To-do list:
- Black Sheep has been expanded to include group dynamics other than just families where the character's placement in the group is considered to be unique, strange or negative in some way, the trope is to be moved from Family Tropes to Token Index. In addition, the type of group this is for tight-knit groups where membership is a core part of a shared identity, (and, by extension, purpose or values) such as a tightly-knit religious community, or group that has banded together for a common cause, True Companions style), rather than more loosely organized groups such as school classes or corporations.
- The description needs to be updated to account for the changes to the definition.
- Since not all examples fit the expanded definition, cleanup is being tracked using the Black Sheep Wick Cleaning sandbox.
The wick check doesn't fully prove what I went in assuming: That most examples were going to follow the real-life definition. Instead, it's more or less used as "group oddball", but at least the real-life definition was more common than "evil kid" and "kid rejects family". Here's the run down, with the actual wick check in the sandbox linked:
- RL Definition: 5/50, or 10%
- Rejects Their Family: 2/50, or 4%
- Evil Kid, Good Family: 1/50, or 2%
- Group Oddball: 10/50, or 20%
- General Misuse: 6/50, or 12%
- ZCE: 23/50, or 46%
- Multiple Categories: 3/50, or 6%
It would be easy to just say "oh, change it to more properly fit the real-world term", but my first assumption is we can't really conform to a usage that isn't super popular. However, making it conform to the "group oddball" meaning would also be a bad idea because of the real-life term. What do?
Well, I propose we split off the "group oddball" trope if one doesn't already exist so that the misuse has somewhere to go, and then restrict Black Sheep to focus on the real-world definition. As for White Sheep... we'll have to tackle that another time once a wick check for it is produced.
Wick check:
In real life, the term Black Sheep refers to a family member who gets rejected by their family for their differences. In terms of the trope, it's much broader, to the point of contradicting the original meaning by having the kid reject the family, and allowing for the family to still embrace the kid. White Sheep also seems to be confused, as it seems to think this trope is about an evil member of a good family, which is never specified.50 wicks will be checked, examples will be sorted alphabetically and with hashtags instead of asterisks for easy counting.
Wicks: 50/50
Results:
- RL Definition: 5/50, or 10%
- Rejects Their Family: 2/50, or 4%
- Evil Kid, Good Family: 1/50, or 2%
- Group Oddball: 10/50, or 20%
- General Misuse: 6/50, or 12%
- ZCE: 23/50, or 46%
- Multiple Categories: 3/50, or 6%
- Characters.Chrestomanci: In disgrace from his family. Low-context, but eh.
- Characters.Titania Falls: While he isn't a complete outcast, he is easily the most disliked member of the Pines family and for a while has strained relationships with all of them sans Mabel (being Mabel) and Ford (since they don't know each other all that well).
- Film.Incendies: Nawal. When Jeanne reveals that she's the daughter of Nawal, her distant family members say that Nawal brought shame to their family and kick Jeanne out of their house.
- Series.Dopesick: One of Richard Sackler's possible motivations is that he's disliked and not taken seriously by the rest of the family, and creating a bestselling drug is his attempt to gain their respect. He manages to sway Kathe Sackler into siding with him by pointing out that, as a lesbian in a rich, conservative family, she's a bit of a black sheep, too, and that he respects her for being who she is.
- VisualNovel.Nekopara: Maple and Cinnamon: Cinnamon is a Lovable Sex Maniac who turns a lot of things into sexual innuendos and gets lost in her fantasies. Maple is a no-nonsense catgirl with a calm head. They even happen to be breeds of cat whose ears curl in opposite directions. At one point, Maple is called the pride of the family while Cinnamon is called a disgrace to the family.
- Literature.A Place Called Here: Sandy has been feeling like a fish out of water in her family since her childhood, because they don't understand her fascination/obsession with finding lost things. This made her leave her parents and birth town at 18, and as an adult she has a civil, though not really warm relationship with her parents.
