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During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.

Specific issues include:

  • Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
  • A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
  • Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
  • Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
  • Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.

It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.

Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:

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What is the Work

Here you briefly describe the work in question and explain any important setting details. Don't assume that everyone is familiar with the work in question.

Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?

This will be the main portion of the Effort Post. Here you list all of the crimes committed by the candidate. For candidates with longer rap sheets, keep the list to their most important and heinous crimes, we don't need to hear about every time they decide to do something minor or petty.

Do they have any Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?

Here you discuss any potential redeeming or sympathetic features the character has, the character's Freudian Excuse if they have one, as well as any other potential mitigating factors like Offscreen Villainy or questions of moral agency. Try to present these as objectively as possible by presenting any evidence that may support or refute the mitigating factors.

Do they meet the Heinousness Standard?

Here you compare the actions of the Candidate to other character actions in the story in order to determine if they stand out or not. Remember that all characters, not just other villains, contribute to the Heinousness Standard

Final Verdict?

Simply state whether or not you think the character counts or not.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM

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#232802: Oct 18th 2020 at 2:51:37 AM

[tup] Veran

Cleaning up Peytraud's entry.

Original:

  • The Serpent and the Rainbow: Dargent Peytraud is the leader of the infamous Haitian Tontons Macoutes death squad and a practitioner of Voodoo who is in charge of keeping the Haitian population in line through terror and torture. He uses a special drug to steal peoples' soul and make them appear dead. The ones who don't suffocate after being buried alive are exhumed and turned into unwilling zombie slaves. When anthropologist Dr. Dennis Alan comes to Haiti to investigate, Peytraud brutally tortures him by hammering a nail into his genitals. He haunts Alan's dreams, filling them with nightmarish visions of the walking dead and later frames him for murder to force him to leave town. Eventually, Peytraud uses his Black Magic to control a woman in order to make her murder Alan. When Allan returns he uses the same trick on his ally to make him decapitate himself and then drugs Alan and places him inside a coffin with a tarantula. When he and Alan finally square off at the end, he tries to perform a human sacrifice on Alan's beloved Michelle by beheading her.

New:

  • The Serpent and the Rainbow: Captain Dargent Peytraud is the leader of the Haitian Tontons Macoutes and a practitioner of Voodoo. To keep Haiti's population in line, he uses a special drug to steal people's souls and make them appear dead. The ones who don't suffocate after being buried alive are exhumed and turned into zombie slaves. When anthropologist Dr. Dennis Alan comes to Haiti to investigate, Peytraud brutally tortures him by hammering a nail into his genitals before haunting Alan's dreams, filling them with nightmarish visions of the walking dead and later frames him for murder to force him to leave town. Eventually, Peytraud uses his magic to control a woman in order to make her murder Alan. When Allan returns he uses the same trick on his ally to make him decapitate himself and then drugs Alan and places him inside a coffin with a tarantula. When he and Alan finally square off at the end, he tries to perform a human sacrifice on Alan's beloved Michelle by beheading her.

Thoughts?

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#232806: Oct 18th 2020 at 4:17:04 AM

What's the change to Peytraud's?

How many votes does Josiane have? And was the EP ever shortened?

Yes to Veran.

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#232807: Oct 18th 2020 at 4:19:13 AM

Axed some redundancies, fixed a couple typos and changed some potholes.

Edited by DemonDuckofDoom on Oct 18th 2020 at 4:19:29 AM

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#232810: Oct 18th 2020 at 4:52:07 AM

[tup] Sam, Veran

Well we’ve had a good run. Now onto my final candidate, a particularly vicious drug dealer from Series 22, Episode 2: “Lift Up Your Hearts”

Who is he?

Ramush, an Ax-Crazy drug dealer, serial rapist, and producer of a particularly horrible illegal drug…

What has he done?

