GastonRabbit
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
from Robinson, Illinois, USA
(General of TV Troops)
Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
#27: Oct 21st 2021 at 8:25:10 PM
I like the Tone Shift Character rename suggestion.
As for why this is misused, it's probably due to Trope-Namer Syndrome (if Cerebus Syndrome and Reverse Cerebus Syndrome are misused as well, ditto for them).
Edited by GastonRabbit on Oct 21st 2021 at 10:25:26 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
MasterN
Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
from Florida- I mean Unova
Since: Aug, 2016
Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
#28: Oct 21st 2021 at 9:56:17 PM
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
It certainly looks that way from my Cerebus Syndrome Wick Check.
namra
Since: Sep, 2021
#29: Oct 22nd 2021 at 9:43:50 AM
Shall we bring Cerebus Syndrome into this discussion?
MasterN
Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
from Florida- I mean Unova
Since: Aug, 2016
Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
#30: Oct 22nd 2021 at 11:22:58 AM
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
Yes, because that is related to this trope- specifically, we need to see if the name is the issue.
Speaking of, I finished the check. Here it is:
Wicks checked: 60/57
Correct Use (11/57)
- ComicBook.Cerebus The Aardvark description: Cerebus the Aardvark is a comic book created by Dave Sim that developed slowly from episodic comedy to high drama to Author Tract.
- Anime.School Days description: While the original game was a story that aimed to subvert the Harem genre with its many twists and dark themes, this anime series takes it Up To Eleven by presenting a story that starts out with a happy innocent mood, but gradually becomes much darker[...]
- Series.Wanda Vision: What starts as a goofy throwback to classic sitcoms of yesteryear featuring two superheroes in the starring roles, with occasional moments of Surprise Creepy, slowly morphs into a somber and touching examination of how a lifetime of loss and crushing grief have affected Wanda.
- RuneScape.Tropes A To G: The game has increasingly been said to exhibit this as Jagex has moved away from Lighter and Softer elements like the penguins' quest line and the wacky random events in favour of Darker and Edgier quest lines and remakes of or sequels to existing quests. This has proceeded to such an extent that "Bringing Home the Bacon" was specifically advertised by Jagex as being conceived as a more comedic quest — and even it had the player aiding a character in all-but-explicitly committing murder and concealing the evidence.
- Zigzagged in more recent times, though. While the main storyline remains rather dark and epic in scope most of the time, there's still recent Lighter and Softer content like Violet is Blue.
- Literature.The Pendragon Adventure: The series does this as it goes along. The earlier books were very light, and almost cartoonish. But the books that conclude the series are very dark.
- Blog.MLP Is Real: It started as another Tumblr with funny moments, and then it drifted into the romantic/drama category in just a few questions. Some strips contained a bit of humor, but overall they still focus on the romance.
- ComicBook.The Night Gwen Stacy Died description: The editors decided that the Goblin could not go unpunished for this, and so he died in the next issue, impaled by his own glider. From this point onward, Spider-Man's world (along with the comic book industry in general) had become considerably darker, forever haunted by the uncertainty of what had actually killed Gwen.
- Comic Strip:For Better Or For Worse: Early comics, as shown by some of the reruns Johnston has done, were gag-a-day strips with the same general range of humor as Marvin or Baby Blues. Later on, the strip developed a serious streak where the jokes would be mild to nonexistent for brief periods; for example, the coming-out story often had very gentle jokes in the last panel at best. The strip went into turnaround mode as it neared the end, ending almost every single strip in a groan-inducing bad pun, no matter how serious the content is supposed to be.
- Manga.Kannagi Crazy Shrine Maidens: Earlier chapters/episodes focus on comedy and lighthearted situations involving the characters, and the supernatural aspect of Nagi's divine origin is only lightly touched on. As the story goes on, the material noticeably shifts towards exploring the more serious facets of the series, including Hakua's past, Nagi and Jin's search into her origins, and the reason for the impurities existence.
- Machinima.Final Fantasy VII Machinabridged: The first two seasons are fairly comedy-centric, with more jokes being told and more character interactions that are humor-based. Even after Sephiroth entered the picture in Episode 10, jokes were still told even though he firmly remained a Knight of Cerebus. Starting about halfway through the third season, things took a gradually-darker turn (somewhat in-line with the game). By the time the party returns to Midgar to deal with Hojo, story beats are being played completely straight with almost zero comedy or levity like there was before.
