Trope Pantheon Restructure thread

What's Alpha-Omega?

It's Alpha-Omega Force. Sometime I think the person made the profile just somehow magically forced a redemption arc that wasn't supported in the game.

edited 13th Feb '17 1:39:16 PM by shatterstar

Maybe we can delete and restructure a new task force.

It's an old relic. Right now if we're reworking Walker, that will need to go.

As in the entire Alpha-Omega Force? Why not change the leader to Steve Rogers and add a little plot that reveals that the Martin Walker there was a well-intended impersonator of sorts or something?

I think it's spoilery. A true Protagonist Journey to Villain for me would be one who embraces their turn to the dark side.

edited 16th Feb '17 5:39:10 PM by nightelf37

So, apparently N3xus already had Heroic Wannabe reserved. I'm planning to switch Walker's current reworking trope to Protagonist Journey to Villain (take that one off from Walter White, who has 3 tropes) but afraid it might get too spoilery. Thought?

Would War Is Hell still be okay for him or is he getting a new trope?

I thought Walter White's profile was reworked already.

Its with Ore-O but he's been inactive for a long time.

I don't think War Is Hell works well considered the fact the conflict in the game never escalate to a full out actual war.

If you say so.

New draft.

Henry Walton Jones Jr., God of Instinct (The Man with the Hat, Indy, Henry Jones Jr.)

• Demigod
• Symbol: His Fedora and a Bullwhip
• Theme Song: You know the one
• Alignment: Neutral Good
• Portfolio: Whips, Dangerous Archaeology, Spur-of-the-Moment Plans, Last-Second Escapes, fears of snakes (Trope Namer)
• Domain: Good, Luck, Investigation, Travel, Ruins
• Followers: Daring Do, Shuuya, Judau Ashta, Nikolai Dante, Victor Cachat
• Heralds: Marion Ravenwood and Henry "Mutt" Jones III, his wife and son
• Allies: Ashley J. Williams, The Punisher, Lieutenant Ellen Ripley, Malcolm Reynolds, Rick Blaine, John McClane... honestly there's too many heroes to count.
• Friendly Rivals: Lara Croft, Nathan Drake, Oerba Yun Fang
• Enemies: Lesale Deathbringer, Chuck Norris
• Fears: Orochimaru, Lord Voldemort
• Annoyed by: Jamie Hyneman and Adam Savage
• Henry Walton Jones Jr. may look like a lowly professor who part-times as an archeologist, but don't let his profession fool you. He has overcome insurmountable odds through various countries around the world. His entry into the Pantheon increased his scope to include multiple worlds. All of this wouldn't be possible without his incredible ability to go through situations without any plan to help him.
• Is not just the Patron Saint of adventures. Millions of people from all sorts of sports depend on him in all sorts of situations. When a relative newbee is able to pull off an upset, they usually turn to him for thanks.
• Is determined to have nothing to do with either Orochimaru or Voldemort, due to a pathological fear of snakes.
• Never forgets his hat. Hell, don't even try to ruin his hat. There is no plan in the world that could ever save you from his wrath.
• He's also hoping to find an opportunity to pay back Chuck Norris for that bone shattering kick. Some wondered if he could have survived such a blow (most don't).
• There is some overlap between the archeologist and John Mc Clane. Both have an uncanny ability to ruin even the best laid out plans. That combined with Indy's insistence of going with the flow makes it nearly impossible for any villain to put a stop to their followers.
• You would not think that he would be at home among the Library's shelves, but between the giant bookwyrms and lumbering thesauri, there is plenty of adventure to be had. Somewhere, the Holy Grail sits forgotten on a shelf, and some day, Indy will find it. Besides, 70% of archaeology is done in the library anyway.
• Is in an eternal battle with Lara Croft and Nathan Drake over hidden artifacts. He initially held a more antagonistic relationship, berating them for keeping loot to themselves rather than to the public. But he has grown to depend on them for bigger discoveries over time. Nowadays you are more likely to see them work together than against each other. It's only a question of who keeps the prize. Indy admits both rivals can easily kick his ass, but he makes up for it with his insane luck.
  • A lesser known rivalry has formed between him and Oerba Yun Fang. Things can still get heated if the prize is expensive enough.
• In some other life, it is rumored that he was a great smuggler who fell in love with a rebel princess. He's not all that sure himself. Part of the reason he rarely leaves the shelves is because Jabba the Hutt has something against Indy, and wants to talk to him. Indy says "He's a wonderful human being, but I'll pass." Jabba has been banned from this House since that incident with the gravy-d pages, so he never shows up here.
• Has aided Ash Williams in keeping the Necronomicon safe from dark forces. This is probably one of the few things he doesn't want in a museum. Is currently negotiating placing it in the Treasures section.
• Was the hallmark of the following philosophy: "If you see an idiot displaying his swordplay and itching for a fight, just grab a gun and shoot him."
  • Someone would like to re-evaluate his action there…◊ Was not happy that the Mythbusters confirmed those claims.
• Looked in interest at how The Cinema Snob dressed as him during the hunt for Malachite's hand, especially at how Snob could only fight with a belt, instead of the trademark whip.
• There is a so-far unfounded rumor that he, Samurai Jack, and the Mane Six embarked on an adventure together. Indy is saying nothing on the matter.
• Is recently seen drinking beer and playing pool with one Lieutenant Ellen Ripley, who also courageously stormed an underground warren and single-handedly destroyed an army (in her case, of monsters) to protect children.