At the beginning of the episode, Ramushs’s main dealer and meth cook blow themselves up using extremely dangerous equipment (that Ramush supplied them with) during drug production. Unable to make more money off his main supply, Ramush meets up with his partner and “pupil” Rudi, whom Ramush mentored and brought into the drug trade. Ramush strong arms him into selling a stupidly lethal and addictive drug called Fentanyl, and tells him to specifically target schools and underage children. He also instructs him to get a gang of black teenagers to sell drugs for them.

Their operation in place, the drug is soon spread around the area with lethal effect. All of a day later two drug addicts consume the fentanyl and immediately suffer the consequences. One dies on a public street whilst the other, a mother of a young girl Ramush knows about (due to her being a repeat customer), almost suffers severe brain damage. Ramush is not only apathetic to the death he has just caused, but is in fact pleased with the potency of the drug.

When Ramush and his new dealers gather at a club to sell the fentanyl, Ramush sees one of the black dealers, Jesse, with his girlfriend, Pamela, who is out partying to celebrate her admission to Oxford University. For no other reason than a laugh, Ramush rolls an utterly lethal amount of his drug into a cigarette and approaches her to offer it, which she accepts and promptly overdoses, expiring later in the hospital in front of her family and boyfriend.

Although only just escaping, Ramush is seemingly unable to keep his sadistic tendencies in check. When the previously mentioned drug addict who had just survived her overdose returns for more, Ramush gives her a large amount once again. This done, Ramush then rapes her unconscious body before throttling her to death with his belt, once again for no reason other than a thrill, leaving her child an orphan. It is then revealed that on top of drug dealing, Ramush is in fact a serial rapist. When drug addicts like her come to him, Ramush takes advantage of their trip to rape them. He has four confirmed victims, but there are hints there may be more as this is established as being normal behaviour for him.

Deciding that the drug dealers he has working for him are more trouble than they are worth after they fail to give him enough money and give him an attitude (which leads to him assaulting Rudi to vent his frustrations), Ramush orders Rudi to kill all three of them. One of them is then stabbed to death in an elevator on his estate, but the two survivors figure out what has happened and decide to get the drop on Ramush and Rudi. Falsely agreeing to meet up with the pair at a seedy restaurant, one of the drug dealers immediately stabs Rudi to death. Enraged at being fooled, Ramush promptly disarms the man and beats him to death with his fists in front of terrified diners whilst Jesse, now the only survivor, makes his escape.

Attempting to track him downi, Ramush finds time beforehand to approach a little girl on the street and pressure her into selling drugs for him, with the implication that he may use the drug on her and rape her as well.

Meeting up with Jesse in a tunnel beneath an estate, Ramush produces the drug and brags about how Jesse could use it to rape anyone he likes. He then falsely offers him a partnership, before seizing him and attempting to force feed him the fentanyl so that he will overdose. When Pamela’s father and brother (who have followed Jesse following his attempt to apologise to them) interrupt him, Ramush produces a knife and attempts to outright murder all three of them, until Jesse lays him out with a pipe and kills him with his own drug.

Heinous Standard?

Ramush mixes violent crimes like almost no other villain in the show, with rape, murder and general horribleness as his way of life. Not only is he attempting to target kids with a horrible drug to get them hooked on it early, he is also a serial rapist as well as committing the majority of his own murders for no other reason than personal enjoyment, with his murder of Pamela in particular standing out as one of the most pointlessly cruel crimes during the shows run. Likewise, sexual crimes like Ramush’s are relatively rare on this show, and Ramush is perhaps the single most prolific rapist the team ever deals with, with him merrily treating the whole thing as “fun”.

Just for contrast, there have indeed been other drug dealers on this show and Ramush beats them all in sheer villainy and how many lines he’s willing to cross, making easily the worst in that particular niche and one of the worst I have seen involved in organised crime in general.

Overall then? I think he easily breaches it.

Redeeming Qualities or Freudian Excuse?

