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FromtheWordsofBR
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08:24:53 AM Aug 25th 2014
edited by 65.128.240.247
Does Kim Zolciak's "Tardy for the Party" really count? I dislike The Real Housewives of X series myself, but I personally find the song catchy in a So Bad, It's Good way. It's also the theme song to her show Don't Be Tardy..., which must mean it has supporters.
FromtheWordsofBR
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10:41:57 AM Jun 28th 2014
edited by 65.128.240.247
I actually don't think the Ride album featured on here isn't that bad. Mediocre, but not horrible. I'm going to dummy it out.
supergod
12:14:41 PM Aug 25th 2014
Basically, unless there's strong evidence that something is almost universally reviled, even by the intended audience, feel free to get rid of it. Of course nearly everything will have at least a few fans, so it's a matter of degree and will probably require a judgement call.
Idisagree
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07:15:18 PM Jun 2nd 2014
Is the "The World's Worst Cover Band" a Stealth Parody? The title sure sounds like one. If it is then remove it.
AwesomeCreep
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09:34:41 PM May 8th 2014
Does Kid Rock's "Warrior" video really qualify? The video has a lot more likes than dislikes, and there are mostly positive comments.
Idisagree
07:02:38 PM May 13th 2014
If his fans aren't hating enough, take it off. Kid Rock is huge in the Alternative Rock community (I'm a supporter myself) so it probably doesn't count.
FromtheWordsofBR
06:17:53 AM May 26th 2014
It was shown in my school one time and by the end everybody was actually cheering. The song itself isn't all that bad either. So, yeah, take it off!
sanfranman91
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12:08:15 AM Apr 27th 2014
Thoughts on Avril Lavigne's "Hello Kitty"? Accusations about the music video being racist aside, the song has received horrid reviews from critics and audiences alike. Moreover, Avril's fanbase and Vice concur that this song is the worst put out to the public by her.
SuperKing93
11:42:04 PM May 25th 2014
The video boosted sales of the song, so it doesn't count.
FromtheWordsofBR
06:19:39 AM May 26th 2014
Not to mention, that article says Let Go "sucks a*s", which I disagree with.
IDIsaGree
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05:31:39 PM Mar 27th 2014
There's a few entries I think should go. First is London Kaleb. While I don't want to listen to him (I generally dislike the current Dance Pop scene), his page (which was linked) has nothing but positive comments. That means he probably has enough support to be removed.

Second, I don't think the "Bram Stoker's Dracula" (NES) soundtrack counts either. The page linked has almost as many positive comments as negative ones. I heard it and it's main problem is the soundtrack was too complex and experimental for the NES (resulting in Avant-Garde tracks).

Finally "Visons" byAbnormality isn't that bad for Brutal Death Metal and has plenty of supporters. The demo it was featured on has positive reviews as well and it doubles as That One Boss in game. Hatedom doesn't equal this trope, and I never want to see it return.
supernintendo128
03:58:37 PM Apr 5th 2014
edited by 99.56.73.89
I think they should go too. I checked and these works do have their fans. Someone on youtube even questioned why Dracula's soundtrack is on the So Bad, It's Horrible page.
supernintendo128
08:49:19 PM Apr 8th 2014
Ok, I removed Visons and Dracula (NES) from the So Bad, It's Horrible page. What I didn't remove is London Kaleb's entry because it claims that his songs' backing tracks are stolen from popular songs. Any evidence to support this? If there isn't, that's getting cut too.
Idisagree
05:01:32 PM Apr 14th 2014
Could someone also delete that leftover fragment about "Visions" because not only doesn't the song count but the fragment doesn't even make sense in this case. It sounds like it's talking about "Spectacular" (Kiely Williams) which isn't in Rock Band nor is it in anyway brutal (except maybe in that it 'does' suck enough to qualify). Please remove that fragment and put a note about "Visions" (it's on here too often and never counted).

Can't find anymore problems right now but I'll frequent the page.
supernintendo128
10:30:49 PM Apr 14th 2014
Oops, I guess I forgot to remove that. Anyway, no one stepped up to prove that London Kaleb's songs have stolen backing track so that's getting cut too. Anyway, about visions, what note? A note about not putting it on the page?
Idisagree
05:29:08 PM Apr 20th 2014
That's exactly what I'm saying. It's been put on this page despite never qualifying to begin with and got removed for what might be the 6th time.

