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Also serving as my thread to list all current redirect and disambig issues.
List of Main redirects that I think should be turned into disambigs:
Discuss if you agree / disagree...
Moving from Ask The Tropers...
Bizarre Foods... Going to a work, but likely makes sense for many tropes, like Bizarre Taste in Food, Fantastic Fruits and Vegetables, etc?
God Of Death is currently going to Fanfic.God Of Death, but that page is saying those who go there could possibly be looking for Psychopomp... Should we disambig?
Love Never Dies (62): Disambig into Theatre/, Reincarnation Romance (11,118) and/or Resurrected Romance (523)?
Midnight World (34): Disambig into Literature/ (54) and The Hidden Hour (795)?
Monster World (61): Disambig into VideoGame.Wonder Boy In Monster World (526), VideoGame.Monster World IV (613) and Home of Monsters (301)?
Night Nurse: Main and Film/ disambig?
Noah's Ark: Disambig to "Noah's Story" Arc, the Video Game/, Series.Noahs Arc, and a page on the story itself?
No Exit: Disambig to Closed Circle, Theatre/, and other Sealed In Some Place tropes.
Neuromancer: Disambig into Literature/ and whatever trope is for Mind Magic?
Out Of Hell: Disambig into Video Game/ and Escaped from Hell?
The Parent Trap: Disambig into Film/, The Trap Parents and Kids Play Matchmaker, since it was previously called ParentTrapPlot?
Pirate Radio: Disambig into Film.The Boat That Rocked, and into Buccaneer Broadcaster?
Pixies: Disambig into Music.The Pixies, and Our Pixies Are Different?
The Question (261): Disambig into Comic Book/ (3,366) and Armor-Piercing Question (21,409), the proposal part of Wedding and Engagement Tropes?
Rage Against the Machine (82): Disambig with Music/ (1,741), Enmity with an Object (248), Man Versus Machine (1,743), Rage Within the Machine (222), Rebel Tropes (5,181)?
Rolling Stones (45): Disambig into The Rolling Stones (3,977) and Indy Escape (2,602) / (Rolling Boulder (11))?
Romantic Hero (108): Disambig into
The Ruins (56): Currently a Film/ (3,122), there's Literature/ (13)... Maybe disambig, and add Ruins for Ruins' Sake or something?
Saved By The Bell (359): Disambig into Series/, and whatever concept fits? Astonishingly Appropriate Interruption?
Savior (5): Disambig into Film/ (407), and some variant of The Messiah (3,088)?
Solitary (105): Disambig into Series/, Solitary Tropes?
Thanksgiving / Thanksgiving Day: Disambig into Thanksgiving Episode, and UsefulNotes/ThanksgivingDay.
Trapped in the Closet (98): Disambig into Music/ (2,341) and Locked in a Room (8,284)?
Trespasser: Disambig into Jurassic Park: Trespasser and Main.Trespassing Hero?
You Have Been Warned: Disamig into Administrivia/, I Warned You, and Content Warnings?
The Aviator: Disambig into Film/ and Ace Pilot?
Berserker: Currently going to The Berserker. Disambig between that and Literature/.
Dear John: Disambig into Series/, Film/, and "Dear John" Letter?
Evil Is Stylish: Was renamed into Complexity Addiction, but I think it should disambig into Villainous Fashion Sense or Man of Wealth and Taste, just because the title feels that confusing?
Fallen Angels: Disambig into Film, and whatever trope we've got for fallen angels?
Glasgow Kiss: Disambig to Use Your Head and Series/?
But not all gods of death are psychopomps? Or are they??
Golems: Disambig to both Video Game/ and Golem?
Grounded for Life: Disambig into Series/ and You Are Grounded.
Gungnir: Currently a Video Game, which is itself saying:
High Noon: Disambig to Film/ and Showdown at High Noon?
Island in the Sea of Time: Disambig into Literature/ and Mass Teleportation?
Life Force: Life Energy, Video Game/, Film/.
Magic Sword: Currently going to a Video Game/. Change to going to Spell Blade and Cool Sword too?
Manhunt: Disambig between whatever trope there is, Video Game/?
Meddling Kids: Split between Tabletop Game/ and You Meddling Kids?
MI-5: Disambig to Series.Spooks, and whatever article we have on British Military Intelligence, Branch 5... Especially since UsefulNotes.Secret Intelligence Service presumes the existence of such a page...
The Minutemen: Disambig into Film.Minutemen or Music.Minutemen and any other groups with the same name.
The Mist: Disambig into Film/, Literature, the Extra-Strength Masquerade of Literature.Percy Jackson And The Olympians, Fog of Doom, Ominous Fog, and Mysterious Mist?
Murder Mysteries: Currently a Literature. Was used by Literature.Discworld as a redirect to Murder Mystery.
The Mysterious Island / Mystery Island: Disambig into Fanfic.Mystery Island, Literature.The Mysterious Island, Film.Mysterious Island, and Island of Mystery?
