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- I almost feel sorry for the guy, he's kinda been losing his ability to be subtle over the years.
- But Hitler and Stalin lived at the same time...
- *Cough*Time Lord*Cough*
- But Hitler and Stalin lived at the same time...
- What if I write a fictional story in which a character writes about this world? Does it recur?
- In that case I think I just crossed the Moral Event Horizon.
- But... That would mean it wasn't fictional.
- He took Michael Jackson and Billy Mays, too.
- The Earliest Samurai were around 663 AD with the Taika Reform (although they were not called as such for many centuries). The earliest entry for Keanu is Immortal is Charlemagne who was born in 748. If we assume Jack was one of the earliest Samurai and he traveled the world following the end of the series, that potentially allows for him to be in Europe for the right time period.
- A calm attitude and kind demeanor is present in both.
- In his "fifties" Keanu has a masterful use of weapons during his training for John Wick: Chapter 2. Almost like the peaceful actor has some experience in battle. Use of firearms can be taught. Keeping cool in combat environment is all up to the combatant.
- He played a Samurai in 47 Ronin.
- In 2077, his class is Street Samurai.
- The rest... can be explained in an image◊.
- A corollary is that the Cybertron in our dimension is the one containing the multiversal hub of Axiom Nexus. They're too lazy to actually think up new propaganda, so they just hand the animators and artists the fruits of their research into other universal streams.
- It logically follows that Obama is a pretender (possibly a sleeper agent), who was designed to be as similar as possible to our local Optimus Prime. The fact that he hasn't solved all the world's problems (or even America's) within the first few months, and is taking a more realistic, human timescale, speaks volumes about both the complexity of our problems and the limitations of our local Autobots.
- Unless Obama is part of a complex conquering scheme on the part of both Autobots and Decepticons...
- It logically follows that Obama is a pretender (possibly a sleeper agent), who was designed to be as similar as possible to our local Optimus Prime. The fact that he hasn't solved all the world's problems (or even America's) within the first few months, and is taking a more realistic, human timescale, speaks volumes about both the complexity of our problems and the limitations of our local Autobots.
- Unless, given that Autobots and Decepticons haven't gone to war yet and are still cooperating in Axiom Nexus's (aka our) dimension, it means that they're working together to take over Earth; the subtle fighting may indicate a sort of good cop-bad cop approach.
- Or they've finally gone to war, and simply haven't told us about it yet, as the Autobots don't want to make themselves look bad and the Decepticons have no connections to Hasbro with which to make that fact public.
- USA is good, arabs are bad? Not again, please...
Better start moving to Madagascar, while you still can.
- Too late - we were hit by late 2009. Besides, we have our hands kinda full right now. Come back in a few years (or if you're the U.S. Army: why aren't you here yet?).
- Alternately, he'll take acting classes and star in an Aquaman movie.
- "starring Michael Phelps As Himself
- She even lives in Cardiff. Totally a timelord.
- What? What Time Lords live in Cardiff?
- Many of the events of Doctor Who are set in Cardiff, especially the ones set in the "present"
- No they're not. There's the occasional episode, but apart from ones set across time, or across Great Britain, the last episode to do this was 2005's "Boom Town". That's 7 years ago. And again, what Time Lords would live on Torchwood's territory?
- A sleeper one, maybe? Did anybody check if she owns a fob watch?
- Maybe she's Melody Pond?
- What? What Time Lords live in Cardiff?
And this troper can telekinetically lift things!
- So it's not the Vibe Scepter?
- Der Untergang pretty much shows that Hitler is as angsty as Shinji, with the Abusive Father and all.
- Considering End of Evangelion, there might be an alternate interpretation, with Hitler as Gendo, NERV as Germany, and SEELE as the Allied Powers which is under control by the Omniscient hook-nosed Cabal of Empire-controlling Vagueness.
- Then again, Hitler's wife is named EVA......
- Here's Nazi Asuka for more....
- And you know when that event will happen? Present Day, Present Time, Muwahahahahaha!!!!! Evidence: Anonymous.
- Not if Lain Iwakura agrees with it....
- Lain will agree, seeing how the internet got so fun these days, if she doesn't, it's time for Plan B.....
And so we live our lives, unaware of our origins and that the author of our story is still controlling the inhabitants of the story into doing whatever they want, even if it doesn't always make sense.
... I know that I'll be bossing my own characters around once I become an author. Hmm...
- ... Does this make Stephen King the worst person in the world?
- Does it mean that I'm Saya Kisaragi?!
- What series was I from? Could I be the missing Slider from Haruhi Suzumiya?!
- Does this mean I'm Nancy Drew?!
- No wonder there are no black characters... they all escaped!
- What of tropers who break their former fourth walls accurately?
- Yes. Very yes. How the hell else is there going to be a Genius having a chat with a Adeptus Mechanius in real life!?! Break that damn fourth wall down!
- Whoa, I am currently writing a proposal for an Evangelion / Gurren Lagann fanfic of the same name, with Shinji and Kamina as the main characters and Anti-Spiralesque creatures as the main villains!!!! Holy FFFFFF.....
- How could this not be true? People are dumb.
- Dude, now I've got LCL all over my keyboard. Congratulations.
- It makes perfect sense if you think about it. He runs a covert operation and very few have even caught a glimpse of him.
But then again, to an Exalt, "impossible" just means "nobody has done it yet".
It's not a simply drink, it's actually a conspiracy of Kraft and the governments of all the countries in the world to reduce the human population and not let the Earth get overpopulated.- The Black Moon, the Geo-Front and the NERV HQ are actually in the Vatican City.
- It could also be said that Earth itself is the Black Moon. Nerv's bases of operations are in the Mediterranean (for example, Central Dogma = Egyptian Pyramids, Gendo's office = Vatican City, Seele's headquarters = Israel) while the Evangelions are made and stored in New York City. The White Moon? The Moon. Or Mars.
- Hitler actually had the Lance of Longinus, but the one we saw is a fake one and the World War II was just a distraction to cover Seele's conspiracy, their experiments with the true Lance and the investigation of the Death Sea Scrolls.
- Seele is known to us as "Freemasonry" and "The Illuminati".
- The Second Impact dindn't happen in 2000 because it's going to happen in the 21st of December of 2012.
- There ARE therapists.
- Freudian psychology won't be used as the Applied Phlebotinum.
- Instrumentality is referred to by Transhumanists as "The Singularity".
- Perhaps, just perhaps, Gendo Ikari is Hideaki Anno
- And now, GLaDOS, TARDIS, and Guilty Spark are vying to incite a pastrylogical singularity that would turn all creation to cake via Haruhi Suzumiya. Her own page is simply a method for her to influence the tropers that dare edit it. Cthulhu caters the luncheons.
- It would also explain why GLaDOS is so completely insane; she's the embodiement of the near-schizophrenically self-contradictory Evil Overlord List!
Proof: 1. They are all run by religious psychopaths. 2. They all appear to have presence everywhere in where their religion has followers. 3. They all use morally ambigious means to reach their goal.
And the real reason why Bin Ladens body has not been shown is because he is Ninja, zombie, robot or efreeti or something.
- You just proved the above WMG. Not to mention, wouldn't we all remember Second Impact?
She's supposed to exist in all possible realities, so why not this one?
- Its been shown that black holes warp space and time in really weird ways. What if, at the event horizon, time freezes, leaving you trapped. Forever.
- Your brain would stop functioning long before it reached the event horizon. Anyone who got close enough to experience major time dilation, nevermind touching the event horizon, would be dead. It can't be a fate worse than death if it's just death.
- This is Troperism, the One and Only True Religion.
- AWESOME!
- The world is The Matrix within The Matrix?
- Alternatively, what comes after death will by very unfun. - There are two scenarios, either I am in an illusion willingly, or I am in one unwillingly. If it is willing, then I must think experiencing the illusion is a better use of my time than experiencing the real world, thus the real world is more boring than this. If it is unwilling, then there is some malevolent (or at least, uncaring) entity in control of my reality, and if I wake up they will likely just force me back asleep into another, possibly worse, world.
- Sounds like the Freudian theory on the Id, however, those memories on the id are instead condensed sexual and aggressive instincts instead of outrageous reincarnation claims.
- Look up Jung's ideas about the collective unconscious.
- of course, the further in the past an historical figure is the more descendants it would have, so there could be thousands of people who has Cleopatra genetic memories
- It was already explored in The Science of Discworld.
But other than this it's much like what we know of. People can suffer incredible pains at the hands of others. They try to go about their normal lives, doing whatever immortal people do. It's not the afterlife, because they are the ones best described as "alive".
Here's where the prison comes in. People are resistant to change, because change is hard. And when you can't die and life itself is unchanging, then why change?
Unfortunately, for the sake of the safety, sanity and security of the public, some people need to change. Not because they have to adapt to their environment, but because nobody else can stand the horrible actions they commit.
Normal crimes don't mean much there. There's little reason to steal, no ability to kill and nothing that can be destroyed. But things like torture or sexual assault are, sadly, possible and considered the least noticeable signs of true evil. So what are the most noticeable?
Don't get it wrong, appearances themselves are not directly judged, and bigotry is right up there with torture. But the desires and/or attitude control the shape of a person, and they can look like anything. And when someone desires to hurt, or has an attitude that is cruel, their body itself becomes a painful weapon in any shape from claws to blades to fire to guns to barbed wire. Possibly all of the above. If someone there looks like they could kill you painfully, you can bet they can and will carry out the pain part. And just like our world, there are some people there who are really nasty pieces of work.
Who exactly? Namely, us. The prison of reality was created to rehabilitate immortal souls who were just too terrible to let run loose. And a prison containing an average of 85 years sentence - the last few years made especially bad - with no parole in a world far from perfect (or even a 35 year sentence in a "developing" country) has to be bad for a being from a near-perfect world.
But it also takes lots of resources. Suicide would have to be tracked to prevent escapes. Death would have to appear random while giving every prisoner the correct sentence. And since some people die as bad people, we can assume that they'll commit another crime and be back soon and/or that the authorities foresaw it when the sentence was first decided and assigned them multiple life sentences. And that's not even counting the obviously required constant suppression of everyone's memories about life outside the "prison".
Heck, the courts of the "superworld" may work enough like ours that the life sentences are assigned the same way, but with more of a point because the prisoners will actually live long enough to serve the sentences. And if our courts are similar, then you can bet theirs will be extremely inefficient.
So why go through with this huge project after over 10,000 years, continuing to pour resources into it? Because there are amazing success stories. You can bet that, in the event this WMG is true, supporters there would point to people like Ghandi or Jesus and say that these used to be some of the worst people you could ever meet. Opponents would be hard-pressed to complain about a prison that successfully makes more than 50% of its inmates into better people.
To sum it all up, "afterlife or no afterlife" are not the only possibilities for the nature of life and death, and the nature of the world beyond this one might be very grey indeed. It's a weird and complex theory, but I figured it's no less normal than the other real life WMGs and I have no plans to write a novel with this backstory anytime soon.
Now, consider the big bang. This theory says that the universe was once condensed into a tiny, very hot, very dense piece of matter. In fact, it stipulates that everything was the same atom. Then, this atom exploded. All its bits and pieces were thrown across the universe and became the stuff we have today.
