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Unintentional Period Piece is a ridiculously misused trope. The trope is supposed to be for when a work is full of things that make the work firmly dated to its era, such as fashion, technology, societal attitudes, etc.

Instead, it is used for anything even remotely dated in a work, along with merely dated settings and, in some cases, intentionally dated things.

Specifically, a collaborative wick check done by myself and War Jay 77 (with some help from mightymewtron) revealed the following:

  • 29.41% of examples were correctly used
  • 43.14% of examples were used for minor things in a movie that were dated
  • 1.96% of examples were intentionally dated
  • 13.73% of examples had a dated setting, without necessarily having lots of dated things in it
  • 9.80% of examples were ZCEs, and
  • 1.96% of examples did not fit the other categories.

Totaled together, 29.41% of the examples are correctly used, and 70.59% are incorrect. And as mightymewtron pointed out in the Wick Check thread, even many of the correct examples are very snarky and complain-y.

What should be done about this trope? War Jay 77 suggested moving it to YMMV. Beyond that, I don't have many other ideas.

Wick check:

Here we will be doing a wick check for the trope Unintentional Period Piece.

Why? This trope is ridiculously misused. The trope is supposed to be for when a work is so ridiculously dated and full of culture at the time it was written, that it becomes a Period Piece despite not intending to be one. However, it instead gets used for anything that is dated in a work, as well as sometimes intentional Period Pieces. It has been suggested that this trope be moved to YMMV as well.

Current wicks checked: 51/51

Misuse percentages:

  • Correct: 29.41%
  • Minor dated things/one dated thing in it: 43.14%
  • Intentionally dated: 1.96%
  • Dated setting or subculture, but not many dated things in it: 13.73%
  • ZCEs: 9.80%
  • Other, unknown, or unsorted: 1.96%