- WebVideo.An Ordeal In Onsondu: As of episode 33, she is also a foil to Aren. Both left their aristocratic elven families, becoming the Black Sheep of their clan in the process. However, Ife's reasons for leaving were rooted in moral objections, as her family is genuinely awful. In comparison, Aren's family is pleasant and warm, and Aren's departure was more related to shame about his identity and powers.
- Film.Red Notice: Booth had issues with his policeman father, so he became a criminal. Hartley had issues with his criminal father, so he became a cop. Until The Reveal that he actually decided to become a better criminal. Tropeslashed with White Sheep; the Black Sheep part seems to be the "turned criminal" thing.
- Characters.Fight For The Lost: Baz is an oddity among krogan. He's restrained, honourable and sincerely believes in fair play, even in combat. Currently a bodyguard for human gun shop owner. Ex Blood Pack.
- Characters.Katmandu Other Tribes: According with the description given by Chief Pownetkee to Liska about Rakon's identity, the Red Canyon people are normally considered peaceful people, but Rakon is the exception on that rule. This is subverted like hell in the worst way possible, as they are also as bad as him, especially when they attacked the Highland tribe when their warriors were out to hunt.
- Characters.Robin Tim Drake: Didn't feature much in Batfamily stories during the New 52 era, being more closely tied to the Teen Titans. The one character he was closest to was Jason, whose series Red Hood and the Outlaws was written by the same writer.
- Characters.The Smeet Series: Unlike the rest of her race, Ilk doesn't discriminate because of one's height, she's pretty open-minded and overall she lacks the drive that leads the Irken race to subjugate 'inferior' species.
- DarthWiki.Speed Sounds: The only good guy who descends from the City's Founding Father.
- Film.Anvil The Story Of Anvil: When Lips' siblings are being interviewed, on-screen text shows they are all well-educated professionals. They note that Lips was never interested in following the conventional path and would have always pursued the arts, no matter what.
- Manga.Delicious In Dungeon: Klingon Scientists Get No Respect: Dwarves value blacksmithing and mining above all other professions; Senshi's seen as an oddball at best for eschewing those in favor of hunting, cooking and farming.
- Recap.Skins S 1 E 3 Jal: Jal, a female classical music player in a family full of male grime musicians.
- Series.For The People: Allison is the only lawyer in a family of scientists and mathematicians.
- TabletopGame.Invisible Sun: Apostates are vislae who refuse to align themselves with one of the four Orders of the Invisible Church; they can wield magic of any type and make their own discoveries, but lack the refinement or benefits that being a member of an organized Order grants. It can also make it hard for them to get along with dedicated members of an Order.
- Aliens in Cardiff: What We Do in the Shadows follows the misadventures of a group of ancient, murderous vampires living as flatmates in Wellington, New Zealand. The spin-off TV show focuses on a different group who live on Staten Island, which, while technically part of New York City, is considered the Black Sheep of the Five Boroughs and often viewed as an extension of suburban New Jersey.
- Anime.Pom Poko: Shoutout: To Ocean Waves of all things, especially considering its status as a Black Sheep in the Ghibli catalog: in a scene where the disguised Tanuki are doing a field test of their transformation, there's a poster for the film in the window of a convenience store, prominently displaying Rikako.
- Film.Shin Kamen Rider Prologue: The Black Sheep of Kamen Rider? Or just covered in dried blood?
- Manga.Kokkoku: Though the members of the Yukawa family are the main characters and normal people, it's later revealed Takafumi isn't entirely innocent. First, he summons Shouko's Herald family by testing how much bloodlust is needed for a Herald to show up (something which Sako calls him "sick" for). Then, he decides he wants to use the stone to cheat and steal so that his family can have a more prosperous life. ...I don't think this is the right trope.
- Music.Deep Purple: Good luck finding a radio station that will play anything other than Machine Head, In Rock, and Burn.
- Podcast.Four Player Podcast: Brad and Mike view this of Mass Effect 3. Nick might agree, but he's never voiced it.
- Characters.Darksiders Horsemen: Is described as this in the novel.
- Characters.Paragon 2016: Apparently, as her own uncle, Greystone, has imprisoned her multiple times. Isn't even confident.
- Characters.SSX: According to him, he was.
