Near-death-related examples could potentially qualify as Like You Would Really Do It, if one takes PBS Kids's ideology towards near-deaths (and by extension, death as a whole) into consideration. There has been talk of death in a few shows but a majority of it revolves around pets or animals dying, not main characters.
I completely neglected the laconic, but if "intentionally sneaking in stuff that censors would say no to and having it miraculously pass undetected" is supposed to be the actual definition of the trope, then I think either an update to the laconic or to the description might be in order via TRS. I'd say a fair bit of the examples count as sneaking in stuff; either it's dumbed down so it's seen as more of a jokey kind of thing that doesn't trip S&P (like the apocalypse intentions in "Odd Squad Needs You") or, for more serious and realistic fare, it's eventually given a good outcome (like Ms. O's alcohol withdrawal in "Xs and Os").
Is this a 90s show? I remember the creators of Reboot expressing frustration that they weren't allowed to have cliffhangers with the heroes being in mortal peril either, and that show was aimed at a much older audience. It may have been a general unspoken rule in the 90s with kids programming.
Edited by PhiSat on Oct 6th 2023 at 11:14:02 AM
Oissu!Odd Squad premiered in 2014, not in the '90s.
That makes sense. I did think that maybe the more obvious examples of Radar could overlap too much with Surprisingly Lenient Censor, but that's more for when the show's creators are surprised that something got through.
I suppose I could see those cases still counting as "sneaking something in" too, now that I think about it.
Cold turkey's getting stale. Tonight I'm eating crow.Age ratings aren't reserved for any particular demographic or age group. They are assigned between an episode's production and its release, based on what is in that episode.
No, that's correct.
ilovewildkratts1's post is a good illustration of why GCPTR examples now require citations. When tropers aren't just trying to make their favourite works look more subversive than they really are, they try to infer what the standards are based on the content of works that are given various age ratings and work backwards from there. This seems to be the case with the Odd Squad examples. They don't read like they're based on the actual criteria of the age rating, but rather on what tropers imagine those criteria to be.
So by all means move exmaples to other tropes to save them, but if you want to put them on GCPTR, we'll need some sort of reliable source detailing what was and wasn't allowed.
For the record, this is what TV-Y officially means:
Surprisingly Lenient Censor wouldn't count for any example because the creators knew what they were putting in and I haven't seen anything that indicates otherwise.
I recall reading an interview a long time ago where a writer referred to the jokes and other bits he and other writers put in with the same "sneaking stuff in" terminology, as well.
When I say "largely preserved for preschool shows", I'm referring to a majority of preschool shows bearing that rating. The amount of preschool shows I've seen with a TV-Y7 rating, let alone ones from PBS Kids specifically, are very slim. Admittedly I could have worded that better so that's my bad entirely.
You have to look at the bigger picture, though. GCPTR is about TV show ratings, yes, but you have to take into consideration the network's modus operandi as well when it comes to what is and isn't allowed. PBS Kids is the network I'm most familiar with and thus I believe I have a fairly firm handle on what TV-Y means based on them, their shows, and what they get away with (both back in the 90s and nowadays). The tonal shift between their shows, as stated, is something to consider as well.
Unfortunately I can't detail any reliable source for keeping examples on GCPTR — PBS keeps a majority of things very tightly under wraps and the aforementioned interview is about as close as I can get — so it seems like the only thing to do is to move examples to other tropes. FWIW a lot of the examples are on the DTRYOA page which I had also created, so I'll pick through that later and shift tropes accordingly.
Edited by ilovewildkratts1 on Oct 7th 2023 at 8:43:54 AM
What’s DTRYOA?
Thanks.
Edited by Lymantria on Oct 13th 2023 at 1:58:32 PM
Join the Five-Man Band cleanup project!Does This Remind You of Anything?
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.I think I'll probably be bringing up a few other Radar pages here in the near-future, but I just came across the radar page for The Haunting Hour.
I've never seen the show before, but according to the page, it's rated TV-PG and aired on Discovery Family / The Hub. It also apparently aired in 2010. The page is mainly listing things like innuendos, death, mild language, and alcohol - which I'm pretty sure are all appropriate for a TV-PG rating - but I'd appreciate getting a second opinion from someone who's familiar with the show as well, regarding whether or not anything here counts as Getting Crap Past the Radar. I'm also unfamiliar with what Discovery Family's S&P are, so some input on that would be helpful as well.
- From "Alien Candy":
Bully: ''Looks like somebody grew a pair."
- Kell's nickname in "Game Over" is "Kell-Raiser," which is three letters off from a mild swear ("hell").
- The word "hell-raiser" was actually said on "The Return of Lilly D" by the crazy old woman who was forced to make dolls by the Really You company. She described Lilly D as a "hell-raiser," then says, "Pardon my French."
- In "The Walls," Jeffery's dad tells Jeffery that the Klemit (a sugar-addicted demon that lives in his bedroom wall) didn't kill the old man who lived in their house; it was the fact that the old man was 114 and had a 29-year-old girlfriend.
- Earlier, Chuck mentions that when they found the old man's body, it was lying face down (and possibly naked) in a pile of sugar, which sounds like a polite way of saying that he was doing cocaine and OD'ed.
- In "Wrong Number," when Mrs. Biazevich confronts the girls in their room about the loud music, Steffani replies with a very sarcastic "Sure thing, Mrs. Biaze-VICH." The delivery of the line sounds awfully close to "Biaze-bitch". This was intentional, according to the writers.
- "Creature Feature" gives us this gem right after John, who was turned into a tick creature, was on the receiving end of a Groin Attack. The actual impact occurs off-screen, but the dialogue makes it obvious what happened:
Nathan: Ooh! Right in the...
Lisa: In the what? Does he even still have any?
(John doubles over in pain)
Nathan: I'll take that as a yes.
- "Seance" mentions the ghost of Cyrus Clayton who was fired for drinking alcohol on the job, then brutally murdered his boss before his leg was shredded in an accident and he bled to death.
- "Coat Rack Cowboy": Ethan and Frank first encounter Mad Dog McCoy in a Western saloon, where he's swilling whiskey.
- Mad Dog McCoy's story of how he died: he shot the town sheriff, then ran for the hills until a posse of cowboys caught him and hanged him. He still has the noose scars on his neck.
- In "Dead Bodies," Jake tells Will to "Go to Hell." He may have meant the actual place, since Will is a ghost and is in between the mortal world and the afterlife, but it's still not something you'd normally hear on a children's network (despite that the show is rated TV-PG for scary/disturbing content).
- Jake forcing Anna to shake her hand comes off with some rape-like undertones.
- The antagonist of "My Old House" draws several parallels to that of a pedophile. The villain lures the protagonist away by showing her more love than her parents do, gives her sweets, and promises to take care of her as long a she remains loyal. Even further, the antagonist also shows signs of being a domestic abuser when he doesn't get what he wants.
- In "Argh V," Sam's parents cheerfully remark that "you are what you eat!"...prompting Sam's father to call himself a "fruit cup." One wonders if the scriptwriter added the "cup" to that line to prevent the negative connotations of "fruit."
- In general, the many times kid protagonists end up dead — Will from "The Dead Body," Alex from "Sick", Audrey, Halftime, and Katie in "Detention," Sam and her family in "Argh V," the reference to the kids who died while playing with Mangler on "Near Mint Condition."
- From "Lotsa Luck":
Greg's Dad: (arriving home) "There's my favorite family!"
Greg's Mom: "Better be your only family."
- This gem from "Nightmare Inn":
Jill's Mom: "This is the first time you're father and I-
Jill: "TMI"
Jill's Mom: "What? We had our first Sunday brunch here."
As I stated above, I'm willing to hear anyone out if there is anything on the page that really counts as GCPTR, but I'm thinking this page can probably be sent to the Cut List with examples being moved to tropes like Demographically Inappropriate Humor as one sees fit.
Cold turkey's getting stale. Tonight I'm eating crow.I haven't seen the show, but I agree with your analysis; nothing there appears to warrant anything higher than PG.
Also, the work page says that each episode opens with a disclaimer, which tells me that nothing was intentionally snuck past S&P.
