To-do list:
- Does Not Like Shoes was renamed to Prefers Going Barefoot and rewritten to focus on characters who explicitly dislike wearing shoes, and the old name was disambiguated. Move examples that fit at least one of the tropes accordingly if possible, and remove other examples and ZCEs.
- Clean up wicks. Examples pertaining to martial artists can go to Barefoot Martial Artist
This trope, based on the description is much broader than the name would suggest, being just about characters that go about barefoot a lot of the time, rather than explicitely disliking wearing shoes. The wick check suggests that that's mostly how it's being used as well. Thing is, that's pretty damn chairsy, don't you think?
At minimum this needs a redefinition, if it can even be salvaged. Cutting and yarding a trope about a character specifically disliking shoes is also a solid option, considering just how extensive the misuse is. As a third option, disambiguating between the subtropes listed on the page could be considered.
Wick check:
- (Handy Feet, description) Expect this character to be the kind of individual who goes barefoot so as to keep their feet from being restrained.
- (Characters.Bloodborne Secondary Characters) Does Not Like Shoes: Although not apparent, the guide shows that Iosefka goes barefoot. So does her impostor. Which is odd, considering the female version of the White Church outfit that the player can wear has white boots/shoes with it. Data mining reveals that the version of the outfit that Iosefka wears is a unique variant without the boots.
- (Characters.Bram Stokers Dracula) Does Not Like Shoes: They are all barefoot.
- (Characters.Dot Flow) Does Not Like Shoes: Never seen wearing shoes, going around the seafloor in her bare feet.
- (Characters.Dragon Ball GT Villains) Does Not Like Shoes: Constantly barefoot.
- (Characters.Final Fantasy VII Remake Other Characters) Does Not Like Shoes: She is barefoot.
- (Characters.God Of War Series Norse Monsters) Does Not Like Shoes: They don't have any footwear whatsoever. Granted, it's not needed seeing as they hover above the ground.
- (Characters.Ico) Does Not Like Shoes: Yorda is never seen having shoes on.
- (Characters.Isuca) Does Not Like Shoes: She's barefoot in every one of her appearances.
- (Characters.Planescape Torment) Does Not Like Shoes: She's always seen without shoes... except in some official art, curiously.
- (Characters.Re Zero Witch Cult Does Not Like Shoes: Her human form doesn't wear shoes.
- (Characters.Remnant From The Ashes) Does Not Like Shoes: Despite being in the winter realm of Reisum and its unending ice fields, she's always barefoot.
- (Characters.Rosengarten Saga) Does Not Like Shoes: She seems content to traipse about barefoot.
- (Characters.Samurai Warriors 1) Does Not Like Shoes: She's barefoot in both of her alternate outfits.
- (Characters.The King Of Fighters XI) Does Not Like Shoes: She is barefoot at all times, even when not fighting. Combined with her baggy pants, it gives her a down-to-earth fighter appeal.
- (Characters.The Kurosagi Corpse Delivery Service) Does Not Like Shoes: As a little boy in the backstory, Yaichi is never seen with shoes.
- (Characters.Titan Souls) Does Not Like Shoes: The protagonist is barefoot the entire game.
- (Characters.Viva Pinata Helpful Characters) Does Not Like Shoes: Always barefoot.
- (Creator.Beth Behrs) Does Not Like Shoes: She frequently appears barefoot in her acting roles and on social media, namely when earthing or performing yoga.
- (DarthWiki.A Tale Of Heroes) Does Not Like Shoes: Is barefoot most of the time.
- (Fanfic.Total Drama Tween Throwdown) Does Not Like Shoes: A select few have rid themselves of their footwear.
- (InkSuitActor.Disney) In Zootopia: Gazelle is Shakira as a gazelle. Both of them are pop stars, have blonde curly hair, broad hips, and wear similar outfits. The only difference being Gazelle wears shoes and Shakira Does Not Like Shoes, ironic as Gazelle is essentially one of the few characters to wear shoes in the film.
- (Manga.Kamisama Kiss) Does Not Like Shoes: When he's not posing as a human, Tomoe nearly always goes barefoot.
