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Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#1: Jan 26th 2019 at 9:58:56 AM

White Stallion is a trope whose description seems to saying that this is when a white stallion is used to signify something important about the social status of its rider — usually leaders, someone who senior to everyone else in some way, or heroes/The Chosen One.

The trope quote sets up the trope as being about renown — a person has to be worthy to ride the white 'steed', where 'steed' is neutral as to whether or not the subject is a stallion (high-spirited horses don't have to be stallions; they don't even have to be male).

The Laconic says 'Only the leader gets to ride the white horse.' but there's no reference to heroism or 'worthiness' of any kind.

However, looking at the examples, I'm seeing signs of the trope being used to list any white horse regardless of whether or not it's a stallion, regardless of whether or not it's to showcase the rider as a leader or hero and sometimes if the white horse is symbolic, but of a different symbolism to the trope. Many are Zero-Context Examples making it impossible to know what the relevance of there being a white 'horse' is to the work or character riding it.

Redirects to the trope seem to include 'White Horse' and 'White Mare'.

At the moment, I'm seeing a disconnect between the trope description, trope examples and trope redirects. The examples are in line with the redirects, but I think the redirects do not reflect the trope description. However, if this supposed to the wider trope that the examples and redirects suggest, then the trope description needs a rewrite to the extent of complete redefinition.

So, here's my question, is there a wider trope here and the trope name is inappropriate (because the examples are much wider than the idea that a white stallion depicts a leader or hero)? Or, are we missing a White Horses Are Symbolic supertrope, of which White Stallion is a sub-trope — a specific symbol of using white horses to symbolise leadership or worthiness. At the moment it feels like White Stallion started off as the latter but is turning into the former.

I've done a wick check (165 wicks in total, so I've checked 50 wicks):

     Summary of Use 

56 examples in total, taken from 50 wicks:

  • Example of the trope: 11
    • Primarily heroism symbolism: 7
    • Primarily leadership symbolism: 2
    • Trope description: 2
    • Sex of horse known: 4 (Male)
    • Sex of horse unknown: 7
  • Zero-Context Example: 27
    • May have symbolism of some kind, but context unclear: 7

  • Sex of the White Horse:
    • Male: 15 (I've extrapolated 7 of the 15 as male based on the horse's name, excluding them, it's 8 — that means I can't tell how many stallions or geldings)
    • Female: 2
    • Unknown: 38 (If we add the 7 I've extrapolated as male, this becomes 45)

  • Misuse: 11

  • Sinkholing: 4

  • Potholing: 9

  • Pantheon: 1 (I didn't know what to do with this one)

    Wick Check 

All Girls Like Ponies:

Blue-Collar Warlock image quote (in the image, the man is riding a black motorcycle):

What a Drag:

  • Forty Guns: During the tornado, Jessica falls from her White Stallion. Her foot get caught in the stirrup and is dragged for a considerable distance along the ground. (Notably, Barbara Stanwyck did this stunt herself after her stunt double said it was too dangerous.)
    • Potholing, unsure if it's a sinkhole or not.

The Man Your Man Could Smell Like

  • White Stallion: When The Man Your Man Could Smell Like is "on a horse," it's one of these.
    • Seems to be symbolising something, but there's not enough context here for me to be certain.

Implausible Hair Color:

  • Truly White Fur, With Pink Skin: "White" horses are not truly white. They're a diluted grey called grey. Actual white fur requires a mutation that only occurs in th Camarillo White horse (a relatively new breed dating to 1921). The dominant white mutation is also rare, and unlike the aforementioned actual white mutation, it has the caveat of being homozygous lethal. Thus, white horses are muxh more common in fiction than in reality. Unicorns, pegasi, and magical horses extempt. White Stallion is a trope associated with this.
    • The problem is that the White Stallion isn't associated with pink-skin. As written, it's just associated with white-haired horses; The White Stallion trope page contains examples of grey horses who have white hair and black skin. The page image itself is one such horse. The point of White Stallion, as currently written, seems to be what it symbolises about the rider, not what colour skin the horse itself has, or whether the horse should be correctly called 'grey' or 'true white'. So, this appears to be sinkholing based on a misuse of the symbolism of the White Stallion trope.


Chronicles of the Kencyrath - Animals


Dota 2 Intelligence A To M

Ezalor, the Keeper of the Light


Evillious Chronicles Daughter Of Evil

Josephine


Fate/Grand Order: Lancers

Altria Pendragon (Lancer)

  • White Stallion: She rides a magnificent white horse, Dun Stallion, unlike her Alter counterpart who rides a black horse.
    • Zero-Context Example. It's clearly symbolism, but there's not enough context to tell if it's the correct symbolism for the trope.