Ukrainian Red CrossThat makes sense. I agree that the fact that the show opens with a Content Warning basically also confirms that nothing here really "got past the radar" - it seems more like the censors saw the content of the episode/show and deemed it okay, as long as a disclaimer was put in place. I think of it as the same as if a PG-rated movie had "mild language" as one of its rating descriptors; the ratings board saw that the film had some profanity and rated it accordingly.
I also took a look at some tropes listed on the main page. A lot of the violence-related stuff is already listed as Family-Unfriendly Death and related tropes, but I'd also like to bring attention to these two Radar entries on the main page before I start moving examples and sending Radar.The Haunting Hour to the Cut List:
- Getting Crap Past the Radar:
- In "Really You", Lily's older brother remarks that he wants his own life-sized rubber doll, but that he wants his doll to look like actress Meghan Fox.
- In "Alien Candy", an older bully looks at the protagonist in the school locker room and remarks, "you really grew a pair!" - meant to refer to the protagonist being ballsy and brave in this case.
The first one seems like it might be Demographically Inappropriate Humor, assuming it's supposed to be a joke about blow-up dolls or something like that - the second one is an example I previously noticed on the page, but this time with more context as to how "grew a pair" was used, and I'd say it counts as DIH in that context as well.
Cold turkey's getting stale. Tonight I'm eating crow.I agree, they look like DIH. (I suspect the target audience is probably teenagers, but hey, DIH is subjective for a reason).
Ukrainian Red CrossI agree that teens/preteens are probably the main demographic as well, though I have also seen some claims that it was aimed at a family audience. From what I've been finding out about the show so far, it's a lot like Goosebumps (due to being by the same author), but Darker and Edgier and therefore aimed at a slightly older demographic. So I could go either way.
You're right that Demographically Inappropriate Humor is subjective, though; what one person may consider an inappropriate joke for a kids' show can easily be considered perfectly fine according to someone else. Likewise, what's appropriate for kids to watch is also pretty subjective.
If it ends up that these examples aren't valid for DIH, that's perfectly okay too - this section can easily be removed - but I figure that some of them are probably worth putting somewhere. And, hey, DIH could use some more attention as it is.
Anyway, here's my suggested addition to the YMMV page, feel free to let me know if you have any feedback before I add it:
- Demographically Inappropriate Humor:
- In "Really You", Lily's older brother remarks that he wants his own life-sized rubber doll, but that he wants his doll to look like actress Meghan Fox.
- In "Alien Candy", an older bully looks at the protagonist in the school locker room and remarks, "you really grew a pair!" - meant to refer to the protagonist being ballsy and brave in this case.
- "The Walls":
- Chuck mentions that when they found the old man's body, it was lying face down (and possibly naked) in a pile of sugar, which sounds like a polite way of saying that he was doing cocaine and OD'ed.
- Jeffery's dad tells Jeffery that the Klemit (a sugar-addicted demon that lives in his bedroom wall) didn't kill the old man who lived in their house; it was the fact that the old man was 114 and had a 29-year-old girlfriend.
- In "Creature Feature", John (who was turned into a tick-creature) is hit with an offscreen Groin Attack. While she and Nathan witness the injury, Lisa asks if John "still has any".
- From "Nightmare Inn":
Jill's Mom: "This is the first time your father and I-
Jill: "TMI"
Jill's Mom: "What? We had our first Sunday brunch here."
I decided to leave out the example that mentioned sneaking in a use of the word "bitch". According to the DIH main page, the word "bitch" is completely allowed to be used in PG-rated works, but I can put it back in if it's agreed that it counts.
Just sent Radar.The Haunting Hour to the Cut List, too. I'll get around to looking at some more Radar entries soon as well, since I just found a few pages that have a lot of misuse, presumably a holdover from sometime before Radar was brought to TRS. (Given the pages are pretty short, would it be okay if I combined a few of my analyses into one post?)
Cold turkey's getting stale. Tonight I'm eating crow.Looks good.
Shouldn't be any particular issues with bringing up multiple pages as long as the overall post isn't too long.
Ukrainian Red CrossAlright, thanks! I've made the appropriate changes.
Here are my analyses for some more Getting Crap Past the Radar pages. I apologize that this post is rather long, but the pages with my comments are in folders, so hopefully it's manageable. (There's another page I'd like to look at, but since it's longer, I'll hold off on that one for now.)