Bellatrix Lestrange, Goddess of Insane Women in Love with Evil Men (Bella)

• Intermediate Goddess
• Symbol: A blood Red Heart with a Snake wrapped around it
• Alignment: Neutral Evil (willing to do anything to win the approval of Lord Voldemort)
• Portfolio: Psycho Supporters, Yanderes, Love Makes You Crazy, Love Makes You Evil, Absolute Insanity, Villainous Woobies, Mad Love, Cold-Blooded Torture, Even Evil Has Loved Ones, Hero Killers, Douchebags, Trolls, Goths
• Domains: Madness, Love, Magic, Destruction, Evil
• Followers: Mrs. Lovett, Itsuki, Shooter McGavin, Connor, Ramirez, Colonel Sergei Vladimir
• Herald: Delphi Diggory, her daughter
• Superior: J.K. Rowling.
• Allies: Lord Voldemort, Quan Chi, Pagan, Taria de Castillo.
• Enemies: Harry Potter, Ron Weasley, Hermione Granger, Neville Longbottom, Albus Dumbledore, Mele, Hyodo Issei
• Opposes: All non-magical humans (muggles) except noted
• Feared by: Draco Malfoy
• Pities: Dr. Harleen Quinzel/Harley Quinn
• Among those who serve the Dark Lord Voldemort, no one serves him with as much passion as Bellatrix Lestrange. Records of her mortal life depicted her as a witch with uncanny beauty and destructive insanity. Will gleefully kill muggles and torture wizards to insanity in his name. She may have met her demise, but that has only bolstered her resolve. She remains the most steadfast member of the Malum Magia division.
  • God help you if you are caught disrespecting Voldemort, as Bellatrix would love to drag you through all three Forbidden Curses, saving the Killing Curse for last.
• As it is a class only for evil magicians, she gets along well with the group. Some may find her insane, but they can't deny that the woman gets things done. She has become the resident whip, making sure that members remain loyal to their leader Voldemort.
• Strongly dislikes staying in the House of Love, finding all the naive, idealistic goddesses annoying. Often causes disruption by trying to torture them, or by trying to escape fro the House to be with her beloved Voldemort. As such, she has to be constantly reigned in by other deities to keep her at bay.
• While she remains enemies with Harry Potter and his friends, it is more of her devotion to Voldemort than any malice against them. For Neville Longbottom, it's a personal affair. She was responsible for torturing his parents to the point of insanity. She would later try to do the same to him and his friends when she took over Hogwarts. When he later ascended into the Pantheon, he was actually glad she was there. That way, he would have the chance to kill her this time.
  • Hermione keeps a strong face against her, but she remains shaken from the time when Bellatrix tortured her. Nowadays, she wants her dead as much as any other student at Hogwarts.
• Rumors have persisted that she has developed a fear of Molly Weasley, the witch that ended her life. Some say that the way she looks at Ron confirms that theory, one that Bellatrix has vehemently denied.
• Many believe that Malfoy was the key to the Dark Lord's ultimate defeat. If Voldemort had only figured out that he was the one with the power to control Dumbledore's wand, he could have turned the battle in his favor. It is that reason that Bellatrix searches for him, both as revenge and as a chance to fix that mistake.
• Has blamed Mele for her lack of a consistent relationship with Voldemort. Contrary to popular belief, the two have indeed tried a sexual relationship. But Mele insisted that it would never work, as the Dark Lord does not know the concept of love. Bellatrix vowed to kill her on the spot for saying that.
  • She may hate muggles, but even she can have a bit of pity for Harley Quinn. She secretly hopes the clown can get the Joker to reciprocate her feelings. Not that you will get her to say that.
• Has yet to forgive Issei Hyodo for blowing away her clothes in a prior fight. The fact that he had the gall to flirt with her only increased her hatred of him.

