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To-do list:

  • Consensus was to broaden the trope to be about stereotypical Asian store owners in general, even if they aren't violently protective, as mentioned in the third paragraph of this post (referred to in the post as the "widespread [stereotype]" of "South/Southeast/Central Asian convenience store owner[s]"), and transplant examples of racist store owners to Profiling.

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Note: This thread was proposed by The Mayor of Simpleton.

The problem: Asian Store-Owner is a trope about Asian store owners who are violently protective of their store. Per the description:

Oh, you know the Asian person owns the store. They care about the money in the till. If they did not own the place, you and your gun could just have it. They do, though, so they'll either blow your head off if you try anything, or force you to do the same to them. All while speaking in a ludicrous and hilarious accent.

I brought this to Trope Talk as well to confirm the definition, and indeed that's what it was deemed to be.

Unfortunately, the name is very vague, and does not describe the "violent" part of the trope well at all. As part of my project to reduce the backlog of Tropes Needing TRS (where this was listed), I decided to do a wick check.

Wick check: Link here, but here's the quick results:

  • 3/50 examples were correctly used, dealing with a violently protective Asian store owner, or 6%
  • 9/50 examples were about the stereotype of Asians being store owners, or 18%
  • 20/50 examples, as written, were just store owners who happened to be Asian, or 40%
  • 15/50 examples were zero-context, unclear, or other, or 30%, and
  • 3/50 examples were unclassifiable, or 6%

Analysis: Alright, so just 6% correct examples is pretty bad, and the large number of examples that, as written, were store owners who happen to be Asian, along with Zero-Context Examples, indicate that most of the usage isn't salvageable. However, 18% of the examples dealt with a specific stereotype that store owners tend to be Asian (like Apu from The Simpsons), and some examples dealt with Asian store owners who were rude, but not violent.

Possible solutions: So here's what I was thinking. I genuinely think the Asian Store Owner Stereotype might be tropable on its own, so if we can hash out the specifics of that trope, that's what this could be turned into. We could then just clean out the rest of the use, and TBH I think a specifically violently protective Asian store owner stereotype is too strict. So yeah, rework into Asian Store Owner Stereotype. If that isn't a valid concept, we could just disambiguate this trope or even cut it, since the correct use is so low.

What does everyone else think? Any other ideas or suggestions?

Wick check:

Here a wick check will be performed for Asian Store-Owner.

Why?: This trope is, per the description and Laconic, supposed to be about Asian store owners who are "violently protective of their store", to quote the Laconic. Or maybe it's about most store owners being Asian, since the description mentions that too. Check for both, along with "any Asian store owner".

Wicks checked: 50/50

Wick totals:

  • 3/50 examples were correctly used, dealing with a violently protective Asian store owner, or 6%
  • 9/50 examples were about the stereotype of Asians being store owners, or 18%
  • 20/50 examples, as written, were just store owners who happened to be Asian, or 40%
  • 15/50 examples were zero-context, unclear, or other, or 30%, and
  • 3/50 examples were unclassifiable, or 6%


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    Correct use (Asian store owner who is violently protective of store) (3/50) 
  1. Characters.Jackie Chan Adventures The Chan Clan: Very protective of his antiques, and has the skills to back it up. Seems to be correct—an Asian store owner who is willing to use violence to protect his store.
  2. Film.The Ladykillers 2004: The introduction to the General shows him, rather brutally, foiling a hold-up in his shop. Seems to be correct.
  3. VideoGame.Leisure Suit Larry 1 In The Land Of The Lounge Lizards: The store owner from Quiki Mart speaks with an Asian accent (stuff like "Lubber" instead of "Rubber") and if you try to shoplift from him, he will shoot you. Correct.