All of them are PG-rated animated movies released between 2014-2016 - The Book of Life, Kubo and the Two Strings, Mr. Peabody & Sherman, and The LEGO Movie. They're all movies I've seen, though it's been a while, so (as usual) let me know if my information or judgments are incorrect. There were some entries that had spoiler tags, and I don't think there's anything wrong with spoiler tags on Radar, but I've removed them in my analysis for easier reading.
- In the beginning during the school field trip, one of the students (a young Emo boy) is shown to be openly gushing over both Xibalba and La Muerte.
- It's a quick moment, but here◊, Xibalba is looking at La Muerte's breasts.
- Before that, when La Muerte says: "And if my boy marries the girl, you will..", the way Xibalba melts and the sounds he makes give you an idea of what kind of condition he expected.
- When La Muerte and Xibalba are passing through San Angel's graveyard, Xibalba extinguishes a grave-shrine's candles with his presence, and La Muerte relights them. A man who was looking over the candles as they briefly went out then casts a glance to the bottle he was holding.
- Are we not forgetting the scene where the mariachi guys are trying to help Manolo woo Maria? They admit to having gone to four bars and were obviously drunk and one of the songs they try to serenade her with actually uses the word sexy.
- Notice how after La Muerte screams to summon Xibalba, when she discovers that he cheated, Xibalba has a bottle of wine and 2 glasses. If one were to imply further, there's a slight sexual implication, since they're married, would have drunk wine (if the reason La Muerte calling Xibalba wasn't about his cheating), and his sing-song voice.
- The Candlemaker says this while watching as Manolo is forced to fight several thousand bulls combined into one giant bull: "That is a whole lot of bull."
- At Manolo and Maria's wedding, Carlos grabs (or at least tries to) Carmen's butt.
Radar.Kubo And The Two Strings
- One origami bird flew straight toward Monkey's rear end, cue her surprised/annoyed reaction.
- Kubo kancho-ed his mom
- Beetle's exclamation when he was about to get stomped by Gashadokuro: "Oh foot!".
- When Monkey is tending to Beetle's injured back by applying mud, he soon starts to enjoy the massage session a little too much.
- When Kubo eagerly wakes Monkey and Beetle, the way Monkey groggily wakes up with disheveled fur and Beetle sleepily drapes one arm upon her looks like they slept together.
- When he's trying to avoid a Time Paradox involving two Shermans from different timelines, Peabody says he has to prevent Sherman from touching himself. Everyone's reaction just sells it. Especially Ms. Grunion, who begins furiously writing on her clipboard.
- Mr. Peabody receives a triplicate presidential pardon at the end of the film, including one from Bill Clinton, who claims he's "done worse".
- Agamemnon mentions Oedipus has an awkward relationship with his family.
- This gem:
Mr. Peabody: Ah, ah, ah! Careful, Sherman. It's a booby trap.Sherman: (laughs)Mr. Peabody: What's so funny?Sherman: You said booby!
- When explaining to Penny what the consequences of marriage to King Tut will lead to when he dies, she's shown a picture of a woman getting her heart ripped out of her chest in a bloody mess. Penny is seven. They also give her detailed description of what they will do to her body when she's dead, involving that they will rip all of her organs out and then proceed to make her emptied body into a mummy. Worst part is that this is actually Truth in Television.
- Also, when Leonardo da Vinci and Mona Lisa are having a quarrel when he wants her to smile for his painting.
Mona Lisa:... while I sit here on my abbondanza!Sherman:...I don't think that means "chair" in Italian.
- Bill Clinton can be seen putting the move on Mona Lisa in the moment between Mr. Peabody explaining how to repair the time rip and Agamemnon saying he doesn't get it.
- At the end of the film, there is a scene where George Washington is showing off his one-dollar bill to a lot of women who fawn over him but when Benjamin Franklin shows his one hundred dollar bill they fawn over Benjamin instead. If that isn't a metaphor, I don't know what is.
Radar.The Lego Movie (This one does bring up that the fact that it's about LEGO toys allows it to get away with some things, so I guess I can see where some of the examples are coming from, but I'm unsure if any of these are valid examples since tropes like Bloodless Carnage would basically accomplish the same goal.)
