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Lanfeust: Character (Lanfeust)

• Absurdly Youthful Father: Because of some time travelling misadventures, he ends up having a son who's barely younger than him.
• Younger Than They Look: He's in his mid-teens at the beginning of the story, but he looks like he's in his twenties.

Mario Kart 64: YMMV

• Common Knowledge: Most people believe that the thwomp nicknamed "Marty" is an unique green thwomp. In reality, this thwomp is blue like any other thwomps from the Mario games on the Nintendo 64. It just looks green because of the lighting in the cell.

Paper Mario 64: Characters (Koopa Bros)

• Palette Swap: Aside from the color of their mask, shell and shoes, they all look the same.

Page 906 @Tylerbear 12

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Page 906 @Bubblepig

The game ends with this when the player uses an elevator to escape. <- period The Figure attacks the elevator, causing it to fall down before escaping. <- period This leaves the player looking around in distress and slowly floating up as they were about to fall before the cutscene ends just as the elevator reaches the ground.

^ Part of the problem is that you're trying to stuff too much information into a single sentence. Try writing more sentences, each with a single idea, and removing unnecessary information.

^ Example:

^ The game ends with this when the player uses an elevator to escape. The Figure attacks the elevator, causing it to fall. This leaves the player looking around in distress and slowly floating up before the cutscene ends just as the elevator reaches the ground.

At the end of the Hotel, the player(s) escape from the Figure via an elevator. However, the Figure goes to the top of the elevator, attacking it... <- period

^ This isn't a run-on sentence.

Edited by Arivne on Feb 3rd 2023 at 8:58:04 AM

Page 906 @gamerzillasaurusrex2000

At the end of AVP: Alien vs. Predator, the Predalien chestburster already sports...

Page 906 @miraculous

Starscream, <- comma who is...trilogy, <- comma is...who, <- comma despite...series, <- comma is...

...franchise, <- comma being...through hoops and...Starscream, <- comma and...

Page 906 @Orror SANESS

"Is the indentation correct now?"

As I said in my response here:

"...the Ghostapo and Soviet Superscience examples...should be by themselves at the first level of indentation (one asterisk)."

If the "In a less fantastical manner" and "Zen attempted to avert this trope" examples are part of What the Romans Have Done for Us, they and the main What the Romans Have Done for Us example should be indented at the second level of indentation (two asterisks) below it.

Like this:

• Athens and Sparta
• Ghostapo
• Soviet Superscience
• Weird Trade Union
• What the Romans Have Done for Us
  • Main example
  • "In a less fantastical manner..."
  • "Zen attempted to avert this trope..."

Edited by Arivne on Feb 3rd 2023 at 10:29:55 AM

Page 906 @Fate Stay Who

...combat, <- comma and if ordered to attack, <- comma their...

...and brandishing their swords and shields...

They are the basic units of the Alliance and, <- comma while they are useful...

...remained loyal to the Alliance and, <- comma as such, <- comma have...

Their low cost makes them a good response to aerial threats.

Despite their guns being single shot, <- comma the Riflemen...

Supposedly the Riflemen have been...first to mention of them.

Knights are covered in armor and...

Compared with other late-game melee units, <- comma they have...

...and can be set to autocast, <- comma causing...

Priests can...spell. It does not restore as much HP as other healing spells, <- comma but...

The Priest has low attack and HP, <- comma so...

Rather than directly using their magic, <- comma they...

The Sorceress is not much of a fighter, <- comma so...

Later patches allow them to use it...

......flying craft capable of acting as a fast airborne scouts. While ...brave, is possibly crazy <- no comma pilots are in combat.

In Frozen Throne the unit is changed to the Siege Engine. <- period Despite...

The Steam Tank packs a heavy punch against buildings and, <- comma unlike...units, <- comma is...

Unlike most siege units, <- comma they...durable, <- comma with...

Neither unit has any quotes: <- colon all that the player hears...

...riding on the backs of their mighty gryphons.

...Frostwrym, with top speed equal to the less powerful Wind Raider.

Archmages are capable of capable summoning...water are durable...

...Phoenix, <- comma while...speed, <- comma however, <- comma never...

After the loss of...the hope of...

Elven warriors ride a fast bird called a Dragonhawk, using...

...Flying Machine, <- comma so it is not as good in frontal assaults.

...second, <- comma it ends up a Glass Cannon, <- comma since...

Rather than having a timed life...either due to...

The Phoenix’s flames are so hot that just getting near it burns enemies. <- period

Averted: <- colon the Phoenix has no protection from its flames...

Edited by Arivne on Feb 3rd 2023 at 9:49:06 AM

@jahman

Aine's Character Development arc is learning to let go of her "stand her ground" policy and...

