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Jack Planters. Without a doubt one of the weirdest fictional Jack the Rippers I’ve ever heard of. A serial killer than becomes a tyrant ruling over all of Europe. What was the point of using him? There are probably a bunch of Wonder Women villains that would’ve made more sense.

edited 24th Nov '17 6:00:03 AM by NTG

So, turns out the final episode of Telltale's Guardians of the Galaxy came out over two weeks ago, and I didn't notice until yesterday that it came out. Whoops.

Anyway, the only two worth noting are Thanos and the Big Bad Hala the Accuser. Hala, while responsible for the deaths of millions and intending to destroy both Earth and Knowhere just out of anger towards Peter, doesn't count due to caring for her son, and can potentially have a Heel Realization.

That leaves Thanos. This adaptation of Thanos doesn't have any of the redeeming qualities his comics counterpart had (though he isn't as much of a bastard towads Nebula as other versions but that's only because Nebula is obedient to him) but I'm hesitant about him counting due to the lack of actions we see from him. He still wants to exterminate all life in the universe, but his only on-screen heinous actions are killing several nova corps officers, blackmailing Nebula into killing Gamora or else he'll kill Gamora more painfully (Nebula wounds Gamora but Gamora survives) and wiping out almost all of an alien race called the Kree (which we don't technically see, but we see the consequences of)

So yeah I don't think Thanos is heinous enough to count, but depending on what you guys say, I might make an effort post if I change my mind.

edited 24th Feb '18 8:56:56 PM by Awesomekid42

Molstrom

Jack Planter. Kind of pointless by now, but he's such a weird villain concept I had to cast a vote.

I'm going to say don't bother with Thanos. As is his wont, he doesn't really do anything onscreen.

Thanos might count by technicality and nothing else there, but I'm inclined to say not to bother because it doesn't sound like he's acting with anywhere near the full potential of his resources anyways.

Molstrom has more than enough and no , so here's my write-up:

• Owlboy: Captain Molstrom is an automoton originally created by the Ancient Owls as a war machine. After the owls inadvertently caused the world’s continents to lift off the planet’s surface and subsequently vanished, Molstrom took control of the other automotons who were left behind, exterminating any who didn’t agree to follow him. In the present, Molstrom is the brutal leader of the Pirates, the remaining automotons who are loyal to him. After retrieving the first of three relics created by the owls, he uses its power to decimate the large capital city of Advent, leaving only a few survivors. When he possesses all three relics, he plots a course to the remaining settlements, which he plans to destroy as well. After getting betrayed by Solus, the young owl who told him of the relics, Molstrom seeks revenge, and even after learning that Solus wanted to use the relics to stop the continents from floating off into space, he makes it clear that he doesn’t care and tries to prevent the heroes from saving the world from destruction.

edited 24th Nov '17 8:27:15 AM by Camberf

Jack Planter.

I have to thank the folks here. While Whitehead's vote-down was a disappointment at the time, it forced me to do a deeper reading of the character, which revealed a great deal more than I had originally tagged. It also led to a conversation with the author, and Word of God was that she deliberately wrote him as more ambiguous than her other villains, so your collective judgement was exactly right: He was not written as a Complete Monster. His motivations turned out to be more an extreme case of Disproportionate Retribution than simply being For the Evulz. Probably next time I talk to her, I'll ask her about his Start of Darkness. Bet he'll have an interesting backstory.

Thanks again!

edited 24th Nov '17 8:32:09 AM by ArchTeryx

Camberf: Drafts please. I hope to have this week's 1st batch (the de-potholed entries and such) within the next few hours.

No problem. If you find another character worth the effortpost, feel free to come back and post them. As far as I'm concerned, Whitehead was actually a fairly strong first effort.

