"Moments" cleanup and maintenance (Awesome, Funny, Heartwarming, Shocking, Tear Jerker)

Definitely cut the second one, and maybe the first.

Are the following examples from Shocking Moments long enough to warrant their own subpages? Fate/Grand Order

• Fuyuki: Lev Lainur, a member of Chaldea's staff whom you had met earlier, reveals himself to be a servant of the Big Bad, and promptly kills off Chaldea's director, Olga Marie Animusphere, in one of the cruelest fashions the Nasuverse has to offer, after the protagonist had just spent the entire Singularity getting to know her and seeing through her rough exterior.
• Septem: Lev reveals that his full name is Lev Lainur Flauros, then transforms into an Eldritch Abomination. Cue the game's first battle against a Demon God Pillar.
• London:
  • The Big Bad behind the Singluarity is non other than Zolgen Makiri, aka Zouken Matou. Who'd have thought he'd have an express role in the Big Bad's plot?
  • The Singularity then ends with a confrontation with the Greater-Scope Villain: King Solomon. He forces you to fight four Demon God Pillars at once, and then wipes out nearly all of your allies after the battle anyway and declares that compared to him, you are less consequential than piss.
• E Pluribus Unum: At the end, after you've returned to Chaldea HQ, Mash collapses suddenly. It turns out that she has a shortened lifespan and won't live to see past 18.
• Camelot: At the very end, Dr. Roman manages to figure out that Bedivere, whom you've fought alongside for most of the Singularity, isn't a Servant after all, but just a human. We then learn that this Bedivere never returned Excalibur to the Lady of the Lake, and had spent the past 1500 years trying to return it to its rightful owner.
• Babylonia:
  • Upon returning to Uruk after winning Quetzalcoatl over to their side, the protagonist is greeted by a tearful Siduri, who informs them that Gilgamesh is dead. One of the greatest heroes in human culture, and he's died of overwork. Fortunately, the protagonist is able to bring him Back from the Dead by taking a trip into The Underworld...
  • Toward the end, in the midst of their titanic struggle against Tiamat, the heroes force her into the Underworld...and who should meet them but Merlin, who was killed earlier in the Singularity. But that's not all — the old man whom you helped earlier in the Singularity reveals himself to be none other than the first Hassan-i-Sabbah. Without hesitation, he sacrifices his Grand vessel and attacks Tiamat, rendering her able to be killed.
• Solomon:
  • It turns out that Dr. Roman is the real King Solomon, having taken on a human form after winning the Fuyuki Holy Grail War a decade earlier. He then performs a Heroic Sacrifice to bring Goetia's master plan crashing down and render him vulnerable to the protagonist.