- (Manga.School Mermaid) Does Not Like Shoes: The Mermaids do not wear any sort of footwear and go barefoot all the time. Any human that becomes a Mermaid lost their shoes when they transformed.
- (Music.Celtic Woman) Does Not Like Shoes: Máiréad N. has been known to perform at lease one solo number barefoot. See "Granuaile's Dance" from the A New Journey concert.
- (Recap.Star Trek S 3 E 20 The Way To Eden) Does Not Like Shoes: Dr. Sevrin and the space hippies. At one point, Scotty even disparages them as "barefooted watchacallens."
- (VideoGame.Killer 7) Does Not Like Shoes: Kaede Smith never uses shoes or boots when you're playing as her. This is the reason why her nickname as part of the Killer 7 is "Barefoot", and Iwazaru always refers to her this way.
- (VideoGame.The Legend Of Zelda Majoras Mask) Does Not Like Shoes: A number of characters. The Rosa Sisters, Kamaro, and Guru-Guru come to mind.
- (VisualNovel.Saya No Uta) Does Not Like Shoes: Saya is always barefoot.
- (WebVideo.Manatee Girl The Movie) Does Not Like Shoes: Manatee Girl does not like shoes. Or sports bras.
- (WesternAnimation.Inside Out) Does Not Like Shoes: Joy (as well as everyone else's Joys, it seems) goes barefoot, though she doesn't really have toes. As a toddler, Riley is also usually barefoot.
- (Naruto the Movie: Road to Ninja) Does Not Like Shoes: Sakura is apparently really eager to ditch her shoes when she's at home, so much that she never sets them neatly by the entrance to her house when she takes them off. Her mother complains about this in front of a crowd, embarrassing her daughter. Once Sakura learns she has a place to herself in the alternate universe and remembers her mother nagging her, she gleefully kicks her boots off and leaves them where they fall, then cheerfully runs into her empty house barefooted.
- (Characters.PHD Does Not Like Shoes: As the hippie-esque Soapbox Sadie of the comic, she originally wore sandals, but switched to going totally barefoot once Art Evolution set in. Borderline
- (Film.The Birdcage) Does Not Like Shoes: Agador. He claims they "make [him] fall down." And they do, at least once. Borderline
- (Music.Kacey Musgraves) Does Not Like Shoes: She loves being barefoot and exhibits this by doffing her shoes at most if not all of her concerts.
- (Battle Circuit) Does Not Like Shoes:
- Yellow Iris. Similar to Felicia, her feet are too big for shoes and make it uncomfortable to wear.
- The Master Program is also barefoot, but then again he is probably not dressed at all.
- (VideoGame.Ghost Trick) Does Not Like Shoes:
- The Police Chief, of all people. Apparently he has itchy toes.
- The park's guardian, which is more believable since he's a hippie and all...
- (VideoGame.Tak And The Power Of Juju) Does Not Like Shoes: Practically all the characters are barefoot. Completely justified, due to the fact they are indigenous tribespeople.
- (VisualNovel.Yosuga No Sora) Does Not Like Shoes: Sora almost always goes barefoot indoors, removing her socks along with her shoes, because she likes to flex her toes.
- (Characters.Bailey School Kids) Does Not Like Shoes Found commented out
- (Film.Splash) Does Not Like Shoes: Madison, despite acquiring shoes not long after finding Allen. Found commented out
- (VideoGame.Shaq Fu) Does Not Like Shoes: Voodoo.
- (Characters.Fatal Fury 2) Does Not Like Shoes: Mai's footwear in her ninja outfit consists solely of instep guards and tabi socks. This is taken a step further in Fatal Fury 3 and Real Bout Fatal Fury, where she lacks the socks.
- (Film.Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles) Does Not Like Shoes: Unlike his brothers, Raphael is barefoot, wearing only some ankle wraps. It fits his theme of being the strongest and most martially minded.
- (WesternAnimation.The New Adventures Of Peter Pan) Does Not Like Shoes: Tinkerbell wears leaves around her ankles, but goes barefoot. Since she's nearly always in the air, she doesn't really need to wear shoes.