- Characters.Starjammers: His outlaw lifestyle downplays it, but he is loyal unto death to his sons, even Black Sheep Vulcan.
- Characters.The Emiya Clan: Considers himself to be one to the rest of the Clan.
- Characters.The Mindy Project: In his family, he's considered one. Though considering how awful his family is from his stories, it might be closer to a White Sheep.
- Characters.Xiaolin Showdown One Episode Characters: Slightly implied since she did join a biker gang and why Clay nor their father mentioned her before.
- ComicBook.Miracleman: Totally deconstructed. Like a real family, there is the Black Sheep and Dysfunction Junction, and plain weirdness.
- DarthWiki.On The Edge: Ragtag Bunch of Misfits: The CSC, comprised of Kate, Mollie, Reilly, Delilah, Vera Jane, Lanie, Haley, Violet, Ai and Rachel. There's also the friends they make at Henie, Vanessa, Oz, and Jinx.
- Film.Barefoot: Jay, compared to his more successful younger brother.
- LightNovel.Inukami: Keita; it's implied his failure at attracting an Inukami and subsequent Black Sheep status broke him.
- Literature.Children Of The Red King: Lyell Bone in the Yewbeam family; Bartholomew Bloor in the Bloor family.
- Literature.Janie: Janie or Jennie when she rejoins the Spring family in Whatever Happened to Janie.
- Literature.Varjack Paw: Varjak. Outside of Elder Paw, the rest of his family are either vain bullies or dismissive jerks that are obsessed with perfection. Partial context; doesn't tell us about if he's rejected them or got rejected or is just a good apple in a bad bunch.
- Literature.Weetzie Bat: Witch Baby, lampshaded by Weetzie.
- Monster.Sherlock Holmes: Jack Stapleton, real name Rodger Baskerville, wins the trust of the Baskervilles family while using an abused, trained hound to simulate the dark legend of the Hound of the Baskervilles.
- Music.Sonata Arctica: Not in the straight sense of the trope, just that they got a song called "Black Sheep". Though the point of the song is this trope, kind of.
- Recap.Lady Jane: Frederica breaks crucial rules of etiquette (particularly regarding interaction between men and women) like Marianne Dashwood, dares to show attraction to a man before he shows attraction to her like Catherine Moreland, is persecuted by a Wicked Stepmother-esque guardian like Fanny Price, is the Black Sheep of her family and criticized for her quietness and self-control like Elinor Dashwood and Anne Elliot, and is no dashing beauty (like her mother) who effortlessly charms men at first sight but is misjudged and dismissed as insignificant and undesirable in every way by her future husband until he learns the error of his first impressions like Elizabeth Bennet was, and most importantly, is determined to Marry for Love like any Jane Austen heroine. It only mentions the Black Sheep thing once and doesn't go into much detail beyond that she's criticized.
- Roleplay.The Gamers Alliance: Jeremiah and Omaroch had to suffer a lot in their respective families.
- Theatre.Icebound: Ben is described as this. He's been a drunkard and a hellraiser, and he's on the lam after getting drunk, getting in a fight, and torching the barn of the men he fought with.
- Webcomic.Xenospora: Strike is this in the eyes of her mother.
- YMMV.The Blue Bird: In The Betrothal, it's never specified why the Sick Man is so wicked. Nothing is said about his life beyond the fact that he was very sick, and his one fault in the actual play is picking Aimette for Tyltyl's future bride while the noble ancestors don't agree with him. Unlike the Rich Man, the Sick Man doesn't push Tyltyl for a Gold Digger marriage, and unlike the Drunkard and the Murderer, he doesn't attempt to grope Aimette himself. Nevertheless, he is treated as though he is as despicable as the other three Black Sheep ancestors.
- YMMV.The Troy Saga: Kassandra. Afflicted with her Cassandra Truth powers at the age of three that makes it so that not only is she aware of when she's going to die but also the rest of her family, friends, and entire kingdom. It's also implied her powers are gradually killing her. She's also very self-aware how her facilitating between ominous predictions, half-intelligible gibberish, and then seeming perfectly normal makes her considered a Creepy Child and a Black Sheep of her family. In what way?