WWE

• Brock Lesnar:
  • Not only is he ungodly strong, but he made use of a couple of moves in WWE that guys his size have NO business using. Very early in his career,^note before he missed it at WrestleMania XIX and suffered a concussion as a result one of Lesnar's finishing moves was a SHOOTING STAR PRESS. This is him in developmental, circa 2001.
  • HE ENDED THE STREAK CLEANLY.
  • Lesnar's freakish physique and jaw-dropping accomplishments have led to him being referred to as some sort of bear-devouring manbeast. It's not without reason.
    Seanbaby: There aren't enough Coors Lights in The Mandalay Bay Events Center to drop a Brock Lesnar after it's made a fresh kill.
  • It's not uncommon on the internet to see Lesnar (whose shoot-fighter-esque gimmick, if it can be called that, is about as down-to-earth and grounded in realism as one could find in the world of pro wrestling) spoken of as less a human being or even an animal and more a force of nature.
  • After their abysmal match at WM XX over a decade before, the bar for his rematch with Goldberg at Survivor Series 2016 was already pretty low. However, it being a Squash Match was one thing, for Lesnar to be on the receiving end of such was quite the moment to say the least.
• The week before Survivor Series 2018, Becky Lynch led the SmackDown women's roster in a raid onto their Raw counterparts; in the ensuing brawl, Lynch took a punch to the face from Nia Jax that resulted in legitimate facial fractures and a concussion. Becky proceeded to completely No-Sell it and continued beating the living hell out of Ronda Rousey, all while blood poured from her nose, leading to the iconic image of Becky on the arena steps telling the Raw women's roster to Bring It. And in that moment, she became the most over wrestler (no, not most over woman. Most over wrestler) in WWE, and arguably the biggest since Daniel Bryan during the build-up to WrestleMania XXX.
• WrestleMania:
  • Of course, the end of The Undertaker's then-undefeated streak at WrestleMania XXX.
  • Between Roman Reigns challenging Brock Lesnar for the WWE title, and Sting wrestling his first WWE match, the last thing on people's minds at WrestleMania 31 was Seth Rollins cashing in his Money in the Bank briefcase and winning the WWE World Heavyweight Championship.
  • Most people were aware that Ronda Rousey was going to be attending WrestleMania 31. Nobody knew she was going to be involved in an angle.
  • Shane McMahon going up to the top of the Hell in a Cell against The Undertaker at WrestleMania 32. Several minutes of "What is he doing?" reactions from the fans watching him ascend the cage was one thing, but seeing Shane make the Sign of the Cross on himself before trying to an elbow drop on a downed Undertaker, who got out of the way stunned everybody.
• Royal Rumble:
  • 2008 saw nearly everyone peg Triple H as the winner, and with no other major stars expected to enter by #30, it was safe to say he'd do so. Expecting another midcarder or jobber to take the final spot, safe to say Madison Square Garden and the audience in general weren't expecting John Cena (who mind you was sidelined a couple of months ago due to an injury he was expected to fully recover from after WrestleMania at the very least) to come in, as if he was never injured in the first place.
  • The Men's Rumble in 2020 saw Brock Lesnar enter at #1, and as expected, he dominated from the start and was seen as at least making the Final Four. So to say the fans were shocked and elated at him being eliminated by Drew McIntyre midway through the match was an understatement.
  • And yet the above moment was overshadowed just a few minutes later, when after nearly a decade of retirement due to a Career-Ending Injury that many saw as permanent, Edge entered, looking like he never left the business and delivering spears left and right like in his prime. Yes, there had been rumors going on for weeks that he would be making a comeback, but even with that knowledge, the Houston crowd lost their shit.

Also, Shocking Moments needs more reverse crosswicks from work pages.

I don't know, the second one looks like it's about a group of friends who decide to stick together until the end. That sounds pretty heartwarming to me, even if, as it says, it's in a bittersweet way. The first one I'm not so sure about.

If we give Shocking the same standards as other Moments, then yes, that should be long enough to deserve its own page.

Edited by Zuxtron on Dec 30th 2020 at 6:02:04 AM

Digimon Tamers haves some issues.

• In the dub of episode 26, which, by the way, was named Kazu and Kenta's Excellent Adventure for added awesome, Jijimon and Babamon sound and act a LOT like Miracle Max and his wife from The Princess Bride. "There are references in the dub" is not exactly what I would consider "an awesome moment".
• Episode 29, Goliath Activate! Cue Curb-Stomp Battle. ZCE

Those are the two most obvious ones. Then there are too many cases where the "awesome moment" is just a character's name with multiple things they did as subbullets, with the first usually being a quote.

Could you clean these examples from YMMV.Fate Grand Order and place them in their rightful place on the new Shocking Moments subpage? (Spoiler tags have already been removed.)

