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Note: This thread was proposed by kundoo.

The problem: Misuse. The trope has 72 wicks, I checked them all and only 7 are correct. Most likely reason is the name: it's non-descriptive and confusing, especially since the Trope Namer is not an example. But even when used correctly this trope is simply Status Quo Is God meets Christmas Episode. If Status Quo Is God is already established, applying it specifically to Christmas doesn't seem to warrant a separate trope.

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Possible solution:

  • Honestly, I don't think it's salvageable. Euthanize it.
  • However, there might be some potential, if we rename it and restrict to examples, where characters reverting to being jerks after the "Christmas effect" is gone, is commented in-universe or is clearly depicted as a plot point. Not sure if it wouldn't still be just a variation of Status Quo Is God.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Oct 10th 2022 at 8:22:52 AM

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#1: Oct 7th 2022 at 5:45:49 AM

To-do list:

    Original post 
Note: This thread was proposed by kundoo.

The problem: Misuse. The trope has 72 wicks, I checked them all and only 7 are correct. Most likely reason is the name: it's non-descriptive and confusing, especially since the Trope Namer is not an example. But even when used correctly this trope is simply Status Quo Is God meets Christmas Episode. If Status Quo Is God is already established, applying it specifically to Christmas doesn't seem to warrant a separate trope.

wick check

Possible solution:

  • Honestly, I don't think it's salvageable. Euthanize it.
  • However, there might be some potential, if we rename it and restrict to examples, where characters reverting to being jerks after the "Christmas effect" is gone, is commented in-universe or is clearly depicted as a plot point. Not sure if it wouldn't still be just a variation of Status Quo Is God.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Oct 10th 2022 at 8:22:52 AM

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#2: Oct 7th 2022 at 5:46:14 AM

Paging ~kundoo to the thread.

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#3: Oct 7th 2022 at 5:46:59 AM

Personally, due to all the misuse, I think we can just redirect to Christmas Episode due to it being a case of X Meets Y between Christmas Episode and Status Quo Is God.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Oct 7th 2022 at 8:26:04 AM

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#5: Oct 7th 2022 at 6:09:45 AM

I'm in favour of merging (to Christmas Episode, probably) as opposed to disambiguating.

Edited by Adept on Oct 7th 2022 at 8:10:33 PM

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#6: Oct 7th 2022 at 6:20:04 AM

Merging sounds good.

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#10: Oct 7th 2022 at 8:16:18 AM

[tup] Merge

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#12: Oct 7th 2022 at 8:48:31 AM

Now that I think about it, merging seems like a good idea.

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#19: Oct 8th 2022 at 5:07:07 PM

For the record This Index Is Not an Example lists the trope as "Christmas time not being treated as a big deal by characters".

Edited by randomtroper89 on Oct 8th 2022 at 7:07:31 AM

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#20: Oct 8th 2022 at 6:19:49 PM

It would appear whoever wrote the blurb was confused by the trope, too, or wrote it before the trope definition evolved/decayed.

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#21: Oct 10th 2022 at 6:15:32 AM

Let's go ahead and merge with Christmas Episode.

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#22: Oct 10th 2022 at 6:21:54 AM

I did what was done with another recent thread and moved on-page examples to a sandbox (Sandbox.Do They Know Its Christmas Time) to make sorting easier.

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#23: Oct 10th 2022 at 12:11:23 PM

Archiving wick check here.