- (Characters.Fatal Fury Geese Howard) Does Not Like Shoes: Downplayed. He does wear shoes when he's in a formal suit. He wears tabi when he's in his gi, symbolizing his fascination with Japanese culture. His Nightmare Geese skin has him barefoot.
- (Characters.Log Horizon Log Horizon) Does Not Like Shoes: He can be seen barefoot outside while relaxing from time to time. This carries its own meaning when considering his past life as a paraplegic, as he would be unable to feel anything through his feet back then; having recovered the ability in Elder Tale, it is likely he is relishing on it that way.
- (Literature.Man Eaters Of Zamboula) Does Not Like Shoes: Aside from nude, Zabibi goes through the story in bare feet, presumably because, just like the rest of clothing, she is accustomed to be that way due to her work as a dancer.
- (Characters.Ru Pauls Drag Race) Does Not Like Shoes: The uniform for a pit crew member is just a pair of tight briefs, no shoes allowed!
- (Darthwiki.The Cryptids 1/2) Does Not Like Shoes: Most Bigfoot-type cryptids. Justified because they can't find shoes that fit them.
- (Darthwiki.The Cryptids 2/2) Cannot Wear Shoes: It's not that she doesn't like them but being a Sasquatch, she can't find any in her size.
- (Film.Cube 2 Hypercube) Does Not Like Shoes: Julia, who is barefoot for nearly all the movie. Justified, as wearing dress sandals in her situation is not practical.
- (Film.Purple Sunset) Does Not Like Shoes: Averted. Yang was rescued by Soviet soldiers without shoes so they give him a pair of boots.
- (Psych S 03 E 13 Any Given Friday Night At 10 PM 9 PM Central) Does Not Like Shoes: Vlad didn’t, and the scarring on his feet is what lets Shawn figure out who he was when his severed foot turns up.
- In the Tangled: The Series episode "The Way of the Willow", Rapunzel meets her maternal aunt Willow for the first time and discovers they have many things in common: they both enjoy painting, going on adventures, and running around barefoot.
- Alternatively, multiple candidates will become recurring characters throughout the series, none confirmed as the Joker, but all featuring some of his aliases, like Sonny, Jack, and Joe. All will be affiliated with the Red Hood gang, and the gang itself will act as the main Joker tease.
- What's more, each of these candidates could embody a different incarnation of the Joker. For example: a seemingly (but not in any way) harmless prankster with a mustache, a narcissistic gangster-type and Mad Artist, an energetic martial artist with a crazy hairstyle who complains that his shoes are too tight, a cynical anarchist with messy hair and noticeable scars, a Large Ham who likes to make bad puns and mentions having a girlfriend, I can go on all day.
- (Pantheon.Boss Fights N To Z) Marshal: Fighting-type specialist, Big Ol' Eyebrows, driven by strength, always barefoot, Sleeves Are for Wimps, wandered the planet before being invted to the Elite Four
- (TheProblemWithPenIsland.A To M 1/2) Doe Snot Likes Hoes (Prostitutes are advised to avoid cold-stricken female deer for this reason.)
- (TheProblemWithPenIsland.A To M 2/2) Does Not Like S Hoes (Someone hates prostitutes with names beginning with S.)
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jul 23rd 2023 at 4:10:47 AM
To elaborate on that, disambiguating or redirecting to an index would mean it stops being a trope, just as if we did a full-fledged cut, but without breaking inbounds, and with a list of links to tropes that might fit better instead of a Red Link.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jun 18th 2023 at 11:22:13 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.Some of the confusion seems to stem from the contradictory description, which states this is about a character who tries to avoid shoes for some reason. Later, there's the long paragraph beginning with "Finally" that goes into all the ways being unshod isn't a preference but just a thing that arises from certain physical circumstances.
Also, it spends some time on the existence of preference, which likely contributed to the 30 "character does this" wicks.
My vote is to disambig while sorting uses of barefootedness not covered by other tropes for potential TLP-ing.
Edited by Tabs on Jun 18th 2023 at 10:16:19 AM
I agree that as it's currently written it's too broad and it'd be best to be disambiguated or split into other tropes, especially since so many more specific ones already exist.