Friendship Is Magic: Mane Family Members

Prince Shining Armour

  • White Stallion: He checks all the status symbols; leader, knight, and prince.
    • This is a very lazy example. Given that the trope is supposed to be how the white stallion defines the rider's role in the work, can a My Little Pony actually count? I suppose the pony itself would have to be playing the role the rider would normally play. Does this pony play that role? I can't tell from the example as written, but I'm recording it as misuse because I suspect the symbolism is more about Light Is Good and Knight In Shining Armour tropes.


Fuegue Illusion

Vaati


Go! Princess Pretty Cure

Cure Scarlet

  • Dark Is Evil: Her overall dress is black and red. Even the horse she owes is darker than Kanata's.
    • Potholing. There's no way to know if it's a pothole or sinkhole.

Prince Hope Grand Kanata


Granblue Fantasy Humans A To E

  • Thinks Like a Romance Novel: Ange wants to become a Prince Charming and goes out of her way to simulate what princes typically do when meeting a princess. In her Cross-Fate episode with Seruel, she even requests to ride his White Stallion just because she believes "princesses are destined to be greeted by her prince on a white horse". Seruel later deduces that Ange is a devotee of fairy tales, judging by the way she thinks.
    • This looks like an example of the mixed type (since Prince Charming tends to be leadership and heroism), but the entry doesn't define the sex of the horse being ridden.


Lord Marksman and Vanadis

Eleonora Viltaria


Merlin – Main Cast

Lady Morgana

Guinevere


Merlin – Others

Lancelot


Mulan

Captain Li Shang

  • Cool Horse: He has a White Stallion, but unlike Mulan's it doesn't have a name.
    • Potholing.
  • White Stallion: His mount of choice, being a commander and supposedly higher social status than his soldiers. This contrasts with Mulan's horse who is black as ink and doesn't actually belong to her.
    • Seems to be an example, and covers the leadership aspect of the trope, but also is indicating wider symbolism than just White Stallion? I'm recording this as 'Example of the leadership type'.


Shin Megami Tensei Fiend Race

The Four Riders of the Apocalypse


Super Hero Taisen Canon Riders

Hikaru Corday


Utawarerumono

Benawi


Sleeping Beauty

Snow White And The Seven Dwarfs

Beauty and the Beast (2017)

  • White Stallion: Belle and Maurice's horse Philippe is white this time instead of brown in the original film.
    • Zero-Context Example. It might be an attempt to evoke the trope in the remake when it was never present in the original, but it could be misuse or shoehorning.

First Knight

  • White Stallion: Guinevere, Lady of Leonesse and Queen of Camelot, is the only rider whose horse is white.
    • Zero-Context Example. If there's symbolism, the context isn't clear. For all we know, she could be riding a palfrey (which get stereotyped as 'white' but tend to have more in common with Proper Lady tropes than White Stallion.

Forty Guns

  • What a Drag: During the tornado, Jessica falls from her White Stallion. Her foot get caught in the stirrup and is dragged for a considerable distance along the ground. (Notably, Stanwyck did this stunt herself after her stunt double said it was too dangerous.)
    • Potholing. There's no way to know whether it's a pothole or a sinkhole.
  • White Stallion: Jessica rides a white stallion, and makes her first appearance in the movie upon it, leading the eponymous forty guns.

Book of Revelation

  • White Stallion: The rider on the white horse is the first Horsemen of the Apocalypse mentioned, but whether he is the leader or not is not said.

Loyal Enemies

Sword at Sunset

  • Cool Horse: The first part of the story is taken up with the difficulty of acquiring enough horses large enough to carry Artos's heavy cavalry, which are critical for the mobile force he intends to deploy, and he meets Bedwyr because he's the only person who can control a prize stud horse called the Black One. Artos's White Stallion Signus is the Black One's son, and he fights the greatest victory of his career in the White Horse Vale and is crowned on the White Horse itself. The Saxons, meanwhile, also fight under the banner of a white horse, and one of them tells Artos that their ancestors served in the Second Legion, whose badge was the winged horse Pegasus.
    • Potholing, but it does look like a legitimate example, mostly of the leadership kind but it possibly overlaps everything the trope is looking for, making it the stand out example of all 50 wicks I checked.

