Blapper of Water
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Amour Mitts, jamespolk, Water Blap, Lymantria - Hollering y'all 'cause y'all participated in my other posts / threads on this topic...
So... I've stuck all the 0-wicked redirects into their own folder. 'Cause they're the easiest to manage since we don't have to worry about fixing wicks.
Anyone feel like picking one to start with? Or shall we just start from the top, with a Yea, Nea on for:
- Firebreather: Disambig to Comic Book/ and Breath Weapon?? Or do we have a general trope for Firebreathing?
Blapper of Water
I think the easiest thing to do with the 0-wicked pages is to cut them outright unless it's particularly witty. My issue with Firebreather being disambiguated for the work and Breath Weapon is that it's unnecessarily specific whereas someone looking for Breath Weapon wouldn't necessarily be looking for fire-as-a-Breath Weapon. Plus "Firebreather" isn't particularly witty for a name.
I think these are two important criteria to have because when suggesting a rename, redirects are practically a free switch, IIRC.
TL;DR version: I'm downvoting a disambig page for Firebreather because (1) it isn't another way of referencing the trope and (2) it doesn't sound particularly witty or funny.
EDIT:
Also,it would be useful to know the redirect's inbounds relative to the target's inbounds. So, for Firestarter, the redirect has 239 inbounds and 0 wicks but the target has over 2,000 inbounds and 27 wicks. That's, what, about 10 percent of the target's inbounds? It's worse for comparing it to Breath Weapon, which has about 3,000 inbounds and over 2,000 wicks (about 6 percent of BW's inbounds).
My point is that it seems one could make a decently strong argument that either (a) the redirect is not used for traffic to get to the work page or (b) the redirect is useless for either and so would be useless for both.
I suppose that could be a third criterion, idk. But the other two criteria collectively outweigh the third, so my position isn't changed for Firebreather.
edited 28th Jan '18 5:06:05 AM by WaterBlap
Look at all that shiny stuff ain't they pretty
- Makes sense. I sent Firebreather to the cutlist.
How about this? The inbounds are in brackets:
- The Forever War (461): Disambig into Literature/ (2,518) and Forever War (7,553)?
World's Toughest Milkman
In a case like that, I think the closeness of all the names would outweigh any concerns about number of inbounds.
Blapper of Water
Agreed. To continue to use the criteria I suggested/used above, that would be another way of referencing the trope (it's the same name but with an article in front of it) and it is equally witty or funny. Two out of three ain't bad. I think it could be made a disambig.
Look at all that shiny stuff ain't they pretty
NaNo 4328 / 50,000
I believe the proposed metric is "does the name function well as a redirect for more than one page" or "are two pages nearly identical in name", either of which is sufficient reason to disambiguate manually.
With that in mind, I believe The Forever War, Flyover Country, and Ghost World are all good candidates for manual disambiguations.
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
- Yep, I caught that, so I manually sent out P Ms. Thanks for giving me a reason to say that. :)
Disambiguated all three. ... Do we have a "City Inhabited by Ghosts / Undead" trope?
How do y'all feel about these two?:
- Ghoul School (5): Disambig into Main.All Ghouls School (2,478), ComicBook.All Ghouls School (223), and the Video Game/ (153)?
- Green Eggs And Ham (615): Disambig into Literature/ (959) and Palette-Swapped Alien Food (256), to match Green Eggs (8)? Or turn Green Eggs into the disambig and cut Green Eggs And Ham?
And.
Gonna do the following if there's no objections in a day or so:
- Gritty Reboots (178): Disambig into Web Video/ (295) and Darker and Edgier (86,326) to match Gritty Reboot (16)?
- Inhuman: Disambig between Webcomic/, Comic Book/Inhumans, and Inhuman Human?
- Iron Chef: Disambig into Series/ and Chef of Iron.
- The Jerk: Disambig into Film/, Jerkass and The Jerk Index?
- Labyrinths: Disambig into Labyrinth, The Maze, and Webcomic/?
edited 29th Jan '18 12:34:33 PM by Malady
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Blapper of Water
- Ghoul School: Agreed. It's practically the same name.
- Green Eggs And Ham: Agreed for the fomer suggestion. Disamgibuate GEAH for Literature/GEAH and Palette-Swapped Alien Food.