• Dokuro:
  • Aiichiro Kanehira is the repulsive, greedy founder and leader of the Nirvana Church of Creation, a Corrupt Church which exists solely for his benefit; Kanehira doesn't even believe in the tenants of the Church. His followers go into debt to give money to the Church, some even committing suicide; Kanehira doesn't care. While not killing anybody himself, Kanehira has his Church Police kill at least dozens, possibly hundreds of not more of enemies. He also has an orphanage where children are abused, raped, and generally treated horribly. He also allows, if not orders, horrendous medical experiments, and organ trafficking, including some of the children. Finally, Kanehira takes advantage of his followers; in one instance, he took sexual advantage of the mother of Kikuchi Takeo, then just cast her aside like a piece of garbage, resulting in her killing herself (and trying to kill Takeo as well), motivating Takeo, a former elite member of the security unit, to take down the Church. While Kanehira had a rough childhood, this does not excuse his actions. In addition, while at various points he seems to care about his followers or his daughter, at the end, Kanehira Aiichiro is shown to care about nobody but himself.
  • Kawashima Junta is the chief prison guard of the sanatorium where Takeo is sent after killing a corrupt police officer. Previously, he was in charge of the aforementioned orphanage, where he beat and abused the children, including them making them drink from bowls like dogs. He also raped-—possibly more than once-—Takeo's friend Mudo. In the sanatorium, Kawashima hosts the Rumble Fish, where he would pit prisoners against each other; the fight could only be stopped by Kawashima, who loved seeing them kill each other. When a prisoner calls Kawashima a "maniac", Kawashima responds by shoving a pencil through said prisoner's mouth and nose. Finally, Kawashima took part in the organ trafficking, both at the orphanage and at the sanatorium.
  • Professor Koganei works at the sanatorium, and is responsible for the organ trafficking and medical experiments. He works with medical companies, and uses the prisoners as guinea pigs for testing new drugs. He doesn't even believe in God, but is a member of the Nirvana Church of Creation, as they allow him to conduct any type of experiment, legal or not. He considers taking the prisoners' organs "recycling of trash". He had the sanatorium's actual warden locked up and drugged for a few years. Finally, there are the "zombies", humanoid abominations trapped in an And I Must Scream state.
• Fairy Tail:
  • Phantom Lord Arc: Master Jose Porla has a bad case of envy towards Fairy Tail for its sudden rise in power and wealth due to Lucy—which neither she nor the guild had intention of using. Thus drove him to use Gajeel to destroy the guild hall. Makarov, Fairy Tail's master, wasn't prepared to retaliate, until Jose later hung up Team Shadow Gear as an example after having them viciously beaten. This earns Makarov's wrath, and when the two encounter each other, Jose being an illusion, he shows no ill will and says some small talk to further enrage his rival, enough for his minion to drain him of all his magical power temporarily. He then proceeds toward the next stage of his plan—kidnapping Lucy and using her ransom to siphon away the Heartfilia family fortune, rather than returning her as her father had hoped. After Lucy angers him when he kidnaps her, Jose's first step is to have his guild robot destroy a town, and then he proceeds to defeat and torture Erza. He also attempts to use his magic cannon to annihilate Fairy Tail and their guild hall. This is all because Makarov said, while drunk at an annual guild meeting, that his guild was better.
  • Tartaros Arc: Jackal, one of Zeref's "Etherious" demons and a member of Tartaros's Nine Demon Gates, is a psychopath who gleefully assassinated the Magic Council in front of Doranbalt. He then goes on to force not one, but two sadistic choices on a former Magic Council member and Lucy, forcing them to choose between their own life and their granddaughter's life, and the life of the Magic Councilor and a pregnant woman respectively, and says that his only real motivation for doing so is that he see humans as playthings. He then later kills one of his own guildmates right in front of Lucy for the crime of annoying him. Out of all of the Etherious, he could very well be the one most deserving of being called a demon.
  • Acnologia, the Black Dragon of the Apocalypse, was once a hero who protected humans from dragons. Succumbing to bloodlust and a love of combat and destruction, Acnologia embraced his transformation into a black dragon, massacring the entire dragon race, even his own allies. Becoming a terrifying scourge on the world, Acnologia annihilates innocents for fun, stopped only from conquering the world by his own boredom. Upon his second appearance in the story, Acnologia brutally kills his old enemy, the Fire Dragon King Igneel in front of the latter's adopted son. When he decides to take center stage in the Invasion of Alvarez, Acnologia targets the other Dragon Slayers to wipe them out and reveals his intention to simply annihilate everything that lives, while keeping the only immortal wizards as playthings to torture forever.