- WesternAnimation.Trollz: The latter half of the show's a bit darker than the first, with story arcs about the two remaining Ancients who have undergone a Baleful Polymorph, the girls accidentally causing magic to disappear, and Simon taking over Trollzopolis via brainwashing 4 of the girls to become evil.
Misuse (Non-serial and/or Already Dark Work) (33/57)
- Anime.Dog Days:
- Season 1 Episode 9 really hammers it in. Ultimately subverted when the show returns to its light-hearted mood on Episode 11.
- In Dash Episode 06, Couvert accidentally releases an ancient Demon Lord. Subverted again when he turns out to be a huge pervert frequently at the mercy of the very first Hero.
- The first quarter of Double Dash focuses on the three kingdoms being alerted of a critical mass of demons surrounding the Dragon Forest, which can threaten to destabilize Flonyard again. Subverted yet again once the threat is dealt with.
- Anime.Puella Magi Madoka Magica The Movie Rebellion: The movie starts out even Lighter and Softer than the anime pretended to be, then quickly delves back into the dark and Mind Screw themes that the anime was known for. The series was already dark, so this doesn't fit, especially because it's a movie and not a serial work.
- Series.The Amazing Race: Not so much of the show, but the attitude of the teams coming in has definitely shifted towards the darker over the course of the series. In the early seasons, the general attitude was one of a bunch of people taking an epic adventure around the world together, and there just so happened to be a million dollar prize at the end. Teams who played cutthroat were generally despised by the audience and the other teams, and were cut as the villains. Sometime around the first All-Stars, the general attitude shifted from "playing fair" to "playing to win".
- Also contributing to this is the elimination of the "eat, sleep, and mingle" Pit Stops during Season 14, which means teams in later seasons spend a lot less time socializing with each other, and are therefore more willing to play cutthroat.
- The biggest example of this shift is from Unfinished Business, where fans got upset about the teams working too much together, and giving each other answers to challenges. In the early seasons, this kind of cooperation was normal.
- Series.The Office US: Hollywood Law (as well as Hollywood Finance): There is almost no onscreen fallout from Ryan's fraud indictment beyond him simply being fired from Dunder-Mifflin. This should have led to serious consequences for David Wallace (as his supervisor) and virtually all of the cast (who were material witnesses). However, between seasons 4 and 5 the prosecution simply evaporates and is barely mentioned again. This is partially an aversion of Cerebus Syndrome and partially a Rule of Funny, but it's jarring nonetheless.
- VerySpecialEpisode.Western Animation: Season 15's "You're Getting Old" is a fairly straight VSE, both for its subject matter (depression and the cynicism that comes with age, as well as Randy and Sharon getting a divorce) and for marking the show's shift towards more serious character development and angst. Uh, this show has never been serious.
- VideoGame.Anna: Much less of it than other examples out there, but the contrast between a peaceful landscape outside of the house and the absolutely terrifying interior is rather off-putting.
- VideoGame.Kirby Mass Attack: Darker and Edgier: With a Big Bad that's played straight as the first (and so far only) Eldritch Abomination in the games to ACTUALLY come close to killing Kirby, in contrast to the other antagonists (Eldritch Abominations included) that Kirby CONSTANTLY trounces despite their difficulty and styles of attack, along with a series of elements exclusive to this game that would result in the deaths of certain Kirbys if not avoided, and however many Kirbys were eliminated by the Big Bad's mooks until only one was left every time they left one of the islands, this game can easily be considered the darkest out of all the Kirby games, completely sealed in Cerebus Syndrome compared to the other games. Also misuse of darker and edgier, and a clear exaggeration to make the game sound "cooler" (because dark and edgy = cool) than it actually is.
- VideoGame.Logical Journey Of The Zoombinis: Tone Shift: With possibly a hint of Cerebus Syndrome. The first leg of the journey is bright and silly. However, once the player passes Shade Tree, things get substantially darker (in terms of lighting and content) and more serious.