- For instance, a character gets decapitated and his severed head is shown on-screen for nearly a minute, but it's neither squicky, gory, nor anything inappropriate.
- Michelangelo (the artist) has brought a white statue with him to the assembly of Master Builders, the statue of David. Like the real statue it's nude, but unlike the real statue it's a Lego minifigure with nothing to censor.
- In the "Behind the Bricks" featurette, President Business moans about why they got Will Ferrell to voice him, then starts doing imitations of famous actors who he wanted to voice him. At one point he mentions Ryan Gosling, then takes off his shirt to reveal a six-pack, raises his eyebrow and a wolf-whistle sound plays.
- Near the beginning, when talking about getting something to eat, a male construction worker says he likes giant sausages. The fact it's a stereotype that many construction workers are gay, there is no way this was a coincidence.
- Metalbeard's story finishes with him escaping with nothing but his head (and sundry organs); represented in — thank Heavens — silhouette by a Lego snake and a few small, round pieces. Obviously his intestines and all them pod-shaped insides.
- Vitrivius asks "Why are my pants cold and wet?", to which Wyldstyle reacts with horror. Turns out the submarine is leaking.
- Good Cop/Bad Cop tells Emmet he was found "convulsing with a strange piece", to which Emmet responds "That's disgusting!" Whatever he was thinking that meant is a mystery.
- Metalbeard tells Benny the first rule of the ocean: never place your rear end on a pirate's face.
- In the end when everybody's getting creative again, a French guy is happily sticking his croissant into a hole (in a plate).
In short, I feel like the pages can probably be cut and examples can be moved to more fitting tropes like Demographically Inappropriate Humor and Parental Bonus. If there are any examples that count as Radar, let me know, but all of this seems acceptable for the PG rating.
Something I feel like saying, because I've been noticing this - when it comes to misuse for GCPTR, I generally try to assume that it's being done by someone who simply doesn't understand what it actually means to "get crap past the radar", which is mainly because I know I did the same thing when I was new to the site as well (as I think I've mentioned before). In a lot of cases, misuse of GCPTR seems to simply be a holdover from when "adult jokes in a kid-friendly work" was what GCPTR was frequently used as before it was brought to TRS (even if that still wasn't its intended meaning then, I can usually understand why someone would think that).
That's not to say that there's never blatant misuse of GCPTR, though. Sometimes I can tell that people are taking things out of context in an effort to make a family-friendly work seem more edgy than it really is (similar to misuse of Nightmare Fuel), and occasionally I'll see stuff that sounds a lot like pearl-clutching (usually written with Word Cruft and natter like "And this was a kid's show!!!" - I often see entries of this sort on What Do You Mean, It's for Kids? and other similar tropes as well). I also feel like the tendency for movies to Avoid the Dreaded G Rating may have something to do with some Radar misuse.
Cold turkey's getting stale. Tonight I'm eating crow.I pretty much agree with your analyses. If nothing else, there's nothing in there that goes beyond a PG rating, and some of it is clearly Accidental Innuendo.
To your more general point, I also agree. Most of the bad examples are just caused by misunderstanding, and I would say that people also think censors are stricter than they really are.
Ukrainian Red CrossOkay; I'll likely be sending the pages to the Cut List soon. Some of it seems viable for Demographically Inappropriate Humor, but I agree that it's all within the bounds of PG, and I do feel like several of the examples are Accidental Innuendo or just reading too much into things.
Yeah, I guess I can understand the confusion between DIH and Getting Crap Past the Radar - GCPTR is essentially defined as "something that's not appropriate for the work's age rating makes it through anyway", and innuendo tends to imply, well... subjects that aren't normally appropriate for the target audience. Of course, this definition leaves out the part where to count as GCPTR, it has to directly violate the censorship standards - a joke that implies swearing (in a work that doesn't allow profanity) through Curse Cut Short, Subverted Rhyme Every Occasion, etc would usually be more fitting for DIH. GCPTR is more for if they actually manage to get a swear word in there somehow.
I agree that there's likely some degree of thinking censors are stricter than they actually are, too - as I mentioned, it might have something to do with Avoid the Dreaded G Rating and how PG is typically seen as the "family movie" age rating, with some people forgetting that PG stands for "Parental Guidance" and does allow for some content that may not be suitable for all ages. Also, even the G rating is usually okay with some mild innuendo.