So, everything was once the same atom. And when you take parts of an atom, separate them, and change one or the other, the other changes. This results in connections between trillions- more- of tiny particles that can literally connect. Sound familiar? This is how your brain works. A message is sent through multiple cells, in this case particles, to form a thought.
So the universe is a brain. The brain of a giant, invisible being that is everywhere at the same time. We are parts of it, too. When we die, our body and mind disintegrate, but we will be reincorporated into this being- that is the afterlife. But this thing can't do anything but watch what happens in its own brain. So, God is uncaring and not influential, but it exists. This leaves justice up to our society. Obviously, in this theory, Jeffrey Dahmer and Jesus meet the same fate, which is a problem. So it is up to us as a thinking society to serve out justice.
- Obviously, God is Haruhi Suzumiya.
- No, quantum entanglement doesn't always happen when two particles are formed. They don't affect each other in any other way than those quantum numbers where they are entangled. Moving one will not move the other, unless their positions themselves are entangled. Subatomic particles don't have to form from atoms - they form from subatomic particles or from energy itself, and only if the subatomic particles of origin were in an atom did subatomic particles come from one atom. Tbe big bang theory does not stipulate that everything was one atom once. An atom is a number of protons, possibly with neutrons and electrons, and the early universe was simply extremely dense energy. Furthermore, it was not the energy that exploded, it was the dimensions of space itself that expanded, carrying all energy with it. The brain does not work by quantum entangled pairs, it works by electrostatic charges maintained by multiple types of ion gates in the cellular membranes of neurons, some of which can open to rapidly reverse the polarity, where this reverse in polarity is a trigger to cause more ion gates to open, causing a wave of polarity reversal until it reaches the end of synapses, where the reverse in polarity triggers vesicles (soap bubbles, but made from cellular membrane stuff) containing neural enzymes to be released which can either inhibit or cause the reversion of the polarity of the next cell, something which happens in parallel at several billion positions in the brain across quadrillions of neural links. The elementary particles in the universe are not linked, since that would require that all of them would have to be in a quantum superimposed state. However, any macroscopic phenomenon (around a billion atoms or more - it's a sliding scale) dependent on the quantum superimposed state will count as an "observation" of the quantum state it is dependent on, meaning that all those quantum entanglements would untangle the moment they are observed (which is why Schrodinger's cat experiment doesn't work in reality - the cat is a quantum observer). It is not possible for any existing object to be both entangled and as compliant to classical physics as we see it to be. Furthermore, even if somehow the universe was a brain, it's thoughts would travel merely at the speed of light, taking millions of years to cross "synapses" of galaxies, while humans are short-lived electrical charge based circuits whose identity is stored in the physical location of the quadrillions of synapses in the body, information which is not transmitted into the universe upon death, but merely lost to entropic decay as the polarization dies out and the chemicals rot. So I'm sorry, but every single thing you said about things that can be tested in reality is wrong.
- Besides, even if the existance of God is proven, by this argument: "...for proof denies faith, and without faith [God] is nothing.", God does not exist. Q.E.D.
- OP: Oh. Well...shit.
- And this filter is no other than what we call The Brain. The Brain does looks like a filter....
- The filter is called the AT Field. It's even referenced in the canon: the AT Field is the absolute territory of a psychic presence where the individual ego is separated from the outside world. AT Fields protect and defend our conscious mind from the utter chaos of both the outside world and our own unconscious mind, at the cost of well, a mundane reality and other people being hell.
- This Troper is just here to say that the Discordians actually believe this is the case.
- NO WAY I'M UWE BOLL!
- This is identical to my time-traveling shapeshifter theory not too far up this page... I guess great minds think alike. Makes sense, since they're the same one.
- This troper once read a speculative fiction story that had that idea as its premise. It was more then a little mind screwy.
- You wouldn't mean this story, would you?
- Well, the obvious thing is, that soul has a penis.
- No, the obvious thing is that the soul does not have a penis.
- And the Soul is actually trapped in an Evangelion which is also a TARDIS in Purgatory.
- So does that mean whenever you have sex...
Whatever happens when one is knocked into the surrounded water (RING OUT!) we may never know.
- Oh. Hell. Yes.
- And your imagination is the figment of your penis' imagination.
- I'm a Mook?
- actually you're a Bit Character and you were only promoted from extra because you are a Troper.
- So does that mean being a troper automatically upgrades me from red to Mauve Shirt?
- I'm a Mook?
- They are a bunch of spacefaring reality-warping Communists who look like Anime characters. Simple: Communism-Perfect Society, Anime-Perfect human.
- Holy Shit, we're Tau!
- They are Eldritch Abominations. Nobody knows what these forms look like, so it doesn't matter how they look like.
- Are you people silly? Based on the earlier Wild Mass Guesses, there is only one conclusion: The Forms is in fact our WORKS OF FICTION!
- Which is more plausible, since fiction is usually mankind's portrayal of perfection.
- If some of this troper's dreams are anything to go by, there's some very, very strange alternate dimensions out there.
- If that's true, then apparently the real world is full of enormous trumpets and flying jesters in the middle of nowhere.
- This makes sense when you think of how (what we perceive to be) our "waking" life has a lot of extraneous details, pointless events and even whole storylines and character arcs that don't appear to advance the plot, overall very chaotic compared to the works of fiction we create. And our "dreams" are even more disjointed and random (compared to our fictional worlds) than our so-called waking life. So it would appear that chaos and lack of conservation of detail (not to mention every other fiction trope that rarely or never occurs in Real Life) are the signs that let us know Reality has ensued, therefore logically our "dreams" are more real than what happens when we think we are awake.
- Jossed.
- Unjossed.
- The same applies to front doors, no matter how promptly you feel you have opened the door, from the bell ringer's perspective they will have had to wait for a very long time.
- Also, the Universe beats Man through sheer power (Rock), God beats Universe through philosophy (Paper), Man beats God through cold logic and free will (Scissors).
- Ow my head. Goddamn Cosmic Retcons.
- God creates dinosaurs, God destroys dinosaurs, God creates man, man destroys God, man creates dinosaurs. Sorry, Ian Malcolm, that's not how it works! Man beats God through anti-God logic and atheists. God beats dinosaurs because he's God, that's why, and he can do whatever he wants. Dinosaurs beat man because they just eat man.
- And woman inherits the Earth.
Slightly disturbing, in ways, but also comforting in the idea that our published fictional works may, one day, become realistic. Then again, depending on which ones are paid attention to, the comfort of that idea might just be thrown out the window.
I believe there have been several instances of this.- And it took us how long to figure this awt???
- Evolutionary Creationism?
- This makes PERFECT SENSE!!!!!!!!!
- Earth is 6000 years old. The Universe is infinite. Life was created by the Triple Goddess, then left to evolve according to Lamarck's theory. God is the product of a magical experiment Went Horribly Wrong.
Real Life was the result of a thousand years of Fan Wank from the Mary Sues we call Humanity. Before that, God originally intended Real Life to be a collaborative, Speculative Fiction Doorstopper (that explains the diversity of life). God said, "It is good", and he was right, the fiction was a huge success. Humanity itself shares an existence similar to God, but are the readers instead of the writers. Soon, the fiction was made into an RPG that resembles or was even better than the Sims. However, the success will turn out to have Gone Horribly Right, when Humanity starts inserting Mary Sues into the fiction and created some horrible fanfiction in it, thus creating the terrible crud that is Real Life. The Bible is the manual. Philosophy and science are either the Fan Wank or the other original manuals. Extremists are the Fan Dumb. Finally, Humans are the godawful Mary Sues. To summarize all of it, through the death of the author, God is Dead, and we have killed him. After all, if the Death of the Author isn't present in real life, why do we have free will and the ability to interpret the universe to our own visions and Fan Wank?
- So, Toothbrushing = A God Am I?
- This world is Naruto? Nooooooooooooooo!!!!!
- "I only know I know nothing" -Socrates
Once you get past the cellular level, life doesn't exist. All living organisms as we know them are thus fundamentally flawed because they're built out of matter that isn't truly alive, and are destined return to the state of non-life at some point and stay that way for eternity.
And as time is never ending, this finite thing we call "life" doesn't really exist; ∞ - 1 = ∞, and the infinity of non-life - the inevitable expiration date of organisms = Still an infinity of non-life.
- What you're saying is exactly the same like saying 1 = 0 because 1 + infinity = infinity = 0 + infinity. That isn't true, because "=" is not properly defined for infinity. You can't add infinity to both sides of an equality and expect the equality to hold true, unlike any finite number note . True life exists if you properly define it.
- Does sound strange if you consider speech bubbles in comic are black on white. Anyone who doesn't see that text clearly can confirm this WMG.
- Perhaps black and white are the only constants, one being the absence of color and the other being all of them at once. alternately, opposite colors stand out pretty well on each other. Just like black an white are opposites, orange stands out on blue pretty well too. Opposite colors would theoretically, remain constant.
- What's more, every person's "Favourite Colour" is the same... to them, that is. So if your favourite colour is blue and mine is pink, you'll see blue the way that I see pink, physically.
As Steve Grand put it; "Within every myth and every legend, there lies a truth. Somewhere out there, not in our universe, but in a universe of Otherworlds, live all the monsters and mythical beasts that ever entered human imagination. The nature of these creatures and of the lands they occupy is perhaps not quite as men have imagined it, but they exist, nonetheless." (though he likely wasn't taking these words seriously at the time)
Recommended course of action if you see the loop: make a habit of humming songs you remember as existing in the previous loop several years before their release. Those who remember previous loops will notice this, while those who don't will just assume that it's some song they don't know. This way, you can get the attention of other rememberers without seeming crazy.
On a semi-related note, does anybody know a song that sounds like "Break Your Heart" by Taio Cruz or "Pumped Up Kicks" by Foster The People? Both of these songs were immediately recognized by the author of this WMG the first time he heard them, and he quickly determined that they were too new for him to have heard before. He considers this to be potential evidence for his theory.
- This actually has some science behind it, it's entirely possible if the Poincaré Recurrence Theorem applies to the universe.
Related "Impossible" Crossovers:
- So, Where's my princess in another castle anyway?
- The
CakePrincess is a lie. Probably one of the side effects of the hallucination.- The Princess is in another castle which is the only real castle. In fact, you are hallucinating the multiple castles (castles in fiction, European castles, sand castles, castling in chess, and so on.....).
- The
- Fiction, philosophy and drugs are the catalyst for the individual. The catalyst for the masses, however... let's just call it Instrumentality.
- That explains Neon Genesis Evangelion, with it's mindscrewery. Anno realized the world is made of drugs and decided to make a drug trip disguised as reality which in turn was disguised as anime. Instrumentality is the actual reality, being a psychedelic nature, and the "real world" is in fact our body's unconscious modification in an attempt to make sense of it.
- Oh yeah, and Tang itself (yes, the drink, not the Memetic Mutation) is also made of drugs.