However, I also feel the Prefers To Go Barefoot trope idea has merit, as long as it focuses on a character explicitly choosing to go barefoot when they can because they find footwear restricting. As mentioned by Macron, it's more similar to the Never Bareheaded trope (which doesn't conflict with other headwear tropes). But it should be a split and rework, rather than a rename of Does Not Like Shoes.
That can be attempted freely in the TLP if this gets removed. In fact it'd be better off as a fresh start.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure PurenessSandbox.Eschews Shoes or something like that would be useful for locating examples while cleaning.
Vehicle-Based Characterization | Grief-Induced Split | Locker MailSince there was at least one cut vote, a full-fledged cut is not on the table because this has 77,806 inbounds, so any cut votes will be counted as votes to disambiguate for the sake of preserving those inbounds.
This isn't a problem or anything. This post is just for transparency's sake regarding what's on the table and what isn't, as well as a heads up regarding how deprecating the page will be handled (and how it won't be handled) if we end up deprecating it.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jun 18th 2023 at 3:53:07 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.Regardless of what will happen with this trope, that's going to be a very long wick cleanup
Eh, we have cleaned up tropes just as big many times in the past. 3k wicks isn't actually that much to me. It's something that can be done in a month or so if people keep at it.
Macron's notesYeah, that's 77k inbounds, not wicks.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure PurenessBit of a nitpick, but as someone involved in that thread, we actually disambiguated Schoolgirl Lesbians because it wasn't about lesbians in school but the name was misleading people into assuming it was. It was actually intended to be a combination of what's now Gay Romantic Phase and Pseudo-Romantic Friendship.
And actually, I think that's relevant here, because while there's absolutely tropeworthy concepts about why a character is characteristically barefoot, the current name is so broad that I can't really blame people for just using it as literally any character who doesn't wear shoes.
So, are these our options?
- Rewrite to focus on a character who's stated/shown to prefer to be barefoot.
- If the trope is rewritten, rename.
- Disambiguate between Barefoot Loon, Earthy Barefoot Character, Barefoot Poverty, and possibly other tropes.
Did I miss anything?
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.Crowner then ?
My previous post was to get second opinions on whether to make a crowner now because I didn't want to jump the gun. Since I got feedback, it's hooked.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.You would think that the name "Does Not Like Shoes" would be sufficient to make clear that this is intended to be a persistent character trait, and not just any instance where a character is incidentally barefoot. You would think that.
Anyway, our five-minute take is "not wearing shoes signifies something but we have individual tropes for that, disambig".
Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.I still do think the name "Does Not Like Shoes" is self-explanatory. I say just redefine it as a character preferring to go barefoot. No need to rename as any possible name would just be a rewording of the current name.
Keet cleanupThat's basically what the trope already is though. The first paragraph says as much.
Edited by MacronNotes on Jun 19th 2023 at 11:54:03 AM
Macron's notesI mean, yeah it signifies that a character doesn't like shoes. It doesn't signify that it's any deeper than that, or even that there needs to be a reason at all.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure PurenessIt certainly sounds self-explanatory! Doesn't stop people from misusing it, somehow.
Trouble Cube continues to be a general-purpose forum for those who desire such a thing.Noting here that I voted in favor of a disambig and against a rename per the arguments in favor of a disambig.
TRS Queue | Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining | Troper WallThe way I see it, all that needs to be done is clean up examples that are just "[character] doesn't wear shoes" to focus on characters who are stated in the story as preferring being barefoot. Why do so many people want to disambiguate?
Keet cleanup
Crown Description:
This crowner has decided to rewrite Does Not Like Shoes to focus on characters who explicitly dislike wearing shoes and to rename the trope. What should the new name be?
No, if we disambig this trope there'd be no parent trope for them to be "more specific" of. They'd just be tropes that track a single pattern of meaning rather than a trope that's trying to track multiple different patterns of meaning as you're suggesting. Compare what happened to Knife Nut, i.e. it was disambig'd with the specific meaningful patterns broken off into Devious Daggers and Psycho Knife Nut.
Edited by amathieu13 on Jun 18th 2023 at 11:48:11 AM