    Stereotype of Asians specifically being store owners (9/50) 
  1. YMMV.Jeff Foxworthy: In one skit, he asks the crowd if they have "Abduls" working in their 7-Elevens, and then wonders if 7-Elevens in the Middle East have American workers. Later on, he adds ableist humor to the pile with "it's like a midget using mouthwash; who would know?" References the stereotype of Asians being store owners specifically.
  2. Literature.Contes De La Rue Broca: One recurring character is Papa Saïd, an Arab grocer (a famous stereotype of a shopkeeper in France). His eldest daughter, Nadia, is a protagonist of the first story and his youngest son, Bachir, goes to save her from the witch. He also has two twin daughters, Rachida and Malika, who are involved with the Clever Little Pig. References the stereotype of Asians being store owners specifically..
  3. NationalStereotypes.Asia:
    • In most of Northern Europe, the convenience-store owner who would be Asian in an American or British production will be an immigrant Turk (usually, though "generic Middle East" is gaining traction). Impressive facial hair is optional, shouty voice, huge gestures and Flowery Insults are not. No mention of wanting to violently protect their store.
    • Jobwise South Asians come in two types. The successful and academic types are typically Doctor, Scientists, Lawyers sometimes classy business tycoons or Politicians. If they are on the lower end of the economic ladder, expect them to be the Asian Store-Owner or a taxi driver (sometimes other types of driver) or Resturant/cafe/food worker.
    • Asian Store-Owner: Asians will be owners of grocery stores. All three reference the stereotype of Asians being store owners.
  4. Trivia.The Office USS 1 E 2 Diversity Day: Some extra back-and-forth after Kelly slaps Michael, including Michael comparing his Asian Store-Owner imitation to "Don Rickles on acid", and Jim, noting Michael's forehead card, asking why Kelly slapped Martin Luther King Jr. Seems to be referencing the stereotype of an Asian store owner.
  5. Creator.The Capitol Steps: One skit had a character proclaim "If you do not stop making fun of Pakistani people, we will be forced to do something drastic. We will close every 7-Eleven in your country!!" Seems to be a reference to the stereotype.
  6. Characters.Pulp Fiction: This trope is discussed by him in the film's opening conversation; he laments about how knocking over convenience stores has become nearly impossible, since many such store owners don't speak enough English to understand "Open the fucking register!" Seems to be referring to the stereotype? Still misuse though, as violence isn't mentioned.
  7. TheArtifact.The Simpsons: Apu was created to be a stereotype of the ethnic store clerk, and in many respects, it was Fair for Its Day—Apu was a relatable, fleshed-out character with a realistic, down-to-earth backstory. This excerpt, and the entry surrounding it, discuss the stereotype, but not the trope.
  8. WebVideo.Where The Bears Are: The clerk at the Stockroom seems to be this... at first. It turns out that she is a Dominatrix who manhandles the bears and chides Nelson for falling for the Asian stereotype act. References the stereotype.
  9. Music.Anal Cunt: Asians Eat Pets: Asians are not spared from Putnam's wrath: one of their songs is titled "I Sold Your Dog to a Chinese Restaurant", while "You Own a Store" contains the line "Hide your dogs, hide your cats". References the stereotype.