- Characters.Kaiserreich China: Ma Zhongying was originally from the Ma Clique, but was expelled because he had extreme ambitions that led him to raid other Ma clique members. In addition, while the Ma Clique is already one of the more brutal warlord cliques in China, Ma Zhongying is considered one of the worst among them. I... am torn on this one, but I'll put it here because it's too broad for the other categories.
- Characters.Kill La Kill Elite Four: Was a disruptive delinquent from a well-to-do family. Eventually, his father got fed up with him, punched him out, and challenged him to do something with his life if he was so sick of being The Un Favourite. Thus, Sanageyama formed the Northern Kanto Bancho Alliance. Seems to be both about a bad kid in a good family, and rejection from both ends.
- Literature.Hercule Poirots Christmas: Harry abandoned all contact with his family years earlier and is considered a failure by pretty much everyone. Both forms of rejection here.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 13th 2022 at 3:44:44 AM
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EDIT: The proposal sounds good to me.
Edited by MacronNotes on Oct 18th 2022 at 2:43:08 PM
Macron's notes
the Retromancer
Limit to the family dynamic. Not sure if they just have to stand out or also have to be disliked or angsting because they don't fit in. Optionally rename to Black Sheep Kid. Move unfitting examples to Token Index tropes and yard anything new of note.
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Just stoic wisdom.
I'm fine with Jay's proposal.
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I always thought Black Sheep was broad because the Un Favorite already covered the "A family member is unfairly singled out" concept. Won't the proposal make them a Duplicate Trope?
Edited by BlackMage43 on Oct 18th 2022 at 10:26:42 AM
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Well, no. Black Sheep is more specific than that. Characters who are a Black Sheep aren't always necessarily the "unfavorite" but they are the ones who get blamed and treated as an outsider as part of the wider family dynamic. Think Bruno from Encanto. His family did still love him but shunned him out of fear.
I can see how there could be definition concerns, but IDK if the two tropes would be exactly the same.
Besides, there's still the issue of the misuse not even matching what the description says this trope is supposed to be... And the title describing a real life term that has nothing to do with the current trope...
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Another example of a Black Sheep that's not The Unfavorite is The Black Sheep Dog Series, where Sirius and his uncle Alphard are considered "black sheep" for not falling in line with the family tradition (to the point that they're burned out of the family tree), but in private, their parents actually prefer them (at least Alphard's do) over their dutiful siblings.
It's more of a status thing rather than actual relationship, I think.
Edited by Adept on Oct 19th 2022 at 1:04:13 AM
- the real life definition is much narrower and specifies they're the one of the family who gets targeted and singled out, usually unfairly, and often as part of a broader family dynamic.
Checking out the wikipedia page for "black sheep
", and they define it slightly differently, getting their definition from The American Heritage dictionary of idioms: "black sheep is an idiom that describes a member of a group who is different from the rest, especially a family member who does not fit in...The term has typically been given negative implications, implying waywardness."
- it's not necessarily family specific, though it is typically used in this context
- it's less about maltreatment as it is about being different from every one else /standing out from the herd and acting "deviantly".
That's likely where the "group's oddball" reading is coming in, which I actually don't think is incorrect given the above definition
Edited by amathieu13 on Oct 19th 2022 at 11:56:48 AM
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I suppose we could expand the definition to include the oddballs of groups in general, maybe with a rename, but that may not be necessary (maybe we could close without cleaning wicks if we expand without renaming).
Edited by GastonRabbit on Oct 19th 2022 at 8:57:34 AM
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Either expanding to fit or splitting is equally fine, me think.
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Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
I have literally never heard a non-family-based definition, my version comes from hearing psychologists and the like use the term in discussing family dynamics... but if that's a valid definition, I guess we can roll with it?
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Peeks from Under Rocks
Oxford languages: "a member of a family or group who is regarded as a disgrace to them."
MW: a disfavored or disreputable member of a group. “Black sheep.” Merriam-Webster.com Dictionary, Merriam-Webster, https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/black%20sheep. Accessed 19 Oct. 2022.