Misuse vs. correct use percentage: 29.41% correct use, 70.59% incorrect use

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    Correct use (work is ridiculously dated despite not being a Period Piece) (15/51) 
  • Film.Mallrats: The film is pretty much dripping with 90s culture, from the outfits to the music. Even Truth Or Date, despite being a 60s/70s throwback, is indicative of what was nostalgic in the 90s. Sounds correct at least...
  • Trivia.Scary Movie (1): A big problem with Scary Movie 2, even taking into account the fact that spoof movies generally don't age too well. In addition to the film featuring a lot of spoofs of adverts and music videos from 2000—2001 (which are a lot less likely to be remembered than films from the same time period), most of the films being spoofed got horrible critical receptions and were quickly forgotten, which hurts the film quite badly these days. The second movie also contains a reference to then popular, but now mostly-forgotten game show The Weakest Link. This, and the other example from the page, both reference how the movies dated themselves by basing them off of references that faded quickly.
  • Trivia.Scary Movie (2): Scary Movie 4 suffers from this to some extent, as a result of a lot of references to pop cultural things that are now mostly forgotten or considered outdated, such as MySpace and the original iPod. Fortunately, most of the films being spoofed are still well-remembered and well-regarded (with the arguable exception of The Grudge and The Village), so the film doesn't feel quite as dated overall.
  • Trivia.Sneakers: Between the Mafia missing the Cold War, Why We Are Bummed Communism Fell sentiment of field agents, dial-up Internet, flip phones, and NSA introductions, this is clearly set in early 90s. Describes a work full of dated things from The '90s that wasn't meant to be a Period Piece.
  • Trivia.The Cardinal Of The Kremlin: The plot of the novel is tied to a quite specific period of the Cold War (START, SDI, heroic Afghan freedom fighters), and it dated very quickly. Only five years later, the film adaptations of the series skipped straight over it. Sounds pretty dated.
  • Trivia.World War Z: Between its parodies of and references to various celebrities and public figures, its portrayal of the internet and "alternative" media, the manner in which The War on Terror affects the US' initial, blundering response to the Zombie Apocalypse, and even brief mentions of the Nintendo Game Cube and of Ukraine controlling Crimea, the book is decidedly rooted in the anxieties and concerns of Bush-era America. Describes a movie full of things that date it to the Turn of the Millennium.
  • Trivia.The Doom Generation: The film's pop culture references, political satire and fashions instantly place it as a mid-90s piece. Jordan and Xavier have quintessential curtains hairstyles, likewise for Amy's bob. Describes a film that is ridiculously dated due to lots of dated things in it, which is the correct use.
  • Trivia.Grand Theft Auto III (2): Several other topical references date themselves, with radio commercials alone satirizing the dot-com boom (PetsOvernight.com, which delivers exotic animals overnight), massive SUVs (the aforementioned Maibatsu Monstrosity - its advertised mileage of 3 miles per gallon is treated as a point of pride in one commercial), dating services (Fernando's New Beginnings, a dating service which lets bored husbands secretly arrange for trysts with prostitutes) and the beginnings of Reality TV (Liberty City Survivor, where 20 recently-paroled guys are equipped with heavy weapons and then dropped into the city to hunt each other down, with one commercial including a recommendation from someone who got shot by one of the contestants). There's also the adrenaline pills, which in addition to boosting your melee strength put you into Bullet Time - an obvious reminder of the days in the early- to mid-2000s where the influence of The Matrix reigned supreme. Correctly describes a work being very dated due to having multiple dated things in it.