- VideoGame.Omori: Once Black Space is unlocked, the story takes a turn for the worse. The creepy elements that were in the background are put into the spotlight, with the reveal that the source of Sunny's problems stem from him accidentally killing his sister Mari, and Basil helped him cover it up as a suicide to escape responsibility. You also lose access to the silly and colorful Headspace as Sunny has to deal with problems in the real world and can't hide from the truth anymore. Then, after everyone else comes together for a sleepover before Sunny leaves, in the middle of the night, Basil begins to go insane, and when Sunny goes to help him, the shared guilt causes the two of them to beat each other up so badly that they're left hospitalized; and for Omori to try and take control from a weakened and despairing Sunny to make him commit suicide.
- The Hikikomori Route is more darker and depressing than the Main Route, to the point where Black Space becomes something closer to .flow in terms of tone and atmosphere. By the end, Sunny choses to have Omori to take over completely then confront the awful thing that he did. The ending has Omori either commit suicide or quietly move out of Faraway Town while Basil kills himself offscreen.
- VideoGame.Pokemon Sword And Shield: Lighter and Softer: Compared to Generations V, VI, and VII, which were heavily plot-driven and featured morally-complex characters and increasingly apocalyptic scenarios, Sword and Shield scale it back quite a bit. The adventure this time around is a much more straightforward affair reminiscent of earlier games, and for the most part the bulk of the plot happens offscreen right until the very end, when Cerebus Syndrome kicks in and you have to stop a dangerous Legendary from destroying Galar - and even then, the villain isn't planning on outright genocide or child murder.
- Literature.A Series Of Unfortunate Events: Zig-Zagged. The series starts moving from darkness and Grimm-style misery into comedy and wackiness but then slides back into darkness again in the later books. The end of book five is when things really start to get dark.
- Laconic.Spookys Jump Scare Mansion: Satirically cute horror game where you explore the Haunted House of a Cute Ghost Girl filled with jump scares... among other things.
- JustForFun.The Ugly Barnacle: The beginning of the story seems upbeat and implies the Barnacle will overcome his ugliness but then everyone dies. I know it's a joke page, but it's still misuse because this isn't a serial work.
- Film.Django Unchained: Once Calvin and Stephen are presented on screen, the plot of the film focuses much more on the drama than the Black Comedy.
- ICarly.Tropes A To E: iOMG is the first of a five episode 'arc' involving the Sam/Freddie 'romance'. The first promo from the 2nd episode is void of comedy, and instead concentrates on kissing, and Sam wondering if she has 'lost her mind' for liking Freddie. The tone returns to normal after the arc.
- Funny.Conkers Bad Fur Day: Then we get the Saving Private Ryan parody. It's pretty dark, but one soldier on the boat gets some Black Comedy in before things ramp up...
- SHC Soldier: Okay! Thirty seconds! Nice knowing you, guys!
- Film.The Soloist: The second half is far more dramatic and serious than the first, although for slightly different reasons than most works. Whereas the light-hearted works usually grow darker in attempt to be more mature, here some particularly jarring humour has been crammed in the beginning, apparently in an attempt to lure in the Robert Downey Jr. fans who wouldn’t normally watch such a film.
- Film.What Women Want: The movie pretty much drops the comedy in the last half-hour, which makes sense considering he costs Darcy her job (and loses her in the process), Nick's daughter gets an unwanted advance at her prom, the file girl is missing and believed to have committed suicide, and he loses his powers. Everything works out, though.
- WesternAnimation.The Sponge Bob Square Pants Movie: Zig-Zagged. There are some pretty heavy themes addressed over the course of the movie, such as depression, alcoholism, and murder. In fact, the particular scene of Patrick and SpongeBob at Shell City is so emotional it literally causes the audience to break out into tears. Which is all totally at odds with the TV show. The writers of course always manage to put a fairly comedic spin on things anyways, leading to several a Mood Whiplash.
- Film.Lord Of War: The film becomes less funny and more serious when Yuri decides to start doing business in Africa. There's still a lot of black humor when he first starts doing so, but it soon morphs into drama and tragedy.
- Film.Happy Death Day 2 U: While the comedy is still very present, this time Tree faces moral decisions that can get heart-wrenching. Especially as her mother is still alive in the alternate timeline.
- Anime.Kill La Kill: The series was pretty dark to begin with, but when Nui Harime and Ragyo Kiryuin show up, things start to become Serious Business. Example outright admits the series was serious (although granted, the earlier episodes were more over-the-top and goofy, and while that never quite goes away it does become more serious as it goes on, so it could be a correct example with rewriting).