I'll be taking a look at another Radar page shortly.
Cold turkey's getting stale. Tonight I'm eating crow.The pages I previously brought up are currently in the process of being sent to the Cut List, and some examples are being moved to more appropriate places.
Gonna take a look at the Radar page for Robots next. The movie was released in 2005 (I want to say that the movie age rating guidelines were a little less strict then), and is rated PG for "some brief language and suggestive humor", so this alone tells me that the ratings board saw the adult jokes and deemed them okay as long as there was a Content Warning.
One of the opening lines of this page mentions that the film "contains humor so surprisingly raunchy, many wonder if it should have been rated PG-13", which feels a little exaggerated. It's true that this movie contains more Demographically Inappropriate Humor than most animated family films I can think of (and some of the jokes are pretty blatant), but this film is one of my childhood favorites, and the dirty jokes simply went right over my head when I was little.
Similar to what the Radar page for The LEGO Movie said, the opening sentences of this page also mention that the movie could get away with some of its content because the characters were robots as opposed to living things - again, while I suppose I can understand where this is coming from due to tropes like What Measure Is a Non-Human?, I'm still not sure that it's actually true.
- When Rodney meets Fender's crew for the first time, Piper becomes smitten with him instantly, prompting Fender to chastise her:
Fender: What have I always told you? [Ventriloquizes his hand] "Don't talk to strange men." [To his hand] Thank you, Manuel.
- In one scene, Rodney asks, "Who wants to get fixed?" to a group of robots. A robotic dog then covers up its crotch while whimpering.
- Fender tries to get some mail from the mailbox and the mailbox hits Fender for sleeping with his sister. "I recognize the handwriting."
- The hobo robot towards the beginning has a sign that says "Got screwed" with a real screw representing the first five letters of the last word in that sign. The way they hid it from the radar isn't exactly G-rated either: the "screw" in his "got screwed" sign is a giant industrial screw lodged through his head. It turns out to be a fake screw novelty headband.
- Bigweld himself seems to have a thing for oversized robotic rear ends, as he repeatedly comments in the presence of Aunt Fanny. Aunt Fanny even finds out he has a love-making pad in his limousine! No secret that they end up together at the end of the film!
- "Honey? What's that extra piece?" "Oh yeah, they always put in an extra... We did want a boy, right?". The extra piece, which is invisible to audience, is actually a penis. What follows after is Herb whacking the piece into place with a hammer off-screen, which causes endless crying from Rodney. This may be a reference to circumcision.
- Aunt Fanny's emissions are bad enough to straight-up killing someone, as happens to the unfortunate lamp-post robot on the sidewalk outside her house. There's even a chalk outline on the street the next morning.
- Even the Sweepers get into the act. The bumper sticker on one that Fender taunts reads "Like my driving? Call 1-855-Eat-Scrap." Yep, the Sweepers were just as subtle as the rest of the movie.
- The beginning of the movie, while Rodney is being built, has this: "Oh, I'm sorry, honey, you missed the delivery...but it's okay. Making the baby's the fun part." (Cue what the subtitles describe as "sultry saxophone music.")
- Aunt Fanny's name, at least in the UK, where the word 'fanny' is a term for a woman's genitalia. (They did not get that particular piece of crap past the radar for its British release.)
- When Bigweld is storming the Bigweld Industries, a robot, who just exited the bathroom, panics and accidentally goes into the other door on the left, cue a girl's scream. The sign on the door for the ladies' bathroom is an electric socket, and the one for the gentlemen is a plug. Looks awfully reminiscent of something else entirely...
- Tim gets smacked by Fender and lands upside down on his hat. Since he's wearing a robe, it falls down to reveal his privates, cue an audience gasp and a woman fainting at the sight.
- While repairing Fender, Rodney asks about the last time Fender was "oiled".
Fender: Well, can't really answer that with my kid sister right here...
- Madame Gasket telling Ratchet to "grow some bolts".
- If you look at Madame Gasket's forehead you can see that the gears on it look rather...phallic to say the least (if you have a dirty mind). It is safe to assume that it was unintentional.