  • Trivia.Jurassic Park 1993 (1): The first film for the most part does a good job avoiding references that would tend to date these kinds of films, but the bulky computer monitor technology and the prevalence of Thinking Machines computers grounds it to the 1990s. As does Sattler's attire. Describes a film being dated by multiple things in it.
  • Trivia.Final Destination: The cameras used and the music for the soundtrack place the movie sometime after the the 1980s, but the under-reaction to a guy saying a plane is going to explode, which turns out to be true, clearly shows the movie was made before 9/11. Describes multiple things making a work very dated.
  • FollowTheLeader.Western Animation: The long-running rivalry between The Simpsons and South Park is an interesting case study in this trope. In South Parks early days, when it generally stuck to its simple "quirky small-town America" premise, many people unfavorably compared it to The Simpsons, accusing it of substituting that show's clever writing for simple vulgarity. South Park is generally agreed to have Grown the Beard when it started drawing more humor from current events and politics, and satire became its biggest strength. Conversely, when The Simpsons came to be criticized for its increasing reliance on quickly outdated topical humor, many people accused it of trying to copy South Park. So while South Park was once derided as a less clever version of The Simpsons, The Simpsons is now often derided as a less daring South Park. Pothole correctly describes a series becoming dated due to topical things that don't age well.'
  • Trivia.Day Of The Barney Trilogy: Several things such as the lack of BJ and Riff (the third and fourth dinosaurs, respectively, introduced in the show following Baby Bop and Barney), mentions of the huge popularity of Barney himself, and other things such as trends mentioned in the fanfics firmly place the trilogy as a product of the 1990s. Correctly describes how multiple things in the Hate Fic have made it a product of its era.
  • Trivia.Mafalda: For The '60s. Most strips avoid this, but enough of them make enough references to place them in that time period; among them:
    • The hairdos and attire of female background characters.
    • Mafalda's dad having been a fan of Bing Crosby in his youth.
    • The design of some appliances that are no longer made even if some may still be in use.
      • The new TV that Mafalda's dad buys is a square box model television with dials and no remote control.
      • Every character has rotary dial land-line telephones at home.
      • Mafalda's dad owns a brand new Citroën 2CV which stopped production around The '80s.
    • Almost all the children are Beatles fans.
    • Guille has a thing for Brigitte Bardot.
    • Allusions to the US space program include remarks about Gordon Cooper, the Mariner probes and the Moon landing.
    • Constant mentions about the Cold War (The USSR-USA rivalry, Vietnam, the Berlin Wall, the Japanese economic miracle, fear of Red China, and the possibility of atomic war...) Entires correctly describe multiple things making a work very dated.
  • Trivia.She Devil: This movie is very definitely a product of its time. Late-'80s hairstyles, outfits, and attitudes. Robin Leach introduces us to Mary Fisher via an episode of Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous. At one point Mary has a satellite dish installed for Andrew, and we see two fully-grown men struggling trying to set up a huge dish in the front lawn (most, if not all, satellite dishes of today are about as big as a dinner plate and attach onto the house). We see Nicolette spending all her time on a party line from a late-'80s cell phone. Nicolette's room has a Tiffany poster and Andrew watches some WWE fight where the hair is larger than the muscles. To cap it all off, we even see a promotional poster for Tim Burton's Batman in Times Square in one scene! Entry correctly describes a work being made dated by multiple things in it.
  • Literature.Thirteen Reasons Why: Magic Floppy Disk: The tapes. Clay even has to go look for a Walkman so he can walk around when he listens. Word of God is that it's intentional, so that the book won't become too dated. By using something that is said to be outdated, it won't seem like an Unintentional Period Piece. Bolded for emphasis. Intentionally (and correctly) used.