- Anime.Tweeny Witches: The series was pretty dark to begin with, but when Sigma and the warlocks show up, things start to become serious.
- ComicBook.Monicas Gang: Pretty much any story written by Emerson de Abreu.
- The "Flying Donkey" arc introduces us to the biggest horrors in this series' history, Jim stayed dead for most of it, Sunny's Future self comes back to the present timeline to stop Jim from turning the world into a Crapsack World as he did in Future!Sunny's original timeline. By exorcising the spirit of the Flying Donkey, the protagonists may have played Unwitting Pawn to the Children of Umbra that they thought were victims at first but are hinted to have become evil after 20 years in limbo, and if Future!Denise's words at the end of Issue #79 are any indication, it's not over yet.
- The Reversed Tower arc (#90-92) is this as well, by making Captain Fray an agent of the pestilence which threatens to corrode the world and reshape it to their own notion of order. The gang has to resort to Maggy's innate magic to guide them, but it falls upon Smudge, the closest person to Captain Fray, to save everyone from the growing madness of the titular place - a series of underground levels designed in the fashion of Dante's Inferno by an elite group to assume control over humankind, and upon which an orphanage was built as a front, to which a child Fray was sent after his parents died from a landslide. It turns out that he made a pact with the Serpent, the leader of the insects, to have his life saved in the event, and in return they gave him powers that cause corrosion and decay. Once he reaches adulthood, the Serpent comes to demand he becomes the bearer of the Curse of Pestilence, for if he refuses, it will pass on to the person he loves the most - his nephew, Smudge. And that is how he became the Captain Fray we know.
- Literature.Mogworld: The last third of the book is far darker with what came before it. Meryl is deleted by Si-Mon, Mogworld is reset to the beginning of time by Jim, essentially destroying it, Thaddeus is incinerated by Barry, and Jim crosses the Despair Event Horizon.
- VideoGame.Five Nights At Freddys AR Special Delivery: The skins at the start aren't necessarily scary and more light-hearted, like Freddy with a firework, Bonnie as a chocolate bunny, or Chica dressed as the Statue of Liberty. Later events however brought in skins that not only looked more menacing, like the Valentines Day or Heatwave skins, but some look more like actual monsters than animatronics, such as the Wicked Tides and Forest skins. Balloon Boy especially manages to get some skins that only vaguely resemble the animatronic boy.
- VideoGame.Eversion: The game does this. The game starts off as a cutesy 2D scroller with colorful environments and non-threatening enemies. As you use your Eversion power more and more, the game starts taking a dark turn. Environments are gloomier, the music changes, and enemies seem noticeably depressed. Eventually, the game starts to look more like a nightmare than a happy platformer. You start to realize the effects your power has on the world around you, but you can't stop using the power if you want to progress. Fits more under Surprise Creepy.
- Manga.Black Lagoon: Season One definitely had some dark themes, but Season Two was really dark. And then "Roberta's Blood Trail" happened.
- Music.Fables Of The Reconstruction: The music becomes bleaker and more dour on this album, influenced by the mood of the recording sessions in snowy London.
- WesternAnimation.Hilda: Downplayed. Season 2 is a tad bit darker than the first season, featuring non-graphic death, non-graphic child death and significantly higher stakes compared to the first season. However, the show doesn't quite go too far into Cerebus Syndrome, and still keeps its general tone. If it's not significantly darker, then it doesn't fit.
- PlayingWith.Horrible Camping Trip: The campgoers' Humiliation Conga is the opening "comedy" part of a Do Not Go Into The Woods Hillbilly Horrors film. Things become very dark very fast in the middle act.
- WebVideo.The Horribly Slow Murder With The Extremely Inefficient Weapon: By Ginosaji vs. Ginosaji, Jack's situation is so pitiful that it's becoming hard to find it funny, culminating in him being dragged an indeterminate amount of miles by a bus (while still being hit with a spoon) and then suffocated (while still being hit with a spoon) to the point that he hallucinates about a "happy place," only to wake up in a full body cast (while still being hit with a spoon). He attempts to kill himself by jumping off a building... which still fails. It's hard not to feel sorry for him, even though his plight is Played for Laughs. If it's Played for Laughs, then it doesn't fit.
- Funny.OFF: The weird premise alone is funny enough. Well, before the game goes into Cerebus Syndrome, that is. The game is dark from the very beginning, even if it has funny moments.
