked the main page and noticed some questionable examples. For instance, The Social Network was listed as an UPP.

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#219: Aug 16th 2021 at 7:39:58 PM

So... are we keeping UPP with its current name? Because it no longer has to be intentional. Shouldn't we try to vote on a rename or something?

Or are we splitting UPP between these various other new tropes?

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crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#220: Aug 17th 2021 at 10:47:48 AM

I've created the Nebulous Now draft, and will start going through on-page examples. Until someone starts building the Present Day Period Piece subtrope, I'll move the examples of works set in their Present Day to that trope. Examples of YMMV use will be moved to Sandbox.Unintentional Period Piece for the rework.

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#221: Sep 17th 2021 at 4:26:00 PM

Bumping. There hasn't been any progress in quite some time that I am aware of. How's everything going?

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TheLyniezian Is not actually from Lyniezia from South Bernicia Since: Aug, 2012
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#222: Sep 19th 2021 at 7:10:17 AM

One thing I'd like to add to the discussion is the role that time travel movies play, particularly ones with a well-defined time travelled from and to. Back To The Future in particular has an example which claims that the opening sequence is an "unintentional" "Mister Sandman" Sequence but it seems fairly obvious it is setting the scene for 1985 Hill Valley to contrast with the Trope Namer later in the movie. It's also clearly stated which year(s) the film is set in.

A contrasting example might be Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home where the crew travel back to a time period only vaguely described as the "latter half of the 20th century" but it's fairly obvious to a reasonably well-aware viewer that it's set inthe mid-80s, from Cold War tensions still existing (meaning it couldn't be set in the 1990s), Scotty attempting to get to grips with a vintage Mac (meaning it couldn't be any earlier), and so on. But the time period is clearly established enough that it seems intentional enough. If Nebulous Now launches, could that be an example? [EDIT: probably not, given the description.]

And works set in the future, but retaining the flavour of the time they were made? Do they count or not?

I'm not sure if it's been decided what is happening about less-than-unintentional-enough examples?

Edited by TheLyniezian on Sep 19th 2021 at 2:13:01 PM

TheLyniezian Is not actually from Lyniezia from South Bernicia Since: Aug, 2012
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#223: Sep 19th 2021 at 7:38:26 AM

[up]OK, so I looked at the crowner, the result of the vote, and the current version of the trope page. I suppose thinking about it, if there exists one time period meant to stand in for "the present", say 1985 for the original Back to the Future movie, it could count as this trope, given the "unintentional" part is its becoming a period piece, not that it is intentionally set in a specific period. Any thoughts/pointers/clarifications?

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#224: Sep 19th 2021 at 8:03:31 AM

Should the Nebulous Now draft be given a TLP Bump? It's gone a month without any activity.

Also, has anyone started a Present Day Period Piece draft?

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crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#225: Sep 21st 2021 at 7:35:12 AM

There hasn't been any progress in quite some time that I am aware of. How's everything going?
Between real life and other responsibilities on this site, i haven't been able to work on this in weeks. My free time won't really return until November. I will see if I can spend a couple of hours cleaning examples this Thursday.

Link to TRS threads in project mode here.

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