- This gem from Fender:
Fender: (to Rodney) Come on, you can bunk with me. We'll ignore the gossip.
- Right as Bigweld comes barreling up to the front desk, the receptionist can be heard recommending that her friend use a "Brazilian wax" like she does. Y'know, for getting that extra shine on her chassis. Though, since this is a world full of sentient robots, it could be a different version of the wax, but still.
- After the gang meets Cappy, Aunt Fanny remarks that she used to have a figure like that. Cue everyone glancing over at her trunk.
- In Aunt Fannys Tour Of Booty, Aunt Fanny gets a tattoo of Bigweld that reads "Pimp My Ride" (doubles as a Shout-Out).
Come to think of it, would a DIH subpage for Robots be a good idea? I know some old Radar subpages have gotten similar treatment, such as what's now DemographicallyInappropriateHumour.The Amazing World Of Gumball, and this film seems to have enough examples of DIH to warrant a subpage. Either way, I'm likely going to end up rewriting a few examples (as well as adding a different intro), so once I've got that written I'll post it here first.
I've found a few other Radar pages that I'll also be taking a look at shortly.
Cold turkey's getting stale. Tonight I'm eating crow.I haven't seen Robots but your analysis looks good. There isn't anything there that goes beyond PG (and even fanny wouldn't violate the BBFC's PG rating). By all means reassign what you can.
(Sorry about the delay in responding. Life has been happening).
Ukrainian Red CrossAfter noticing this Radar pothole (bolded for visibility) on Characters.Blues Clues, I've been wondering if Mr. Salt saying "sacré bleu" in "Blue's Big Musical Movie" is a valid example, since the phrase supposedly translates to "dammit" in English.
- Gratuitous French: They both exclaim excerpts in French every so often. Notably, Mr. Salt says "sacre bleu" in "Blue's Big Musical Movie", which literally translates to "dammit" in English.
Edited by ChillyBeanBAM on Nov 16th 2023 at 5:20:20 AM
he/himThat could possibly be a valid example; Blue's Clues is rated TV-Y, and I don't think swear words (even ones as mild as "damn") are allowed under that rating. Not entirely sure what their policy on Foreign Cuss Words are, but I do want to say that is considered a valid way of Getting Crap Past the Radar.
Cold turkey's getting stale. Tonight I'm eating crow.Translating profanity is tricky, since there are shades of intensity; crap and shit both mean faeces, but one is much worse than the other.
Sacré bleu! literally means Holy blue!, and is a minced form of Sacré Dieu!, meaning Holy God!; as such, the correct translation is Oh my gosh!. It's also pretty rare nowadays in French, and is primarily used by English-speakers trying to sound French.
(Google Translate does translate it as dammit, but it also says that merde! means dammit!, and merde actually translated as shit).
In short: No, sacré bleu! is not a curse.
Ukrainian Red CrossYeah, sacré bleu is pretty tame all things considered. It's the equivalent of saying crap or crud rather than shit. Even sacré dieu would probably have been fine since it's just like saying "oh god".
Oissu!and I see now. Thanks, I'll remove the pothole.
he/him
Thank you for your input! I'll admit that I wasn't quite sure about what topics were allowed or not allowed on PBS Kids and TV-Y rated shows, and having a second opinion was helpful. For the examples that could be valid, most of them likely need some rewrites to clarify what exactly got past the radar.
I figured that with a show like this, content like someone dying (especially if it's a main character) would count as Like You Would Really Do It. The "happy ending protocol" I guess I can see as a way to appease the censors, but it's not quite the same as portraying whatever act that would ordinarily be banned - I can see a valid assertion made that even simply implying the act is a little too much for the network, though.
(The reason why I was mentioning that I'm not sure if major things in the storyline can count as Radar was mainly because Laconic.Getting Crap Past The Radar is specifically worded as "A work intentionally sneaks in inappropriate content, hoping it evades the Media Watchdogs", which sort of makes me think of examples like the "Bloody GIR" Freeze Frame Bonuses in Invader Zim - but I suppose that it's possible for a more important plot point to count as well. I've heard that GCPTR is supposed to be going through TRS again sometime soon, so that point may specifically be addressed.)
Cold turkey's getting stale. Tonight I'm eating crow.