• Shocking Moments: Camelot is typically agreed to be the part where the plot and stakes get put into hyperdrive and for good reason. The initial singularity was heavily altered thanks to a version of Altria who ended up never dying from her battle with Mordred and has ascended into godhood, leading to her trying to make an empire where only the Lawful Good live and everyone else gets slaughtered. We end up getting our first Grand Servant ally in the form of the First Hassan as the Grand Assassin who proves his worth by easily decapitating Ozymandias (he gets better) and curb stomping a fully powered Gawain. Mash finally learns that the servant inside her is Galahad of the round table, unlocks the true name of her noble phantasm and ascends into a 4 star servant. We also end up meeting Sherlock Holmes who ends up revealing some critical backstory details and indicates that the reason Solomon chose this time point to incinerate humanity is because something else was going to wipe it out soon anyways.
  • During the 4th anniversary event, there was the announcement of new Servants. Standard fare, right? But wait! The new Servants are all 1 and 2 stars? And there are SEVEN OF THEM? And one of the new Servants is JASON?!?
  • Judging from these comments from Reddit regarding Lostbelt 5, suffice it to say this chapter is HSQ incarnate, and it shows. To name a few: Nautilus was sunk minutes after you entered the Lostbelt (despite your team spending a big deal of time building it), Kirschtaria wipes your team's floor by literally himself, the presence of Grand Archer, The Reveal that Muramasa was summoned to guard the local Tree of Emptiness, and the worst of all, the hard-fought Atlantis is only the entrance of this Lostbelt.

I wanna put this entry from Funny.Hololive Game Streams here:

• Luna and Subaru once played the VR version of Emily Wants To Play together on a 3D livestream, with Luna screaming at practically everything and falling out of her chair during actual jump scares. Subaru was standing on the sidelines and teasing Luna the whole time. When Subaru plays the game for herself, Luna is still screaming at everything, ironically causing Subaru to also scream and fall over. The chat ended up joking about Luna's screaming, calling it an Area of Effect knockdown.

Because I'm pretty sure it gets nullified here:

• "Funny Aneurysm" Moment: During Luna and Subaru's VR horror stream where they take turns playing, the former gets so scared she falls back in her chair and hits the ground. It got a few laughs at the moment, but the fact that it resulted in pain so bad Luna needed to be taken to the hospital due to damaging ligaments and irritating previously existing neck pain, and getting put on pain medication that made her sick, it firmly falls into this. Emily Wants To Play is the title of the horror game Subaru and Luna played.

EDIT: Regarding this assesment, is the second example that should be cut referring to the one on Tearjerker, or the one on Heartwarming?

Okay.

Edited by SomeLibre on Jan 1st 2021 at 6:06:46 PM

"Funny Aneurysm" Moment and Funny Moments are both YMMV. That means one person may find the funny moment ruined by the harsh reality, but somebody else may not. Ergo, both entries are valid.

TearJerker.Game Grumps could use a cleanup, if anything's even worth salvaging. It's got many possible Real Life examples due to the nature of the series. At the very least there's a "Meta" section that I'm going to cut entirely.

Edited by mightymewtron on Jan 5th 2021 at 4:59:31 AM

I was looking at that too to see if the "Ryan brings back the Tie Dye" clip was there. So many of the examples are just real-life stories of sad things that happened.

Do fan-produced works have a place on Funny.The Mandalorian?

Nope, only the actual work counts.

So all the entries about stuff the creatives did behind the scenes or during promotional campaigns have to go too?

YMMV.The World Of David The Gnome has the following Tear Jerker entries:

• Tear Jerker: David and Lisa both die. And yes, they milk it for all its worth. Sleep well, children.
  • Poor Swift!!!
  • Tom Bosley, Jose Maria Cordero and Carlos Petrel, David's voice actors in English, European Spanish and Mexican Spanish dubs, have passed away. Makes the scene more tearjerking.
  • The fact that while David seems ready to pack it in, Lisa is very clearly not, outright suggesting at one point that she and David follow the example of that gnome couple in the Baltics who lived to be 550 and try for longer. David shoots down the idea and she acquiesces, never trying again.
  • The episode "Little Houses for Little People" has a scene where David treats a doe whose leg was broken; she broke it when she fell on sharp rock and a shard of it embedded inside the wound. The poor doe cries in agony and David also has a pained expression when he removes the shard.

Meta examples from SCP Foundation:

The text next to the top bullet should be moved to a subbullet and combined with the third subbullet (although I'd remove the "And yes, they milk it for all its worth. Sleep well, children" part since it's Word Cruft). The first two subbullets can stay, but the fourth can stay as it is.

Correct. Meta examples are not allowed on moments pages.