@Melinda

"The that/where change for All Guys Want Cheerleaders comment (your first correction of my last post) feels confusing and incorrect when I try to change the sentence that way. Did you mean to say where or did you mean to write another word?"

^ Please ignore it.

..."The Summit" may not be the...episode, <- comma but ...played by John Spencer.

They raise sheep rather then cows, <- comma but otherwise fit the mold.

Eric is eager to kill commit murder for...he has a...

...(which is a novelization of "Some Assembly Required"...

...(not one of the sports most associated with the trope, <- comma but still a sport)...

...he is voted the male is embodiment of "Books and Looks".

...even before gaining vampiric strength and reflexes.

He hasn't used his first name in over a century, while...

...he points out...actually succeeding at his plan.

He repeatedly tells Angel to embrace his nature as a vampire...

...are sixth and seventh in the credits, <- comma but...

...and cares for...he will sneak...Bane proves his...first sells him...underworld enemies and...exchange for leniency.

Page 906 @Bullman

...Ghostfaces, <- comma Amber, <- comma has...vicious murder spree, <- comma mainly...

...adds more tragedy to the reveal that Amber is one of the killers.

Page 906 @Mariofan 99

I am not an expert on formatting.

Meant to say Shrinking Violet policy

Page 906 @Emperor Geode

Prince Hiroshi Ryusaki helped Emperor Pu-Yi regain control of China <- no comma before betraying him to turn China into a puppet of the Empire of Japan. Having the Emperor and Yue <- no comma tortured and raped by female Japanese soldiers until she became blind, deaf and mute <- no comma and drugged to have sex for as the punishment for Emperor’s defiance. Having their son Yu-Min raised as a soldier in World War 2, Ryusaki forces Pu-Yi to approve Japanese war crimes against China, regularly bringing him recordings of the aftermath. This culminates in manipulating Yu-Min into killing both himself and his father. After his death, Ryusaki becomes leader of the conspiracy to take control of the Phantom Paradise. After the death of Empress Madonna, Ryusaki manipulates her daughter Sakurako’s mad love for Yu-Min to make her his puppet. Trying to Mind Rape Yu-Min into killing his father once again, Ryusaki reveals that he has enslaved and harvested the souls of the people who died because of his actions. Whether in life or in death, Ryusaki proves himself to be China’s royal family's most hated enemy for the reason.

^ Who was tortured and raped? The Emperor? Yue? Both of them?

Thanks Arivne.

Thanks Arivne

Edited by EmperorGeode on Feb 3rd 2023 at 11:00:10 AM

For future I Thought It Meant tropes:

• Hyperspace Mallets aren't mallets that travel through hyperspace.

Any specfic formums for formating

Thanks Arivne.

• Ghostapo: Archangel Gabriel's angels were trying to help Gabriel become a new God. They help the Angeloi's Inquisition, the Gestapo, and the Angeloi's allies kill minorities, heretics, loyalists, and rebellious angels that are against Gabriel's agenda, though it's partly because their opposition is helping to preserve the Angeloi's opponent, the Reich.
  • In a less fantastical manner, the Angeloi most interested in the occult was Heinrich Himmler, while Angelos personally had very little interest in the subject, mostly seeing the dramatic and political implications of secret societies and banning all that didn't support his reign. While he admired the Teutonic myths, his intention was not to replace Christianity with a dead religion, but to get the state to absorb all the properties of a religion, much like the Soviet Commune had done, at least for starters - one can only speculate what would have followed if he had won, or WWII had ended in a stalemate. Some state papers the Central Powers discovered after the fall of Berlin discussed either "Aryanizing" Christianity or completely replacing it with a new religion centered around Angelos, whom the Angeloi would proclaim is the Germanic Roman messiah.

• Soviet Superscience: Justified, Parodied, Exaggerated, Played Straight, and Downplayed in Part 4. the Soviet Commune, northernmost country of Europe, is filled with the Russians who developed more advanced technology. at a slightly faster pace than most other nations, since that was pretty much the only way to survive the environment, as well as having Angels helping them develop technology to resist the Angeloi. The Soviets even got the Nuke in 1944, while the Loyalists had to play catch up and only got it in 1948! That too is justified, as they have stolen those nukes from the Angeloi.
  • Zen attempted to avert this trope in the narrative, but this trope was actually Inverted in most of the Cold War, in Part 5. It took the Soviet Commune 1950 until they actually create a nuke, while it took the Loyalists 1948 to create a nuke. Near the end of the Cold War, The Soviet Commune is depicted as technologically backwards due to ideology and bureaucracy getting in the way of science. At one point in the Cold War, THEY WEREN'T EVEN A GREAT POWER! It took Valentin to avert the worst of the bloat and bring back the Soviet Commune into relevance.