While I'm not going to listen to it, "The World's Worst Cover Band" is probably Stylistic Suck and thus being unlistenable is most likely the point.
supernintendo128
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05:15:36 PM Dec 31st 2013
edited by 99.56.73.89
I think I'll add Kidz Bop Sings The Beatles on this page. Everyone hates this album. If you don't believe me, search for the covers on youtube and take a look at the dislikes and comments.
ScarletNebula
05:57:45 PM Feb 9th 2014
But then it IS Youtube we're talking about here.
Idisagree
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12:14:53 PM Dec 7th 2013
Who added Visions by Abnormality? It's actually not bad for Brutal Death Metal and Abnormality has good reviews under their belt. "Yes We Can" by Made In Mexico (a normally decent Noise Rock group) is way worse (repetitive, obnoxious and not indicative of the band's style)and that got removed too. Some people ...
supernintendo128
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01:50:58 PM Dec 5th 2013
Does Barnyard Beatles even exist? I couldn't find that cd anywhere on the internet.
supernintendo128
05:29:03 PM Jan 22nd 2014
edited by 99.56.73.89
Seriously, someone prove this album's existence or I'll remove it from the page. The closest I could find to anything like this is Beatles Barkers
FromtheWordsofBR
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11:39:38 AM Aug 14th 2013
I have no clue WHY the soundtrack from the already-horrible 2004 pirated Sega Genesis game (yes, a 2004 Sega Genesis game) Crazy Bus (no relation to the song from Arthur) is not included in the "Soundtracks" section. The music sounds generated at random, it has no beat or rhythm to it at ALL, it's incredibly loud, and worst of all, it's a large Ear Worm. Here's the music and some gameplay.
Idisagree
12:28:03 PM Oct 5th 2013
Because the Advent Garde people and noise fans like the Sensory Abuse and abysmal tune. The song might be hated but it has too many supporters to put here. Even I admit the song is kinda cool. The game however ...
HeavyMetalSnail
01:03:24 PM Oct 20th 2013
Could you please show an example of said Avant Garde/Noise fans? I think we're going to need more than just your word about how the song has too many supporters.
IDisagree
02:30:00 PM Nov 1st 2013
How about the fact that videos of the song have more likes than dislikes and some positive comments, or that It's mentioned on an Awesome Music page (Although it is called So horrible it's hilarious), or the occasional supporters. Any of that would be genuine support. One guy even compared it to Bucket Head in its weirdness.
HeavyMetalSnail
06:00:46 PM Nov 7th 2013
Fair enough then. Keep it off.
Idisagree
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01:11:12 PM Jul 14th 2013
Do the remixes really count. I mean sure they're amateur but definitely not the worst thing I've ever heard (I've heard worse on the radio such as the current Dance Pop scene). Although I probably would agree on the one involving Kesha if only because of bias against her music. Remixes tend to be either good or mediocre or bad. Surgeons Law especially applies to them (like Fan fiction).

We're looking for the worst of the worst and not mediocre. The My Little Pony example definitely sounds more lazy than bad. Tell me if you think we should ditch that folder.
ABLb0y
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03:19:14 PM Jul 6th 2013
Just a thought: Rule 4: If you heard it on the radio, however briefly, the odds are very good that it is not horrible. What if it's on some sort of 'worst songs ever' list?
FromtheWordsofBR
11:45:35 AM Aug 14th 2013
I don't think it really matters. Las Ketchup's "The Ketchup Song (Asereje)" is included on the infamous AOL Radio list "100 Worst Songs Ever" (featured here on this very page), but upon release the song shot straight to number one on several charts in 27 countries.
sanfranman91
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02:26:39 AM Jul 2nd 2013
The Milli Vanilli concert in Bristol, Connecticut, anyone? Not only was this an egregious case of lip-syncing, this was also the moment the performers were caught as fakes... on MTV, no less. I think it should be put up on the performances tab of this page, but if anyone objects let me know.

Here's the video catching them lip-sync and quit on the performance, if you're interested.
InTheGallbladder
10:56:50 AM Nov 30th 2013
edited by 69.181.168.220
I personally thought that clip was funny, but what the hell, I'll put it up, vet it past the rest of the gang. It is, after all, a show that had something horribly wrong with it, with severe negative repercussions.
flashsucks
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12:09:10 PM Jun 21st 2013
Has anyone here heard of Billy Joel's old music project called Atilla? Considering the man himself called the music "psychedelic bullshit", and that it has a one star rating on allmusic, i think it counts for SBIH status. The music itself is basically a white noise of distorted organs and barely-there drums. Here's a listen.
SuperKing93
11:30:07 AM Jun 23rd 2013
The album has a 3 star average on Rate Your Music. It doesn't qualify for this site.
flashsucks
02:11:10 PM Jun 23rd 2013
Really? Even the wikipedia page mentions that it's considered to be one of the worst rock albums of all time. Furthermore, Rate Your Music has a 2.75 average for Boston's Corporate America, yet we still included that on this list. Attila only has a higher rating because there were fewer votes. It certainly qualifies.