    Any Asian store owner with no other implications (20/50) 
  1. Film.Bait 3 D: The supermarket owner is Chinese, but apparently second-generation or later since there's no accent. Just an Asian store owner with no other references.
  2. Series.Coronation Street: Not much was done to remedy this until well into The '90s. When the producers remedied this by having the Desai family take over the corner shop However they mostly failed to click with audiences or the rest of the cast and were soon replaced with their cousin Dev Alahan who has been with the show ever since. Later joined by the Nazirs, who run the community centre or work at the factory, bistro, or medical centre. Just Asians being store owners with no other implications.
  3. Series.Sam And Cat: Afish, the owner of the Handy Quick near the apartment, is a Middle Eastern man who's extremely self-obsessed. Just an Asian store owner with no other implications.
  4. Film.Four Brothers: The owner of the store where Evelyn was killed is Middle Eastern. The clerk who was killed was likely one of his relatives as well. Just an Asian store owner with no other implications.
  5. Literature.Cannery Row: Lee Chong, who operates the local grocery, and who stocks pretty much everything and anything in his store. Just an Asian store owner with no other implications.
  6. WesternAnimation.Purno De Purno: Dr. Ha Chiu, who owns a Chinese store that sells various potion-like liquids. Just an Asian store owner with no other implications.
  7. UsefulNotes.The War On Terror: The Boondocks episode "A Date with the Health Inspector" made one hell of an allusion to the Iraq War in the form of a convenience store robbery. Ed Wuncler III and Gin Rummy (White Gang Banger takes on George W. Bush and Donald Rumsfeld) take some beer called "Black Gold", and when the Arab store clerk (Saddam Hussein) tries to charge them, they accuse him of having a gun (Weapons of Mass Destruction). A cop named Frank (France) shows up, and Ed III levels a gun to him, shouting "Whose side you on?!" The clerk's coworkers fight back, leading to a two-hour shootout with more allusions to the events around the War than can be listed here. It ends with the Arab store owners arrested and Ed III and Rummy hailed as heroes. As written, just an Asian store owner with no other subtext.
  8. Series.Kims Convenience: Mr. Kim and Mrs. Kim are the Korean owners of the titular store, with Janet often helping out (although she's against the idea of inheriting the store from her father). Just Asian store owners.
  9. ChuckCunninghamSyndrome.Western Animation: Dr. Ha Chiu, an Asian guy who runs an Asian store selling various potion-like substances, disappeared after the third series. Pothole just references a store owner who happens to be Asian.
  10. WesternAnimation.How Murray Saved Christmas: The clerk at the convenience store, who has eight arms.
    Santa: What are you?
    Clerk: I'm Vishnu.
    Santa: Vishnu?
    Clerk: I Vishnu wouldn't shoot me. As written, just a store owner who happens to be Asian.
  11. TheMirrorShowsYourTrueSelf.Western Animation The Simpsons: In "Brick Like Me", LEGO Homer starts seeing the real Homer in reflective surfaces after having a vision of his reality, where he was bonding with Lisa over LEGO construction sets. At one point, he yells at his reflection on the front window of the LEGO world's Kwik-E-Mart, causing him to be Mistaken for Racist by LEGO Apu. As written, just references a store owner who happens to be Asian.
  12. YMMV.Friday Film: The Asian Store-Owner in the first film randomly rising from the counter at his "Black Owned" convenience store and never appearing again. Just references a store owner who happens to be Asian.
  13. Website.Springhole: In Tips for Writing and Maintaining a Horror Atmosphere, guest writer Alexis Feynman points out that a shop lady in Chinatown would have more important things to do than punishing obnoxious teenagers for being obnoxious. Just references a store owner who happens to be Asian.
  14. Series.The Sarah Silverman Program: Sarah once robbed one for batteries since she didn't have enough money to afford them. As written, just references a store owner who happens to be Asian.
  15. Series.People Just Do Nothing: Kurupt FM's associate and business partner, Chabuddy G, an illegal immigrant from Pakistan who makes a living from ripping people off and living beyond his means. Just a store owner who happens to be Asian.
  16. Film.It Could Happen To You: The deli Charlie and his partner frequent is run by a Korean husband and wife pair. Just store owners who happen to be Asian.
  17. Recap.Welcome To Paradise: Woody hires a Korean convenience store owner to follow Denzel around and make sure he doesn't steal anything. There seems to be an implication that the store owner is violently protective, but it isn't explicit enough to count IMO. As written, it's just an Asian store owner.
  18. Literature.Angels Flight: Bosch finds himself inside a convenience store owned by a Chinese man at the end, just after he's escaped from the rioters. (That exact same shopkeeper and store pop up again in later Connelly novel 9 Dragons.) As written, just a store owner who is Asian.
  19. VideoGame.Dust A Tale Of The Wired West: Mr. Help (yes, that's his name), who offers hints if the player gets stuck and who is, at least to begin with, rather rude to the Stranger. Just a store owner who is Asian, and not violently protective of their store.
  20. Series.Count Arthur Strong: Bulent, though he's Turkish, and he runs a cafe instead of a shop. Averted with that one Indian guy Michael meets in a newsagent's, who's only a customer. Just a store owner who is Asian.