• Weird Trade Union: There were Angeloi/Rasa trade unions in the 1920's to 1930's. This was odd because the Fascists usually crush labor unions, not create them. They are serious about being Fascist, and they lobby for ways to discriminate against cultures other than the main one.

• Athens and Sparta: Part 5, The Holy Roman Empire of Jerusalem is the Sparta here. Jerusalem has the worst living standards in the world, is built on patriotic citizen soldiers and mercenaries alike, has industrialized killing fields that put the Rasa and The Khmer Rouge to shame, and is built on theocratic, nationalist ideology against Meritocracy/Democracy. Despite this, Jerusalem is somehow the most powerful nation in the world. The ability of Jerusalemite subversion is legendary. The Central Asian Confederation and the Eimerican Federation are the Athens. both the Central Asian Confederation and the Eimerican Federation are Meritocratic Federations built to help each other in meritocratic examinations and in general defending their country, as well as having high living standards and are the new forebearers of Meritocracy/Democracy after the Reich fell into totalitarianism.

• What the Romans Have Done for Us: Part 4-5: World War 2 onwards, China's economy is much stronger than it was before it was a military dictatorship, pushing back the Reich, and even almost defeating the Angeloi! That's something that was never done in World War 1, as in World War 1 they were pushed around by the Reich! On the other hand, China's oppression of the native population caused a lack of innovation leading to China losing the space race.

(I see. Also, the, the Ghostapo and the Soviet Superscience trope was never a part of the What the Romans Have Done for Us trope. I have just did the example in 1 asterisk a long time ago and after there has been a consensus that two of the indentations were wrong, I just put matters in my own hands and put two asterisks in the Ghostapo and the Soviet Superscience tropes.)

Edited by OrrorSANESS on Feb 3rd 2023 at 2:57:51 AM

Aine Yukimura

• Promoted Fangirl: In-Universe; Aine, though she didn't start as an Λucifer fangirl until after meeting Sakuya.
• Shrinking Violet: More in the manga than the anime, though. Despite having some friends, between being an ordinary high school student who is even quite "invisible" to most of her schoolmates and being neglected by her parents, her self-esteem is pretty low, not to mention all the trials she endures as both Sakuya's woman and the new (secret) exclusive lyricist of Λucifer. Sakuya's undying love for her inspires her to find strength within herself, come out of her shell and become a strong and mature woman.

Thanks @ Sunnydale High Characters

• Informed Flaw: The Big Board Buffy made calls Holly an introvert, but also says that she is on the debate squad and drill team, both of which require self-confidence, working as a team, and being in the spotlight. Furthermore, she seems outgoing during her campaign for Homecoming Queen and her classmates vote her as “Biggest Flirt” in the Sunnydale High Yearbook.

• Kick the Dog:
  • She may just be doing what she thinks is right when she originally tries to steal the gem, but the way she smirks at Raya while betraying her in the opening flashback is pretty cold.
  • When she runs into Raya in the present, Namaari shows no remorse for how her betrayal destroyed the Heart tribe and even mocks Raya by sarcastically complimenting her on finally finding a real frined (Sisu, who is pretending to be human in that scene).
• Beware the Quiet Ones: She is the only chief to remain silent and professional as the others throw accusations and insults at Benja, but she is actively plotting to steal the gem by any means necessary and bring prosperity to her faction and poverty to Benja's.
• Kick the Dog: When she hears that Raya is journeying to Spine, she shows smug amusement at the idea that the Druun there will kill Raya.

@ Buffy the Vampire Slayer

• Herbert, the adorable pig mascot which the were-hyenas ate, is included in the in memorium section along with the dead human students and faculty members.

@ Fillmore! The Currency of Doubt

• The culprit dresses and moves like a ninja while attacking Fillmore and Ingrid, complete with flips across awnings.

@ X-Men Fanon Disconinuity

• "The End of the Greys" arc has a lot of Collateral Angst in exchange for relatively minimal useful story progression, and while it is far from universally hated, there are a good number of fans who would like to think it never happened.

• Batman
  • Detective Comics 334 & 356: ( Grasshopper is the Collective Identity of the twin brothers who are hired to steal from Batman. They use their double-jointed limbs and Twin Switch gambits to act like there is only one Grasshopper who can leap superhuman distances, luring the Caped Crusaders away from the Batmobile and then stealing it. Then they rob Batman during a charity auction, hiding inside of podiums and chandeliers, and kidnap Robin. They let Batman figure out their Twin Switch and follow one of them back to their hideout, where they have Robin tied up in a Grasshopper costume to make Batman think Robin is free and in control of the situation while they try to shoot Batman. While they never reappear, except in one cameo appearance, they stand out amongst Batman's Rogues Gallery for remaining one step ahead of him for almost all of their page-time and only being beaten by Batman's superior combat skills.

Edited by Melinda on Feb 4th 2023 at 6:22:50 AM

Thanks, Arivne.

