Unilateral Changes Cleanup

So for as long as I can remember, Captain Space, Defender of Earth! was about a very specific stock parody kind of character, and there was discussion about how the subject of said parodies didn't really exist, with the actual classic space heroes being somewhat different. When I wiki-walked to it today, though, the description seems to have been rewritten to much more of a "generalized space hero" trope, it now claims it's been falsely accused of being a Dead Unicorn Trope, and a lot of those classic characters are now actually listed as examples. Looking through the history this seems to have been done quite a while back in 2020 by someone named Hello Lamppost (who's also responsible for the majority of edits in the more recent history), but there is no edit reason for what looks a lot like completely redefining the trope.

Edited by nrjxll on Jun 4th 2023 at 8:13:03 AM

Not sure if they have sources to add it, but forgot to put a reason. Unless ~Hello Lamppost still remembers the reasoning on why it's not a Dead Unicorn Trope.

I mean, the reasoning is in the rewritten description - there's characters out there like Dan Dare and Captain Future who were legitimate non-parodic examples even back during the golden age of pulp science fiction - but I'm not convinced they're quite the same thing. And regardless given that the trope was clearly defined before as specifically about a type of stock parody, completely redefining it without discussion does not seem okay.

True. Revert those examples if you can while also referring to this thread.

It was originally described as a Dead Unicorn trope, meaning that there were no actual original characters of the sort that modern uses of the tropes appeared to he referencing. Since this is not true, I corrected it. I did not ask permission because it did not occur to me that correcting an apparent honest mistake would be controversial.

However, if you would like to create a separate trope for straight examples and leave Captain Space exclusively for parodies, that's fine with me. Just please do not put back the claim that it is a Dead Unicorn Trope, because that is not true.

Your explanations are valid; maybe a straight example would do if we discuss it.

You literally singlehandedly redefined an entire trope without any sort of discussion. I'm really concerned that you thought this would ever be okay just because it was "correcting errors" when this is a collaborative site.

Honestly, I'd be open to TLPing a "Classic Space Hero" trope for the characters like Captain Future, but Captain Space, Defender of Earth! has always been about a fairly specific type of parody.

Okay then. Classic Space Hero sounds like a good name. Is the correct next step the YKTTW forum?

Trope Launch Pad, but yes.

I'm planning on adding headers to all of the Works with Trope Subpages, which also feature labelnotes to add the many individual trope subpages to the headers without making the header take up too much space.

If I hear no objections to these by September 21st, then I'll go ahead in implementing them.

Edited by Lapsem on Sep 8th 2023 at 9:20:14 AM

Looks good. Much more cohesive in my part.

Edited by alnair20aug93 on Sep 12th 2023 at 3:13:01 AM

Looks good, but I would suggest an ATT post linking here to get more feedback/consensus if you're planning on putting these on all of those pages.

Folks, those subpage headers aren't going to go up today, as I haven't yet been able to get a crowner created to get complete approval for the headers.

Crossposting from this thread. I wonder if these shoehorns from Four-Temperament Ensemble are unilateral. The website sourced is kinda sketchy.

Folks, ~True Genesis 24 has taken to adding episode headers to the Doctor Who recap pages, starting with Series 1 and the 2023 specials. I've had the idea to do this for some time with my own design for the headers, but wanted to see what the people here thought of it. I've also asked TrueGenesis24 if I could do this, and they said yes.

Take these two examples, for "The Empty Child":

In the meantime, I still haven't figured out how to make an ATT post linking here, or to gather consensus for doing this change or the headers-change from before.

Honestly, your version is better than mine.

A third header-proposition, this time for Mystery Science Theater 3000 episode recap pages. They'd look just like the ones I have proposed for Doctor Who, as shown in this example for "The Rebel Set":

If nobody objects to any of these proposals three in three days' time, then I request that a Crowner be made to come to a final decision about them.

Another header-proposition, for all of the episodes of Blake's 7.

That looks nice and organized.

There's more still where that came from.

Someone turned VideoGame.Harvest Moon into a disambiguation page seemingly without discussion (if there was, it wasn't linked in the edit reason), gutting most of the page in the process. Should this be reverted?

If there was no discussion, then yes.

If that's the case, since they also removed the page from every index it was on, I'm requesting a mod revert for the following pages:

• VideoGame.Harvest Moon to this edit
• Dating Sim to this edit
• Eastern RPG to this edit
• Farm Life Sim to this edit
• Japanese Games to this edit
• Simulation Game to this edit
• Creator.Natsume to this edit

Seems this was discussed on an ATT, but forgot to leave an edit reason.