- Magazine.Mac Addict:
- The original letters section was downright wacky, with things like "I love the sticky stuff that comes on the Macintosh", and "Did you know that Macintosh spelled backwards is Hsotnicam? I could make a new video-capture product with that name. —Ed Latimer, Hsotnicam Director, Founder, and President".
- Early on, the magazine was very bright and colorful. By the 2000s, it got a sterile, white makeover.
- Film.Splash: The movie starts out as a fairly light-hearted romance film. Then it gets a lot more serious when Madison's secret is exposed and she's taken prisoner by the government, endangering her life.
Unsure (9/57)
- Series.Home Improvement: While the series never abandoned its comedy roots, the later seasons saw more serious plotlines, such as complications from Jill's hysterectomy surgery, or Randy leaving for Costa Rica for a year and the effect that has on the family.
- Series.The Fresh Prince Of Bel Air: The series started off as a lighthearted comedy about the young, funky, foul-mouthed Will Smith living with his rich, stuffy relatives in Bel-Air. The series went on to explore increasingly controversial topics, like racial discrimination ("Mistaken Identity"), fatherhood and abandonment ("Papa's Got a Brand New Excuse"), gun violence ("Bullets Over Bel-Air"), alcoholism ("You've Got to Be a Football Hero"), and even drug use ("Just Say Yo"). The later episodes included several "serious moments" where actor Will Smith cries, screams, or breaks down. There was often no laugh track to end the show, opting instead for a somber, silent cut to the credits.
- ComicBook.Iznogoud: When the series was taken over by Tabary after Goscinny's death; while the stories remained mostly comical, they switched from eight to twelve page vignettes to 40+ page adventures more akin to Asterix, with Iznogoud occasionally switching from Villain Protagonist to Anti-Hero.
- Literature.The Game: Hits about halfway through the book as the lighthearted antics of becoming a PUA turns into a battle for power and struggle for self-fulfillment.
- JustForFun.Candle Cove: The show gets progressively more disturbing and disjointed throughout the series. Kinda hard to determine the validity of this example because the show doesn't exist.
- ComicBook.Eightball: While there the series never shied away from the dark and dramatic, early issues also featured a mix of comedic pieces of all stripes, from satire to absurdist humor. As Clowes became recognized more for his serious-toned work, though, the proliferation of humor pieces decreased. Acknowledged by Clowes when he released Twentieth-Century Eightball, a collection of all the funny bits from the early days.
- Manga.Tokyo Ghoul: About the first quarter of :re is very light-hearted compared to the original series (one of the first scenarios is the Quinx attempting to steal Sasaki's underwear). It isn't very long before the series reverts to the tone of the original, however, and at times is even darker.
- Fanfic.Ruby And Nora: The several instances of Death by Adaptation make this story more serious in comparison, and it's not something that they'll recover from as the series goes on.
- Franchise.Winnie The Pooh: Okay, it's Winnie-the-Pooh. so it's still pretty lighthearted, but compared to the original books there is a subtle undercurrent that wasn't there in the original books, mostly concerning Cristopher Robin growing older.
ZCE (8/57)
- Literature.Pavlovs Dogs: Deliberately invoked at the start of the novel as things seem semi-under control.
- Film.The Little Rascals: The series took a noticeable turn towards drama during the 1930-1932 era and the MGM era.
- Film.Alices Restaurant: The movie recounts about all the events of "The Alice's Restaurant Massacree", but the true emphasis is on the miserable marriage of Alice and her alcoholic husband.
- Anime.Battle Girls Time Paradox: Episode 9, definitely.
- Anime.Mai Hime: The show starts off fairly comedic with only a few dramatic elements dropped in. That doesn't last long...
- Anime.Tsuritama: Several characters are in mortal danger at times, but ultimately Everybody Lives.
- Manga.Fatal Chaos: The story takes a sharp turn once Max is heavily injured by the Judo Chick.
- Literature.Catch Twenty Two: Done intentionally.
Piterpicher
Veteran Editor IV
from Poland, for real
(Series 2)
Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Veteran Editor IV
#31: Oct 25th 2021 at 1:33:58 AM
Good check. We already have a Tone Shift supertrope though, for what that's worth...