SuperKing93
02:51:11 AM Jun 24th 2013
I don't think Corporate America really belongs here either.
HeavyMetalSnail
01:23:28 AM Jun 28th 2013
Yeah it really doesn't belong here. It was a total bomb with critics and fans, a complete and utter commercial failure with overly preachy lyrics and failed attempts to recapture the magic of their debut album and pretty much guaranteed the band would never rise back to relevance as it was their last album ever but it doesn't belong here because...why? Because three people liked it or because it has a supposed niche with a group of people?
LadyStardust
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07:23:21 PM Jun 16th 2013
Why are the soundtracks for video games? Can't movies have bad soundtracks too?
flashsucks
12:27:42 PM Jun 21st 2013
I've actually been looking this up, but what i found was very YMMV. For the most part, there's no real criticism on the music itself. No observations on the quality of the rhythms, melodies, or anything like that. Basically, what i found was people either bitching about soundtracks that had artists they didn't like or were overexposed, such as in this awful list, people nitpicking over supposedly inappropriate sound direction (this guy seems to HATE synthesizers), or people who found a way to do both, like this guy.

The problem for the most part is that in trying to find bad film scores, i run across lists written by contrarian hacks who crap on anything that used to be popular. (I get, I get. "My Heart Will Go On" is overrated. Now STFU.)
IDisagree
02:35:23 PM Nov 1st 2013
Not true, some of the So Bad, It's Horrible movies like "Pound Puppies: The Legend of Big Paw" do have soundtracks that are worse than the movie and then there's that Country number from North.
flashsucks
05:39:55 PM Nov 4th 2013
@ I Disagree

I read Lady Stardust's question as just referring to film scores, not actual songs. I can't actually find anything along those lines. I guess something like that is just too subjectively based to be judged.

As for songs, the entire soundtrack to The Postman won the 1997 Golden Raspberry award for Worst Original Song. Also, it's been covered in the So Bad it's Good section, but considering that [[Western Animation/Thumbelina Marry the Mole]] was the only song from an animated movie to win the award too, I think it counts as well.
Idisagree
11:31:13 AM Nov 15th 2013
Maybe we should make a film section under soundtracks. "Merry The Mole" has legitimate supporters and most find it So Bad, It's Good anyway. However even the supporters of "Merry The Mole" hate "Thumbelina" (the song, not the movie) and for good reason. The two instances I mentioned above also count.
BearyScary
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02:00:36 PM May 4th 2013
A song from an NES video game based on Bram Stoker's Dracula is on this list under Soundtracks, but when I checked out the YouTube video to listen to it, I found a lot of comments saying the song wasn't really that bad. It made me wonder if the song is objectively SBIH ebough to belong on the page, or if it's too YMMV for it. Personally, I think the song is annoying, but not quite Horrible. Still, I would like some other tropers' input on whether or not it deserves to be on this page.
Idisagree
12:30:41 PM Oct 5th 2013
If people say it's not bad (as in actual support), then it might not count. However the soundtrack's main problem is it's trying too hard and being too experimental (resulting in something too advent garde for the NES). I agree it's actually pretty good.
Idisagree
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06:34:00 PM Mar 15th 2013
Before anyone adds any Metallica examples again, I'd like to say all their stuff has a niche. Saint Anger might have a large hatedom but it has supporters like Mike Portnoy, and others find it So Bad, It's Good. Also Acoustic Metal was a mediocre bootleg but brough us the Tuesday's Gone cover and the rest is laughably bad. As for Lulu, it might be hated but it has a niche with the Advent Garde people and Metallica performed well on their tracks.

Please don't add any examples from that band.
Buscemi
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05:34:08 PM Mar 4th 2013
A suggestion for the music video section: Kid Rock's video for Warrior. This video was trashed for basically being a propaganda piece for the National Guard, with random shots of the military and a Big Lipped Alligator Moment with Dale Earnhardt Jr. in a race (which is never mentioned again nor does it relate to the song). The video was ever hated by the target audience (which only got play due to a deal with Screenvision to show it before movies).
JHM
07:17:12 AM Mar 8th 2013
Add it if you think it's relevant. If anyone takes issue, then they can take it down and we'll have a discussion about it then.
JHM
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06:58:42 AM Feb 4th 2013
edited by JHM
Deleted this entry:
  • Farrah Abraham's album My Teenage Dream Ended. The lyrics and dubstep-esque beats are insanely generic, and her autotuned voice does nothing but harm the songs. Upon the release of the last track on the album, "Finally Getting Up From Rock Bottom," pretty much every popular news source that wrote about the song called it "the worst song ever," The album was a massive flop and has a 1.5 (out of 5) rating on iTunes.