- I'd add to the suggestion, though: Namely, to cut Green Eggs. With 0 wicks and 8 inbounds, it's a useless redirect.
- Gritty Reboots: Agreed.
- Inhuman: Agreed.
- Iron Chef: Agreed.
- The Jerk: Agreed.
- Labyrinths: Disagree. It has 3 inbounds and 0 wicks and so is useless. There's already Labyrinth to use as a disambig page, so put it all on there, I should think. And cutlist the plural Main/ page.
Well, the above are done, except for Green Eggs And Ham, which I feel is somewhat pointless as a disambig if we we don't have Green Eggs to make the connection with...
So, here's the 0-ed 'H'-s:
- Hearts (2): Disambig to Tabletop Game/ (100), Heart Symbol (260), or, for the latter, instead transplant the "Related Tropes" index on Heart Symbol to there?
- Higher Ground (93): Disambig to I Have The High Ground (23,487) and Series/ (855)?
- Hijinks Ensue (142): Disambig into Hilarity Ensues (22,640) as well as the Webcomic/ (260)?
- Hostage (74): Disambig into Film/ (868) and the I Have Your Index, which holds all the hostage tropes? (82).
- Hyperdrive (142): Disambig to Series/ (430) and the Faster-Than-Light Index (265)?
edited 1st Feb '18 6:16:22 PM by Malady
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NaNo 4328 / 50,000
Green (eggs and ham) is a reasonable search term for Palette-Swapped Alien Food.
Gritty Reboots I object to, on the basis that we don't create redirects for plural terms.
Hearts — Same objection. We should make the disambiguation page at Heart, and list the following:
- Cardiovascular Love
- Literature.Heart
- Music.Heart
- Heart Beat-Down
- TabletopGame.Hearts
- Hearts Are Health
- Say It with Hearts
- Wicked Heart Symbol
Labyrinths — I added the webcomic to the singular main page disambiguation.
Link to TRS threads in project mode here.
Blapper of Water
I also object to Hearts but add that the low inbound count makes it a useless redirect anyway. Heart could be really useful, with all those pages to disambiguate.
For Gritty Reboots, the inbounds outweigh those on Gritty Reboot. The latter seems to be useless as a redirect given the low inbounds...
edited 2nd Feb '18 5:10:25 AM by WaterBlap
Look at all that shiny stuff ain't they pretty
- Cutting Hearts in a day, if no one disagrees. If you guys wanna make Heart a disambig, you could request on the Locked Pages Thread
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- Main.Green Eggs And Ham has been cut, so if you wanna argue for it, here's the code I used. The argument over it in the Locked Pages Thread starts from here.
[=''Green Eggs and Ham'' may refer to:=]\\
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[=* The [[Literature/GreenEggsAndHam book]].=]\\
[=* The trope known as PaletteSwappedAlienFood, for alien food that looks like Earth food, except it's weirdly colored.=]\\
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If a direct wick has led you here, please correct the link so that it points to the corresponding article.=]\\
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I'll set my standard waiting period for dissenting views to three days? How many of you Watch / check this thread?
Or how often do y'all log on? Dunno if my waiting period is too long... Then again, I take silence as "agree with the majority / last opinion"...
edited 3rd Feb '18 1:32:00 PM by Malady
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World's Toughest Milkman
I think there's basically zero chance anyone would search for that term unless they're looking for the extremely popular kids book. I don't think a disambig makes any sense at all—the autodisambig should be more than sufficient.
(And BTW, the book is not about alien food. They're simply presented as "normal" green eggs, for no particular reason except Rule of Funny.)
edited 3rd Feb '18 1:15:53 PM by Xtifr
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NaNo 4328 / 50,000
Green Eggs And Ham: TRS link Apparently Green Eggs was the original name. Green Eggs and Ham was re-added in 2015.
Heart: Posted in Locked Pages.
- Plurals: Regular plurals can be linked by surrounding the singular term with curly braces and adding the "s": {{Game Breaker}}s, for example, becomes Game Breakers. (Which should come naturally to Wikipedia Syntaxers.) Irregular pluralization can sometimes be worked around, "{{Compan|y}}ies" for example. Exceptions can be made for when it can't ("Men" for "Man") or plurals within the name (Bosses in Mook Clothing for Boss in Mook Clothing).