So, not just "Stands out from group", but also "Group disapproves of the stand-out"
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I wouldn't be surprised if psychologists appropriated the saying to describe a particular family dynamic, and the saying itself just has several related but different usages in more informal talk/every day writing as it's been around since at least the early 1900s/1910snote
Just to make sure this isn't a one off, here are some other definitions from other books on American idioms
- 1500 American Idioms, Slang and Phrases, black sheep - "A bad person in a group, usually in a family or organization of some kind. Shepherds could not get as much money for black wool as white wool, and the rarer black sheep also stood out to remind the shepherds of this. This evolved into a description of people as well, with an emphasis of them sticking out and being a reminder of that."
- (this one is actually published by the US Dept of State) In The Loop: a reference guide to American English idioms, black sheep - an outcast
- The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, black sheep - A person who is considered disreputable or disgraceful by their relatives or associates.
- NTC's American idioms dictionary : the most practical reference for the everyday expressions of contemporary American English, black sheep of the family (explicitly includes family in the phrase) - the worst member of the family
I think we can either:
- clean up the page definition to make it as broad as the phrase's usage or
- narrow the trope to be just about the family dynamic, understanding that the name is just the site using a common saying to name a trope. though in order to avoid future confusion we would probs have to specify the name to Black Sheep Of The Family, like the NTC definition
All of the Other Reindeer seems like it covers the more general "ostracized or picked on for being different from a group", so I actually think option 2 is the better one in this case
Edited by amathieu13 on Oct 19th 2022 at 9:14:29 AM
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
Mmm, it's option 2 or maybe just disambiging since the major concepts seem to be covered decently enough? But that's the defeatist choice here.
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The Unknown
If we're not conforming to the real world usage of the term then I would rather rename the trope.
Edited by Karxrida on Oct 21st 2022 at 12:20:10 PM
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Peeks from Under Rocks
I think that a strict "Family Dynamic" is a bit too narrow. I also feel that the definition in 'In the loop' x3 is too loose. (That publication seems to be working at an early gradeschool level, or basic ESL?)
The difference with All of the Other Reindeer is that OOTOR is more random bullying for a difference, often fueled by a mob mentality or envy. Black Sheep is a member of the group being disapproved of due to the effects that their behavior have on the group, whether Physical, Financial, or Social:
- Cousin Ernst is the Black Sheep because every time he goes on a bender and trashes a bar, the family gets stuck with the tab.
Whether or not a person has an actual neg impact on a group is irrelevant to being labeled a black sheep; what's important is the perception that whoever this person is/however they are behaving is negatively impacting/reflecting on the group. You can be labeled a black sheep for being gay, for example, if the group deems it as an unacceptable "deviant" behavior. Or you can be treated as the black sheep if your entire family went to Ivy League schools for college, but you went to a state school. In both cases, it's the deviance from what is considered acceptable or normal by the group that matters, which is All of the Other Reindeer in a nutshell
And the "deviance" aspect is the connecting tissue across the different definitions. "Bad" (American Idioms) or "the worst" (NTC) are judgements, so what's the judgement being based off of? Being considered "disreputable or disgraceful" (American Heritage II) with a strong implication of "waywardness" because of a perceived difference (American Heritage I). What's the outcome? You are treated as an "outcast" (American English Idioms).
Edited by amathieu13 on Oct 21st 2022 at 6:04:06 AM
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
So, what would that mean for a trope? If we try and aim for the real-life definition, how would we sum it up, and would any examples from my wick check fit?
Currently, the description is a vague mess, but it does restrict the meaning to be about family dynamics, while still adding in the nonsensical bit about the kid rejecting the family, which follows no definition. So however we choose to define the trope, the current definition isn't workable.
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the Retromancer
How it sounds like to me.
- Expand to any group dynamics where the character's placement in the group is considered to be unique, strange or negative in some way. Move Black Sheep from Family Tropes to Token Index. Split or yard Black Sheep Of The Family as a potential Sub-Trope or Definition-Only Pages. If downvoted, limit to family dynamics, split or yard Group Oddball, move misuse to Token Index tropes if possible.