• Courage the Cowardly Dog:
  • Katz stands out in a children’s cartoon as a Serial Killer played straight. While his motives tend to change due to the show’s Negative Continuity, each episode he appears in generally has him using some sort of illegitimate business as a front for committing murders, and his list of past victims is strongly implied to be quite long. In his first appearance, for example, he ran a Hell Hotel where he fed all his guests to spiders. Other episodes have seen him transforming the guests of his health spa into machines and forcing them to fight to the death for his entertainment, threatening to turn Muriel into candy as revenge for her always beating him in a candy-making competition, and trying to blow up a submarine full of people to drive a rival vacation submarine company out of business. In most of his appearances, he challenges Courage to some sort of sport solely to drag out the dog’s suffering for as long as he can. In a series that was already in no short supply of scares, Katz still stood out as the absolute worst the show had to offer.
  • The Great Fusilli, from the eponymous season 1 episode, is a traveling stage magician who lured people onto his stage under the guise of making them famous actors. He would then have them perform for an imaginary audience, in order to use enchanted puppet strings to convert them into lifeless puppets, which he would then play with for his own amusement. Once Courage finds a room filled with the dozens of people he's converted into marionettes, Fusilli turns his owners Muriel and Eustace into puppets while at the same time attempting to dispose of Courage. Although Negative Continuity undoes the effect of Muriel and Eustace's murder, the ending of the episode leaves disturbing implications. Though comparatively minor compared to more major villains of the show, Fusilli was on par with even Katz, and his one appearance in the show proved to be one of the most disturbing episodes of the show's run.
• The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, by Michael Mendheim, Simon Bisley, et al.: Belarios is a demon sent to Earth by his master, Satan himself. Taking on the persona of a Corrupt Corporate Executive, Belarios leads the Nicolaitan cult, which, on Belarios's orders, kills many people while searching for the Seven Seals, which will release the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse and Satan himself, resulting in Hell on Earth. Besides the dozens if not hundreds killed, and the millions if not billions who would be killed if his plan succeeded, Belarios is also responsible for corrupting a US senator; the death of Adam Cahill's wife; and slashing Cahill's young daughter's face, also planning to kill her, when he finds out she has the last Seal.
• American Psycho: Patrick Bateman is a despicable and narcissistic psychopath who moonlights as a horrific mass murderer while keeping up his public image as a stock broker. Bateman's career of torture and murder having started for no discernible reason, his most frequent act of depravity is luring women to his apartment, then brutally raping and butchering them in the most horrifying ways he can imagine. Be it nailing them to the floor, lopping their heads off, or bisecting them with a chainsaw, Bateman indulges in every act of sick cruelty he can muster, and even delves into cannibalizing his victims. Bateman's evil is so petty and unpredictable that he disembowels vagrants after giving them pep talks, takes an axe to one of his associates for, among other slights, having a better business card than him, and tortures defenseless animals. One of his crowning moments of vileness comes when Bateman slashes a child's throat, then pretends to be a doctor trying to save him, just to see how it feels, quickly deciding it isn't as fulfilling as killing someone who has lived a full life and thus loses more when he ends them. After going on a slaughter spree throughout his city, gunning down everyone he sees, Bateman comes to the conclusion that he is completely and totally wicked with no capability of care or compassion for others. Though the idea that some of his crimes were imagined by him is implied, Bateman's character is nevertheless pure evil. Driven by his sadism and pathological desire to be important, Patrick Bateman fully earns the various terms he is referred to as: an inhuman, a ghoul, and a monster.
• Department 19:
  • Dracula, previously known as Vlad Tepes, is the Overarching Villain of the series, the first vampire ever to exist, and, despite his Faux Affably Evil manner, puts all other vampires to shame with his monstrousness. After being resurrected, he devours hundreds, procured for him by Valeri Rusmanov, to regain his full power. He later kidnaps Blacklight Director Henry Seward and subjects him to brutal torture, including ripping out and eating his left eye in Zero Hour, in which he also kills numerous Operators, including Acting Director Cal Holmwood. He is also responsible for turning thousands of violently unstable inmates into powerful vampires, resulting in numerous deaths across the world. After vampires are revealed to the world, he secretly funds anti-vampire attacks to destabilize the UK, as well as to distract Blacklight and possibly the other supernatural departments; this leads to the deaths of several vampires. Once at full power, his first move against humanity is having vampires attack trains and planes, killing tens of thousands. He then seizes the city of Carcassonne in France, taking over 100 hostages, and gives its inhabitants two days to leave. At the deadline, he gives orders to "Burn it down. "Burn it all down." This leads to the deaths of thousands more. His ultimate goal is to Take Over the World, which will result in countless deaths, vampires becoming the dominant species, and even the slightest dissent being punishable by Cruel and Unusual Death.
  • The Rising:
    • Dante Valeriano, the Vampire King of Paris, claims to have been turned by the aforementioned Valeri Rusmanov centuries ago. In truth, Dante is a former peasant named Pierre Depuis who is far younger than he claims. Despite this, Dante runs Paris brutally, painfully killing any vampire who dares object to his rule. On a nightly basis, Dante has humans abducted and brought to his personal theater where they are tortured, murdered and eviscerated on stage with their blood drawn for the thirst of the vampires in attendance. When Frankenstein betrays Dante and rescues a girl who had recognized him from his human life, Dante is left a shattered shell of himself, feeding upon multiple humans to regain power and continuing the horrible "performances" at his theater until he finally captures an amnesiac Frankenstein, fully intending to torture him slowly to death in retribution. While not having the body count of Dracula, Dante's unique brand of sadism, with far fewer resources, stands out.
    • The Mad Scientist Professor Richard Talbot, real name Christopher Reynolds, is the head of Department 19’s Lazarus Project, which aims to reverse vampirism. However, he is in fact trying to find a way to eliminate vampires' weaknesses, a goal which involves brutal torture of vampires. Before escaping, he is in the middle of killing the vampires who are being studied; a young vampire would have been the next victim. He kills the 23 other members of Lazarus with sarin, and was about to kill a teenage member before being shot. We learn that he had done this before, torturing vampires and killing his staff. He is also The Mole for Valeri Rusmanov, and is thus responsible for the kidnapping of Department 19's Director Henry Seward, and the 68 members of Department 19 who are killed—including Kate's boyfriend Shaun Turner—when Valeri leads an attack on Department 19's headquarters. While not having the body count of Dracula or the Rusmanovs, he qualifies as one of the worst humans in the series, despite his seeming-politeness.
  • Battle Lines: General Garcia Rejon, who appears when Larissa Kinley is detailed temporarily to NS9, the US equivalent of Department 19, is a minor Arc Villain who manages to make the most of his limited time. Previously a Mexican general who was discharged for providing security to the Desert drug cartel, he took control of the cartel by ordering the murder, in a single night, of the former leader, as well as all the people connected to him. He was arrested and sent to a Supermax prison, but was one of the prisoners escaped and turned into a super-strong vampire by Dracula's forces. Rejon and his men show he's back in charge by having 68 high-level members of the Desert Cartel brutally killed. When Larissa and the NS9 team launch an assault on Rejon's compound, they unwittingly kill an innocent woman, as she and they other young women who cut and ship the drugs—all in bikinis, as Rejon doesn't trust them and he and the other men "like to look"—were sent, with only knives and machetes, by Rejon, as he wouldn't fight himself. When Larissa confronts Rejon, he claims that the women would "do anything" for jobs, and during the fight constantly calls Larissa "bitch".
• Irene, by Pierre Lemaitre ^note originally titled Travail Soigné (Neat Work) in French: The "Novelist" (Philippe Buisson de Chevesne) copies murders from various crime novels such as American Psycho and The Black Dahlia. The aftermath of these long and drawn out murders, which also include a rape or two, are graphically described. There are six victims, all female, plus at least two or three people killed as collateral damage, before the killer attempts his masterpiece: using his own novel, he kidnaps Irene, the 8-months-pregnant wife of Parisian detective Commandant Camille Verhoeven, who has to rush to save her. Sadly, by the time he gets there, Irene has been killed and the newborn has been ripped out in an impromptu C-section and has been crucified. In the end, the killer writes to Camille that, in his words, all he wanted was:
  "...I was never under any illusion about my talents as a writer...my book {a new one; not the one mentioned above} will sell millions;...in the annals of literature, it will endure. These are things I could never have obtained through my talents alone. I simply sidestepped the obstacles in my path. I shall have earned my fame."
• iZombie: Vaughn Du Clark is the Big Bad of Season 2, despite coming across as an absent-minded goofball. He is indirectly behind the zombie outbreak because the unsafe chemicals in his company’s energy drink is one of the causes of zombieism. Vaughn does not care that the zombies remain sentient, he only cares about how this news will affect his profit. He coerces Major, who can sense zombies, into acting as his hitman in eliminating them by threatening Major’s Love Interest, Liv. Incapable of taking any criticism, Vaughn frequently scours the internet for negative comments about his company and has the posters killed. When a zombie breaks free in his lab, Vaughn flees the scene, abandoning his own daughter to get infected. When he discovers that Major has been hiding the zombies he hunted down instead of killing them, Vaughn locates them and kidnaps them all, keeping them in his lab to test cures for zombieism. All the tests fail and the zombies are turned into mindless, ravenous beasts. Vaughn laughs at Liv when she discovers that one of the mindless zombies was her boyfriend and laughs as she’s forced to kill her lover. Even as his company is overrun by zombies and hundreds of his employees are killed, Vaughn can only think of what this means for his publicity and finances.
• Fury (MAX): Colonel Rudi Gagarin is a former Russian Special Forces officer and trainer who has known, and fought with, Nick Fury for several decades. Desiring nothing but war, which he absolutely loves, Gagarin manipulates General Makawao of Napoleon Island into starting a war with the United States, through such actions as renaming the island "The Peoples Republic of Napoleon Island". Later on, Makawao agrees to go on TV and admit the whole scheme in exchange for Fury and his 3 S.H.I.E.L.D. agents finding his daughters; Gagarin shoots and kills Makawao live on TV before he can admit anything. The US does indeed launch airstrikes against Napoleon Island, resulting in the deaths of nearly 1,000 people, about twice as many injuries, and the devastation of the island. In addition, while Fury himself is also a Blood Knight, there is a major difference between him and Gagarin: Fury is A Father to His Men and hates that the 3 agents got killed. Gagarin, on the other hand, when one of the Napoleon Island soldiers fails him, has Fuckface, who had been hideously deformed—including losing an eye—from a shark accident, rape him and snap his neck, threatening that this will be the fate of any others who let him down.
• Spider-Man: Carnage in New York & Goblin's Revenge: Cletus Kasady, the Serial Killer who was psychotic even before he became the chaos-loving creature known as Carnage, is subjected to an experiment which aims to kill the symbiote without killing Kasady. Unfortunately, Dr. Eric Catrall, who has accidentally created a Psycho Serum which causes anyone subjected to it to go mad with bloodlust, tries to neutralize the effects of the serum bit ends up setting Carnage free. Carnage, after torturing Catrall, goes to a party where he violently murders some 20 or so people, and forces Spider-Man to save more. He then cuts a swath through people at a public event to feed the homeless, and attempts to drop the serum in the food for the homeless, which would cause massive casualties. He is stopped, but while escaping attempts to drop a light fixture on what would be a dozen or so people before Spidey saves them. He is captured, but is broken out by a mercenary team ^{hired by} Norman Osborn (actually The Chameleon, wanting revenge for the death of Kraven the Hunter) and shows his appreciation by playing "the old skin game" with the leader—we are later told he killed 30 or so of the mercenary team—and on his way out cuts one guard's nose off and cuts off the hands of another. He later kills several more people—including killing a man by stuffing dollar bills down his mouth, suffocating him, to steal his hat and coat; and ripping a man's head off to force an airplane to take off— and threatens to kill hostages if Spidey doesn't show up. Finally, when Carnage's rescuer attempts to launch a pumpkin bomb containing a few drops of Catrall's serum at Spidey, Carnage redirects it into a crowd; "fortunately", the only ones affected are a team of 51 mercenaries hired by Catrall's ex-employee to retrieve the serum. As Carnage watches in delight, the men brutally tear each other apart, while the final 5 are shot by the police.