Blapper of Water
That doesn't really say anything about cases where the plural has a significant number of inbounds already and the singular has none. Not sure if anybody anticipated that possibility...
edited 3rd Feb '18 3:06:00 PM by WaterBlap
Look at all that shiny stuff ain't they pretty
- Additionally, the article's talking about Redirects, not Disambigs.
- Also, maybe instead of cutting, Main.Hearts into a redirect to Main.Heart?
In any case, Hearts is the only one not changed, so, the next are more vague than normal:
- I Feel Sick (63): Disambig into Comic Book/ and whatever trope is "I think I'm gonna be sick", then throws up. Lambshaded Vomiting or something, and Playing Sick?
- Kamui: Disambig into Video Game/, Kamui Uniforms of Anime.Kill La Kill and Kamui Gakupo of Music.VOCALOID?
- Karoshi: Video Game/, but as it's an idea, should it also be a Useful Note/ or something?
edited 3rd Feb '18 4:40:14 PM by Malady
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RE The full monty as slang, AFAIK "going the full monty" means something more like "putting in 110%". Maybe adding Up To Eleven to disambig would work?
OH MY GOD; MY PARENTS ARE GARDENIIIIINNNNGGGGG!!!!!
- Well, I didn't know that, but doing... Check it in the Locked Pages thread.
So, if no one objects, in a day or so, Main.Hearts is gonna redirect to Main.Heart.
edited 3rd Feb '18 7:07:38 PM by Malady
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- Totally fine. It's more crazysamaritan's thing? Although, I did make it into a trope index.
I guess The Heart does fit. Even though its sorta like a Search-Generated Index, it makes sense that it should be like that, given how people use Heart-based symbology.
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Blapper of Water
Are disambig supposed to work like indexes? I always thought they were more behind-the-curtain so to speak.
Look at all that shiny stuff ain't they pretty
- Well, this is sorta a unique case, given how many Heart things we have, and no extant index that holds the tropes?
We could make Heart Tropes or something, to take the index, or I reinstate the index in Heart Symbol, but it seems to make the most sense in Main.Heart?
Hmm... Maybe we should make Heart Tropes... It would match what I planned for with Main.Abuse, disambig-ing into Video Game/ and the extant Abuse Tropes index, and the other disambigs that point to indexes...
edited 3rd Feb '18 8:57:27 PM by Malady
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Also serving as my thread to list all current redirect and disambig issues.
List of Main redirects that I think should be turned into disambigs:
Discuss if you agree / disagree...
Moving from Ask The Tropers
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Bear: Target Bears Are Bad News too, among anything else?
BLAM: Currently Big-Lipped Alligator Moment. Disambig between that and Hit Flash?
Cop Out: Disambig to Writer Cop Out, Film/, and other kinds of copout? Another name for Le Samouraï too.
Electric Boogaloo: Disambig into Breakin' 2: Electric Boogaloo and Oddly Named Sequel 2: Electric Boogaloo? Maybe change Oddly Named Sequel 2: Electric Boogaloo into just Oddly Named Sequel??
Franchise: Literature, Franchise Index...
Golems: Disambig to both Video Game/ and Golem?
Gungnir: Currently a Video Game, which is itself saying:
High Noon: Disambig to Film/ and Showdown at High Noon?
Horde: Disambig to The Horde, and Literature.Razorland Trilogy's? Film/ and The Krampus.
Magic Sword: Currently going to a Video Game/. Change to going to Spell Blade and Cool Sword too?
Meddling Kids: Split between Tabletop Game/ and You Meddling Kids?
Monster World (61): Disambig into VideoGame.Wonder Boy In Monster World (526), VideoGame.Monster World IV (613) and Home of Monsters (301)?
The Mouth Of Madness: Instead of redirecting to Through the Eyes of Madness, disambig between that and Film.In The Mouth Of Madness?
Murder Mysteries: Currently a Literature. Was used by Literature.Discworld as a redirect to Murder Mystery.
Mystery: Mystery Tropes, Mystery Fiction, Literature/ and Masterpiece's sister series?
Mystery Movie: Disambig into Series.The NBC Mystery Movie and Mystery Fiction?
Night Nurse: Main and Film/ disambig?
Noahs Ark: Disambig to Noah's Story Arc, the Video Game/, Series.Noahs Arc, and a page on the story itself?