    ZCEs, unclear, and other (15/50) 
  1. VideoGame.Kings Quest II Romancing The Stones: There's a merchant in town who seems to be this, but his tendency to slip into a cockney accent gives him away... Low context.
  2. WesternAnimation.The Proud Family: In "E-Z Jackster", Mr. Min, the owner of the record store, is a really angry guy who yells at Mega for not buying anything. He's furious when the titular piracy site puts his store out of business. While this is an angry Asian store owner, he is not shown to be violently protective of his store, and thus does not count.
  3. SpiritualAntithesis.Live Action Films: The Dutch film The Columnist is this to Falling Down. Both films are darkly comedic thrillers about an ordinary person who hits a Rage Breaking Point and goes on a violent vigilante rampage against what they see as a World Gone Mad, and are deeply satirical about modern society and its ills while ultimately revealing their respective Villain Protagonists to be a lot less righteous than they think they are. Falling Down's William Foster was a right-leaning, blue-collar Angry White Man who worked in the highly technical profession of engineering at a defense contractor before losing his job due to the end of the Cold War, and his targets, from an Asian Store-Owner to Gangbangers to a homeless Phony Veteran, represent the fears of conservative Middle America in the early '90s. Meanwhile, Femke Boot, the titular protagonist of The Columnist, is a left-leaning, white-collar woman who works in the highly social profession of journalism, pushed over the edge not by economic misery but by online harassment, and her targets are internet trolls and far-right conspiracy theorists who symbolize the fears of young liberals in the late 2010s. Also, while Foster only directly kills one person even as he builds up an increasingly outlandish arsenal of weapons, Femke is an outright Serial Killer who murders numerous people yet sticks to knives, garden shears, bathtubs, and other close-in weapons throughout. Little implication in the pothole—putting it here as a ZCE.
  4. Film.This Is England: He bans Shaun early on for continuing to read a magazine without paying despite a couple of warnings, and gets his Disproportionate Retribution later on. No implication of violence.
  5. Characters.Gilmore Girls Stars Hollow: Own the town antique shop. No context.
  6. Characters.Still Game: Indian variety. Commented-out ZCE.
  7. Characters.Power Rangers Megaforce: Indian, to be more specific. No context.
  8. DarthWiki.Four Oh Two: Hiroshi Shinitani, Holmes' martial artist friend, in "Discovery". No context.
  9. Film.Do The Right Thing: The Korean shop owner. He's able to fend off the angry black mob that torches the Italian pizzeria by claiming that he's "black too." This was inspired by a Real Life story mentioned in The Autobiography of Malcolm X. During the Harlem riot of 1935, a convenience store was spared looting and burning when the Asian owners hung a sign in the window saying that they were colored too. Not just an Asian store owner, but still isn't correct use nor does it fit any other category. Other.
  10. WesternAnimation.Mission Hill: George's dad, Mr. Bang No context.
  11. WesternAnimation.Tom And Jerry Kids: The Indian man running the 7 Million Convenience Store in "Galaxy Droopy". No context.
  12. WesternAnimation.Eight Crazy Nights: Mr. Chin, played by (Rob Schneider), fits a lot of the stereotypes; although he subverts Asian Rudeness just from the fact that the only time he acts angry is completely justified. (Davey dining and dashing). Beyond that he's just curt, not mean. Fits stereotypes, but not that all store owners are Asian. Also not violent. Misuse.
  13. Literature.Ordinary Time: Discussed mockingly by Sher’s father, when the Duke enlists him in a spot of intelligence work:
    “You were, as I recall, a spice and tea merchant, an East India Provisions wholesaler who, had y’ removed t’ Town, should have been the glory of a restored Mincin’ Lane and an ornament of the Worshipful Company of Grocers.”
    “No, Charles, I’m simply the British Asian who runs the corner shop. Of course you recall correctly: among the interests in which our holding company invested were firms which were considerable importers of spices and of tea. As you perfectly well know, and, as I expect, of which you have all our financials going back a decade. It’s allowed my brother-in-law note  to keep his pomp and state.” Unclear if it's discussing the stereotype or just someone who is an Asian store owner.
  14. WesternAnimation.Bro Town: note  No context, commented out.
  15. VideoGame.The Curse Of The Were Rabbit: Mr. Caliche. No context, commented out.

    Unclassifiable (3/50) 
  1. Laconic.Asian Store Owner The Laconic.
  2. Asian Rudeness: Can also overlap with Asian Store-Owner as well as with Arrogant Kung-Fu Guy, or (in Japanese media) Bokukko or even The Idiot from Osaka. "See also" link in description.
  3. Pantheon.Businesses And Corporations Pantheon.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 8th 2023 at 9:38:13 AM

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#26: Mar 24th 2023 at 10:21:11 AM

Ngl idt I've ever seen "Central Asian store owner" in any media. East Asian, yes.

As stated in amathieu's post:

In the US it's almost always a South Asian or South East Asian person, but in the UK I think it's more often a South Asian or Central Asian, even Middle Eastern person because again, different immigration patterns.

So if this is anything to go by, you might not be familiar with it because you're American and it's a British stereotype.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 24th 2023 at 12:21:33 PM

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#27: Mar 24th 2023 at 3:25:04 PM

I consume more British media than I do American, but any argument is beside the point and I won't derail further. If there's modern media featuring Central Asian emigrants in any capacity, please point me in that direction because it'd be news (albeit welcomed news) to me. Sorry for glossing over, amathieu, as I trust your perspective on things.

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#28: Mar 24th 2023 at 4:29:09 PM

Central Asian characters are not much-represented in the media I have personally consumed, but I am still fine with that staying for Tropes Are Flexible. If the trope already allows West and East Asians, we don't need to answer a question like "well, I have a London-based minority storeowner but he's Kazakh, does he still count?" in the future.