I feel tempted now to move the examples from Pedro Pascal's interviews and social media to his own Funny page, which would also contain the examples I (among others) added to the Behind the Scenes and Out of Canon folders of Funny.Game Of Thrones. If* I gave into the temptation, would an actual GoT fan want to help me create pages for that show's other actors?

*The list of actors who already have their own Funny pages looks arbitrary.

Edited by dsneybuf on Jan 11th 2021 at 8:24:10 AM

I think behind-the-scenes commentary by the creators about the work is fine to have on moments pages. Especially stuff like DVD commentary, which is officially published with the work and thus considered Para Text.

Stuff like "Finn Jones and Oona Chaplin try their darndest to eat a whole, raw onion in less than 42 seconds" should go or be moved to creator Funny pages, though.

I'm pretty sure that the first clause for this example from Awesome.Little Big Planet runs afoul of Examples Are Not General and the definition of Moment of Awesome.

• Pretty much every boss fight in the second game is this, ESPECIALLY Huge Peril for Huge Spaceship. It helps that the music that plays during the level (and the first boss) is an instrumental version of "Whoever Brings the Night" by Nightwish.

Funny.Kirby Star Allies has a very long bullet:

• In the title screen and main menu, characters occasionally pop up to play some skits. Some of them are particularly funny. Highlights include:
  • Coo or Birdon flying in. Chef Kawasaki then shows up and chases them to cook them. Sometimes, at one scene it's Birdon noticing three Kawasakis wishing to cook him at once.
  • Characters randomly tripping while NESP is laughing at their misfortune. One must wonder if he is the one who made them trip.
    • Especially funny when Meta Knight or Dark Meta Knight "trips"... or rather, hops up to not trip.
    • There's also the chance that four allies can be seen tripping sequentially. Doubly funny if it involves Meta Knight and/or Dark Meta Knight.
  • Kirby and friends running away from Marx who's rolling on a ball after them. One of them trips, but fortunately jumps up just in time as Marx continues the chase.
    • A similar scene involves Kirby strolling in and doing a stretch before two characters go running past him. When he sees that they're running from Susie in her mech suit, he starts running as well.
  • Dark Meta Knight trying to pose himself as Meta Knight to two Blade Knights...who weren't outsmarted and look at each other as if telling to each other "Is he really trying to make us believe he's Meta Knight?". And then Meta Knight shows up, Dark Meta Knight reacts with Oh, Crap!, and then Meta Knight and Blade Knights chase him.
  • A character showing up and doing their idle animation... followed immediately by Dedede coming from behind and sneezing, startling them. Double funny if it's Dark Meta Knight who gets startled. Susie's reaction is pretty funny, too—instead of looking surprised, she looks pissed off.
    • Gooey's reaction is also funny as his expression doesn't change since he always looks surprised and/or baffled.
  • Adeleine chasing three Gooeys in Mock Matter form while flailing with her paintbrush. Guess she had enough Dark Matter for her life.
  • Adeleine and Ribbon hiding from either Dark Meta Knight, or Marx, or Gooey in his Mock Matter form before they disappear. The pair then celebrates.
  • Kirby coming in, standing for a while, and then Daroach arrives with the Squeak Squad. Storo hops and stomps on Kirby, flattening him, just like in the intro for Kirby: Squeak Squad.
  • Daroach being chased by Nago. No, seriously. Nago actually chases him. That cat really wants to catch that mouse.
    • Alternatively, it can be Wester riding on Rick who chases Daroach.
  • A character showing up, followed by Dark Meta Knight popping up and chasing them. Dark Meta Knight is then seen flying away as four different-colored versions of the same character show up in the scene, like what happens to Kirby in Kirby & the Amazing Mirror.
  • Taranza yawning to himself and looking rather tired, only to get swept over by three Broom Hatters. When he gets up, he looks pretty annoyed as he tightens his scarf.
  • Adeleine and Ribbon meeting up with Susie as they start to have a nice chat. Taranza shortly notices the girls, looks away and straightens himself up to join in on their conversation. When Taranza turns back, he is surprised to see that the three have run off and chases after them.
  • Meta Knight walking in before Susie walks in as well. Later, Meta Knight notices her and gets startled as Susie waves to him, and then he runs away from her while Susie chases him. Seems like Susie turning him into a cyborg gave the normally stoic knight some unpleasant memories.
    • Better yet, Dark Meta Knight arrives mid-chase. Susie stops her chase and starts getting ideas about turning him into a cyborg too, chasing him off-screen instead.
  • Daroach flying off in the Lor Starcutter, with a distressed Magolor chasing after him.
  • Susie inspecting two 'mechanical' allies, Plugg and Gim... and then abruptly pulling a laser pistol on Bonkers, who she chases offscreen.
  • Francisca and Flamberge settling down to hang out, only for Francisca to abruptly jump up and leave at the sight of a Burnin' Leo and Blade Knight with a Sizzle Sword approaching. Flamberge shakes her fists and pulls out her sword, angrily chasing them away.
  • Kirby walking in, ready to take a nap, only to see King Dedede being chased by Taranza. Kirby attempts to give chase, returning from the other side of the screen to show Kirby still running after Taranza, who is flying away and carrying an unconscious Dedede, a la Kirby: Triple Deluxe.
  • Dark Meta Knight walking and checking his wings before stretching. Birdon then shows up while he's doing so and mimics the sequence— without Dark Meta Knight noticing.
  • Magolor making King Dedede and two other characters almost fall asleep. Even funnier if one of them is Rick, as he winds up nodding off for longer than the others. When he wakes up, he's surprised to see that everyone else has already left and runs off to join them.
  • Kirby and Dedede chasing after a Bonkers and Waddle Dee. Immediately afterwards Kirby walks back onto the screen with his belly full, followed by Bonkers and Waddle Dee but Dedede is nowhere to be found, implying Kirby ate him off screen.