Tam Lin

  • White Stallion: Tam Lin claims that he was given this honor in the wild hunt because he was once a human knight.
    • Tam Lin is the page quote for White Stallion. The example is lazy and borderline ZCE because it's hard to tell whether heroism or leadership is the point (the page quote implies the connection is heroism).

The Dolphin Ring

  • Human Sacrifice: On the night Teitri the foal is born, Vadir Cedricson explains to Owain that Saxon kings used to sacrifice themselves for the sake of their people, and though the Saxons no longer sacrifice men, they do sacrifice the "king" of their horse herds, a White Stallion like Teitri. When Teitri later kills a man who tried to ride him, the Saxons interpret it as their still-powerful gods claiming a sacrifice in spite of the Christians' arrival.
    • This obviously symbolism, but I'm not sure it's actually the trope as written, since the White Stallion concerned is acting as a 'replacement' for the king instead of simply symbolising the king's role in the story as a leader and/or hero. It seems to be more about White Horse As Sacrifice

The Merlin Trilogy

The Rider of the White Horse

  • White Stallion: Fairfax's usual ride is White Surrey, named after the steed of King Richard III. A Bradford preacher dubs him the Rider of the White Horse after a horseman of the apocalypse in the Book of Revelation. Another knight on a white horse he resembles, Anne notes, is Don Quixote.
    • The white horse is clearly symbolic, but doesn't seem to be the trope.

Winter's Tale

The Corrs

Religion And Mythology


Pantheon / Naming Convention

Shining Armour


Doctor Who S28 E4 "The Girl in the Fireplace"

  • Horseback Heroism: How does the Doctor save the day in the end? Charging through a mirror on a White Stallion! (with the obligatory Rearing Horse afterwards).
    • Lazy entry, but seems to be the trope, taking the form of the heroism part of the trope. Sex of horse doesn't seem to be relevant.

Merlin S 04 E 01 The Darkest Hour Part I

The Gamer's Alliance

Frontier Circus

  • White Stallion: In "Lippizan", Ben sets out to acquire a Cool Horse for the circus's blind equestrian after he accidentally causes the death of her Lippizan stallion. He eventually acquires, breaks and trains a white stallion named King that is half-Lippizan, half-Arabian wild stallion. At the end of the episode, King single-handedly fights off a wolf pack.
    • Trope misuse. This seems to be more about the horse and the person trying to obtain him than the rider who is eventually supposed to own it.

McLeod's Daughters

Zorro

  • White Stallion: Zorro usually favors a black stallion, Tornado, the better to vanish into the night. However, during a time he's away from his usual base of Los Angeles, he rides a white stallion, Phantom, who proves to be just as speedy and as intelligent as Tornado.
    • Not enough context here to understand if the trope it in effect or whether there's symbolism of a different kind at work. Sex of horse is at least known.

Tropes S to Z

  • White Stallion: In "Escape From Unwish Island", Sanjay is revealed to usually have dreams where Timmy shows up on a white horse to rescue him.
    • The heroism part of White Stallion seems to be in effect, but the biological sex of the horse clearly isn't important.

A Knight's Devotion

Roza

Argai: The Prophecy

Hellish Horse (trope description) Contrast Unicorn (which are sacred) and White Stallion (which generally portray an image of heroism). No relation at all to Hellish Copter, nor to Undead Horse Trope.

  • '''This is from the trope description, but it behaves as if White Stallion is primarily a hero trope rather than a leadership trope (the White Stallion trope description implies it's the other way around).

Horseback Heroism

Lonely Doll Girl (trope description) Not always a child; in some cases she's an adult with a Kitsch Collection. Though if she is a child, she might have doll tea parties to make up for the fact that she has no real friends to invite. She might be in the Princess Phase because she's a Lonely Rich Kid or imagining that she and the dolls just have to wait until her hero on his White Stallion would come to rescue her or she has a Changeling Fantasy of how her parents are actually royalty.

  • This is from the trope description, but again associates the White Stallion primarily with heroic rather than leadership symbolism.'''

Rearing Horse

  • Game of Thrones: Likewise when Daenerys has her White Stallion killed as a blood sacrifice in an attempt to save her husband's life, the horse rears and whinnies in fright as she leads it into the tent where the sorceress waits.
    • Sinkholing; seems to be White Horse As Sacrifice symbolism.
  • Queen of Swords: The Queen's Big Damn Hero moments are often announced by her appearing on her rearing White Stallion Chico.
    • Potholing, but it seems to primarily look at the heroism rather leadership symbolism of White Stallion. Judging from the horse's name, it does appear to be an actual stallion.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Jan 26th 2019 at 6:28:18 PM

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
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