Mystery Movie: Disambig into Series.The NBC Mystery Movie and Mystery Story?
Pod People: Disambig into People Jars, Film/ and Film.Invasion Of The Body Snatchers. Raid the descriptions for each entry from the Film page.
Peep Show: Disambig into Series/ and whatever trope fits the concept? The Peeping Tom? Outdoor Bath Peeping? Disambig into multiple tropes?
Personifications: Disambig into Roleplay/ and Anthropomorphic Personification?
Private Eye: Currently a Magazine/. First line is: For the dudes in fedoras, see Hardboiled Detective or Private Detective.
Pride Comes Before The Fall - Disambig into Pride Before a Fall and Fanfic/?
Pro Wrestling: Disambig into Video Game/ and Professional Wrestling.
Psycho Soldier: Disambig into Sociopathic Soldier as well as Video Game/?
Rebel Without a Cause: Disambig to Film/, some Anti-authority trope, and Cool People Rebel Against Authority?
Rebirth: Disambig to Rebirth and Reincarnation Tropes and Manhwa/?
Recap: Disambig to Recap.Recap and Recap Episode.
Redeeming Love: Disambig into Literature/ and Love Redeems?
Rift: Disambig into Video Game/, Tabletop Game/Rifts, Hell Gate? Teleporters? Portal Door?
Roswell: Disamig into Series/ and Roswell That Ends Well?
Red Shirts: Disambig into Main.Redshirt and Literature.Red Shirts?
Rune: Disambig between Video Game/, Instant Runes and Geometric Magic?
Railgun: Disambig to Magnetic Weapons and A Certain Scientific Railgun?
Resistance: Disambig into La RÚsistance, Fanfic/ and Video Game/?
Roll to Dodge: Disambig into Roleplay/ and Unnecessary Combat Roll?
Something In My Eye: Currently goes to Tear Jerker. Disambig to that, and Sand In My Eyes?
Slash: Disambig between Slash Fic and Music/.
SOS: Disambig into Video Game/, Island Help Message, Distress Signal, Manga.Nurse Angel Ririka SOS, etc?
Status Quo: Disambig into Status Quo Is God and Music/?
Supergod: Disambig into Super Hero Gods and Comic Book/?
Superman: Disambig into Franchise/ and ▄bermensch?
Soldier of Fortune: Disambig into Private Military Contractors and Video Game/?
Soon I Will Be Invincible: Is this not a line that references a trope? Disambig into Lit and that trope.
Spoiler Warning: Disambig with actual spoiler warning trope statement as well, for like, when fanfics are post-canon or something?
The Thing: Disambig into The Thing of the Fantastic Four, Franchise/ about an alien shapeshifter hunting the personnel of an arctic base, The Thing That Goes "Doink!", You Know What You Did, and Buffy Speak?
The Ten Commandments: Disambig into Film/ and Main.The Commandments?
Trickster: Disambig into The Trickster, Anime/, and VideoGame.Trickster Online?
Unhappily Ever After: Disambig into Series/, and whatever trope feels right? It sounds too good a name to not fit some trope.
Witch Hunter (144): Disamig into Manhwa/, The Witch Hunter (3,837), and Anime.Witch Hunter Robin...? Among anything else?
World Domination: Fanfic/ and Take Over the World.
Edited by Malady on Sep 17th 2019 at 7:39:01 AM
Those don't need to be in folders. Also, please remember the foldercontrol markup.
Amour Mitts, jamespolk, Water Blap, Lymantria - Hollering y'all 'cause y'all participated in my other posts / threads on this topic...
So... I've stuck all the 0-wicked redirects into their own folder. 'Cause they're the easiest to manage since we don't have to worry about fixing wicks.
Anyone feel like picking one to start with? Or shall we just start from the top, with a Yea, Nea on for:
I think the easiest thing to do with the 0-wicked pages is to cut them outright unless it's particularly witty. My issue with Firebreather being disambiguated for the work and Breath Weapon is that it's unnecessarily specific whereas someone looking for Breath Weapon wouldn't necessarily be looking for fire-as-a-Breath Weapon. Plus "Firebreather" isn't particularly witty for a name.
I think these are two important criteria to have because when suggesting a rename, redirects are practically a free switch, IIRC.
TL;DR version: I'm downvoting a disambig page for Firebreather because (1) it isn't another way of referencing the trope and (2) it doesn't sound particularly witty or funny.
Also,it would be useful to know the redirect's inbounds relative to the target's inbounds. So, for Firestarter, the redirect has 239 inbounds and 0 wicks but the target has over 2,000 inbounds and 27 wicks. That's, what, about 10 percent of the target's inbounds? It's worse for comparing it to Breath Weapon, which has about 3,000 inbounds and over 2,000 wicks (about 6 percent of BW's inbounds).