- Regardless, rename.
- Redirect to All the Other Reindeer.
- Disambiguate between All of the Other Reindeer, The Un-Favourite and maybe Dysfunctional Family.
- If limited, require the character to express negativity regarding themselves being a part of the family, potentially through Angst or lashing out.
- If limited, require the character to be part of the family involuntarily or unwittingly (ex. from birth).
- If limited, require the character to not follow the family's standards and traditions, willingly or unwillingly.
- If limited, require the character to visually, thematically, or by naming not fit the family, without it being the family's requirement.
- If limited, require the character to technically be unable to leave the family.
- If expanded, require the character to express negativity regarding themselves being a part of the group, potentially through Angst or lashing out.
- If expanded, require the character to be part of the group involuntarily or unwittingly (ex. from birth).
- If expanded, require the character to not follow the group's standards and traditions, willingly or unwillingly.
- If expanded, require the character to visually, thematically, or by naming not fit the group, without it being the group's requirement.
- If expanded, require the character to technically be unable to leave the group.
- If limited, require the character to be disliked, disapproved or considered disgraceful by the rest of the group, but not getting that specific negativity from people outside that group.
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Edited by Amonimus on Oct 28th 2022 at 8:55:43 PM
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Sounds good on paper (he/him)
If those are proposals for two separate crowners, I thought I'd already said enough times that we choose a definition when deciding to redefine instead of after deciding that. Those options ought to be on a single crowner, with "if X, then Y" wording if some options require another to have consensus for them to be implemented at all.
Edit: Even if I misread and none of them require another to have consensus, I don't see why they can't be on one crowner, especially since renaming would bring a third into the mix if it has consensus, which would mean voting would take at least nine days if renaming has consensus, compared to six if we use one crowner for all of those things plus a second if renaming has consensus.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Oct 21st 2022 at 1:08:02 PM
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Alright, remade it with "if X then Y". Now to consider if any of these can be left out.
To explain myself why I didn't do it right away is 1. I honestly can't recall when it was said that the scope and tweaks to the scope have to be picked simultaneously and not afterwards, nor thought it'd matter due to large difference in effect. 2. I tend to avoid being repetetive and it'd be a huge crowner, and I was unsure what to leave out. I've considered using "Regardless," for all, but they do depend on the first two options. 3. Three extra days for the sake of clarity sounded like a reasonable cost, nor was there a hurry.
I apologize and I'll try to remember this.
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So, as I said before, family dynamics is already what the trope is about (Just in a very, very broad and nebulous way). In essence, option one changes almost nothing.
Edited by WarJay77 on Oct 21st 2022 at 2:45:47 PM
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the Retromancer
I've fused the two options with that in mind.
Crown Description:
Black Sheep is frequently misused. What should be done with it?
To-do list:
The wick check doesn't fully prove what I went in assuming: That most examples were going to follow the real-life definition. Instead, it's more or less used as "group oddball", but at least the real-life definition was more common than "evil kid" and "kid rejects family". Here's the run down, with the actual wick check in the sandbox linked:
It would be easy to just say "oh, change it to more properly fit the real-world term", but my first assumption is we can't really conform to a usage that isn't super popular. However, making it conform to the "group oddball" meaning would also be a bad idea because of the real-life term. What do?
Well, I propose we split off the "group oddball" trope if one doesn't already exist so that the misuse has somewhere to go, and then restrict Black Sheep to focus on the real-world definition. As for White Sheep... we'll have to tackle that another time once a wick check for it is produced.
Wick check:
In real life, the term Black Sheep refers to a family member who gets rejected by their family for their differences. In terms of the trope, it's much broader, to the point of contradicting the original meaning by having the kid reject the family, and allowing for the family to still embrace the kid. White Sheep also seems to be confused, as it seems to think this trope is about an evil member of a good family, which is never specified.50 wicks will be checked, examples will be sorted alphabetically and with hashtags instead of asterisks for easy counting.
Wicks: 50/50
Results:
Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 13th 2022 at 3:44:44 AM
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