Opening. People have had issues with the name for years and I never liked it but there wasn't any proof that it could be harming the trope until now. I am good with renaming and maybe using TLP to example farm but that's always a free action.
Edited by MacronNotes on Feb 28th 2022 at 11:57:12 AM
Macron's notesDefinitely rename.
Current Project: Incorruptible Pure PurenessAs for the rename... Supernatural Online Stalker, perhaps? It at least fits with the primary definition.
TRS Wick CleaningYeah I'd change the name. It seems like a case of a name looking for a trope, which wound up confusing people finding the trope itself.
"Grandmaster Combat, son!"I'm not sure what the trope is supposed to be about. One half of it describes Internet Stalking and the other Interspecies Romance / Stalker with a Crush And A Magic Tool. I can see the concept of "non-human tries to communicate with a human without showing themselves" worthy, but it needs some overhauls in TLP.
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup"non-human tries to communicate with a human without showing themselves" - that might be worthy of a trope if we don't have it already. Would be a supertrope or very close sister trope to Blind and the Beast.
I suspect a straight "Nonhuman Online Stalker with a Crush" definition would get Mailer Daemon cut for having nearly no examples (there are two in the correct primary folder).
Do we have a trope for the You've Got Mail-plot of carrying on a romance via letter/chatroom? I don't see it on the film's page, and the primary definition wouldn't need the supernatural aspect if we focused on the broader concept.
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.Love version of Pen Pals?
TroperWall / WikiMagic CleanupIsn't 72 wicks considered healthy for a trope?
Technically, but with a title like that? There's definitely a reason to suspect it's being stifled.
Also if most of the good wicks come from the same 10 works, that's really the same as only having 10 correct examples.
Edited by WarJay77 on Feb 28th 2022 at 3:11:55 PM
Current Project: Incorruptible Pure PurenessI wouldn't have a problem with disambiguating between the tropes Amonimus listed in this post and other tropes listed in this thread, but I won't complain if everyone else prefers renaming.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 28th 2022 at 2:21:55 PM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.and "John Barleycorn and Friends" (one of the first TRS threads I remember participating in) was brought in a while back because while the wicks weren't awful, they were still low, and the name was suspected of being a reason. That trope now has the less-confusing name Anthropomorphic Vice, so I think it's valid for a not-as-underperforming trope with an awful name to be brought in if that name is unnecessarily stifling the trope.
Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Feb 28th 2022 at 4:01:40 AM
TRS Queue | Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining | Troper WallI'd like to give renaming (and maybe expanding) a shot. Pen Pals with the supernatural sounds viable. Maybe the "online, catfishing threat" part can be a flavor of pen pal.
Rust Beard - 71 wicks in 14 years is unimpressive, and (extrapolating) about half of them are from the same three works.
Yeah, I'll change my vote to renaming instead of disambiguating. Supernatural Online Stalker doesn't sound bad, pending further suggestions.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.Does it have to be online or it would work the same with modern technology, like cursed letters?
TroperWall / WikiMagic CleanupI assume that the trope would cover that since the description says that Great Big Book of Everything and such could count.
Macron's notesI say anything capable of being a medium for correspondence. Letters, chat room messages, Tom Riddle's diary, a book used by a wizard to seal an evil dragon which the prisoner escapes by convincing the handler he's super nice...
I agree.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.Hooked a rename crowner so we can get this thread going again.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.Oh the rename option is unanimous. Great. I kind of gathered that the thread was unsure about renaming.
It feels like it started as a pun in search of a trope.
The Revolution Will Not Be TropeableCalling crowner in favor of renaming and expanding the definition to cover all forms of communication. Rename crowner will be hooked shortly.
EDIT: Remame crowner hooked but we need more name suggestions. Supernatural Online Stalker was the only name suggested so far and I don't think it fits anymore because we are going to broaden to trope to cover all forms of communication.
Edited by MacronNotes on Mar 6th 2022 at 6:39:57 AM
Macron's notesOn top of my head...
Supernatural Stalker, Cursed Correspondence, Inhuman Pen Pal, Haunted Message, Correspondence Spell, Corrupting Chat, Writing To The Dark, Demonic Recipient, Written Reply Curse
or variations thereof maybe.
TroperWall / WikiMagic CleanupI added all of those suggestions to the crowner
Macron's notes
Crown Description:
Consensus was to rename Mailer Daemon and expand the definition; the draft for the expanded definition is at Sandbox.Mailer Daemon Expansion. What should its new name be?
I see a trope with two different problems:
Trying to fix one issue will probably affect the other.
"Over the course of an episode, he'll woo the heroine, getting her absorbed in online chatting and games, and convincing her that this godsend of true love, who curiously refuses to send his picture, is her Love at First Sight... well, read. She'll trust him completely with all sorts of secrets, personal and dangerous. Her friends might try to urge her to be cautious, but she'll think "You're Just Jealous" and grow distant from them; this is usually a thought the Daemon plants and fosters to alienate her and make her easier to seduce and lure. He'll eventually persuade her to come meet him in the Haunted Castle or Mad Scientist Laboratory, only to reveal himself in his true form."
The latter blurb feels like something completely different. Like, of course if the monster is trapped somewhere or in something, he's going to try to woo a user to set him free. Sometimes, the wooing looks like catfishing. Related tropes: Artifact of Doom, Leaking Can of Evil, Artifact Domination, Soul Jar
Wick check of 54 wicks (overshot by 4). DO browse them to determine what we can do with this trope
Malchior: Is it dark, or is it simply misunderstood...like you? True — the spells I have taught you are very powerful. There are those who fear power, so they call it "dark". But for people like us...such distinctions do not exist.
Of the correct examples in the wick check, there are 10 works: