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The Subjectives have appeared. They're the killers. Do not die.

  • Alternative Character Interpretation:
    • Are Vincent, Johnny, and Orlando being good friends to Toby and Erica by suggesting the two shouldn't date but otherwise not intervening, or assholes for joking around about it instead of having a serious talk with Erica about whether she really thinks it's emotionally healthy for herself or Toby to not be honest about being a transwoman out of fear of another painful relationship experience?
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    • Is Vincent really cheating? We never see him making a conscious choice to be with Catherine, he merely wakes up with her in his bed every morning with no memory of how she got there. If you're a player who chooses not to have Vincent get black-out drunk at the Stray Sheep, it comes off more like he's being stalked or outright drugged without his knowledge. Which seems especially likely when it turns out Catherine is a succubus and the bartender is "serving" Vincent to her.
    • Is Katherine an honest woman who just wants Vincent to finally take some control in his life? Or is she a Manipulative Bitch who’s perfectly willing to use a variant of The Baby Trap to try and get him to do what she wants?
    • Concerning Catherine: is she a malevolent entity who has willingly led several men to their deaths at the behest of Mutton? Or is she merely a Punch-Clock Villain who has found someone she genuinely likes in Vincent?
  • Awesome Music:
    • A soundtrack composed by Shoji Meguro, consisting of smooth jazz for the quiet scenes and awesome classical remixes for the nightmare scenes.
    • Someone REALLY loves "The Planets".
    • All the level music used in the game are jazzed up arrangements of classical pieces, not only do they sound amazing, but they're rather faithful arrangements and a good gateway into classical music in general.
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  • Bizarro Episode: The Cathedral, up to and including the wakeup from that fake day. It would make more sense if it were a Alternate Universe, but, due to the game's nature...
  • Breather Boss: The eighth boss, who is Catherine, is one of the easier ones in the game. There aren't a whole lot of hazards, the boss' attacks are very obvious, and the blocks have some relatively forgiving arrangements that make climbing to the top very straightforward. This is to ensure that the Escort Mission that the level is won't be too frustrating, since it's the first and only time you have to guide a companion up the tower, and it ensures her AI doesn't muck things up too much.
  • Breather Level: The Quadrangle, which comes right after The Child and right before The Clock Tower, becomes fairly easy once you figure out the main gimmick.
  • Creepy Awesome: The boss of stage 6, a rematch against the baby from stage 4 except it is mechanized with stuff like a chainsaw arm and a machine gun.
  • Demonic Spiders: The Red Sheep. They move fast, jump up two blocks, and can directly kill you. Thankfully, they're still vulnerable to traps, being pushed off, and the book. But pushing them off an edge is easier said than done, so if you can't easily trap them or find a book, then you'll probably have to just evade them, and good luck with that.
  • Disappointing Last Level: The last few stages introduce Random Blocks and Monster Blocks, making the stages less about puzzle-platforming and more about undoing until that next Random Block turns into the block you need.
  • Ensemble Dark Horse: Nergal, Catherine's father, due to his Bumbling Dad personality juxtaposing his status as a demon lord and providing some of the funniest scenes in the game because of it, which includes being used as a throne by Vincent during Catherine's True ending.
  • Fair for Its Day: Poor Erica. Back when the game released, she was praised for being a transgender character in a market where those weren't common at the time, and if they were in, they usually had a negative portrayal. As the years went on, however, she started getting criticized for having her gender be used as a throwaway Unsettling Gender Reveal gag, as well as coming on to Toby even though he felt uncomfortable losing his virginity to someone who was once a man, making both her look like a sexual predator and Toby come off as closed-minded.
  • Hilarious in Hindsight:
    • This image. It's been floating around days before they announced the English Voice Actors. NSFW!
    • "Hilarious" might be an overstatement, but some scenes become amusing when looked back on with the knowledge that Catherine is a succubus, and Invisible to Normals:
      • When Katherine showed up with the cake while Catherine was over, she couldn't have seen Catherine anyway... and when Catherine went into the bathroom, she was probably just eavesdropping from there and waiting for the most inopportune time to flush the toilet.
      • When Catherine showed up at the Chrono Rabbit while Vincent was there with Katherine, she was probably just hanging out in the entryway, shouting things in Vincent's direction.
    • Zero Punctuation's review of the game featured a gag wherein Vincent decides to reject both Katherine and Catherine before running away with a woman named Qatherine. The Full Body version would turn out to have a new character named Qatherine. Ross of Game Grumps made the same joke on a Sonic 3 & Knuckles episode of Grumpcade, and they even predicted her having an unnatural hair color and being a Cute Clumsy Girl.
  • Internet Backdraft:
    • Full Body being exclusive to PlayStation consoles (PS4, Vita). While most expected a release for PS4, many got angry to see PS Vita getting a port while Switch, PC, and even Xbox One didn't get one (considering the "vanilla" version was released for Xbox 360 and is playable in One thanks to retrocompatibility). Many players believe this a mistake by Atlus, considering how many Japanese gaming franchises are no longer being released exclusively for PlayStation and the fact Vita is at the end of its lifespan and being a unsuccessful console in comparison with the newer ones. Also, this put more fire into the "Atlus hates PC" controversy considering Full Body was announced a few weeks after Atlus tried to shut down a PS3 emulator project, saying Persona 5 "shouldn't be played on PC".
    • In one of the new endings for Full Body, Catherine goes back in time so she can place herself in Vincent's high school and the two end up dating. An unclear number of years later, at Vincent and Catherine's wedding, Erica is then seen pre-transition with Toby, who previously only became friends with the rest of the cast after Erica's transition, in order to make another joke about Erica's attraction to Toby. Outside potential Unfortunate Implications, this was seen as Atlus doubling down on problematic Unsettling Gender Reveal jokes in the story by a number of fans, especially in the trans community in both the West and Japan. It even got to the point where several people refused to buy the game or support Atlus in the future. The English voice actress for Erica, Erin Fitzgerald, explained shortly afterwards that the localization team would try to adjust the ending for the Western release, a statement which in itself had another section of fans critical towards Atlus USA for potentially censoring the game. Though it should be noted that changing plot elements for different regions because of differing cultures is not uncommon, and, when done right, more like an alteration than actual censorship.
  • It's Hard, So It Sucks!:
    • You know something's hard when the masochists that are the Atlus fanbase have so much trouble that Atlus had to patch in an easy mode.
    • Hell, Bennett the Sage of That Guy with the Glasses, often shown to be a rather... unpleasant fellow in crossover vids (all played for laughs, of course; he's nothing like that in real life) couldn't even get through the game and have time to review it, most of his video on it was him complaining about the difficulty.
  • Most Annoying Sound:
    • Vincent's incessant cries of "Alright, I got it!" if he picks up items or coins on successive blocks.
    • Vincent's repeated gasps of "Whoa, that's cold!" when slipping on ice blocks. Most prevalent in The Quadrangle.
    • The ringing of the bell as you reach the end of a level.
    • "Edge. Edge. Edge."
      • "Undo. Undo. Undo."
    • The first time you go through the Babel stages, every block that is a step higher tells you "New Record! New Record! New Record! New Record!"
  • Most Wonderful Sound: ''Haaaaallelujah!''
  • Narm:
    • The screams of the sheep as they fall to their deaths would be more pitiful or frightening if their voices weren't so funny ("I'M FAAAA-AAAALLLLIIIIIINNNGGGGG!"). For that matter, the more hostile sheep have equally silly voices.
    • Catherine saying "I'm going to die..." after she breaks down crying when Vincent breaks up with her on Day 7 is somehow darkly hilarious.
  • Narm Charm: "Head goes BOOM!", spoken by the Final Boss.
  • Nightmare Fuel: Has its own page.
  • Nightmare Retardant: So you're facing off against the Final Boss, who is a giant head with a beard made of sheep that are still alive and Glowing Eyes of Doom, and what is the Pre-Mortem One-Liner he delivers before the fight starts?
    "Prepare yourself, boxer boy!"
  • One-Scene Wonder: Nergal, Catherine's dad and ruler of the underworld, who only shows up in the good and true endings of the cheater's route.