- That explains Neon Genesis Evangelion, with it's mindscrewery. Anno realized the world is made of drugs and decided to make a drug trip disguised as reality which in turn was disguised as anime. Instrumentality is the actual reality, being a psychedelic nature, and the "real world" is in fact our body's unconscious modification in an attempt to make sense of it.
The hypothesis is simple: all of us have lived innumerable past lives in alternate universes. However, only a scant few of these can be remembered, and these only subconciously. And how do we manifest these memories? In the creation of fiction. Every time any one of us - regardless of our degree of skill - thinks up, writes, or otherwise creates fictional places, people and events, we are in fact subconciously recalling the people, places and events of our past lives. Every fictional story we have made up, from our private five-hundred-page magnum opus to our idle daydreams, is in fact a reflection of the people, the places and the events we knew from past lives. If our stories are set in the 'real world', we are simply recalling lives in universes parallel to this one. And if our stories are incoherent or filled with plot holes, if our characters are underdeveloped or unrealistic, it is because our recollections of these lives are incomplete or distorted. Since everything about us can change with each different incarnation - including our personalities - exactly who we are in our stories/recollections can vary widely - we may be the protagonist, the villain, the annoying sidekick, or simply and unseen observer.
This applies to every bit of fiction, mind you. Including the more widely-known ones. JK Rowling was once a student of a school of magic in a parallel universe equivalent of Britain. H. P. Lovecraft once inhabited a world plagued by unspeakable horrors. George Lucas once resided in an world of intergalactic knights and silly characters. Jeff Lindsay once worked alongside (or perhaps was) a sociopathic vigilante. And so the list goes on.
There you have it. Make of that what you will.
- So, Frank Miller spent his entire soul-history being a badass?
- And Ed Boon was Scorpion, AND Sub-Zero, AND Liu Kang, AND Sonya Blade?
- Poor Alyx. So, who was Mark?
- I wonder how the humen race is doing.
- I don't want to set the world on fire...
- Were it so easy...
- So where do heavily collaborative works, fan-driven webcomics, etc. fit in?
- Simple: when a person creates a fan work, it is because they are recalling a life in a parallel universe to the one of the original work. In fact, if the events of the fan work are compatible with the original work's cannon, it may be the same universe. Similiarly, collaborative works are the recollections of people who have shared past lives in the same universe. This, of course, is rare, which is why collaborative works are less common...but it happens.
- M - M - My Immortal? Oh God!
- Simple: when a person creates a fan work, it is because they are recalling a life in a parallel universe to the one of the original work. In fact, if the events of the fan work are compatible with the original work's cannon, it may be the same universe. Similiarly, collaborative works are the recollections of people who have shared past lives in the same universe. This, of course, is rare, which is why collaborative works are less common...but it happens.
- While the above is a rather disturbing thought, this troper can't help but find this idea strangely plausible, mainly because they know someone who they suspect may be the reincarnation of Ulquiorra, if the frequency with which they use the word 'trash' (and synonyms thereof) among other Ulquiorra-esque personality traits are anything to go on.
- So, if I write a story that envolves total and ultimate destruction of all reality, including other universes and dimensions, what does it mean?
- It means the eventual end of the universes and dimensions.
- Countertheory that someone wrote a story of infinity. There is an infinite amount of other reality laying around and you can't get rid of it as it will have always existed and therefore come back. Even wiping it from existence will still make it come back. There is always a spark.
- It means the eventual end of the universes and dimensions.
- Wait, so... Does this mean Jason De Marco was once a space-traversing spaceman peering into other dimensions?
We live in an age post-Götterdämmerung, where the magic of the universe went away. because the Excrucians dismembered it. That's why the real world sucks now - to put it simply, it's incomplete. It's like an old-fashioned computer without sound, with only black and white graphics, no internet connection, a 10x10 screen resolution, only floppy drives and binary input keyboard. Still a computer but it sucks in comparison to what it could be.
Here's a partial list of the Estates that were destroyed (or just weakened):
- Charles Atlas Superpowers and Rule of Cool in general are severely weakened, obviously. Isn't it obvious, that this real world is becoming gray, dull and boring, and the more you try to become epic the more you are likely to fail?
Anyway, why did we become one of the best, strongest, most powerful species who get to rule the world amidst the diseases, pain, war, Hell, crappy immune systems and conflict/problems in general? If you were an ancient times person, these problems existed because you just Took a Level in Badass and Evolutionary Levels. That which does not kill you only makes you stronger. With your increasing strength you become the fittest to survive. You didn't get hungry because you needed to eat, but because it was possible to learn not to eat. Your metabolism just became more efficient from it. Suffer enough diseases and you developed a Healing Factor. Get beaten enough times and you'd get Nigh-Invulnerability. Mental stress just made you smarter, emotional stress just made you wiser, and the stress caused by arguing just made you hammier, hence the abundance of The Philosophers before. Mental illnesses were there so that once you got through them, you could shrug off madness-inducing effects of Eldritch Abominations and punch them in the face.
The very existence of these tropes were actually a good thing, since the past was a fucking Crapsack World of badass where there is only war, and if it wasn't for humanity's awesomeness, natural selection would have kicked our puny asses into extinction long ago. (Yes, I'm actually saying that the world back then was also a Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann/Warhammer 40,000 crossover.) They were also the most prioritized Estates the Excrucians needed to destroy, as they needed for them to be gone before we do harness their full potential, pronto. If people just got more badass from their attacks then sooner or later we'd all be able to go Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann and punch them out of the very fabric of spacetime. And that is the legend of why modern man is one of the sickliest and most miserable species on the planet today. Sure, some people like Kung Fu masters, athletes, geniuses and similar prodigies might inherit, develop and retain the Charles Atlas Superpower today(though they're still laughably weak in comparison to before), but back in the old days everybody had the potential for Charles Atlas Superpowers and could go WAAAAAGH against the variety of eldritch horrors that infested the Fantasy Kitchen Sink that is the ancient world to kill them with Fire.- That explains the very existence of the Spartans......
- In a more imaginative WMG: Warhammer 40,000 is the actual European Grimdark Ages (in other words, the galaxy is once a hell which would make anyone shit in terror, and it has a hell. Soldiers were put into The Spartan Way where one of every hundred aspirants survive, oh and Jesus is the God-Emperor who can totally kill you with fire and everybody is a Knight Templar. With chainswords.), but the Excrucians reduced the concept of cool from reality to fiction and since then, the dark ages were all peasants and fairytales and friendly hippie Jesus and like that.
- Actually, this makes perfect sense and is, in fact, kind of acknowledged in the Nobilis canon. In the Nobilis canon there are five hundred "missing" years. So we did, indeed, "go backwards" as far as technology and civilization went. As far as I remember, human civilization was somewhere in the area of 2200 and then we got regressed backwards 500 years. But, if you assume that the missing years are actually somewhere in the middle ages (canonically, they're not, but what the hell, it's a cool theory) then it certainly makes sense that we'd go all Warhammer 40,000, get regressed backwards in time and once all the cool Domains were gone, we'd progress along a far different and far less cool technological path.
- Gods, Eldritch Abominations, Mythological creatures, and the like are gone too. They don't exist anymore, and if they do our link to them is extremely weakened. Sure, Sure, with Gods and Eldritch Abominations life is hell which has a Hell called Hell, and the destruction of Gods and Eldritch Abominations might have prevented us from various fates worse than death (Hell, Mind Rape, annoying Tsunderes, etc.), and might have actually be a good thing, but isn't going to Deus ex machina your way with Fire against The Legions of Hell, the Zerg Rush Of Alien Locusts and Ninja Pirate Zombie Robots, the army of Great Old Ones who come to this planet to try to rape and/or eat us, and sometimes the Orwellian bureaucracy of Heaven, part of what made the ancient world so epic? Also, All Myths Are True.
As said with the Charles Atlas Superpower entry above, they existed because you just Took a Level in Badass. If these gods did not kill you, they only made you stronger. Suffer enough Hells and you will not suffer eternal punishment and despair, but will grow into a God-Mode Sue who can grow to be more powerful than Zeus, Thor, and Cthulhu combined and punch them in the face anytime you like. Just like Kratos. In shorter terms, the existence of Gods actually assisted in the development of our Charles Atlas Superpowers, whether through conjuring their powers or outright fighting them! Now the Excurcians cut off our connection to them, and they got lazy, which stroked a massive hole on our Charles Atlas Superpower abilities, and to add insult to injury, instead of becoming Kratos ourselves to these Excrucians, we get the most disgusting parasite of all time: Moral Guardians!!!!!! - It is worth restating that Charles Atlas Superpowers and Rule of Cool were some of the most foundational principles of existence. A lot of the Estates destroyed were just gravy, awesome ways to accomplish the same goals but they were not universe defining. These two, on the other hand, neatly and efficiently solve the age old philosophical problem of evil. Why does evil, suffering, hatred, Hell and Black-and-Gray Morality exist? So you can be motivated enough to take a level in badass and allow evolution to work its magic along the way. Besides, without evil there'd plainly be no asses to kick and no way to show off just how awesome you are. They also answer all of the 'meaning of life' type of questions. What's the meaning of life? Become badass and be universe-shatteringly awesome, duh.
- Functional Magic is another one. One of the most harshly Excruciated Domains in the world, only myths, religion and shadows of the true mages remain today. This also explains why the ancient world is so filled with occult symbolism. What could not be accomplished by mere Charles Atlas Superpowers can be accomplished by magic.
- One form of Functional Magic, Alchemy, was reduced to the hard science we know today. Sure, it was the predecessor of modern Equivalent Exchange-based science, but during ancient times it was much, much more than that. A major superscience that rivaled nuclear weapons in its time, Alchemy combined elements from the modern sciences we know today like chemistry and physics with the old yet extremely potent elements from the mythical like Gods' powers, Charles Atlas Superpowers and Magitek. Races and civilizations depended from the discoveries and sufficiently advanced technologies of the alchemists. The best part? It's inexpensive, requiring mostly a large intellect instead of royal inheritance for a one-way ticket to wealth or adventure (which puts nerds, genuises and sometimes Squishy Wizards on the same social class with emperors, aristocrats, princesses and the most powerful political and military leaders. Yes, I'm saying that the world back then was also a Fullmetal Alchemist/Girl Genius crossover with the Cold War thrown in). Want to make your own elements and/or perform Hadron Collider-level atomic transmutations in a level that those scientists at CERN can only dream of in the comfort of your own home? Just get some sufficiently advanced knowledge, draw some transmutation circles, and you've done it. Be careful though with the dark art that is human transmutation.
Nowadays, to perform nuclear transmutation you have to use not just sufficiently advanced math (which we all hate), but also radioactive substances, nuclear reactors and particle accelerators, which are hard to acquire, expensive and dangerous. And the amount produced by these machines are insignificant. The closest thing we can get to alchemy at home is conversion of energy from one level into another, like what we see everyday in electricity (yet most of the energy expended in conversion is lost as heat, while superconducting Applied Phlebotinum operates only on subzero temperatures), conversion of mass and matter from one element into another being outright impossible except during conditions inside a star, unless you are a wealthy scientist with access to particle accelerators.