Edited by Piterpicher on Oct 25th 2021 at 10:38:40 AM
Currently mostly inactive. An incremental game I tested: https://galaxy.click/play/176 (Gods of Incremental)
GastonRabbit
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
from Robinson, Illinois, USA
(General of TV Troops)
Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
#32: Oct 25th 2021 at 2:29:53 AM
In the case of renaming Cerebus Syndrome, what about More Serious And Dramtic or More Dramatic And Serious, to go with Darker and Edgier and Lighter and Softer?
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
MissConduct
Chew.
from Duwang
(Rule of Seven)
Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
Chew.
#33: Oct 25th 2021 at 7:31:32 AM
I've been wanting to change the names of all the Cerebus Syndrome related pages (Cerebus Retcon, Cerebus Call-Back, etc.) for a while now, it's always reeked of Trope Namer Syndrome to me. The trope namer is really obscure and not a household name, the title's usage outside of the TV Tropes sphere, while once reasonably common, seems to have dried up, and most annoyingly, the amount of times I've heard it called "Cerberus Syndrome" is too high to count.
Koichi really steals? No dignity.
the Retromancer
#34: Oct 25th 2021 at 8:03:46 AM
I'm more inclined to cut Knight of Cerebus entirely, since the only correct use of them is when they are introduced, as in event, which Cerebus Syndrome already covers. If kept my head just likes the sound of Harbinger Of Darker Story.
Cerebus Syndrome shouldn't be cut, but it may need a better name. On top of my head: Good Times Beginning, Comedy Decay, The Rule Of Dark Tonal Shift, Slowly Slipping Into Darker Story, When All Things Get Serious, Lighthearted Prologue, When The Tragedy Strikes, Sliding Into Drama or any mix of thereof.
Also I keep mistyping Cerebus as Cerberus all the time, so the name is just personally annoying.
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
MasterN
Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
from Florida- I mean Unova
Since: Aug, 2016
Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
#35: Oct 25th 2021 at 8:15:06 AM
Well, we need to put the “X is under discussion at the TRS” thing in the Cerebus Syndrome page. And possibly the other Cerebus pages if we are renaming those.
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
MissConduct
Chew.
from Duwang
(Rule of Seven)
Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
Chew.
#36: Oct 25th 2021 at 8:19:29 AM
My suggestions on names would be Cerebus Syndrome -> Darker Tone Shift, Reverse Cerebus Syndrome -> Lighter Tone Shift, Cerebus Rollercoaster -> Tone Rollercoaster, Cerebus Call-Back -> Darker Call Back, Cerebus Retcon -> Darker Retcon.
And of course, cut Knight of Cerebus and shift its examples to Vile Villain, Saccharine Show and other related tropes.
Koichi really steals? No dignity.
Spidey
Obsessively adds images to character pages.
from Santa Destroy
Since: Sep, 2020
Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Obsessively adds images to character pages.
#37: Oct 25th 2021 at 8:33:03 AM
I feel like you people forget that tropes can be downplayed.
"Unite GUN/BAZOOKA/LAUNCHER/TANK!"
Libraryseraph
Showtime!
from Canada
(Five Year Plan)
Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
Showtime!
#38: Oct 25th 2021 at 8:55:46 AM
What does that have to do with anything?
MasterN
Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
from Florida- I mean Unova
Since: Aug, 2016
Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
#39: Oct 25th 2021 at 9:07:15 AM
Yeah, are you suggesting that the trope should be left the way it is and all that decay is just “downplaying” the trope?
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
Synchronicity
(4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#40: Oct 25th 2021 at 9:16:25 AM
I think the Downplayed Trope entry on PlayingWith.Knight Of Cerebus is messy. Downplayed Trope in general is subject to a lot of shoehorning, but doesn't mean "it fits half of the requirements", it means "it fits all the requirements but to a lesser degree".
MasterN
Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
from Florida- I mean Unova
Since: Aug, 2016
Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
#41: Oct 25th 2021 at 9:27:07 AM
Then maybe Downplayed Trope needs a TRS itself.
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
Synchronicity
(4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#42: Oct 25th 2021 at 9:27:46 AM
Let's stay on topic please; I was referring to Spidey's comment...
Edited by Synchronicity on Oct 25th 2021 at 11:28:03 AM
Spidey
Obsessively adds images to character pages.
from Santa Destroy
Since: Sep, 2020
Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
Obsessively adds images to character pages.