• Fantastic Four: To Free Atlantis, by Nancy A. Collins: Warlord Kreeg is introduced having captured a human, and would have executed said human if not stopped; he has apparently taken humans from boats before, and is notable for his hatred of humanity. His main role is taking part in a conspiracy along with Namor's cousin Byrrah to overthrow Namor and place Byrrah in charge. Kreeg manipulates Byrrah into signing several death warrants, and enjoys watching as an execution is taking place. He later has opponents killed and their heads placed on pikes. He plans to "purify" the undersea kingdoms of not-Atlanteans, and declares were on the surface world by, among other acts, having his forces attempt to blow up all the ships (at the least) of 5 major world harbors, including New York Harbor. He also decapitates a subordinate [who fails him. While appearing to have good intentions, the fact that he is willing to work with a "surface-dweller" such as Doctor Doom shows that he is nothing more than, as Namor himself says, "a fierce and bloody-minded savage".
• Enter/Dark Buster started with his "attempts" to appease his Majesty Messiah. This involves causing misery as much as he likes and pulling Unwilling Roboticisation, even on children, using them as human shields, while having a blast while doing all of this with an unabashedly relaxed, but still nasty speech pattern peppered with French phrases. Even after Messiah is apparently destroyed, he attempts to revive him before later deciding that he would be much better at the job then his lowly creator and escalates his horrors, going so far as to implant himself with two cards containing backups of Messiah's data—one of which also contains Masato Jin's data—in order to become the new Messiah, as well as implant Hiromu with another card to serve as his Soul Jar, forcing the Go-Busters to face the possibility of killing Hiromu in order to stop Messiah once and for all. He even threatens to harm Hiromu so grievously as to put him into a coma, just so that he can keep said Soul Jar alive without worrying about Hiromu attempting to off himself—assuming the card would let him do so.
• Danny Phantom: The Ultimate Enemy: Dark Danny ^note referred to as Dan Phantom in the video game adaptation was once the otherwise-noble Danny Phantom in his timeline. He was born of a fusion between the ghost halves of Danny and his Arch-Enemy, Vlad Masters. The first thing Dark Danny does upon his conception is brutally murder his human half, before embarking on a campaign of random destruction for his own amusement. In the future, Dark Danny has conquered the world and turned it into an apocalyptic wasteland in the process. Realizing that other parties have been meddling in the time stream, Dark Danny decides to personally ensure his rebirth by making sure the catalyst that caused his transformation comes to pass. Since he was created following the deaths of everyone he loved, Dark Danny attempts to murder his parents, his sister, and his two best friends. Dark Danny stood out as being the darkest and most chilling villain in the series, even making the show's previous main villain Vlad Masters want to help and atone for his hand in his creation.
• Wolf Creek franchise: Michael "Mick" Taylor is an Australian killer, rapist, and torturer who preys upon tourists visiting the Wolf Creek area, falsely befriending them before taking them back to his home and slowly torturing them to death. He has killed several dozen people including an entire family, even a little girl. One of his favorite torture methods is "head on a stick", where he severs their spine to turn them into a human vegetable. At the end of the second film, he frames one of his victims for his crimes, leading to the ruination of the victim’s life. The prequel novels Origin and Desolation Game elaborate on this. He killed his mother who loved him dearly, beat a bully so bad he knocked his eyeball from its socket leaving it dangling by the stalk, and killed a dog to force feed it to its owner before killing him too. While being pursued by four other serial killers, Mick tied up his girlfriend Rose and used her as rape bait to lure the killers into a trap, and killed one named Jerry by gutting him and force-feeding him his own intestines. During his time in the Vietnam War, he raped several women and later slaughtered their village, and stabbed an already paralyzed man in the back before cutting his head off and mounting it on a pike. He continued raping, torturing, and killing when he returned home. In the TV miniseries, he murders Eve Thorogood's family, and spends the rest of the series trying to kill her. He captures her Love Interest and tortures him before making her stab and kill her love interest herself.