Additionally, hypothetical alchemical substances, like Philosopher's Stones and Applied Phlebotinum, actually existed, and when these substances are used, elemental conversions and transmutations can be performed with more power and flexibility and less Math and waste substances. Applied Phlebotinum was quite possibly the most powerful substance invented by Alchemy. Far more potent and flexible than even the Philosopher's Stone, it was half-magic and half-science and upon its wondrous properties rested the foundations of virtually all technology. Science, then, was made much simpler. You wanted to travel faster than light? Plug in some Phlebotinum and more power - and you did it. Nano Machines? Perfectly safe, operated on the same principles. Robots? Antigravity? Spaceships and UFO s (like the one that took Elijah)? Flying cities? Humongous Mecha? Powered Armor? Unbelievably powerful weaponry? All possible with the power of SCIENCE!!! We were, basically, Sufficiently Advanced Aliens. Ancient superpowers, like Atlantis (which was actually a Space-Filling Empire and not some dinky citystate in Greece) actually fought for more of these substances, and this is how the story on why it fell - once Functional Magic was cut off, the Applied Phlebotinum decayed, plunging Atlantis into poverty and causing all of the science of the age to fall apart and regressing us back to the dark ages.
- One form of Functional Magic, Alchemy, was reduced to the hard science we know today. Sure, it was the predecessor of modern Equivalent Exchange-based science, but during ancient times it was much, much more than that. A major superscience that rivaled nuclear weapons in its time, Alchemy combined elements from the modern sciences we know today like chemistry and physics with the old yet extremely potent elements from the mythical like Gods' powers, Charles Atlas Superpowers and Magitek. Races and civilizations depended from the discoveries and sufficiently advanced technologies of the alchemists. The best part? It's inexpensive, requiring mostly a large intellect instead of royal inheritance for a one-way ticket to wealth or adventure (which puts nerds, genuises and sometimes Squishy Wizards on the same social class with emperors, aristocrats, princesses and the most powerful political and military leaders. Yes, I'm saying that the world back then was also a Fullmetal Alchemist/Girl Genius crossover with the Cold War thrown in). Want to make your own elements and/or perform Hadron Collider-level atomic transmutations in a level that those scientists at CERN can only dream of in the comfort of your own home? Just get some sufficiently advanced knowledge, draw some transmutation circles, and you've done it. Be careful though with the dark art that is human transmutation.
- Utopia is long gone. That's why you'll always find the complaints that any and all forms of government suck. They do suck because every single form of government is an imperfect attempt to replicate the success of Utopia.
- Superpowers are gone. Nowadays if you want to develop a superpower, the best you can hope for is echolocation, sharp observation skills, magnificent planning skills, genius-level intellect, Science-Related Memetic Disorder or great memory. Before, when you wanted a superpower that could not be shut down or wanted them from a different source than Charles Atlas Superpowers / Rule of Cool / Functional Magic / Applied Phlebotinum, you turned to Stock Superpowers and became a Flying Brick, telepath, psychic or what-have-you.
- Made of Indestructium went poof. "Adamant" was the name of the material and it worked just like Vibranium in comics. Once forged, Adamant was totally and completely indestructible. It made for awesome armour for reality defenders and therefore, the entire concept had to be deleted.
- The last of the remaining "Adamant" that wasn't poofed away is owned by Nintendo, and is the material from which they craft some of their systems (particularly the handhelds and Gamecubes). The weakness of DS hinges indicates that they're starting to run out of even the small quantity they do have.
- Love at First Sight isn't exactly gone but it's not really all that strong either. It suffered a terrible blow and what used to be a concept known and enjoyed by everybody is currently almost an urban legend. It used to be that when you looked into someone's eyes you'd instantly know just how compatible you were with that person. You would instantly know if someone would be a true love, a cherished friend, an awesome employee(or a boss) or a great one-night-stand. Unfortunately, with Love at First Sight severely weakened, social bonding of any kind is now infinitely harder (nowadays, Hell Is Other People).
- The Power of Love in general, also not exactly gone but is not really that powerful either. Before, love didn't just allow you to be passionate or propagate your genes and legacy on various habitats and power Evolution. Once upon a time, not only it is a lot easier to find your soulmate on which you can harness Love's fullest potential whether through Fate or just plain Love at First Sight. Love was to humanity what gravity is to black holes: when there is not enough mass at the start, it's pathetically weak, but too much of it can divide by zero, with the laws of physics, the fabric of spacetime, and Reality itself bending and warping in either mundane or completely absurd ways, far beyond than that of Charles Atlas Superpowers, Functional Magic or even the combined abilities of all the most powerful Eldritch Abominations. (for example, stories like Pygmalion and Galatea, which wasn't just a tale of Cargo Shipping, but actually happened before in many cases around the world, but that tale is just a subatomic particle compared to what Love can really do) After all, what can explain one of the most mysterious, completely absurd and fundamental of human emotions, than an equally mysterious, completely absurd and fundamental scientific concept? This also explains why Freud was right: The Libidinal attraction is E=MC2.
Whether it's a villain or a law of physics, nothing can stand against The Power of Love.
However, because our connection to the reservoir of The Power of Love was weakened by the Excrucians, modern-day man dismissed it as the product of raging overreacting hormones and watching too much Disney Soap Operas, and The Power of Hate becomes the more dominant and realistic emotion for dealing with huge problems. The Power of Love really kicked the bucket when Room 101 proves that it is no longer invincible and is as manipulable as a mere tool.
- The Power of Love in general, also not exactly gone but is not really that powerful either. Before, love didn't just allow you to be passionate or propagate your genes and legacy on various habitats and power Evolution. Once upon a time, not only it is a lot easier to find your soulmate on which you can harness Love's fullest potential whether through Fate or just plain Love at First Sight. Love was to humanity what gravity is to black holes: when there is not enough mass at the start, it's pathetically weak, but too much of it can divide by zero, with the laws of physics, the fabric of spacetime, and Reality itself bending and warping in either mundane or completely absurd ways, far beyond than that of Charles Atlas Superpowers, Functional Magic or even the combined abilities of all the most powerful Eldritch Abominations. (for example, stories like Pygmalion and Galatea, which wasn't just a tale of Cargo Shipping, but actually happened before in many cases around the world, but that tale is just a subatomic particle compared to what Love can really do) After all, what can explain one of the most mysterious, completely absurd and fundamental of human emotions, than an equally mysterious, completely absurd and fundamental scientific concept? This also explains why Freud was right: The Libidinal attraction is E=MC2.
- Reincarnation. Whether Reincarnation is gone or not is a discussion for another page. What is certain, however, is that it used to be a far stronger phenomenon - upon your death, you could decide whether to reincarnate - if you choose to do it you'd keep all of your memories and personality. Death was not a thing to be feared. If Reincarnation exists now at all, it certainly isn't as strong as it used to be.
- Instant A.I.: Just Add Water!. Back in the Glory Days, consciousness of various forms, types and a full spectrum of sentience was extremely common. This is why you'll see plenty of stories in which toys, objects or animals are human-level intelligent and a lot of stories about AI being easily invented. Although the concept of matter easily achieving awareness was destroyed, somewhere deep in our subconscious, far beyond the memories that disappeared along with the concept itself - we still know that matter should be more sentient than it is.
It used to be that we had robot buddies, that when we played with toys, they would cooperate with us. Our houses would adjust temperature or lighting or anything we pleased to our needs. We had forests that would tell lumberjacks which trees they should cut, cows that wanted to be eaten, oceans which would cleanse and expel pollution all by themselves, air that adjusted the levels of various gases to optimum, our cars could guide themselves and our spaceships(see Applied Phlebotinum above) would do the same.
On the other hand, we also had plenty of evil robots, evil locations and so on. These were also awesome, as they allowed for us to become more badass.
That's obviously not all. There are certainly other examples waiting to be added...
- Probably the one who allied themselves with Excrucians and sent them to our planet were the Anti-Spirals and Ingsoc. After all, what better way to impose Despair Event Horizon and force all of us to be Driven to Suicide than to strip Real Life of its awesomeness?
- Considering the reality-shaking power of Excrucians I think it's far more likely that they are allies rather than servants. But yes, if this is their goal (driving us all to Despair Event Horizon) then it certainly makes sense. The most effective tool of the Excrucians is not mindless destruction, but absolute despair, the death of hope, dreams etc. If you kill the world, it can be rebuilt. If you kill the world's soul it's lost forever.
- No it's not primarily Excrucians it's also Kefka's fault. Utterly nihilistic and despairing? Check. Consumed the sources of magic? Check. Caused all magic to disappear because he was defeated? DOUBLE CHECK.
- Of course, with all the awesomeness above, what you might be asking yourself is: "So how the hell did Excrucians even touch us?". The answer to that question is three-fold.
One, Excrucians themselves are nigh-omnipotent, capable of reality-altering feats on unimaginable scale.
Two, due to all the aforementioned Estates, war was glorious and we were engaged in it all the time. The epic wars between dozens of different religions, massive sci-fi civilizations, various gods and contenders to that title were constant and never stopped. We simply did not present a unified front against the Excrucians, who quietly and stealthily slipped into our reality and dismantled our defenses before we could react - and by the time we realized we had to stand united, all the Domains that could allow for us to fight Excrucians on equal terms were gone. In other words, the Götterdämmerung that happened to us was partially also our own fault.
Three, although the past was glorious, the universe was still in its diapers. We were just discovering our full potential and power, barely scratching the surface of what was possible to us. If we had more time to develop, learn and become even more awesome our awesomeness alone would've overwhelmed them. Simply put, if we had more time to develop we would've become so incredible that there are no words that could adequately describe just how mind-blowingly awesome we could become. Unfortunately, now, all that potential is lost.
Of course there's the occasional Anti-Spiral lie that if we got too intoxicated on Rule of Cool, we will end the universe, like what happened to Lord Genome. - Now that we know the problem, what's the solution?
- Kamina. Or the God Emperor of Mankind. Probably also with an occasional help of Science, since that's the only most powerful Estate we all have for now.
- Hence why we make fiction nowadays. It is the Collective Unconscious of the past memories pushing thoughts of the Glory Days into our thoughts. These products of the collective unconscious are called archetypes, innate psychic motifs on which most of our unconscious experiences emerge (which by our vocabulary is known as the Trope, and which by Nobilis could also be the aforementioned estates. An example of an archetype: The Hero. Obviously the past had more Heroes than nowadays). However, Real Life is so ruined it can't bring those days of Moment of Awesome back, so we make alternate universes we call fiction so that the wishes of the collective unconscious can be satisfied.
Then they made an Intercontinuity Crossover in the form of Marco Polo. Then they decided that it was awesome and went to retcon them being on different sides of the same continent. That's why Europe and Asia have separate names and Eurasia sound so lame.
This actually explains that why are Britain and Japan related, as mentioned below.
And yes, Jesus Christ and Siddhartha Gautama Buddha were originally the same person.
- And Russia is the seam created by the connection.
- I KNEW IT! Wait, so you're me... and he's me... HOLY SHIT, I'm Sam L. Jackson? MY TIMESTREAM ROCKS!
- If you're going to call it a serious WMG, could you perhaps care to back it up?
- 42.