#43: Oct 25th 2021 at 10:22:30 AM
Thumped: This post has been thumped with the mod stick. This means knock it off.
"Unite GUN/BAZOOKA/LAUNCHER/TANK!"
Libraryseraph
Showtime!
from Canada
(Five Year Plan)
Relationship Status: Raising My Lily Rank With You
Showtime!
#44: Oct 25th 2021 at 10:31:03 AM
A) Sorry we don't take a six-month hiatus between every TRS thread for wildly misused tropes to fit your standards
C) Downplayed is probably the most overused, shoe-horny playing with category and while it's not worth a TRS at this point we need to stop acting like examples that don't really fit can have a Downplayed slapped on them and they're a-ok
Absolute destiny... apeachalypse?
#45: Oct 25th 2021 at 10:41:51 AM
things that don't work will be changed, and your sense of ownership won't stop it.
Synchronicity, there is a Playing With Cleanup Thread
that might help you get bad downplays taken care of.
WarJay77
Bonnie's Artistic Cousin
from The Void
(Troper Knight)
Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Bonnie's Artistic Cousin
#46: Oct 25th 2021 at 10:47:44 AM
Catch me making a "Downplayed Trope" cleanup later
Anyway, back on topic? I'm not sure what our current ideas are?
Current Project: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
MasterN
Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
from Florida- I mean Unova
Since: Aug, 2016
Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Berserk Button: misusing Berserk Button
#47: Oct 25th 2021 at 10:57:14 AM
As far as I can tell, the ideas are to rename most of the Cerebus tropes to something non-Trope Namer Syndrome-ish, and to either do the same to Knight of Cerebus or cut it entirely.
One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.
Cutegirl920fire
CG for short
from NYC apparently
(Rule of Three)
Relationship Status: Paris holds the key to my heart
CG for short
#48: Oct 25th 2021 at 11:00:21 AM
Alright, I'll help get it back on topic.
Since IIRC most of the correct use could fit on Vile Villain, Saccharine Show, you can cut/merge it and/or make a Tone Shift Villain trope.
While, the only reason I knew of Cerebus the Aardvark is because of these tropes, I'm fine with remaining them if it'll stop decay and prevent Trope Namer Syndrome.
Victor of HGS S320 | "There's rosemary, that's for remembrance. Pray you, love, remember."
#49: Oct 25th 2021 at 11:08:15 AM
I am not particularly convinced that the names are the problem here - not every misuse pattern is a sign of a name problem and I suspect that Tone Shift Villain will likewise draw "downplayed" misuse or even "lighter tone" misuse. Besides, all these tropes have respectable amounts of inbounds (over 20,000 and over 70,000, respectively).
Edited by SeptimusHeap on Oct 25th 2021 at 8:08:43 PM
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
WarJay77
Bonnie's Artistic Cousin
from The Void
(Troper Knight)
Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
Bonnie's Artistic Cousin
#50: Oct 25th 2021 at 11:10:58 AM
I don't think the names are the main problem but I do think the names could stand a rename anyway, because if you don't catch the Trope-Namer Syndrome the titles are absolutely meaningless. What is a "Cerebus" and what does it mean to have "Cerebus Syndrome"? You can't answer that based on the title.
The idea behind Tone Shift Villain isn't just to rename anyway, but also to broaden the trope, allowing for hopefully more examples. And there'd be no reason why that one would have to keep the "only permanent shifts" restriction anyway.
Edited by WarJay77 on Oct 25th 2021 at 2:11:11 PM
Current Project: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
Trope Repair Shop:
Knight of Cerebus rename 2
15th Jan '22 7:32:09 AM
Crown Description:
The previous rename attempt for Knight Of Cerebus failed. Should we try to continue with the rename, or should we retract the decision to rename? Vote up to retry the rename, and vote down to keep the name the same.
Total posts: 223
Thank you for opening this as I wanted to bring up the gross misuse (particularly it’s use as “scenes with this character are darker than normal”) but don’t feel confident in my ability to do a proper TRS opener. I agree to have it renamed to “Tone-Shifting Villain” or “Herald of Cerebus Syndrome” and sending some of the misuse to other tropes where they better fit. Also I added the banner to the trope page.
Edited by TheLivingDrawing on Oct 21st 2021 at 6:24:13 AM
Why waste time when you can see the last sunset last?