edited 22nd Feb '17 9:50:35 PM by Patrickthekid

@Patrickthekid: For some reason, the Allies section in Indiana Jones' profile is mentioned twice. Also, he could have some interaction with Han Solo for obvious reasons.

Helena Bonham Carter played many roles that appeared or connected to another character in the Pantheon: The Red Queen / The Queen of Hearts, Tyler Durden's "girlfriend" Martha, Cinderella's Fairy Godmother, Frankenstein's fiance Elizabeth, Ophelia. Took and leave as many as you want.

First draft for Martin Walker rework:

Captain Martin Walker, God of Heroes Descended Into Villainy

• Potential New House: Character Role
• Theme Song: "Human Cost"
• Lesser God
• Symbol: Sand stirred by the wind
• Alignment: Chaotic Neutral, can slip into Chaotic Evil. Mistook himself to be Chaotic Good
• Portfolio: Anti-Villain, Fallen Hero, Obliviously Evil, Walking Spoiler, One-Man Army, Well-Intentioned Extremist, Wrong Genre Savvy, The Determinator, hallucinates Konrad as well as many events of the game after the white phosphorous incident, Audience Surrogate, Protagonist Journey to Villain, committed all of the autrocities because he wanted to be a hero
• Domains: Military, Madness, Despair, Mercy, Cruelty, Leadership, Regret, Bloodlust, Fire, Harsh Truths
• Allies:Raiden, Kiritsugu Emiya, Sayaka Miki, Booker DeWitt, Niko Bellic, Iji Katasier, Yuji Sakai, Dempsey
• Enemies: Wizard and Boomstick, Ali al-Saachez, Sundowner
• Opposed by: Yahtzee, Captain America, Commander Shepard (when s/he is completely Renegade, enemy otherwise), the good deities from the House of War, Walter White
• Complicated Relationship with: Setsuna F. Seiei, The Player Character
• Evil Counterpart to: Many Action Hero in general, but specifically Nathan Drake, Captain John Price
• Ascended after the gods in the Pantheon hearing about the sheer destruction that his desire to be a hero caused (namely almost (and some case completely) annihilated Dubai, the death of 47 civilians, the death of the CIA troops, the Damned 33rd, both of his squadmates, Walker's own sanity and, in many cases, himself as well as the first evacuation team sent to the city). All four different versions of Walker ascended, but the one that was chosen to represent his temple is the one that decided to surrender his weapons and go home due to being the only one that actually sane enough to run the temple.
  • After his ascension, Walter White has vowed to get rid of Walker. Not out of any personal grudge but because Walker took one of his temples and White fears that might hurt his reputation and influence within the Pantheon.
• While genuinely like the game he came from, Yahtzee finds him a horrific asshole (especially for the White Phosphorous bombing) and thinks that Walker doesn't deserve to live, let alone ascend into the Pantheon.
• Greet all of his followers with a line: "The truth is that all of you are here because you wanted to feel like something you're not. A hero."
• Walker reserves special contempt for Wiz and Boomstick, and finds the death battles an immature glorification of war. His dislike of Ali al-Saachez, who views war as a playground to murder for fun, is even greater - claiming that even with his insanity, he still realized that War Is Hell. This hatred makes him to lend his help to a (reluctant) Setsuna Seiei, who is uncomfortable working with Walker after hearing about what he has done and his mental state.
• Walker has also forged a cordial relationship with Iji Katasier, as they have both been changed and broken as a result of war. While Walker is impressed with how she was able to stick with her principles despite the war around her, he's concerned that she already had to become a little insane (her really "technical" pacifism, for one) in order to reach her goal.
• Was initially approached by the Pantheon for a position in the Alpha-Omega Force, an offer that unfortunately was accepted by the most bloodthirsty Walker who chose to shot the evacuation team for Dubai. What followed is a busted first mission in which Walker ignore order to mow down countless of people, enemies and civilians alike. The Pantheon immediately remove Walker from the position and replace him with Captain America and forbid him to never get near anyone from the Force again after discover his mental state is messed up at best and murderous at worst.