- the meaning of life is obviously...buckets
- On the contrary, the meaning of life is to find a counterexample to the meaning of life.
- The meaning of life isn't 42, then?
- If you believe it is 42, do you think that the actual truth and meaning of all life, and does that apply to all the beings in the universe?
- Great, now you made yourself look like Socrates. Shut up.
- If you believe it is 42, do you think that the actual truth and meaning of all life, and does that apply to all the beings in the universe?
- So, Existentialism.
- To create your own meaning you need to have a mind to do it with. Where the fuck did the mind come from in the first place?? Or is the mind the meaning???
- Does your mind have to have a meaning to exist?
- The mind evolved from simpler components. It's a parallel processing memristor-based CPU without a hard drive. Cognition is derived by self-analysis and self-alteration looping back upon themselves. The mind did not evolve for some meaning, it evolved as a direct cause of the laws of physics applied with brute force attempts and evolution.
- That - That kind of made me have some hope for mankind. With all the implications, I mean. After all, how many people do you know have no care about the world? How many people do you know don't give a damn? The fact that people make a big deal about everything or one little something is proof of this.
- It does make sense, the idea that having no purpose or meaning in life is actually a fortunate gift. We were just brainwashed into thinking that only mentally-ill Nietzsche Wannabes can think of such a thing, because society (Atheists especially blame Religion) conditioned each of us to believe we all have the same "meaning in life" as real and objective as science, otherwise if we lived meaningless lives we could all just commit suicide. Well in a life with no purpose, instead of committing suicide, you can imagine, dream and be anything you want. You can be a successful entrepreneur, a brilliant writer, a historical figure, a total badass, a Übermensch (in fact Nietzsche also thought that an existential vacuum is a novel idea rather than Nightmare Fuel), 42, what-have-you. If human life did have a purpose, we would be simply mere tools and objects instead of subjects, free choice would be an illusion, and it would be a natural right if people who violated their predetermined purposes are sent to Hell without a say, a question or a chance of parole. In a life with purpose, we have to tailor our very imaginations and subconscious to that single meaning, leading to a totalitarian Orwellian life, but in a purposeless life, imagination is free.
- The thing that a lot of people don't get about Nietzche is that, while he considered that Nihilisim was a inevitable for the rational mind, it is also absolutely necessary to leave it behind in order to progress.
The state of being which begins with generation, birth, or germination, and ends with death; also, the time during which this state continues; that state of an animal or plant in which all or any of its organs are capable of performing all or any of their functions; — used of all animal and vegetable organisms.
That's what it says in the dictionary.
I was raised almost completely without religion and all of this was always my default assumption without any angst, so i genuinely don't understand other peoples' reactions to the idea. Why is not having preset orders to obey so scary?[[/note]]
Related crossovers:
- Oh, and the meaning of life is also doing the impossible.
- And seeing the invisible.
- and touching the untouchable.
- and breaking the unbreakable.
- ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWAH!
- He really wanted his plan to be done.
- JUST AS PLANNED.
- Japan is similar. Yamato Takeru, Emperor Meiji, and Tōgō Heihachirō are also reincarnations. They return to defend Japan in her greatest need.
- Meiji and Togo lived at the same time.
- If Tōgō Heihachirō is a reincarnation of Nelson, then are these the same time lord?
- But if he was born in a different time, as a different race, in different circumstances, he isn't the same person, is he? The poor black man in the 50's is as much Adolf Hitler as this troper is Hugh Hefner.
- He doesn't need to be born in a different time, race or even circumstances. If he never got the chance of enlisting in the Great War, he would've never gotten "inspired" to "make Germany great." He would probably still be anti-Semitic, but more out of the time he was living, and not to the extreme we know him today. What consequences this might have for history, though, are still debatable.
- You're Hugh Hefner?
- Alternatively, Sarah Palin is the real person and Ann Coulter is the disguise.
- He spends his days jamming with Elvis and learning how to ride Shergar.
Dawkins -> Dakwins -> Darwin
- I am glad to see I'm not the only one who thought this. As a child I would often get the two confused because of the similarities in their names and beliefs.
- I don't think their beliefs are really all that similar. They're both famous evolutionary biologists, of course, but Dawkins is mostly famous for being a militant atheist whereas Darwin was a Christian who eventually turned agnostic. But I used to get their names confused too.
- Dick Dakwins?
- Darkwing Duck?
- The problem with your theory is that (in the original film, at least; I never saw the remake) the Manchurian Candidate didn't "come out of nowhere". Rather, he was the wealthy son of a military family, who had spent several years in a POW camp controlled by Asian communists where he was brainwashed. Wait... military family... POW in Asia... Hmmm... maybe it's for the best that we didn't elect John McCain after all.
- And he's always calling for prostitutes with his "Ho! ho! ho!" chant ... young ladies always sitting on his lap... and that red velvet outfit of his!
- Jossed by history. "Santa Claus" is a mispronunciation of "Sanctus Nicolaus", Latin for "Saint Nicholas", who was bishop of Myra in the 4th century and obviously did nothing satanic.
- Explain this, then.◊
- A textbook case of trolling.
- Jossed by history. "Santa Claus" is a mispronunciation of "Sanctus Nicolaus", Latin for "Saint Nicholas", who was bishop of Myra in the 4th century and obviously did nothing satanic.
- Damn those Brain Uploaders!
- Given the ranting over everything, he's clearly gone insane.
- and now he really is dead!
- Its there all right...but we call it conformity.
- Both are highly successful philosophers who had a profound impact on Western culture (Christianity, Western philosophy).
- Both lived in an area and is a part of a race that have profound impacts on Western society (Jesus lived with the Jews, Socrates lived with the Greeks)
- Both are philosophers whose fathers had careers as proletarians (Joseph was a carpenter, Sophroniscus was a sculptor) but ironically, both of themselves were liked by the upper class (Christians, academic philosophers)
- Both lived relatively moderate-to-poor lives.
- Both have scanty historical proof of existence, but were believed to actually exist by the majority, and their lives can be only found to the writings of their most devoted followers (Gospels, Dialogues)
- Both have followers who later twisted the actual accounts (Apostles, Plato)
- Both practiced massive amounts of humility (Jesus' "Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you", Socrates' "I only know I know nothing")
- Both were criticized by mainsteam society (who, ironically, would later accept the two's beliefs as mainstream philosophy) for their beliefs.
- Both followed the laws of said society, but criticized their opinions, especially on the grounds of morality.
- Both were considered by Friedrich Nietzsche as Worthy Opponents and the actual Ubermenschen.
- Both believe in the immortality and further importance of the soul.
- Both are known to have no fear of death.
- Both died defending their belief, although Jesus met a more gruesome and painful end while Socrates drank hemlock.
- Hemlock is not painless, that's just something Plato made up.
- The Theme Park Version of an alchemist is someone who tries to turn lead into gold. However, Nicolas Flamel (who was a real person, not a character that J. K. Rowling made up) stated that he turned mercury into gold. That actually makes sense from a scientific standpoint. Mercury can be actually transmuted into gold through the photoneutron process, hereby described:
- Irradiate mercury-198 atoms with 6.8MeV gamma rays
- The gamma rays will cause mercury-198 atoms to eject a neutron, turning into mercury-197, which is radioactive, with a half-life of 2.7 days
- Mercury-197 decays into gold-197 by β+ decay: one of its protons emits a positron, turning into an additional neutron
- So there you have it. Gamma rays are emitted by radioactive substances, so the Philosopher's Stone was actually a substance capable to emit 6.8MeV gamma rays. Lead only enters into the picture because it shields radiations and it would be necessary in order to perform such an experiment safely.
- Adolf Hitler. The man has escaped death to almost ludicrous extremes. During World War One, he made a Deal with the Devil for his greatest desire-to become the most famous German all time. The deal allowed him to escape death time and time again, to ensure he becomes the most famous German. The devil part? Well, infamy's a kind of fame too. Eventually the Devil felt bad about it, so intervened and made Hitler less competent during the war.
- Fidel Castro. Speaking of lucky, there are literally hundreds of failed attempts at killing him, despite being one of America's biggest enemy. He found a particularly good-tempered jinn, who decided to grant him a wish to never be assassinated. His second wish was "Please, for the love of God don't let World War III happen!" This wish was wasted however, since just about everyone else with it wished this. The third wish was a cigar than can burn endlessly.
Related Crossovers:
- Jesus is Adam (all powerful), Socrates is Lilith (fruit of knowledge).
- Unstoppable Force and Immovable Object? That means that Socrates is to Jesus what The Joker is to Batman.
- Who the hell is Buddha, then?
- Buddha simply got out of Jesus and Socrates' way, finding it to be laughable and unnecessary, and instead found his own nirvana in The Force.
- A time traveller. He travelled some time to the 19th century, and copied down the technology the best he could comprehend. He didn't die, but faked his death to explore further into the future.
- A Mad Scientist-just look at Cracked's article.
- Archimedes reincarnated.
- The result of a Stable Time Loop. A future historian went back in time to try and figure out Leonardo's genius, only to arrive too early and left his Da Vinci biography. It took a bit, but Leonardo managed to translate it and base his works on it.
But if he was experiencing an opium-induced altered state of consciousness, and therefore his whole vision was a hallucination, then there's no need for an external agent to explain why he never completed the poem. Coleridge wasn't lucid yet when he started jotting down the poem, and the person from Porlock was another hallucination! Had an observer been next to Coleridge when the incident happened, they would have seen him stopping writing all of a sudden for no reason, opening the door as if someone was there, and then acting as if he was engaged in a conversation with a person only he could perceive!
- Ironically mao is chinese for cat with the right tone.
- That's scarily similar to the events of Felidae....
- And they've had an impact on history. The pyramids were created by cats. Unfortunately, the pharaohs got in the way.
- http://toxiplasmagondii.blogspot.com/
- Lolcats are the cats attempt to make sure no-one takes them seriously. That, or its Bread and Circuses-they give us funny pictures of themselves so that we have incentive to serve their every needs.
- Christians demonised snakes because they know this is the case. If we're going by the "cephalopods are causing global warming" WMG, the snakes have allied with the squids to flood human habitats. The squids will betray them.
- Wait...so they like/tolerate what is basically eugenics, inbreeding, being bred with horrible disfigurements that humans find aesthetically pleasing, being forced to live in small wooden houses in muddy yards, being forced into daily rituals of bondage, exercise schedules, feeding times, pointless and inane games, being named whatever humans choose, having to do their business in the open and in full sight, having their 'bits' chopped off, being forced into isolation from their species, and being killed if they rebel in any way?
- Maybe they tolerate all that because secretly they are controling us and using us in an attempt to create the Kwizatz Haderach of dogs
- Well, they seem to actually like the 'exercise schedules' (also known as 'walkies') and games. As for the rest, possible Blue-and-Orange Morality (and/or Conditioned to Accept Horror if you insist on taking a darker view on things) on the part of dogs, combined that with Extreme Doormat tendencies and us doing a really good job of making sure that Undying Loyalty was hardwired into the doggie psyche.
- And their master is Cthulhu.
- Mosquitos are usually harmless, and the diseases they carry aren't their fault.