  • Periphery Demographic: Surprisingly, the game's multiplayer mode has become popular amongst competitive gamers, to the point where in some locales, there is a tournament scene for the game.
  • Porting Disaster: The Steam release of Catherine Classic has some glaring issues. There are outright Game Breaking Bugs for owners of 2080 TI graphic cardsnote , preventing the game from starting unless certain specific video settings are applied, and risking future crashes throughout gameplay. The audio levels for the port are inconsistent — rendered cutscenes are significantly louder than in-engine cutscenes, which can be very quiet even at maximum volume. The Steam page advertises unlocked framerate, but players quickly discovered on launch that there are 30 FPS caps at odd points in the game.
  • Unintentionally Sympathetic: Vincent is treated by the narrative as being unfaithful... but the circumstances of him doing so more closely resemble Date Rape than actual cheating, with Vincent getting so drunk that his encounters with Catherine come off as Questionable Consent at best and Double Standard: Rape, Female on Male at worst.
    • Catherine, in spite of the above and the scene where she repeatedly hits Vincent in the bathroom. She is shown to be genuinely in love with Vincent, to the point she even neglected her job to be with him more. And at least one of her victims was shown to be a reprehensible person in the first place. note  Being a Punch-Clock Villain instead of fully invested in her crimes probably helped too. Downplayed, though, in that she's often seen as the lesser of two evils, she just wasn't intended to be.
  • Unintentionally Unsympathetic: Katherine. The game tries to set her up as the "good" option to Catherine's "bad", but her domineering behavior ends up making her look like just as much of a Bastard Girlfriend as Catherine — or even worse. She's meant to come off the way she does in the beginning, as a well-meaning (if aloof) young woman with an irresponsible boyfriend, but starts toeing the baby-trapping Control Freak line when she announces she intends to take over Vincent's finances during her Pregnancy Scare, and she crosses it once she reveals that she knew she wasn't pregnant, but maintained the ruse to force Vincent into a marriage he might not be ready for. It says a lot when your emotional abuse is so bad that people consider you worse than a trickster with a tendency for violence.
  • The Un-Twist: Catherine is a succubus. Who honestly didn't see that coming?
    • Before the Updated Re Release even came out, it was already widely speculated that Rin was some kind of angel or alien. Both ended up being true, as Rin comes from a species of angel-like aliens. Rin being biologically male may count as this for a lot of fans as well, though the promotional trailers may be to blame for prematurely giving this away.
  • Values Dissonance: The idea that the nightmares exist to weed out men who won't marry and father children to keep the world populated may make sense in Japan, which is infamous for an aging population coupled with low fertility rates, particularly amongst younger demographics; this leads to the concern that Japan's population will start to die out faster than it can grow. However, this concept makes little sense to those in the rest of the world, which is experiencing the exact opposite problems, including the threat of global overpopulation.
    • Values Resonance: It's not unique to Japan, though. Italy is just as bad with its aging population, with Germany not too far behind, and the rest of the first world also have their aging population problems too. In the case of USA, it only averts this problem due to immigration, and even then, the percentage of senior citizens would rise over 20% in 2050. See here for an overview. The main reason why USA is also having a problem with reproduction is that Millenials don't usually have the time or resources available to raise children.note 
  • Why Would Anyone Take Him Back?: Justified! During the course of the main game, Katherine breaks up with Vincent for pretty justifiable reasons. So, since you can get a Katherine ending, there has to be a good reason why Katherine would ever take Vincent back... and lo and behold, it turns out Catherine was an illusion and Vincent never really cheated. Although it sounds like bullshit at first and Vincent's friends have to back him up for the explanation to stick. And Vincent does admit that in his heart, he really was cheating, so there is some genuine forgiveness shown by Katherine as well.
  • Woolseyism: Calling a barkeep "Master" in America would be a trifle odd, though it's standard in Japan and would be the literal translation. "Boss" seems far smoother and more natural while still conveying the appropriate level of respect. It's such a good bit of translation it even found its way into the dub of Persona 5.


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