Edited by Synchronicity on Mar 24th 2023 at 6:31:23 AM

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#29: Mar 24th 2023 at 4:52:23 PM

I added Central Asian mostly because the boundaries between central asia/middle east is not always the same. I was thinking of Afghanistan in particular, which depending on who you ask is in the Middle East, Central Asia, or South Asia. I don't think we need to limit the trope to specific asian subregions given that there does exist some debate/disagreement/different perspectives on what these geopolitical regions do/do not include and it's not always made explicit in the work where these characters come from anyways, especially if they're just a background character.

Edited by amathieu13 on Mar 24th 2023 at 7:53:24 AM

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#30: Mar 24th 2023 at 4:52:31 PM

[up][up] Yeah for sure, I don't disagree with that at all. "Asian" should be all-encompassing.

Edit: [nja]

Edited by Yindee on Mar 24th 2023 at 7:53:01 AM

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#31: Mar 27th 2023 at 9:14:04 AM

Calling in favor of the following:

  • Broaden the trope to be about stereotypical Asian store owners in general, even if they aren't violently protective, as mentioned in the third paragraph of this post (referred to in the post as the "widespread [stereotype]" of "South/Southeast/Central Asian convenience store owner[s]")
  • Transplant examples of racist store owners to Profiling

We're keeping the name the same.

Anyway, we need to modify the description, and we'll probably need a wick cleaning sandbox since we're keeping the name the same and thus not removing every wick.

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#32: Mar 28th 2023 at 2:01:48 AM

Not my thread, but since my long post was the focus of the rewrite, I drafted something up: Sandbox.Asian Store Owner

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#33: Mar 30th 2023 at 2:41:00 AM

Is any more work needed on Sandbox.Asian Store Owner? I don't see anything wrong with what's currently there.

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#35: Apr 8th 2023 at 6:12:35 AM

I'll probably take care of it later today. I just got out of bed.

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#36: Apr 8th 2023 at 6:54:51 AM

Swapped in the description and indexed it on Tropes in Aggregate. We still need to clean up examples.

Edit: Made Sandbox.Asian Store Owner Wick Cleaning to keep track of wick cleaning.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 8th 2023 at 9:38:33 AM

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#37: Apr 8th 2023 at 7:54:00 PM

Gave the sandbox a head start.

By the way, should we allow RL examples? This may fall under Gossip/Stereotypes.

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#38: Apr 8th 2023 at 8:01:00 PM

I feel like we might want to just let the Real Life cleanup thread handle that. The fact that this trope's wick count isn't incredibly high means cleaning wicks might not take a week, while RL crowner votes do take at least a week.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 8th 2023 at 10:02:43 AM

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#39: Apr 8th 2023 at 8:09:13 PM

Well, it doesn't have RL examples to begin with so I wouldn't worry about it. The cleanup thread only deals with existing RL sections.

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#40: Apr 8th 2023 at 8:51:34 PM

Alright then.

Anyways, got another letter down.

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#41: Apr 8th 2023 at 9:48:07 PM

[up]x4 I feel like on principal Tropes in Aggregate shouldn't have RL sections since the whole point is "it's meaningful due to its overrepresentation in a specific genre/fiction vs RL" but that is a bigger policy discussion I suppose.

Edited by amathieu13 on Apr 8th 2023 at 12:48:49 PM

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#42: Apr 9th 2023 at 2:21:23 AM

I took care of some letters, plus Main/, though I didn't have to do much since most wicks already fit the expanded definition instead of fitting the narrower old definition.

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#43: Apr 9th 2023 at 5:35:09 AM

YMMV is done. Only casualty was a wick that got taken down with an Acceptable Targets entry.

Edit: The T's are done; only casualty was a ZCE that just lists the character's name.

Edited by Berrenta on Apr 9th 2023 at 7:42:35 AM

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#44: Apr 9th 2023 at 8:32:02 AM

Moved a handful of Film/ entries to Profiling. If "racist Korean shopkeeper" is ever broken off as a subtrope, there are definitely a bunch of preexisting work pages that can fit right into that.

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#45: Apr 9th 2023 at 9:48:04 PM

Got the rest. Didn't have to remove much since we expanded the definition.

Anyway, locking.

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Asian Store Owner is currently defined to specifically refer to violently protective and often racist store owners, and broadening it to be about more general stereotypes of Asian store owners (possibly including transplanting the stereotype of racist store owners to Profiling), possibly with a rename, was suggested. What should be done with Asian Store Owner?

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