Happy Day After Thanksgiving (Black Friday, to be precise) and wow did I seriously miss Glory almost getting voted up? It's been a while since I saw any of Season 5 but I do remember enough about that character to have given her an easy vote. She's way too mitigated by too many factors and I recall her end goal was simply to get back to her home dimension rather than anything heinous like dragging the entire world to Hell like Angelus wanted, eating masses of people and reigning over the world as an ascended demon like the Mayor wanted, or whatever the heck it was that Adam wanted.

Whoever proposed Glory...don't do that again. As for everyone else, we need to work on getting all the facts straight before getting hoodwinked into voting up a clear non-example thanks to a convincing con of an EP.

Late to the Underminer. If Syndrome didn't count, there's no way he does given he's even more Laughably Evil and far less heinous. Better to wait for The Incredibles 2 for any future Incredibles supervillain discussion.

edited 24th Nov '17 10:53:16 AM by ANewMan

Anybody else interested in voting on Stevenson?

@Wyldchild: Thanks for the info on Glory. It was very interesting. I should also remind people that while we generally assume moral agency for demons and the like, if it's a show like Buffy where moral agency is often impaired on such beings then we should look for hard evidence of moral agency. If Glory's interactions with the other demon lords were on screen, that would have helped, but there are enough mitigating moments anyway. A late Glory.

I agree with not bringing up Thanos. He might count but he's not worth the effort.

Welp, King Jack de Ripper. What an odd version of the villain. The only thing that might have been mitigating is him seeming to grateful to Diana, but he stomps on that harder than someone that stomps something very hard.

I wonder how many other canon Wondie villains are left? Poison and Psycho and... that other one are pretty bad, but you never know.

EDIT: Oh, yeah, count me as an for Stevenson.

edited 24th Nov '17 11:45:19 AM by PolarPhantom

Anyone mind if I look into the Danish film Nattevagten? It's the original version of the film Nightwatch and I know that the villain from Nightwatch is a CM.

edited 24th Nov '17 12:17:37 PM by k410ren

We have about 4 canon Wonder Woman villains that count : Dr poison, psycho, Sebastian something and that evil Amazon lady whoose name I can't remember.

There are probably a few more but there probably just going to be one-off or single arc villains like thousand from Spider-Man. Her main villains / Arch-Enemy 's don't count as Ares can be a dick sometimes but he does have a few Pet the Dog moments and there frequent enough that he's not portrayed as this trope, Circe loves her daughter and that's always been a thing with her and cheetah gets hit with Depending on the Writer that she isn't played as pure evil consistently enough to count.

edited 24th Nov '17 12:20:57 PM by miraculous

We DID have Alkyone, but she was removed (I can't remember why); and Genocide for, I believe, lacking moral agency.

to King Jack.

Yeah, Genocide in particular absolutely cannot count given that she's literally made from the soil on which actual genocides took place.