Can Funny.Pedro Pascal be cut? It seems to exclusively list moments from him in real life, such as interviews and social media.

Real Life examples are allowed for Funny pages.

But I don't think Creator subpages allow Funny, do they?

I've been periodically doing a half-hearted clean of TearJerker.RWBY, but after the experience the Nightmare Fuel clean-up thread had with the NightmareFuel.RWBY page (it ended up as a locked page), I haven't really had the energy to look at the other sub-pages beyond TJ.

I've finally done so, and it's what I expected: full-page clean-up required, rather than just one or two examples. The pages are basically used like they're a type of recap pages, which means there's almost no audience reaction on these pages — it's all about describing the scenes, rather than troping why a scene lingers with the audience after they've stopped watching it. As a result, almost every part of every episode is on these pages.

RWBY moments pages: Awesome.RWBY, AwesomeMusic.RWBY, Funny.RWBY, Heartwarming.RWBY, TearJerker.RWBY.

My first two questions are this:

• Given that an Awesome Music page exists, any music entries on Awesome can just be moved to the AM page (or deleted if already on the AM page), right?
• Are meta examples allowed on Moments pages? There are Meta sections on almost all the Moments pages, some of which head well into troping Real Life territory. Is this allowed?

I'm worried that if I start cleaning these pages, so much will need to be removed that it'll look like I'm blanking the pages. I'm thinking these pages may need to be approached from a sandboxing perspective: sandbox the page, add the acceptable examples, and then swap the pages in when that page has been finished, with a link to this thread.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Jan 21st 2021 at 8:24:06 PM

Meta examples are allowed on other moments pages, since Nightmare Fuel and Tear Jerker don’t explicitly allow those examples.

We can also move those music entries into the Awesome Music ones as well.

Edited by gjjones on Jan 21st 2021 at 3:18:26 PM

Okay, so the Meta folders can be cleaned up the same way as the rest of the page then.

Yes. I was thinking that if we just move all the music that's on the Awesome.RWBY page into AwesomeMusic.RWBY to begin with, we'll have everything together in one spot, and then we can figure out whether it should be on the page, rewritten to keep on the page, or deleted because it's not even trying to meet the requirements of a Moments page (which will be a lot of entries, I fear).

Edited by Wyldchyld on Jan 21st 2021 at 8:29:11 PM