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  • Does Not Like Shoes was renamed to Prefers Going Barefoot and rewritten to focus on characters who explicitly dislike wearing shoes, and the old name was disambiguated. Move examples that fit at least one of the tropes accordingly if possible, and remove other examples and ZCEs.

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This OP is written by Acebrock and Zerukin.

This trope, based on the description is much broader than the name would suggest, being just about characters that go about barefoot a lot of the time, rather than explicitely disliking wearing shoes. The wick check suggests that that's mostly how it's being used as well. Thing is, that's pretty damn chairsy, don't you think?

At minimum this needs a redefinition, if it can even be salvaged. Cutting and yarding a trope about a character specifically disliking shoes is also a solid option, considering just how extensive the misuse is. As a third option, disambiguating between the subtropes listed on the page could be considered.

Wick check:

    Description offering reason why a character might go barefoot 1/ 59 
  • (Handy Feet, description) Expect this character to be the kind of individual who goes barefoot so as to keep their feet from being restrained.

    Character tends to go barefoot without any deeper meaning offered 30/ 59 

    Implicit or explicit preference to stop wearing shoes 8/ 59 

    ZCE 3/ 59 

    Character lacks shoes but not other footwear 3/ 59 

    All over the place 1/ 59 

    Speculative on reason 2/ 59 

    Cannot wear shoes for some reason 3/ 59 

    Shoes are impractical in the situation 1/ 59 

    Non-notable aversion 1/ 59 

    Lack of shoes is a plot point 1/ 59 

    Sinkhole 2/ 59 
Sinkhole bolded for convenience

    JFF 3/ 59 

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jul 23rd 2023 at 4:10:47 AM

amathieu13 Since: Aug, 2013
#51: Jun 18th 2023 at 8:43:19 AM

[up]No, if we disambig this trope there'd be no parent trope for them to be "more specific" of. They'd just be tropes that track a single pattern of meaning rather than a trope that's trying to track multiple different patterns of meaning as you're suggesting. Compare what happened to Knife Nut, i.e. it was disambig'd with the specific meaningful patterns broken off into Devious Daggers and Psycho Knife Nut.

Edited by amathieu13 on Jun 18th 2023 at 11:48:11 AM

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#52: Jun 18th 2023 at 9:20:05 AM

To elaborate on that, disambiguating or redirecting to an index would mean it stops being a trope, just as if we did a full-fledged cut, but without breaking inbounds, and with a list of links to tropes that might fit better instead of a Red Link.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jun 18th 2023 at 11:22:13 AM

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#53: Jun 18th 2023 at 10:13:44 AM

Some of the confusion seems to stem from the contradictory description, which states this is about a character who tries to avoid shoes for some reason. Later, there's the long paragraph beginning with "Finally" that goes into all the ways being unshod isn't a preference but just a thing that arises from certain physical circumstances.

Also, it spends some time on the existence of preference, which likely contributed to the 30 "character does this" wicks.

My vote is to disambig while sorting uses of barefootedness not covered by other tropes for potential TLP-ing.

Edited by Tabs on Jun 18th 2023 at 10:16:19 AM

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#55: Jun 18th 2023 at 12:08:39 PM

I agree that as it's currently written it's too broad and it'd be best to be disambiguated or split into other tropes, especially since so many more specific ones already exist.

However, I also feel the Prefers To Go Barefoot trope idea has merit, as long as it focuses on a character explicitly choosing to go barefoot when they can because they find footwear restricting. As mentioned by Macron, it's more similar to the Never Bareheaded trope (which doesn't conflict with other headwear tropes). But it should be a split and rework, rather than a rename of Does Not Like Shoes.

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#56: Jun 18th 2023 at 12:12:17 PM

That can be attempted freely in the TLP if this gets removed. In fact it'd be better off as a fresh start.

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#57: Jun 18th 2023 at 12:50:07 PM

[up] Sandbox.Eschews Shoes or something like that would be useful for locating examples while cleaning.

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#58: Jun 18th 2023 at 1:49:46 PM

Since there was at least one cut vote, a full-fledged cut is not on the table because this has 77,806 inbounds, so any cut votes will be counted as votes to disambiguate for the sake of preserving those inbounds.

This isn't a problem or anything. This post is just for transparency's sake regarding what's on the table and what isn't, as well as a heads up regarding how deprecating the page will be handled (and how it won't be handled) if we end up deprecating it.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jun 18th 2023 at 3:53:07 AM

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#59: Jun 18th 2023 at 5:33:37 PM

Regardless of what will happen with this trope, that's going to be a very long wick cleanup

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#60: Jun 18th 2023 at 5:36:47 PM

Eh, we have cleaned up tropes just as big many times in the past. 3k wicks isn't actually that much to me. It's something that can be done in a month or so if people keep at it.

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#61: Jun 18th 2023 at 5:38:20 PM

Yeah, that's 77k inbounds, not wicks.

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#62: Jun 18th 2023 at 6:45:03 PM

I mean there was a time where having lesbians in school was notable (and to some extent it still is) but That didn't make Schoolgirl Lesbians a meaningful trope in itself and that's why it was disambiguated.

Bit of a nitpick, but as someone involved in that thread, we actually disambiguated Schoolgirl Lesbians because it wasn't about lesbians in school but the name was misleading people into assuming it was. It was actually intended to be a combination of what's now Gay Romantic Phase and Pseudo-Romantic Friendship.

And actually, I think that's relevant here, because while there's absolutely tropeworthy concepts about why a character is characteristically barefoot, the current name is so broad that I can't really blame people for just using it as literally any character who doesn't wear shoes.

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#63: Jun 19th 2023 at 4:53:57 AM

So, are these our options?

Did I miss anything?

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#66: Jun 19th 2023 at 6:58:14 AM

My previous post was to get second opinions on whether to make a crowner now because I didn't want to jump the gun. Since I got feedback, it's hooked.

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#67: Jun 19th 2023 at 7:35:35 AM

You would think that the name "Does Not Like Shoes" would be sufficient to make clear that this is intended to be a persistent character trait, and not just any instance where a character is incidentally barefoot. You would think that.

Anyway, our five-minute take is "not wearing shoes signifies something but we have individual tropes for that, disambig".

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#68: Jun 19th 2023 at 8:52:09 AM

I still do think the name "Does Not Like Shoes" is self-explanatory. I say just redefine it as a character preferring to go barefoot. No need to rename as any possible name would just be a rewording of the current name.

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#69: Jun 19th 2023 at 8:53:30 AM

That's basically what the trope already is though. The first paragraph says as much.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jun 19th 2023 at 11:54:03 AM

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#70: Jun 19th 2023 at 10:28:29 AM

I mean, yeah it signifies that a character doesn't like shoes. It doesn't signify that it's any deeper than that, or even that there needs to be a reason at all.

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#71: Jun 19th 2023 at 12:58:15 PM

[up][up][up] It certainly sounds self-explanatory! Doesn't stop people from misusing it, somehow.

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#72: Jun 19th 2023 at 1:08:12 PM

Noting here that I voted in favor of a disambig and against a rename per the arguments in favor of a disambig.

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#75: Jun 19th 2023 at 6:16:02 PM

The way I see it, all that needs to be done is clean up examples that are just "[character] doesn't wear shoes" to focus on characters who are stated in the story as preferring being barefoot. Why do so many people want to disambiguate?

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Trope Repair Shop: DoesNotLikeShoes rename crowner
25th Jun '23 4:22:03 AM

Crown Description:

This crowner has decided to rewrite Does Not Like Shoes to focus on characters who explicitly dislike wearing shoes and to rename the trope. What should the new name be?

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