    Work contains one thing or minor amounts of things that are dated (22/51) 
  • Trivia.Angus Og: With its many mentions of contemporary events and cameos by UK celebs and politicians, it is very much tied to its time.
  • Trivia.Anarchist Cookbook: As mentioned above, the mentions of phone phreaking make it obvious that it was written in The '70s.
  • Trivia.Doctor Who S 1 E 1 An Unearthly Child: One of the reasons why Susan is considered unusual is because she doesn't know how pre-decimal currency works, and that she thought the UK was on the decimal system. At the time this is perfectly reasonable, but given the UK really did switch to decimilised currency in 1971, nowadays it's perfectly reasonable for a 15-year-old to not understand it. Describes only one thing that is dated.
  • Trivia.I Carly: The episode "iMeet Fred". Most kids today would not even know who Fred is and will probably assume that it's just a Show Within a Show created specifically for iCarly. Describes an episode being dated only because it contains a no longer popular online celebrity.
  • Trivia.Nickmas: The first Frosty the Snowman parody short uses Libby's original hairstyle even when she's a senior. Describes only one thing that is dated in a work.
  • Trivia.The Simpsons S 11 E 19 Kill The Alligator And Run (1): This episode aired in April of 2000; the Montana Militia largely disbanded around this time, after reaching its peak membership during the previous year. Describes only one thing that is dated in the episode.
  • Trivia.The Raccoons: At the end of "The Prism of Zenda!", Cyril can be seen with a cigar in his mouth... in prison. Smoking has been banned in Canadian prisons since 2008. Pothole bolded for emphasis. Pothole references only one thing dated in a work.
  • Trivia.Trading Places (1): At the time the film was made, using misappropriated or "insider" information to invest in commodities (as opposed to the stock and bond market) was not a crime, although a government courier could still get in trouble for unauthorized release of government information like the crop report in the film. The law that changed this, Section 136 of the Wall Street Transparency and Accountability Act, note  enacted in 2010, is informally known as the "Eddie Murphy Rule." The chairman of the Commodities Futures Trading Commission specifically referred to the film when first publicly proposing the rule change. Describes one thing in a movie that is dated.
  • Trivia.Trading Places (2): A lot of what goes down at the stock market in this movie is also not possible now thanks to computers — pit trading and open outcry are no longer widely used, for example. Describes only one thing in a movie that is dated.
  • Trivia.Say Anything (1): The Signature Scene of Lloyd holding a boombox over his head might not have the same impact today if he were holding an iPod instead. Then again, a 21st-century Lloyd would be holding up some kind of iPod player with a picture of a boombox on it, as joked by Brie Larson. Describes only one dated thing in a work.
  • Trivia.Say Anything (2): The people filming the graduation ceremony using actual film cameras. Today they'd just be holding up their phones. Describes only one dated thing in a work.
  • Trivia.Kidsongs (1): "A Day with the Animals" has a killer whale in Marineland of the Pacific (which closed a year after it was filmed) performing tricks in "I Love the Water World". Come The New '10s, the controversy over raising orcas in captivity forced water parks to stop doing such shows, most notably Sea World in 2016. Describes one dated thing in a song.
  • Trivia.The Cat In The Hat: In The Cat in the Hat Comes Back, the protagonist's father owns a pair of shoes that cost $10. Pricey in 1958 but these days you'd wonder why he'd have such cheap footwear.
  • Trivia.Wishbone: If the episode "A Dogged Expose" took place today, Damont certainly wouldn't be distributing those embarrassing photos on flyers. He'd be posting them on social media.
  • Trivia.ET The Extra Terrestrial (2): On the other hand, jock older brother Michael's introduction has him playing Dungeons & Dragons without hinting at him having any geeky or creative Hidden Depths, which firmly grounds the film in the early 80s (the height of D&D's popularity as a fad) for fans of the film who are role-players. Describes one thing that is dated in the film.
  • Trivia.Grand Theft Auto III (1): Claude uses a pager (and in some cases, a pay phone box) rather than a cell phone to communicate. On Chatterbox, a Moral Guardians group leader against cell phones calls in to protest against them, but also talk about how difficult it is to communicate without them. Both of these elements have been dated past The New '10s with many more people owning cell phones, and even more so by the fact almost every later game in the "GTAIII era" of the series - despite being intentional period pieces dated even earlier than GTAIII - uses cell phones rather than pagers. Describes one dated thing in the game.
  • Trivia.Grand Theft Auto III (4): The character of Donald Love is quite clearly based on the then-current pop-culture depiction of Donald Trump, being a ruthless businessman owning a large skyscraper who expresses a desire to instigate a gang war for property development. Describes one dated thing in the game.
  • Trivia.Jurassic Park 1993 (2): This applies to the dinosaurs as well, thanks to Science Marches On. In 1993 they were the most up-to-date depiction of dinosaurs in film. Now they're nearly as dated as the "old" dinosaurs they once displaced. Describes one dated thing in the movie.
  • Trivia.Henry Stickmin Series: A lot of older memes are referenced in earlier games that remain unchanged in the Collection version, most notably the Shoop-da-Woop Running Gag. References some things that are dated in the series, without implying that they make the whole game dated.
  • Trivia.Another Cinderella Story: Mary's The Girl Who Fits This Slipper subplot involves her Zune music player, which was discontinued in 2011 (a little over half a decade after the movie's release). The description for the film for some cable and streaming services even misidentifies it as an iPod. Describes one dated thing in a work.
  • Recap.The Simpsons S 3 E 14 Lisa The Greek: Take That!: The episode takes jabs at the Super Bowl broadcasts of the 1980s, which consisted on rather bland family-friendly half-time shows built around a theme while the game would be followed by the premiere of a new TV show that would usually be cancelled after one season (The A-Team, which premiered after S.B. XVII being one of the few exceptions). This doubles with Unintentional Period Piece for both practices were abandoned a few years later: The half-time show would feature pop stars beginning in the following year (something in which Fox's In Living Color! special played an important part), and after NBC aired an special hour-long episode of Friends after Super Bowl 30, most post-game shows would be SB-themed episodes of already-established programs. Pothole describes two dated things in an episode, rather than the episode itself being very dated.
  • Trivia.Jack And The Beanstalk 1974: The music is reminiscent of songs from the 70's when it was made, especially the music the salesman plays on his lute, and in the original Japanese version near the end of the "Tulip" song he does an Elvis Presley impression. There's also a bit of Values Dissonance when Jack's mother spanks him onscreen. Describes two things that are dated in a work, without saying that they make the work itself dated.