His only potential redeeming quality is his “friendship” with Rudi. He is shown to get along somewhat well with him, and brings up his death to Jesse when attempting to kill him, saying: “You think I don’t know you were there when they stuck Rudi huh? You think I don’t know you were part of it?” Now this may seem to hint at some care when taken at face value, but ultimately I don’t believe this holds up for several reasons:

1. There is a scene between Rudi’s death and when he tries to kill Jesse and Ramush is not even slightly upset at the death of his “friend”, but rather seems to be lamenting his lost source of income, before he sees a kid and tries to intimidate her into selling the drugs. It comes across that he wants to “replace” Rudi as quickly as possible just so he can get his money back.

2. Likewise, when Rudi is knifed Ramush IS angry...because the pair of dealers tricked him and showed him up in front of people, and got rid of a good source of profit for him.

3. But the single most undermining thing though? When Rudi doesn’t come up with enough money, Ramush goes outright Bad Boss on him, punching him multiple times. This firmly establishes that whilst he may well “like” Rudi, he’d better return Ramush’s investment in him… or else.

So ultimately? I don’t think this holds. While he may have “liked” Rudi and showed him the ropes, he seems to view him just as a partner and a source of income more than anything. Other than that? Absolutely nothing.

Conclusion?

A yes for me.

Edited by Atlantis1930 on Oct 18th 2020 at 12:56:15 PM

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#232811: Oct 18th 2020 at 4:53:39 AM

As discussed [tup] to Ramush, perhaps our most diversely nasty candidate.

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#232815: Oct 18th 2020 at 6:22:23 AM

[tup]ramush

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
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#232816: Oct 18th 2020 at 7:29:43 AM

Fallout and Blood Books needs a new image. Third time I'm asking this, and nothing is happening. Can someone do something about this already?

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#232817: Oct 18th 2020 at 7:43:29 AM

[up]Give us an image and something might happen.

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#232818: Oct 18th 2020 at 8:02:38 AM

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  • The unnamed "Staff Leader" of the orphanage the young Miyo Takano was sent to is an ill-tempered authoritarian who punishes a boy for spilling his pen's ink by making him ingest it. When Takano and her friends make an escape attempt from his cruel establishment, he has her friend and the ringleader, Eriko, sent to the chicken coop to be pecked to death. Takano herself doesn't fare much better, as the head forces her to clean a filthy outhouse with her tongue. Though merely a flashback character, it was the orphanage head's horrific cruelties that broke Takano into becoming the psychotic, villainous woman she is now.
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  • Hell Fire (2012-2015) has these two children of Satan:
    • The Antichrist is the proud son of Satan who plans to become President of the United States and kickstart Armageddon to wipe out humanity and make their souls the Devil's slaves as a way to spite God. Since he can't kill the unborn Messiah, the son of God who has the power to stop him, the Anti-Christ attempts to make a deal with the pimp Dark Gable to have him kill the Messiah's mother Marisol in exchange for power. After getting kidnapped by Rosetta and the prostitutes, the Anti-Christ uses his telepathy and charm to break the prostitutes' minds by exploiting their traumatic memories, killing one named Cinnamon to act as his undead slave, and forcing them to fight their literal inner demons. Getting Rosetta to join his side, the Anti-Christ resurrects the people Rosetta killed to murder the pregnant Marisol and the unborn Messiah.
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Edited by ACW on Oct 18th 2020 at 3:55:32 PM

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#232820: Oct 18th 2020 at 8:36:41 AM

[tup] Ramush.

Also, ACW, in the N. Tropys entry, there is one spelling error with the second time, the alternate N. Tropy, is stated. You wrote he instead of the. Just felt like you should know.

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#232823: Oct 18th 2020 at 9:07:47 AM

For Sam Deercot, pothole suggestions: replace the Big Bad pothole in his name with Villain Protagonist (since he is basically the focus of the videos aside from Eric), pothole “allowing his audience to influence whether he lives or dies” to Deadly Game, and “murder of his parents” with Self-Made Orphan.

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#232825: Oct 18th 2020 at 9:41:27 AM

I've finished The Heroes of Olympus not too long ago; has Octavian been discussed on here before?

This kid is a serious piece of work.


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