    Correct usage (Characters learn to be better people during Christmas episode, then it's forgotten) 7/ 72 
  • Buzz Lightyear of Star Command - Do They Know It's Christmas Time?: XR learns to be more selfless and caring in the Christmas Episode "Holiday Time", but after that he's back to being his self-centered self
  • Recap.The Fairly Odd Parents S 1 E 13 Christmas Every Day - Do They Know It's Christmas Time?: At the beginning, a mailman and an angry dog make peace on Christmas. At the end, they're happy to go back to being enemies. Subverted with Vicky, who's as rotten as ever.
  • Recap.Its Always Sunny In Philadelphia S 06 E 13 A Very Sunny Christmas - Do They Know It's Christmas Time?: Although much of the episode's humor is very dark, it still contains a good deal more heartwarming moments than a typical Sunny episode, and is one of the few in the series' run that ends on a fairly positive note with the gang being brought closer together. - Possible example, since it doesn't specify that all newfound appreciation is forgotten, but it's still implied that the Status Quo remains.
  • The Stories of John Cheever - Do They Know It's Christmas Time?: In "Christmas Is a Sad Season for the Poor" Charlie the elevator operator grouses about how he lives in a single-room apartment and has to work an elevator on Christmas Day for the rich folks. He gets a bunch of food and presents from the uncommonly generous rich folks in the apartment building, which leads him to bring home a big bunch of stuff for the landlady of his apartment building and her kids—but the landlady's kids have plenty of presents so she rushes out to give the stuff to someone else.
    "...she knew that we are bound, one to another, in licentious benevolence for a single day, and that day was nearly over."
  • The Famous Five - Do They Know It's Christmas Time?: In Five Go Adventuring Again, the Five are spending Christmas at Kirrin Cottage. George spends most of the book sulking because nobody will share her intense dislike for their tutor Mr Roland. She has never had a Christmas tree before, and looks forward to it, but it is spoilt for her because Mr Roland buys all the things that make it look beautiful. The others plead with her not to spoil Christmas; she compromises by being civil on the day itself, and stiffly thanks Mr Roland for his present to her, before reverting to her stubborn self the following day.
  • All for Nothing - The Do They Know It's Christmas Time? episode of Degrassi Junior High is about Arthur and Yick learning to stay friends even though Arthur is richer and Yick is more rebellious. The lesson sticks for the whole series. But in Degrassi High, they almost stop being friends completely for those same reasons. - Aversion? Subversion? Double Subversion?
  • Heartwarming.Peanuts - "Snoopy's Christmas". The Red Baron considers pulling the trigger on Snoopy but is moved to kindness when he hears church bells ringing. He orders Snoopy to land his plane in the Rhineland and greets him with "Merry Christmas, my friend!" They have a toast together and then go their separate ways.
    Just Christmas Episode 14/ 72 
    Christmas being "commercialized"/Christmas being divorced from Christianity 6/ 72 
    Something bad happens on Christmas 1/ 72 
  • Babe - Some of the Hoggett flock is stolen on Christmas Day.
    People being nice to each other on Christmas (but it's not a Christmas Episode) 4/ 72 
  • FriendlyEnemy.Western Animation - Sylvester the Cat and Tweety Bird could also be this. In the "Holly-Daze" Christmas CD recorded by Mel Blanc, Bugs is surprised to catch them going Christmas shopping together, although they're plotting to buy each other presents that will sabotage their respective plans.
    Bugs: Dat's friendship if I ever heard it!
  • Happy Marriage Charade - Maybe one of them is a Gold Digger and knows that if they get divorced, the ride on the gravy train is over. Maybe it's the holiday season, and they don't want to ruin Christmas (or whatever they celebrate) by dropping the D-bomb, or face the criticism from all the relatives that have come to visit. - Part of the trope description
  • The Ref - Subverted throughout the movie, then played almost straight at the end.
    • Lampshaded and Defied in an exchange between Connie and her daughter, Mary, about the "criminal on the loose":
      Mary: Maybe they'll catch him and let him go in the spirit of Christmas.
      Connie: That is not the spirit of Christmas. The spirit of Christmas is either you're good or you're punished and you burn in hell.
  • Batman Returns - Played with in a number of ways.
    • The Mayor is saddened by the Red Triangle Gang's urban destruction and consoles the crowd by saying that the community should come together during Christmas, no matter how clichéd that sounds. ("I don't care what the cynics say.")
    • You could argue that much of the plot hinges on this trope. The Gothamites (well, most of them) show unusual tolerance and understanding toward the Penguin...even though, deformity notwithstanding, he gives them plenty of reasons not to. This might just be because they all have the warm fuzzies due to what time of year it is. (A deleted line even has one Gothamite remarking that "He helps you remember the true meaning of the holiday.")
    • I wish I could hand out world peace and unconditional love wrapped in a big bow."
    • Subverted by Bruce when he sees Selina on the street and notices how sad she is. He guesses that she must have "the holiday blues," probably because it takes one to know one.
    Someone knows it's Christmas time 3/ 72 
    Someone doesn't have Christmas Spirit 3/ 72 
    ZCE 11/ 72 
    Administrivia 17/ 72 
    Unclear examples 4/ 72 
  • SouthPark.Tropes A To D - Do They Know It's Christmas Time?:
    • Subverted in "Red Sleigh Down"; Santa Claus is taken prisoner in Baghdad and Jesus leads a commando mission to rescue him. Santa makes it out alive, but Jesus is shot and killed during the escape, which prompts Santa to give a conclusory speech about how Jesus died for him and decrees that every Christmas they remember Jesus and the sacrifice he made.
    • Also parodied in the first Halloween episode. At the end of said episode, Stan says he learned that, "Halloween isn't about costumes, or candy. It's about being good to one another, and giving and loving." He is then told by Kyle that it actually applies to Christmas and that Halloween is about, in fact, costumes and candy.
    • Going even further back, "The Spirit of Christmas," the original South Park short, concludes with "Christmas is about presents."
  • WebOriginal.Dirty Laundry An Alternate1980s - Do They Know It's Christmas Time?: invoked Andrew has gone on record and stated that the charity supergroup phenomenon of the 1980s has been butterflied. Since Band Aid falls into the category, the trope-naming song goes out the window.
  • Dora the Explorer - Do They Know It's Christmas Time?: Boots wonders out loud whether Swiper would swipe on Christmas, and Dora doesn't put it past him.
  • Goof Troop - Do They Know It's Christmas Time?: "A Goof Troop Christmas" is one of the only times in the entire series any religion is mentioned at all, although there's a line in "Max-Imum Insecurity" and one in "Fool's Gold" that suggest the characters are monotheistic.

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#24: Oct 10th 2022 at 1:44:07 PM

I took care of some of the on-page examples. I'm taking a break right now because I'm currently sick, so I'm worn out right now.

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