    Intentional Period Piece or something intentionally dated (1/51) 
  • Trivia.Nineteen Ninety Something: Inverted, seeing as how the comic takes place in The '90s but was created in the mid-to-late 2010s. Regardless, the comic contains so many outdated 90s references that one either has to have lived in the 90s or have a vast knowledge of the decade to understand any of it. Intentional Period Piece.

    Work is heavily influenced by a specific dated subculture or setting, without being full of dated things per se (7/51) 
  • Trivia.Tragedy Girls: Much of the film's humor is rooted in satirizing the True Crime fandom of the 2010s, portraying it as obsessed with murderers in a manner that recalls the real-life "Columbiner" communities of that era. After the Parkland shooting and the March for Our Lives in 2018, a year after this film came out, the online true crime community took a very notable shift away from that sort of attitude, and nowadays, the idolization of serial killers and spree killers of the sort that Sadie and McKayla engage in is regarded as tasteless, at least in the more mainstream communities. Describes a film's premise being heavily influenced by a once-relevant subculture, without the film actually being filled with dated things.
  • Trivia.The Simpsons S 11 E 19 Kill The Alligator And Run (2): The episode also features the party-hard youth culture of the 90s and 2000s at its peak, with Kid Rock appearing at an MTV show broadcast from the beach (featuring a joke about the age of the channel's presenters), with Rock's particular brand of Rap Rock being passe by the time the episode aired, while this zeitgeist would be greatly affected by 9/11. Kid Rock's hype man Joe C. also appears alongside him in this episode, seven months before he died from complications related to dwarfism. Describes an overarching culture that affects the episode's timeliness, without the episode itself being actually necessarily filled with dated things.
  • Trivia.Kidsongs (2): "A Day at the Circus" aged even worse. In the years since the video was first released, the traditional American-style traveling circus has diminished in popularity with the biggest example being the closing of the Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey Circus in 2017. Not helping is the animal acts, especially those with elephants, which have come under much scrutiny by animal rights groups. Describes a song being dated because it is set in a circus, which are no longer as relevant as they once were.
  • Trivia.Goku Midnight Eye: The series is exceedingly 80s, with a cyberpunk future where fashion has remained the same and the USSR is still around. Sounds like it uses some 80s tropes and history, but doesn't sound too heavily dated.
  • Trivia.Bicycle Thieves: The story very much reflects the conditions in Italy after World War II. Unemployment and crime were rampant, the police generally weren't very competent, and, as shown in a few scenes, communism had a large following in the country. And Rita Hayworth (featured on the posters Antonio is supposed to hang) was at the peak of her international popularity. Entry describes an era's culture making a movie dated, rather than the movie being dated due to being full of things from its era.
  • Trivia.Grand Theft Auto III (3): Liberty City's portrayal as The Big Rotten Apple, a view that started to fade soon after 9/11 (which happened a month before the game's release) and The War on Terror. Even though the game was held back a month to attempt to remove content that would look offensive after 9/11, very little could actually be done with the small amount of time they had (the police cars were changed to a Los Angeles-inspired color scheme rather than emulating the NYPD's then-current and distinctive blue on white, airplanes couldn't be blown up, and the only plane in the game had its wings clipped to make it nearly impossible to fly), dating it to the immediate pre-9/11 period of 2000 to, at latest, August 2001. Describes a game being dated due to a dated setting.
  • Film.Mission To Moscow: A few years after its release, the Cold War arrived and Mission to Moscow became an Old Shame for all involved. Warner Bros. argued that the film had been an "expedient lie" to help the war effort along and that it had never been meant for posterity. The House Un-American Activities Committee wasn't buying it, so Warner Bros. threw screenwriter Howard Koch to the wolves. Even though he had written the film under contract and had never belonged to the Communist Party, Koch was subsequently put on The Hollywood Blacklist. Since the Red Scare, the movie has largely faded into obscurity, and it's now remembered as one of the all-time Unintentional Period Pieces. Sometimes it's shown, not without controversy, on Turner Classic Movies. Pothole describes a film dated by its setting rather than by having a lot of dated things in it.

    ZCEs (5/51) 

    Other, unknown, or unsorted (1/51) 
  • Trivia.ET The Extra Terrestrial (1): Averted nicely unlike a lot of 80s movies. You can tell it was filmed in the 1980s due to the cars, the TV, and the family owning an Atari 2600, but it doesn't stick out like other examples. Many of the pop culture references they make like Star Wars or The Twilight Zone (1959) are still known by today's audiences. Entry literally says that it does not fit the trope.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 4th 2023 at 11:08:49 AM

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#26: Jun 2nd 2021 at 5:55:22 PM

Another thing discussed ad nauseum on the cleanup thread is that this trope is plagued by extremely minor, nitpicky examples the average person wouldn't notice (there's a movie poster in one shot, oh noes!). To me this is the biggest problem with the trope that I am not sure will be remedied by a YMMV move.

Ayup. This is the main reason I'd object to making it YMMV, because that would just legitimize nonsense like "this now-defunct shoe store appeared in the background once! UPP!"

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#27: Jun 2nd 2021 at 5:57:21 PM

How would it legitimize it? Most YMMV tropes have strict criteria beyond "fans think this".

Even then, there's nothing objective about this trope, so there's absolutely no reason it shouldn't be YMMV. Shoehorns can be dealt with in cleanup, but those will exist regardless of where this is. All things being equal, this trope is an audience reaction at the core.

Edited by WarJay77 on Jun 2nd 2021 at 8:58:53 AM

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#28: Jun 2nd 2021 at 6:29:29 PM

It also has the word "unintentional" right in its title. Many YMMV/audience reaction items involves the audience seeing something in a work that the creators didn't intend, while most Trivia tropes involve a deliberate decision done by a creator.