Some Pooh-related YMMV items, do these need correction?

The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh

• Covers Always Lie: Posters for Winnie the Pooh and the Honey Tree featured the likes of Piglet and Tigger, who are not present in the film. They would not make their Disney debut until the second featurette, Winnie the Pooh and the Blustery Day.

Trivia.The Many Adventures Of Winnie The Pooh:

• Disowned Adaptation: E. H. Shepard, the illustrator of the original books, reportedly described the film as a travesty, and he hated the film's Americanization of the original books. Christopher Robin Milne (the son of Winnie-the-Pooh author, A. A. Milne, and the inspiration for Christopher Robin in the books) was reportedly not fond of the film either and had been equally outspoken against Disney's Americanization and commercialization of the property. That said, his daughter, Claire Milne, liked the film.

• What Could Have Been:
  • Piglet and Tigger were planned to appear in Honey Tree at some point. However, the two were scrapped for unknown reasons, with Piglet's role getting taken by resident Canon Foreigner Gopher instead. Piglet and Tigger would instead be saved for the second featurette, Winnie the Pooh and the Blustery Day. Despite their removal, however, traces of them can still be felt in the final film, as plush toys of the two appear in the live-action segment in the beginning, and Piglet makes a brief cameo in the opening theme. The two also still appear in promotional◊ posters◊ for the film.
  • Walt originally wanted the designs of the characters to be very faithful to E.H. Shepard's illustrations, nude Pooh and all, which can be seen in much of the early concept◊ art for the film◊. However, this caused a stir within Disney animation, as the animators had issues faithfully translating the original designs into animation and wanted to draw the characters in their traditional in-house style instead of following Shepard's illustrations. Eventually, after a bit of back-and-forth over it, Walt and the animators came to a compromise on the designs, leading to the Disney-esque but still faithful designs featured in the finished film.

• Improved By The Recut: While the original standalone featurettes are regarded as being enjoyable, it is universally agreed by fans and critics that the combined film, The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh, is far better than the three original featurettes individually, since it successfully ties them together into a tight and cohesive narrative while adding new content that expands upon the narrative and gives it more depth.

• Values Dissonance: Pooh ends up wielding a shotgun in Blustery Day. Granted, it’s a toy pop gun and not a real firearm, but the idea of Winnie the Pooh of all characters wielding a firearm, toy or not, would most certainly not fly today, given that firearms in kids' cartoons have become more scrutinized in the years following the featurette's release in 1968. Likely because of this, Pooh has never been portrayed with a shotgun again since the short.

• Fan Community Nickname: Fans like to call themselves "Pooh-ophiles". Disney would even use the term when referring to Pooh fans in the documentary, The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh: The Story behind the Masterpiece.

• Common Knowledge: Everyone knows Pooh was based on a plush teddy bear known as Edward Bear owned by Christopher Robin, which is a fact constantly repeated by official sources, including Disney. However, this is only partially true. While Edward Bear did inspire Pooh, his design in the books was not based on Edward, but rather, it was based on a separate teddy bear named Growler that was owned by E. H. Shepard's son. This makes Pooh a Composite Character of the two teddy bears, having the background of Edward Bear and the design of Growler.
• Fandom-Enraging Misconception: No, Rabbit, Owl and Gopher are not stuffed animals. They are real animals who happen to exist in the same world as the stuffed animals. Saying they are stuffed animals is guaranteed to anger the Pooh fan base.

• Opinion Myopia: To this very day, the ride tends to receive scorn from Disney Park fans for replacing Mr. Toad's Wild Ride and Country Bear Jamboree at Magic Kingdom and Disneyland, respectively, and are baffled as to why Disney would replace two of their "classic" attractions with a Winnie the Pooh attraction. However, that hasn't stopped The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh from being one of the most popular dark rides in both parks, and it is often ignored that the reason why Disney replaced Mr. Toad and Country Bear with Pooh at all was that both were unpopular amongst guests.

Edited by Tylerbear12 on Feb 4th 2023 at 11:31:09 AM

For future Monster Delay examples:

• Slender: The Arrival: Intensely zigzagged:
  • Subverted with Slenderman. During the first chapter, just as everything seems peaceful, Slenderman briefly appears outside Kate's house.
  • Played Straight with "The Chaser." You don't encounter her until the third chapter.
  • Exaggerated with Charlie Matheson Junior. His poster is seen during the first chapter, but Charlie himself doesn't appear until the end of the fifth chapter.

Edited by gamerzillasaurusrex2000 on Feb 4th 2023 at 3:34:00 AM

Square Race, Round Class

Sesame Street: The Elephant Elevator Operator Song, was a segment in the 90s that was sung by the Elephant about how much he loves his job despite not having room for other passengers on his elevator.

Arivne got it, thanks.

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