• Has found a kindred spirit in Raiden and Yuji Sakai, especially with regards to their shared moments of desperation and insanity.
• Is friends with newcomer with Kiritsugu Emiya, due to having the similar views on war - though he is a little shocked by the latter's extreme pragmatism.
• Has been seen sharing several moments with Sayaka Miki, thanks to both being forced to have their views about justice and heroism uprooted which drove them both to terrible breakdowns. He is thus… not fond of Kyubey, but admires Madoka for remaining un-corrupted by selfishness in her heroism and her role in easing the burden of her soldiers. Even if he does find the concept of cute pubescent girl soldiers weird. As for his opinion on Homura Post-Upheaval, he has yet to provide a comment.
• He is not well-liked by many other soldiers for his part in the destruction of Dubai, especially with the possibility that Walker may kill himself rather than face justice or kill the evacuation team to Dubai. This include the good deities from the House of War, Captain America and John Price. Even when Commander Shepard is fully Renegade, s/he still chastises and reluctant to work with Walker because s/he thinks Walker a disaster waiting to happen with his tendency to shoot before collecting information.
  • On the other hand, the more neutral soldiers like Booker De Witt and Dempsey are more forgiving of Walker and feels pity for the effect of war on him.
• Made friends with the Easter-European Niko Bellic because of their similar war experiences. Niko admires Martin for how he didn't resort to Crime after war unlike him, but reassured him that he did also consider a similar path and no one is lucky enough to recover entirely.
• Many Action Hero feels uneasy interacting with Walker because many consider him to be a dark mirror of what they could be. This applies especially true for Nathan Drake and John Price
• Like his game, Walker has a... complicated relationship with the Player Character. Walker is enraged whenever encounter the Player Character, blaming them for giving no choice except for committing the atrocities that he did. In turn, the Player Character feels disgusted and horrified by the actions committed by Walker while repeatedly stated that they were increasingly unable to rein him in as the narrative goes on. Konrad - Walker's hallucination, frequently pops up during these encounter and mocks both Walker and the Player Character only worsen the situations.

Fixed.

edited 19th Feb '17 7:21:47 PM by shatterstar

@Walker. I thought Yahtzee liked him as a character. A deconstruction of an action/military protagonist.

Didn't Yahtzee explicitly call him an asshole during his review? And "bastard" during his column while always chose the suicide ending for Walker? He clearly doesn't like the guy.

@shatterstar: Can you please fix the title, so it says "God of Heroes Who Descended Into Villainy"

for Walker, but I still don't really approve of the trope.

edited 19th Feb '17 7:25:18 PM by nightelf37

I originally planned to have him rework to Heroic Wannabe but N3xus already "dibbed" on the trope, so... [shrug]

I have an idea, make it a complicated relationship with Yahtzee. He may call him an asshole but to be fair, he did credit the game as his most favorite.

So, I was trying to find another less spoilery trope for Walker. I can revise his profile to Motive Decay (because his original mission is to just find any survivors).

I mean, I am pretty sure that the reason why people remember the game is for the spoiler aspect of it.

@ Tropers/Patrickthekid: Add Apophis to his fears.

So, question: What would the cast of Undertale (especially the Human Child) react to Martin Walker? Both of their game examine the consequences of senseless violence and Walker is like the Human Child if he went full genocide route.

So, as someone who never play Undertale, who's Chara?

edited 21st Feb '17 12:28:48 PM by shatterstar

Let's try not to even mention Chara.