Also, the most basic premise of the trope is "a work is dated/has many things that make it dated", and something that's dated to you probably isn't going to be dated to someone else. Things like that are exactly what YMMV is for.

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#29: Jun 2nd 2021 at 6:40:12 PM

On a semi-tangential note, one thing I never understood about the Trope Talk thread was the insistence that it needed a "threshhold". That entire thread looked to me like people trying desperately to create objective criteria for an inherently subjective trope, and a lot of the rules (i.e., COVID doesn't count and works need to be at least a decade old) always seemed odd to me.

Now, if this discussion wants to keep those rules, that's fine I guess, but I wanted to address these issues so we can actually figure out if they need to exist at all.

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#30: Jun 2nd 2021 at 8:26:16 PM

Going back through the thread, the initial ask was about people looking at minor details that most audience members probably wouldn't notice and claiming it was Unintentional Period Piece. I guess the idea was that there needed to be a threshold to cut down on those examples. The rationale for the ten year limit seemed to be to prevent people from "jumping the gun" and claiming things were dated prematurely.

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#31: Jun 3rd 2021 at 4:44:23 AM

I've thought this should be YMMV for a while since examples have to be unintentional, and I've always found the No Recent Examples, Please! restriction's exception for "exceptional circumstances" to be questionable because exactly what counts as "exceptional circumstances" is already open to interpretation (i.e., YMMV).

That said, I think the "exceptional circumstances" exception should be removed completely regardless of whether we move this to YMMV, simply because it's too subjective compared to the time limit for everything else that normally applies.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jun 3rd 2021 at 6:51:26 AM

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#32: Jun 3rd 2021 at 5:29:42 AM

"Exceptional circumstances" was defined as something dated at the time of release.

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#33: Jun 3rd 2021 at 5:42:58 AM

[up]How is it determined whether a newly released work is already dated?

Looking at this part, which defines "exceptional circumstances":

Being completely overtaken by events by time of airing, and being called "instantly dated" by the press, have both qualified in the past.

Being called "instantly dated" by the press I understand, but who determines whether a work is completely overtaken by current events, and how? At the very least, I think citations should be required when the press calls a work dated upon release (but not for works that are past the time limit for retroactive examples). The only other thing I can think of that requires citations, Unfortunate Implications, is already YMMV, if that matters.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Jun 3rd 2021 at 8:00:19 AM

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#34: Jun 3rd 2021 at 10:07:22 AM

"Exceptional circumstances" was defined as something dated at the time of release.

Isn't that Two Decades Behind? (That trope is also misused, but that's a seperate discussion).

Also I'm late to the discussion, but I thought UPP was YMMV, so add my vote for making it so.

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#35: Jun 3rd 2021 at 10:46:45 AM

Say a movie had product placement for a brand of shoe. Say that shoe brand went out of business right before the movie was released. That's what's meant by instantly dated or dated by the time of release.

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#36: Jun 3rd 2021 at 10:53:11 AM

I still don't get the need for "exceptional examples" though. If a work is so heavily centered around modern-day things (that haven't gone out of style yet), why wouldn't those works qualify as UPP?

I'm especially confused about the "Worlds Before COVID Don't Count" Rule. Why not? The Pandemic was such a defining factor of this year and last year that, yeah, works that are meant to be present-day but lack any sort of COVID pandemic will be a product of their time. I understand that not every work that's meant to be in 2020 and lacks people quarantining can be UPP, but if the reaction from audiences is there...

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#37: Jun 3rd 2021 at 11:15:31 AM

I keep feeling like there's something I'm not getting about this trope, and I can't really put it into words but I guess I just don't get how any work that takes place in the real world but isn't tied to a specific date won't eventually become this. There's always going to be something that clearly links a work to when it was made, especially in visual media.

I get that there's supposed to be restrictions to works that are overwhelmingly tied to a particular period in time, but with that, I think it's weird to assume that a movie or a tv show wasn't supposed to feel of its time. Like obviously it wasn't designed to be a period piece in a literal sense, but I'm not sure that, say, a comedy that makes a lot of topical references is unintentionally dated.

Edited by Nightshade92 on Jun 3rd 2021 at 2:15:55 PM

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#38: Jun 3rd 2021 at 11:24:20 AM

[up][up]Exceptional circumstances meant dated by the time of release. I should point out that we decided to come up with a trope to cover this called Instantly Dated.