- Killing a mosquito is fighting God's will, and you will rot in Hell eternally for it.
It is very much a Starfish Alien in comparison to known life forms, it has a mind but not like any creature we know, with no logic or morality that humans can understand. Animals and plants are connected physically to the Earth, it needs us to survive, and also mentally, the organisms residing on it are also connected to each other in a simular way.
It seems Earth has attempted to communicate with us through this, but these attempts have had little success becuase of huge language and phsycology barriers,as well as the dormancy of the mental connection between Earth and us, other organisms may be able to use the link more effectively, but amongst humans it has done little more than cause confusion and given rise to ideas like 'God' and 'magic.'
Animals also seem to be able to use this for telepathic communication,how much other creatures use this at what efficiency is unknown, but humans are unskilled at this.
- Another interpretation is that if the Earth is a living thing, Humans are The Virus (had to say the Agent Smith reference). The Missing Link? It was actually the time when The Virus infected Earth. As for us being the Virus, think about it: ever since we were born on Earth, instead of adapting with it in a symbiotic relationship like most plants and animals do, we try to form Earth to our own will. We settle to one place, modify the available area, consume all the resources, reproduce like hell, warp reality so that the surface would look like warped mountains, and so on, and when the area is exhausted, we move to another, where we then continue to consume. Another being is capable of this: The Virus. Earth's own brand of viruses, bacteria, and possibly all other forms of Gaia's Vengeance could be Earth's own immune system. Space Travel is simply the viruses' instinctive ability to infect other planets / bodies.
- Humans are life Gone Horribly Right.
- They live on much slower time-scales, so we don't notice.
- Homo sapiens.
- Humans are trying to overthrow themselves?
- Bottlenose dolphins. The only reason why they haven't built underwater cities is because They're too busy raping and killing For the Evulz. They will eventually get themselves into gear when they need to protect themselves from us.
- Cats and dogs, as mentioned above.
- Octopuses.
- Apes. They're jealous we're the only primates to rule the earth.
- Confirmed- We're apes.
- Elephants - they mourn their dead, manipulate objects, make art, and actually do have intense memory power.
- Guinea-Pigs - the ultimate in Obfuscating Stupidity.
We know the Earth is getting overcrowded, with both humans and other animals alike. A lot of those animals are evolving right in front of us- elephants are evolving away their tusks as a result of poaching, for example. Think back to the dinosaurs- doesn't matter how they died, my point is they died. The extinction event killed every dinosaur that was stuck on land (IOW, damn near everything that didn't fly). This is where we get our birds from. Without those dinosaurs dying, the leftovers wouldn't have the chance to evolve into the birds we have today.
If our ancestors (Homo heidlebergensis and Homo erectus, for instance) hadn't died, Homo sapiens sapiens couldn't have evolved. Once most of a species is gone, what's left begins evolving features to help them survive- it's a way of self preservation. The leftovers become so fast, so smart, and so well adapted to their current situation, that they no longer resemble the original species. BUT this is achieved only when the numbers of that species are extremely destitute. This is why Homo sapiens sapiens has evolved no further physically- we have no need to. There are enough of us to survive a cataclysm, and our genes know it.
Once the ice caps are gone, we'll lose our cold water sea life, yes- but from this loss, we'll acquire new species. Perhaps we're SUPPOSED to be killing these animals off- although that's only a theory and not something I acutally support. However, it does appear we're at the edge of a mass extinction event, given the earth's natural cooling and warming rhythms, and our powerlessness at stopping them.
Mass extinction event, yes/no? DISCUSS and/or RAGE.
PS: Just an afterthought- For those that don't believe in evolution, why would God create something and not give it the ability to better itself over time? Porque no las dos, as the commercial says? (Of course, sometimes species DEVOLVE- become slower, stupider, and less adapted, but does the Bible not say God has a lassiez-faire attitude about this stuff?)
- Isn't this already confirmed? We've been in the Holocene Extinction for the past 10 millennia. The real question is how far it will go?
- And when their natural enemies, turtles, began choking on plastic bags, the Irukandji jellyfish filled the void and made the other jellyfishes join it in an uprising (read: brutal omnicide) against humanity and the rest of the planet. Clearly, it was their Evil Plan!
- Same reason as above: why they said homosexuality is a sin.
- Both take tea very seriously. Britons consume vast amounts of tea, the Japanese have an elaborate ceremony for drinking it. Both love it.
- Both have had a rigidly stratified social structure.
- They have comparable climates.
- Both early on received an influx of a dominant mainland religion which at least officially replaced the previous pagan one (Christianity, Buddhism).
- Both were involved in a civil war between two rival families in which one side flew a red flag, and the other a white flag (the Wars of the Roses, the Gempei War).
- They allied in 1902.
- Both have successfully aggravated the majority of their mainland neighbors and have ongoing feuds with at least one of them.
- Both had their enemies attempt to invade them, only to be scattered by a storm in the channel nearby (the Spanish Armada, the Mongol invasions).
- Lampshaded by the Imperial Japanese Navy's policy of imitating the British in the late 19th century, right down to both eating curry on Fridays. Japan realised how similar the two island nations were, and acted accordingly. They ordered lots of ships (including Mikasa, the flagship at Tsushima) from Britain, too.
- Both have produced great admirals who won strategic naval battles, almost exactly 100 years apart, and born 90 years apart. Admiral Togo considered himself to be a reincarnation of Nelson. And both are strongly associated with their flagships, both of which are preserved for posterity.
- Both are tiny island nations that have managed to wield a lot of clout, ruling Empires and taking on much larger neighbors.
- Neither are tiny. Japan's longer than the east coast of Australia.
- In neither nation can you be more than 75 miles from the sea.
- Both are constitutional monarchies (although the UK is a Kingdom while Japan is an Empire).
- Britain tried to take over the world, while Japan isolated itself for centuries. Japan also had an empire that tried to take over the world and Britain also went through phases of trying to cut itself off from the world. It's just that Britain was better at empire building and Japan was better at isolation.
- Britain had huge deposits of metal ores, Japan had next to none.
- They both have a history of putting honour before self-preservation. England may have got over it a bit sooner, but there was a fairly lengthy period of history where a warrior's live was focused on loyalty to their lord, to the extent that it was considered shameful to survive a battle where he was killed. Sound familiar?
- Japan is a very respectful and excessively polite country as was Britain (England at least) its a shame that Britain has lost that respect.
- This British troper disagrees.
- Both have a reputation for being uptight and reserved on the surface, and cheerfully loopy and risque sense of humour underneath.
- Both have a habit of 'borrowing' words from different languages, tweaking them a bit and then claiming them as their own.
- Both have a history of suspicion and often outright hostility towards anything 'foreign', although England seems to have got over the worst of it and Japan is lagging behind a bit.
- The above mentioned suspicion does not always apply to food. Both countries are quite happy to nick ideas from other cultures in the interest of tastiness and often end up considering them theirs.
- Both countries have a fixation with curry and in both cases the curry in question bears little or no resemblance to the original dish.
- Both have reputations for heavy drinking.
- Both had the native population at least partly displaced and/or outnumbered by an influx of outsiders from the mainland which are now regarded as the dominant ethnic group.
- Both tend to inflict impractically formal school uniforms on their kids (and parents).
- Both export large amounts of media as a niche product (British Film industry, comedy and Reality Shows vs. Anime).
- Both drive on the left side of the road. The only other countries that do either were part of The British Empire into the mid-20th century or have vehicle fleets made up largely of used JDM cars.
- Both have been bastards to China (and Asia in general), although Japan has been a bit worse then Britain.
- Just a bit.
- Why [2]? I mean, the two Opium Wars were pretty bastard-y to me. If it wasn't for those two we might have seen an even fight between China and Japan in the First/Second Sino-japanese Wars.
- Not necessarily. Depends whether or not Japan modernises more than Japan, as in OTL.
- Just a bit.
- Both countries are have a number of neighbours who hate them, or at least consider them a massive pain in the arse
- This British troper has to admit, they can see it.
- They both lost a war with America.
- We might as well say that through some freak of temporal physics, both wound up in the same universe.
- Also both of them are now allies with the United States of America
- True, but in Japan's case, it really was Defeat Means Friendship. In Britain's case, it was more America joining WWI and them being more or less friendly after that, and then allying again in World War Two as equals. So not quite.
- Also, apparently God lives in Japan and the Antichrist lives in Britain.
- So.... Area 11 is Britannia?
- Both countries greatly value stoicism, with the British concept of the Stiff Upper Lip, and the Japanese phrase "It Can't Be Helped".
- They both have a deep sense of Cultural Cringe.
- That's an alternative to the USA?
- I think its more likely that USA was the one where things hold dominion over people (materialism and conspicuous consumption), and USSR was the one where other people hold dominion over people (totalitarianism).
- More plausibly, in America Humans Are Cthulhu who are at the top of the cosmic hierarchy (science, materialism, natural selection in full effect thanks to capitalism, you are the one who consumes) and in Soviet Russia Humans (or more specifically, Individuals like you, if you go by Nineteen Eighty-Four) are Puny Earthlings who are the lowliest in all existence.
- I think its more likely that USA was the one where things hold dominion over people (materialism and conspicuous consumption), and USSR was the one where other people hold dominion over people (totalitarianism).
- Well the Soviet Union was a federation and a superpower like the United States so, maybe they were alternate vesion of each other to a stillmar vien to UK and Japan in the WMG above.
- Suicide by Being Killed In Battle was actually popular back in the Middle Ages, both for the Muslims and the "Anti-Suicide" Christians (the Christians themselves took cues from Norse Pagans)
- Well DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH
- They're probably just jealous that we have a lot more freedom and/or acceptance of Rule Thirty Four than their culture.
- Neither is willing to genuflect to anyone.
- Both are loud and brash (each in their own way) and refuse to be ignored.
- One is known for its warm climate, the other is known for its cold climate.
- Both has served as The Chessmaster for their respective region, either historically or into the present day.
- They each spearheaded one of the two most famous secession movements in American History: the Hartford Convention and the Civil War, respectively.
- They are the two colonies that were most violent/passionate in the early American Revolution. Massachusetts dragged the North into the Revolution, and South Carolina dragged the Deep South in.
- They both became the much richer part of their colony/state before spinning of the poorer region: Maine and North Carolina, respectively.
- This theory was written by a North Korean government official in a failed attempt to spread propaganda about the CrapsackWorld that is the Real North Korea.
- Or maybe the whole totalitarianism thing is [[TheConspiracy fabrication by everyone else to discriebit North Korea and the above Troper is in on it. Personly I dough this is the case, but you ever known.
Let's see, the latter is a hard-left proponent of socialism and the former was a hard-right proponent of capitalism. If we look at it libertarianism is gaining steam in the US. The deaths of Thatcher and Chavez was that`in the end, both pure capitalism and socialism will fail, replaced with a more centrist socially liberal and fiscally conservative view of thinking.
- This is not an argument for Rousseau Was Right, by the way—people like to make excuses for themselves to justify their actions. Even Evil Has Standards, and the fastest way you piss off a morally questionable guy is to give him orders that offend his sense of morality (even if said morality is of the OrangeAndBlueMorality orange and blue variety. Most participants were able to justify "killing" the unseen man because they reasoned to themselves that there was no possible way a real human being was being harmed.