Here is a write up for Anthony Greer:

• Black Dawn: Anthony Greer is a corrupt CIA agent who wants to destroy an office building in Los Angeles. To overshadow the destruction of the building and keep attention away from himself, he masterminds a long series of events which lead to a terrorist group acquiring a nuclear bomb that they plan to use to destroy all of Los Angeles. Greer frames Jonathan Cold for a series of murders in an attempt to keep him from interfering. Near the end, he shoots and kills the leader of the terrorists, Nicholi, taunting him about the fact that he was just a pawn in his plan.

So, years ago, I went through both seasons of Canadian cop show Cracked looking for contenders. No one qualified. Then I realized I'd missed somebody.

Who is Reginald Slater? What has he done?

Reginald "Reg" Slater is a trucker with a route carrying him across four provinces. He's also a murderer of First Nations women, running them off the road, kidnapping them, and then torturing them to death. His preferred method of murder is to cut concentric circles into their backs, getting deeper with each each ring, causing the victim to slowly bleed out, the volume of blood loss increasing with each deeper cut. When they pass out, he finishing them with a knife thrust and dumps the corpse.

When the episode opens, police are investigating the murder of Ellen Owens, Reg's most recent victim—and have arrested the wrong man, picking up First Nations man Lazarus Keefe, who due to speaking a dead language and next to no English, cannot defend himself. Reg, in the meantime, stops off at the cafe where Ellen's sister works, and creeps on her sister, Kaya Grey. He snaps a picture of Kaya and plasters it to a mug, then asks her to save it for him on the top shelf, and not to let anyone else touch it. When she puts the mug away we see that there are several other mugs with pictures of other women, including Ellen, on them.

While the police continue to bark up the wrong tree with Lazarus, Reg runs First Nations woman Lucy Mack and her children off of the road. Leaving the kids in the back of Lucy's car, Reg kidnaps Lucy and tortures her to death the same way he did Ellen, leaving her at the side of the road. In the meantime, protagonist Aiden Black has dug up eight other murders that share Reg's MO. Realizing that Lazarus is innocent and the killer must be a trucker, Aiden heads to the truck stop and starts a conversation with Reg, who is again harassing Kaya. Reg gloats to Aiden about his entirely hypothetical love of watching someone's life ebb away, while making racist remarks about First Nations women being tattooed, badly dressed trash. Aiden announces that the police will be searching Reg's rig; unfortunately, Reg has just switched trailers; he snickers to Kaya that there will be no evidence while proceeding to run his hands over her.

At this point Kaya drives a steak knife through Reg's hand, pinning him to the table. Reg pulls out the knife and threatens her with it while demanding the police arrest her. As the cops try to deal with the situation, Lazarus, recently released from prison, grabs Reg from behind, takes the knife, and stabs him through the heart.

Are his actions heinous by the standards of the story?

Reg killed ten women that we know of, and given the fate of the other women on the mugs at the truck stop, was presumably planning to kill Kaya as well. The only villains in the show to top him were Idaris John, who did all his killing during the civil war in the DRC, and the two unnamed shooters from the show's finale, who shot up their apartment complex with automatic weapons. Of those, Idaris' murders are all offscreen and cannot count towards the series' heinous standards, while the Evil Duo were, well, a duo, and were far more heavily armed than Reg.

Pass.

Any redeeming qualities?

None. Reg's screentime consists of making racist commentary and creeping on Kaya.

Pass.

Freudian Excuse or other mitigating factors?

Aiden's crack about how Reg must be a bastard ("That's a stupid name. You get it from your father? Oh wait, you wouldn't know who he is, would you?") seems to get to Reg and there's the implication that it might be true. That said, there's no version of reality were "My father left me" so much as explains murdering First Nations women, let alone acts as a mitigating factor.

Pass.

Final verdict?

Reg isn't exactly a complex character, but he's got enough personality to clear the GDV barrier, and his actions are among the worst in the show. He's an easy keep.

Thoughts?

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