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#39: Jun 3rd 2021 at 11:25:10 AM

[up] Blank cut reason. Was it created and then deleted?

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#40: Jun 3rd 2021 at 11:25:11 AM

[up][up] I...know. My entire post explains my issue with that part, as in, it's too restrictive...

[up] It wasn't even launched yet.

Edited by WarJay77 on Jun 3rd 2021 at 2:25:54 PM

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#41: Jun 3rd 2021 at 11:59:11 AM

I understand that not every work that's meant to be in 2020 and lacks people quarantining can be UPP.

No, none of them can be. If the work is meant to be set in 2020, then it is Present Day and cannot be an unintentional period piece because it is already an intentional period piece. It may be more obviously a fictional version of reality since there's no quarantine, but it is still intended to be Present Day. Space Force (2020) is an excellent example of just that; a work intended to be set during the airdate.

That's where the Nebulous 'Now' concept comes in; a work intended to feel "timeless" and fit into more than just the culture of the airdate is not the same as "set in the present day". This will still come with limitations, because of the rapid change in technology since the Information Age began means that culture shifts quickly as well. While a book in the 1810s would be very similar from the fifty years before and fifty years after, the same can't be said for a book in the 1910s and even less for the 2010s.

The "timeless" trope will need some sort of estimate as to how broad the timeframe is needed to qualify, and UPP is when the work would only fit a narrower timeframe than that.

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Nightshade92 from The Big Rotten Apple Since: Mar, 2021 Relationship Status: Remembering what Mama said
#42: Jun 3rd 2021 at 12:08:06 PM

Does Present Day only apply when a specific year is mentioned, or does it include settings that are implied to be contemporary?

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RustBeard Since: Sep, 2016
#43: Jun 3rd 2021 at 12:14:41 PM

[up][up][up]I assumed the COVID ban was supposed to prevent shoe horns. Also, at some point the pandemic will end. We're going to go from "This work is dated because people aren't wearing masks" to "This work is dated because people are wearing masks".

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#44: Jun 3rd 2021 at 12:15:30 PM

[up][up][up] Okay, that explaination makes sense. When lurking on the Trope Talk thread, the rule seemed arbitrary since I never saw it actually get explained, just enforced.

Edited by WarJay77 on Jun 3rd 2021 at 3:15:48 PM

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RustBeard Since: Sep, 2016
#45: Jun 3rd 2021 at 12:29:09 PM

What should be done about the ten year waiting period? Should we keep it or not? Personally, I think it's a good way to keep people from prematurely claiming a work is dated.

PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
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#46: Jun 3rd 2021 at 12:52:14 PM

Is Zeerust a subtrope of Unintentional Period Piece? When a work set in the future is so behind technology and aesthetic wise it comes off as blatantly dated?

Edited by PhiSat on Jun 3rd 2021 at 1:53:50 PM

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WoodKnapp94 Since: May, 2020
#47: Jun 3rd 2021 at 12:58:08 PM

[up]Yes. It outright says so on the latter's page.

PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
Planeswalker
#48: Jun 3rd 2021 at 1:11:13 PM

[up]Fair enough. There's no mention of the two being related on Zeerust's page. Also, Zeerust isn't YMMV or Trivia, so it's a little strange to me that this trope needs to be either of those things.

If we were to add more objective criteria, I might propose a rule like "works that are specifically said to be set in the year they were created cannot qualify", because if a work supposed to be set in the 90s (and not just in some vague "present day") has 90s references... Of course it does? I might also suggest having to qualify for more than just one example of things that make something unintentionally dated, because examples that just feature one "offense" could fall under Zeerust, or Society Marches On, or Technology Marches On, etc.

Edited by PhiSat on Jun 3rd 2021 at 2:11:24 AM

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WarJay77 Big Catch, Sparkle Edition (Troper Knight)
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#49: Jun 3rd 2021 at 1:22:40 PM

Again, that's not what Society Marches On means.

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PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
Planeswalker
#50: Jun 3rd 2021 at 1:25:41 PM

? I'm not sure what you mean. If a depiction of the future has super outdated social values, you can't tell me that isn't related to the creation of an Unintentional Period Piece.

Edited by PhiSat on Jun 3rd 2021 at 2:27:56 AM

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