- Alternately, the experimenters were a little smarter than this WMG gives them credit for and tried to keep participants in the dark, but they selected college students, who compared to the general population are regularly picked to participate in experiments.
- Similarly, the Stanford Prison Experiment ended up the way it did because of an escalating prank war, with neither side wanting to back down despite the increasingly worse conditions because they were too caught up in showing up the other side.
Alternatively, the cycle of war, suffering and death falls. Many reasons why but the best would be intervention by a divine force or, better yet, Rand Paul, or some equally idealistic politician(perhaps helped by some God Emperor-esque figure) taking over Ron Paul's legacy and successfully increasing the influence of the Liberty Movement, which then somehow merges with the remnents of the Occupy Movement(which is what RP wanted to do in his 2012 election) after sorting out their ideological differences. This leads to a non-aligned movement jabbing at both parties and winning in 2016. Eventually, after a bill that causes the fall of the fed and the return of the Gold Standard, this reveals an opening that shows that the The Illuminati(or some other just as malign Ancient Conspiracy was behind everything bad in human history for the last 300 years for the whole time. A World Revolution then takes place that destroys, or disbands The Illuminati(and possibly their alien masters, the Greys and the Reptilians, as well assuming they have one and this is taken to space) for good and replaces every country's government with left or right-leaning libertarian ones. The world then rebuilds, reduces climate change & ends war for good, dismantling all of the nukes, and, as a result, ushers in a new golden age known as the Age of Aquarius, where technology and the Gold Standard is used to solve the majority of the world's problems and world peace & economic prosperity reigns surpreme. This prosperity would make even the most hardened cynics either roll in their grave if they're dead or flip on the floor laughing out loud at what they've witnessed....
- ..........however, depending on what happens, it might not last. Humans simply grew too complacent thinking all of this would last forever. Space Colonization begins and eventually humans switch from using spaceships with cryo, to ships using hyperspace drive to colonize other worlds. Eventually warp travel is found and Psykers are born due to advances in technology and contact with this newly found "warp". However,it is discovered that the universe has a hell..........the powers of the Warp screws up everything and destroys human society. The fact that the humans' macnhines decided to rebel against them doesn't help either, all of this leading to the age of strife where chaos and death reigns surpreme. Eventually, the same godly figure that helped to overthrow the Illuminati in the first place returns, unifies Earth, renames it as "Holy Terra" and creates 20 armies of badass Super Soldiers, each led by their own divine figure created from this divide figure's DNA, to guide humanity and restore their empire. However, he is betrayed by his favorite "Son", corrupted by the dark powers within the Warp, and 9 of the armies, who destroy his mortal form and forces his body to be incapacitated forever. The result is.....a disturbingly familiar......future of Grim Darkess where there is only war and suffering beyond one's wildest nightmares........and none shall matter instead of the laughter of Mad Gods!!! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
- Alternatively, the peace lasts until 2183 AD..........where a race of demonic Spaceships come to cleanse the galaxy of lifeforms every 50,000 years, and this time...............we won't have a Shepard to save us.....
- ..........however, depending on what happens, it might not last. Humans simply grew too complacent thinking all of this would last forever. Space Colonization begins and eventually humans switch from using spaceships with cryo, to ships using hyperspace drive to colonize other worlds. Eventually warp travel is found and Psykers are born due to advances in technology and contact with this newly found "warp". However,it is discovered that the universe has a hell..........the powers of the Warp screws up everything and destroys human society. The fact that the humans' macnhines decided to rebel against them doesn't help either, all of this leading to the age of strife where chaos and death reigns surpreme. Eventually, the same godly figure that helped to overthrow the Illuminati in the first place returns, unifies Earth, renames it as "Holy Terra" and creates 20 armies of badass Super Soldiers, each led by their own divine figure created from this divide figure's DNA, to guide humanity and restore their empire. However, he is betrayed by his favorite "Son", corrupted by the dark powers within the Warp, and 9 of the armies, who destroy his mortal form and forces his body to be incapacitated forever. The result is.....a disturbingly familiar......future of Grim Darkess where there is only war and suffering beyond one's wildest nightmares........and none shall matter instead of the laughter of Mad Gods!!! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
- Jossed.Sighs and feels sympathy for the poor remaining Mayans who have to put up with this date being thrown at them every single day. On that note...
- Obama has won the 2012 election.
- Britain will leave the EU before it becomes the USE. A big reason we don't like the EU is because we can see that coming all too clearly, and we don't want to be part of a USE. But we don't want to be part of the USA either; the whole point is we don't want to be part of a USAnything.
- And then America, because of its brainless hatred of Europe and love of money will buy out the USE, and then go to war with all the people they don't like... No matter how stupid the reason that might be. America will take over the world, and the only country left to build a resistance will be Britain.
- Please tell me you did not just do that.
- We all do it, when you see the internet you are actually facing a Tome of Eldritch Lore which serves as a guide to an Assimilation Plot where your identity is changed to I Am Legion which in turn gives you the feeling of A God Am I and allows you do anything For the Evulz and get away with it like bashing identity-exploiting ideologies such as Scientology. This.... is called The G.I.F.T.
- As shown by Serial Experiments Lain. Also, Anonymous is obviously The Legions of Hell.
- Well, duh; we just have to get rid of all the damn whales first.
Anyways, once this warming stage is over, the earth will begin to cool down. By then, humans will have developed all sorts of awesome alternative energies. Once the "global cooling" panic sets in, humans of the future will shht themselves in fear. They will look at the history books to this time era and think they overdid it with the alternative fuels. They will then try to fix this by burning more fossil fuels, when, in reality, humans will have not learned that this just happens.
And it will be just as ridiculous then.
- People were freaking about the imminent arrival of "the next Ice Age" up until around The '80s, at which point the politicians - led by Margaret Thatcher, who was after making a unique political position on the world stage in order to raise her international importance - began inducing people to freak about the opposite possibility, and funding "scientists" to produce results that supported the political position. The same propaganda machine is responsible for the organisation of politically funded "scientists" being able to survive the mass hack/leak of emails containing explicit instructions from the higher-ups to their subordinates on how to fudge their results to support the ideology, instead of being called out as blindingly obvious organised scientific fraud. Sooner or later some other big bogeyman will rear its head (the Cold War restarting, perhaps?) and people will move on to freaking about that and forget about the whole silly climate business.
- But America will then backstab China and Japan, because they don't trust Asia.
- Jossed, everything is fine.
- Well if the world doesn't end then something will have to happen, by default.
- Jossed after Romney has been finalized as the GOP candidate. Maybe he will be the one who will end the world?
- Since he didn't win the election and the apocalypse didn't happen, the theory is Triple-Jossed.
- Not a WMG.
- It's a guess, but is it wild and mass?
- It's a wild guess about something massive.
- It's a guess, but is it wild and mass?
- No time machines, so Jossed.
- In that case, the numerous descendants of the Mayans who are currently living in Mexico can be annoyed that their ancestors got their predictions completely wrong, as well as annoyed by how all these gringos kept misinterpreting what their ancestors' calendar had to say about 2012.
- Could it be the date of death of the lastpure breed Mayans? And the Mayans now, although still technically Mayans, have large admixtures of Spanish, Olmec, Toltec and Aztec blood?
- There isn't any magic so... Jossed.
- He knew that Chtulhu would be coming to earth, and so he planted subliminal messages in his books so that when the internet was invented, somebody would create this website' and strengthen the minds of those who used it with the tropes and genre savvines so they, the elite, could resist Cthulhu's powers of insanity, and find a way to stop him.
- As an addenium: The various weird lawsuits and copyright / censorship laws either introduced, passed, blocked, etc., are the result of multiple parties attacking the internet from different angles, and it is only a matter of time until some sort of successful method to lock down the free flow of information is discovered.
- Well this troper loves internet memes yet is smart enough to philosophize.....
- What if we use memes to spread information? Now we can put the trope Watch It for the Meme to good use.
- Alternatively, every single internet meme has been deliberately constructed as part of this research project to essenitally weaponize the meme.
- Ignoring the idiotic alien theory, the basic WMG isn't actually a WMG. We know it to be true.
But here's the truth - have you ever felt like you were meant for something more in your life? Like there's a hole you can't fill, no matter what you do? Like there is something grander in this universe than anything you've known so far but you just can't reach it?
That's because there is. Here's the truth that has been denied all your life from you - almost everyone else is telepathic. You've been disabled from birth and out of the respect for your disability(which is carried by more than 25% of the population) all the information about it is censored from the non-telepathic portion of the community.
It's not as hard as you might think. Projecting illusions over the minds of baselines(that's the Muggle word for you, by the way) is absurdly easy. Doing it with the media is a bit harder but we've eventually invented a system of sigils that forces an absolute denial response in baseline mind when seen or heard. BTW this is the reason for 90% of the so-called "plotholes" in any media you might care to mention. A digression: in actuality, Highlander II: The Quickening was one of the greatest films of the 20th century but the amount of sigils it has simply makes the story silly for the non-telepathic mind.
So, there's the truth. No sigils. No censorship. Now you know.
- Wait... does this apply to everyone or to just me?
- The Illuminati have been around since the late 18th century. Since then, humanity has advanced socially and technologically. If the Illuminati really control the world, they're doing a pretty good job leading us.
Let's see, assuming the NWO is real and if the Rothschilds, Rockerfellers and the US government gets tied to this world-spanning conspiracy, why is Putin often painted as a hero? That's because that's what the Illuminati wants you to think, they are in fact serving the same purpose of ushering in the NWO. The Western powers are being controlled and its foreign policy shaped to be belligerent by a "Dark Master"—-while said Dark master poses as the good guy......does that sound familiar?
- Jossed, I'm lying down with a wall right behind me.
- The Missing Link theory seems to support this.
- So, where did humans came from?
- The answer is simple: MARS! Think about it: We love to observe Mars, we like to make science-fiction about Mars, we portray Martians as a super-advanced species with us as just some ghetto, we are obsessed with colonizing Mars, even to the point that we "need" to find water on Mars (well, there is ice, and running water in comparatively recent Martian history, geologically speaking). Our treatment of Earth as an Insignificant Little Blue Planet filled with slaves (animals) and our obsession of colonizing Mars is an unconscious memory of the Human-Martian heritage.
- Only the men are from Mars, all the women are from Venus. In fact there are still Alien civilizations on Venus. The planet is just too cloudy for us to see them.
- And that's why homosexuality exists. When all the men lived on Mars and all the women lived on Venus, they had to reproduce somehow, right? Back then, gay/lesbian sex actually produced babies. When the Martians and Venus-ians arrived at Earth and met each other, they slowly lost their ability of same sex reproduction and instead started to reproduce with each other, and so heterosexuality became the norm. Today, homosexuals are old school/nostalgic and homophobes are in deep denial about our true heritage.
- I thought we were Golgafrinchan.....
- There are still aliens out there (How Big Is The Universe?), only their brains are comparable to that of apes. When these aliens form civilization, we'll become the Sufficiently Advanced Aliens.