One Hundred Yard Stare: Main redirect to Web Video/ and Thousand-Yard Stare?
Out Of Hell: Disambig into Video Game/ and Escaped from Hell?
Peep Show: Disambig into Series/ and whatever trope fits the concept? The Peeping Tom? Outdoor Bath Peeping? Disambig into multiple tropes?
Personifications: Disambig into Roleplay/ and Anthropomorphic Personification?
Pirate Radio: Disambig into Film.The Boat That Rocked, and into Buccaneer Broadcaster?
Pixies: Disambig into Music.The Pixies, and Our Pixies Are Different?
The Power of Imagination: Currently Clap Your Hands If You Believe, but also go with Imagination-Based Superpower?
Pride Comes Before The Fall: Disambig into Pride Before a Fall and Fanfic/?
Rage Against The Machine (82): Disambig with Music/ (1,741), Enmity with an Object (248), Man Versus Machine (1,743), Rage Within the Machine (222), Rebel Tropes (5,181)?
Rebirth: Disambig to Rebirth and Reincarnation Tropes and Manhwa/ and Re:BIRTH –The Lunatic Taker–.
Rolling Stones (45): Disambig into The Rolling Stones (3,977) and Indy Escape (2,602) / (Rolling Boulder (11))?
Roll to Dodge: Disambig into Roleplay/ and Unnecessary Combat Roll?
Roswell: Disamig into Series/ and Roswell That Ends Well?
Soon I Will Be Invincible: Is this not a line that references a trope? Disambig into Lit and that trope. Tempting Fate?
Thanksgiving / Thanksgiving Day: Disambig into Thanksgiving Episode, and UsefulNotes/ThanksgivingDay.
The Four Seasons: Disambig into Music.Frankie Valli And The Four Seasons and Seasonal Baggage?
The Thing: Bit weak: Disambig into The Thing of the Fantastic Four, Franchise/ about an alien shapeshifter hunting the personnel of an arctic base, The Thing That Goes Doink, You Know What You Did, and Buffy Speak?
Unhappily Ever After: Disambig into Series/, and whatever trope feels right? It sounds too good a name to not fit some trope.
When in Rome: Film/ and Going Native?
Witch Hunter (144): Disamig into Manhwa/, The Witch Hunter (3,837), and Anime.Witch Hunter Robin...? Among anything else?
World Domination: Fanfic/ and Take Over the World.
And Now For Something Completely Different: Something Completely Different, and the Trope Namer film, Film/, and Formula-Breaking Episode?
Antichrist: Also the name of works.
Berserker: Currently going to The Berserker. Disambig between that and Literature/.
Big Damn Hero: Currently going to Big Damn Heroes. Disambig into that and Fanfic.Kyon Big Damn Hero?
Destructible Armor: Disambig between Broken Armor Boss Battle, Body Armor as Hit Points, and Shielded Core Boss?
Evil Is Stylish: Was renamed into Complexity Addiction, but I think it should disambig into Villainous Fashion Sense or Man of Wealth and Taste, just because the title feels that confusing?
Glasgow Kiss: Disambig to Use Your Head and Series/?
Gunslinger: Film exists.
Identity Crisis: Disambig into Trope for the condition, and Comic Book/?
Magic:
* FunctionalMagic, magic being deliberate used to achieve things.
* MagicAndPowers.
* The film, ''Film/{{Magic}}''.
* {{Mana}}, a fuel for magic.
* {{Magicka}}.
* {{Magick}}.
If a direct wick has led you here, please correct the link so that it points to the corresponding article.
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Red Shirts: Disambig into Main.Redshirt and Literature.Red Shirts?
Status Quo: Disambig into Status Quo Is God and Music/?
Street Fighter: Franchise, and whatever trope we have for street fights
Soldier Of Fortune: Disambig into Private Military Contractors and Video Game/?
Spoiler Warning: Disambig with actual spoiler warning trope statement as well, for like, when fanfics are post-canon or something?
Team Rocket: Anime/Pokemon and its current target.
True Love: Disambig between Literature/ and One True Love?
Whodunnit: Disambig between Mystery Fiction, Series, and Pinball.
Young Adult: Currently a Young Adult Literature redirect. Film and Literature exist.
Edited by Malady on Jun 22nd 2022 at 8:26:57 AM
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