My point is that it seems one could make a decently strong argument that either (a) the redirect is not used for traffic to get to the work page or (b) the redirect is useless for either and so would be useless for both.
I suppose that could be a third criterion, idk. But the other two criteria collectively outweigh the third, so my position isn't changed for Firebreather.
edited 28th Jan '18 5:06:05 AM by WaterBlap
- Makes sense. I sent Firebreather to the cutlist.
How about this? The inbounds are in brackets:
In a case like that, I think the closeness of all the names would outweigh any concerns about number of inbounds.
Agreed. To continue to use the criteria I suggested/used above, that would be another way of referencing the trope (it's the same name but with an article in front of it) and it is equally witty or funny. Two out of three ain't bad. I think it could be made a disambig.
With that in mind, I believe The Forever War, Flyover Country, and Ghost World are all good candidates for manual disambiguations.
- Yep, I caught that, so I manually sent out P Ms. Thanks for giving me a reason to say that. :)
Disambiguated all three. ... Do we have a "City Inhabited by Ghosts / Undead" trope?
How do y'all feel about these two?:
Gonna do the following if there's no objections in a day or so:
edited 29th Jan '18 12:34:33 PM by Malady
Well, the above are done, except for Green Eggs And Ham, which I feel is somewhat pointless as a disambig if we we don't have Green Eggs to make the connection with...
So, here's the 0-ed 'H'-s:
edited 1st Feb '18 6:16:22 PM by Malady
Green (eggs and ham) is a reasonable search term for Palette-Swapped Alien Food.
Gritty Reboots I object to, on the basis that we don't create redirects for plural terms.
Hearts — Same objection. We should make the disambiguation page at Heart, and list the following:
Labyrinths — I added the webcomic to the singular main page disambiguation.
I also object to Hearts but add that the low inbound count makes it a useless redirect anyway. Heart could be really useful, with all those pages to disambiguate.
For Gritty Reboots, the inbounds outweigh those on Gritty Reboot. The latter seems to be useless as a redirect given the low inbounds...
edited 2nd Feb '18 5:10:25 AM by WaterBlap
- Cutting Hearts in a day, if no one disagrees. If you guys wanna make Heart a disambig, you could request on the Locked Pages Thread.
- Main.Green Eggs And Ham has been cut, so if you wanna argue for it, here's the code I used. The argument over it in the Locked Pages Thread starts from here.
I'll set my standard waiting period for dissenting views to three days? How many of you Watch / check this thread?
Or how often do y'all log on? Dunno if my waiting period is too long... Then again, I take silence as "agree with the majority / last opinion"...
edited 3rd Feb '18 1:32:00 PM by Malady
I think there's basically zero chance anyone would search for that term unless they're looking for the extremely popular kids book. I don't think a disambig makes any sense at all—the autodisambig should be more than sufficient.
(And BTW, the book is not about alien food. They're simply presented as "normal" green eggs, for no particular reason except Rule of Funny.)
edited 3rd Feb '18 1:15:53 PM by Xtifr
Green Eggs And Ham: TRS link Apparently Green Eggs was the original name. Green Eggs and Ham was re-added in 2015.
Heart: Posted in Locked Pages.
That doesn't really say anything about cases where the plural has a significant number of inbounds already and the singular has none. Not sure if anybody anticipated that possibility...
edited 3rd Feb '18 3:06:00 PM by WaterBlap
- Additionally, the article's talking about Redirects, not Disambigs.
- Also, maybe instead of cutting, Main.Hearts into a redirect to Main.Heart?
In any case, Hearts is the only one not changed, so, the next are more vague than normal:
edited 3rd Feb '18 4:40:14 PM by Malady
RE The full monty as slang, AFAIK "going the full monty" means something more like "putting in 110%". Maybe adding Up to Eleven to disambig would work?
- Well, I didn't know that, but doing... Check it in the Locked Pages thread.
So, if no one objects, in a day or so, Main.Hearts is gonna redirect to Main.Heart.
edited 3rd Feb '18 7:07:38 PM by Malady
Hopefully you won't mind that I added a link to The Heart to Heart.
- Totally fine. It's more crazysamaritan's thing? Although, I did make it into a trope index.
I guess The Heart does fit. Even though its sorta like a Search-Generated Index, it makes sense that it should be like that, given how people use Heart-based symbology.
Are disambig supposed to work like indexes? I always thought they were more behind-the-curtain so to speak.
- Well, this is sorta a unique case, given how many Heart things we have, and no extant index that holds the tropes?
We could make Heart Tropes or something, to take the index, or I reinstate the index in Heart Symbol, but it seems to make the most sense in Main.Heart?
Hmm... Maybe we should make Heart Tropes... It would match what I planned for with Main.Abuse, disambig-ing into Video Game/ and the extant Abuse Tropes index, and the other disambigs that point to indexes...
edited 3rd Feb '18 8:57:27 PM by Malady
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