- Of course, first troper is assuming that aliens have similiar psychologies to humans. There's no telling HOW or WHERE TO an advanced alien civilisation might expand. Through wildly differing cognitive processes, what if they easily discovered or thought whole different realms of scientific laws, beyond the laws of physics as we understand them? Maybe they found a way to expand in ways and forms we can't currently comprehend.
- Alternatively: The parallel Earth is a century/a few decades behind ours and WE will be the Aliens.
Think about it. Radio waves are about the suckiest way to talk across interstellar distances. Everyone else has moved on to something else. You think reading a 5 1/4" disc is hard? Try building scanning equipment for a commo method no one's used for 10,000 years. There's lots of talk out there, we just can't hear it, and they can't hear us.
- Hell is described as a place of suffering, with fire and brimstone ("brimstone" being an old word for "sulfur"). One of the old names for Venus was Lucifer (="Light bringer"), which is also one of the names of Satan. Successive inferior conjunctions of Venus repeat a 13:8 orbital resonance (the Earth orbits 8 times for every 13 orbits of Venus), creating a pentagrammic precession sequence; the Spanish Inquisition established a connection between the pentagram (originally a pagan symbol) and Satan. The surface of Venus probably looks like this◊ due to temperature and pressure and is actually an inferno (pun very much intended) of heat and sulfur: the temperature goes over 460 °C (860 °F), while the pressure is between 75 and 100 times the pressure on Earth; sulfur is a major constituent of the Venusian crust and Venusian rain is made of sulfuric acid. Obviously, anybody on that surface would experience atrocious suffering.
- Heaven, on the other hand, is described as a place of "light", high in the sky, with "streets of gold", while the popular depiction includes fluffy clouds. It turns out that, 50 kilometers above the surface of Venus, the temperature and pressure match those of Earth, and that an aerostat habitat containing air at 1 bar would naturally float at that altitude due to buoyancy. Such a base or city would be flying above an endless expanse of golden clouds, brightly lit by sunlight. Receiving light from two sources (directly from the Sun and indirectly from the clouds) would increase the amount of free energy available for the base, which would grant a high standard of living for its inhabitants.
- a moon larger than Mercury, with a higher atmospheric pressure than Earth (in fact, it's the only moon with an atmosphere), with a mist made out of complex carbon compounds and seas made out of methane and ethane (Titan).
- a moon with a white hemisphere (because it's made out of ice) and a hemisphere that is almost black, due to being completely covered in complex carbon compounds (Iapetus)
- a moon with an ocean of liquid water under the icy surface, with water geysers spouting out of the ice (Enceladus)
- an egg-shaped moon, with the longest diameter of 3 km, with a completely smooth surface, without any crater or crevice, with an average density of only 0.3 grams per cubic centimeter (water has a density of 1 gram per cubic centimeter) (Methone)
But if one occurrence is a chance, two are a coincidence and three a conspiracy, what is going on when the occurrences are four?
According to NASA, Methone is officially composed of "ice fluff", but if it was really made out of an impalpable material, why does it still exist, as opposed to being completely disintegrated by the impacts of the asteroids attracted by the mass of Saturn? A density that low could also mean a thin solid hull, enclosing a hollow body! And if it really is hollow, what's inside? What if Methone was actually an alien mothership? What does NASA know? Since when? And how do they know it in the first place?
Arthur C. Clarke used scientific support from NASA to write his novels. In 1968 he wrote about "the white hemisphere of Iapetus with a black dot in the middle", but the first probe to reach the Saturn system was Pioneer 11... in 1979! He could have known about the different albedos of the two hemisphere, from previous observations (Iapetus has a higher magnitude when it's on the right side of Saturn than when it's on the left side), but what about the black dot in the middle of the white hemisphere? The novel version of 2001: A Space Odyssey is about Saturn, but the movie and the subsequent novels are about Jupiter! Why the change? Just because Douglas Trumbull was allegedly incapable to create a believable model of the rings of Saturn? But he succeeded, just four years later! Or was Arthur C. Clarke ordered to be silent about Saturn?
- Do we really need fear of hell to make us good people? The reason we might need God for true morality might be that he created us with a conscience. In short, God made us able to judge basic human decency. In which case the only basis for morals is still God, but knowledge of God isn't necessary; we have consciences. That would explain why so many cultures have such remarkably similar senses of morality.
- Hello. Looking for me?
- Oh my you. Although, it would explain all the weird tropes that pop up in Real Life.
Also, all gods did create the universe. Each one contributed a tiny bit. All packed into a very tiny speck. Then, after a unanimous agreement to expand their speck, they performed some weird universe-expanding ritual, and then the bang was big.
As for religious wars? Ares has been getting bored out of his mind, what with the ancient Greeks and Romans having died out.
- Ares is dead. Didn't you get the memo? It's "Kratos" now.
- Wait a minute... what if you're an atheist, and you don't believe in heaven or hell? Wouldn't you be doomed to the unimaginable hell that is nonexistence?
- No. And if there is such a thing as "nonexistence", it won't be hell. You have to experience something to dislike it.
- Not Jesus, but Moses. That guy got bigger issues.
- Sounds like Deism to me.
- I am the god of un-heroic heroes.
- My brother is the god of ruining perfectly good grass.
- Confirmed.
- THWACK
- That would be a problem, given that my back is against a wall, and on the other side is a 16 foot drop onto the pavement.
- "Or will be sometime in the future."
- That's actually... a bit creepy. If this is confirmed, then at one point I will be right in front of a total stranger - or not. So if I know you, then it's confirmed. But since I don't know, it remains unsolved.
There is a guy named Major General Rudolph Kabangbang. What does he do? Why, he is the liaison of the Moro Islamic Liberation Front(MILF). let me repeat that: there is a guy named Rudolph Kabangbang who works for MILF. If that doesn't sound like the name of a porno star, I don't know what does.
- This actually explains why sex even exists; dividing asexually makes more sense, but if we're here just to stimulate our robot overlords (who I welcome), it would make sense.
- Dividing asexually means everyone has the same immune system, meaning a single disease could wipe everyone out, so sexual reproduction makes more sense. That's why it even exists.
- Also why would robot be stimulate by watching porn. Unless they are the result of a brian upload or something, I would like known what kind of mess up wierdo made these robots overload.
- No! No! That's not true! That's im-possible!!!!
- Search your feelings, you know it to be true......
- NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
- It's true! And Princess Leia is your sister!
- That's... improbable.
- And the Empire will be defeated by Ewoks!
- That's... highly unlikely...
- And as a kid, I built C-3PO!
- Luke Skywalker: ...wha?
- [time passes]
- And you know that all-powerful Force? That's really just microscopic bacteria called Midichlorians!
- * smoking a cigarette* Look, if you're not gonna take this seriously, I'm outta here!
- Are you sure you don't want me to get you a Wedding Present, Dad?
- This. Is. Unconceivable.
- You keep trying to use that word. I don't think it's spelled the way you think it's spelled.
- Goodness gracious me, no!
- ... fat, she don't sit on the couch. She sits around the couch.
- ... stupid, she sits on the TV and watches the couch.
- ... old that when you cut her, dust comes out.
- ... pretty, I am not worthy to see her.
- ... famous, there's a trope named after her.
- ... ignorant that she doesn't know what TV Tropes is.
- ... anorexic, she went to Jenny Craig and they said "Sorry, no professionals!"
- ... hot that I am dying to have sex with her.
- This is the reason why today Jews rule the world.
- Jews make up less than 0.001% of the world's population. Christianity rules the world now.
- And True Paradise will be filled with television tropes and idioms.
- What about the Scientologists?
- Have a philosophy. My problem with it goes like this: The entire 12 billion years of the Universe's existence has actually been in your head. Every piece of history, every great man or woman who has ever lived, every thought that has been thought and will be thought, is all being generated in your head. Every bit of life, every physical interaction, every rule of quantum physics (most of which we most likely don't even KNOW) - all in your head. And yet, you can't recall more than elementary, cursory pieces of this vast plethora of information. You might be giving yourself a bit too much credit.
- So playing Halo Reach will bring the world to ruin? O.O
- Hahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!
- Jossed, this troper wrote the above one.
- Maybe you are the only Troper that's not /b/. Or maybe I am the only troper that's not /b/.
- So, I have three separate Real Names, two of which share a last name? Weird.
- That's disturbing if you know where I got the idea for "Flaminghello" From.
- So in the afterlife I shall be known as the Super Saiyan 3 Gohan King of Soda? Cool.
- I guess I'll have to get used to being known as moefoxes because that will be my name when I go to hell. Yes, I know they said "afterlife" and not specifically hell, but I already know I've sinned, so I've learned to embrace it.
- What if you have multiple Online Aliases?
- Confirmed. Two words: Santa Clause.
- Isn't he an OC?
- Modern psychology pretty much Jossed this.
- He sounds kind of like a huge jerk to do that.
- White holes are the products of Black holes...
I have two related answers that satisfy this: 1. everytime there is a crosover, information will trade from one universe/multiverse to another. Sometimes a new world will be formed to connect Two worlds. For example: a world where transformers and marvel coexist joins both respective multiverses.
2. every possible interpretation earth, every earth prime, every alternate history of earth and every possible future of earth is connected to this Earth prime. This particular earth provides the basis for all the other histories, historic characters,genres, magics and technologies. Every other possible earth, in a way, is an interpretation of this every earth. And in a wat this earth acts as a standard model to every possible earth.
Whoa, I never thought Real Life is as awesome as that...
- Except in Christianity, where the doctrine of the Trinity josses that. If God is three, God cannot get lonely.
- Not necessarily. One third is characterized by being part of the universe as well as creator of it and so isn't necessarily there prior to genesis, while the last third is sufficiently obscure and absent in stories that he's probably not exactly what you'd call a terrific conversationalist.
- Although this is pretty much how the world was created according to Hinduism.
- NO ZAKU!!!
- The main threat from this will be preventing terrorists from sabotaging the effort with a vinegar bomb of some sort.
- Then Venus goes boom, Mercury falls into the Sun (because Venus' gravity is no longer there to pull it back), and Earth becomes the second closest planet — if we don't go flying into space, again, because of the lack of Venus' gravity.
- The wedding ring is a symbol of the enslavement of a sexual partner. The fad for wedding rings made in the likeness of The One Ring - complete with inscription - is therefore extremely appropriate. Evolutionary biologists probably love it.
- The wedding ring is a symbol of eternal love/commitment because a circle has no end. Also, a single specific ring to symbolize marriage in western society wasn't even a thing until the 16th century at least. Before then it was just "I'm going to marry you and give you a token if I have the money and it might be a ring but it might also be any other kind of jewelry." And only women wore wedding rings until the 20th century, so there's nothing traditional about both people wearing them.
- Or anternately there is nto glitch, it was donw on purpose so that deer hunting is more rewarding for effert put in to finding them and Squirrels are esay to find, but are not very rewarding.
- That's an interesting contrast with how pop-culture decades began after World War One, while before that it was arranged much more loosely.
- caught in a landslide
- no escape from reality
- open your eyes
- look up to the skies and see
- What is this, Reddit Sings?