My Teenage Dream Ended actually has a bit of a cult following based on how unintentionally bizarre it is. If anything, it's So Bad, It's Good. Having heard it myself, I can attest to this; it's like The Shaggs on dubstep pills.
Idisagree
04:34:27 PM Mar 13th 2013
Really, you're going to support that, I supported Jack and Jill but you're supporting an insult to noise, Dub Step and Pop Music. That song is the single worst thing I've ever heard in my entire life. Before you ask, I'm a fan of Advent Garde and I find that painful. The Shaggs had a charm but this does not. Sorry if I sound mean but at least, the linked needs to be on this page.
prototybeB
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11:00:59 AM Jan 22nd 2013
I deleted the Joe Pesci example. If anyone thinks it belongs, feel free to share your feelings.
tonagamu
11:03:03 PM Jan 22nd 2013
Ummm... Can I ask why? It last long enough on here and people seemed to think it fit. It was lambasted to DEATH by critics and many Pesci fans find it immature and insulting.
tonagamu
10:50:22 AM Jan 25th 2013
If you can't explain anything, I'm going to re-add the entry.
prototybeB
05:19:22 PM Jan 26th 2013
How about this, Tonagamu, take the 5 seconds it takes to research why it doesn't qualify. And don't just look it up on Wikipedia. There's more internet out there than just one site. Then come back here and YOU tell ME why this album doesn't belong here. K?
imnotboykun
06:31:40 AM Jan 27th 2013
edited by imnotboykun
How about this, prototybeB, take the 5 seconds to research why it does qualify. And don't just look it up on Wikipedia. There's more internet out there than just one site. Then come back here and YOU tell ME why this album does belong here. K?
AquaRegia
12:17:25 PM Jan 28th 2013
edited by AquaRegia
I find it extra classy that you left the edit open to discussion, and then went berserk when someone politely requested a reason. But yeah, if you're gonna edit something and if you're pressed for a reason, YOU have to do it. Tonagamu is under no obligation to do your own work for you.
prototybeB
01:11:05 AM Jan 29th 2013
Excuse my rudeness, I'm just tired of Tonagamu adding a whole bunch of examples that don't qualify, and some very obviously so. And this is one of them. He's not obligated to do the research, no, but really he's probably already done it and added the example regardless. I say this because you can very clearly see the number of likes in the video he linked the entry to... overwhelming likes vs. the dislikes. Also, only All Music really gave it a negative review, and it seems that it's only because of the gangsta rap in the middle of the album. I thought it was glaringly obvious why it didn't belong here, and was astounded that it stayed on the list as long. I highly recommend you look into anything he adds, because frankly, at least half of it has some type of fanbase to it.
tonagamu
02:38:53 AM Feb 9th 2013
So... why was it removed again?
HeavyMetalSnail
01:26:07 AM Jun 28th 2013
Because it had good reviews on Amazon, iTunes, and Barnes and Noble and most people don't seem to hate it that much.

Now was that so hard?
lovermother
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10:52:04 AM Jan 2nd 2013
I'm considering taking down the Giegue Battle theme. While I will admit that it is more than a little irritating, I feel that the high-pitched ringing suits the tense atmosphere of the final battle well enough.
Idisagree
07:57:15 PM Jan 26th 2013
What came is that from? If you mean Giygas, then why is it here?
imnotboykun
08:35:42 PM Jan 26th 2013
The game is the original MOTHER. You do fight Giygas at the end, but in MOTHER he's a grey alien (who is called "Giegue" originally)before he loses his shit and becomes the thing that he is in EarthBound. Anyway, the music being discussed is the theme that plays when you fight him. While you're probably familiar with the psychotic meltdown that is the Giygas battle theme in EarthBound, the music that plays when you fight him in MOTHER is little more than a high pitched ringing noise. I guess someone thought that is was deserving of a place here, but I would disagree.
tonagamu
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11:21:52 PM Dec 24th 2012
A number of months ago someone mentioned possibly adding a "classical music" section full of composers or compositions generally considered horrible. The response was that generally bad works do not get passed through Oral Tradition and the existence of the Nostalgia Filter, etc. etc....

After some thinking 2 things occurred to me: 1.) The whole idea of the existence of these pages is the recognition of terrible works. If terrible works do not get passed down through oral tradition, then what is it that we are really doing here? Has it always been part of human nature to recognize the ugly, or has it only recently become a modern fad with the rise of internet critics and the like? I think it's always been a thing and that if you search hard enough you could find something out there which has, for whatever reason, been preserved. 2.) The addition of Daniel Smith proves that, yes, interpretation and poor instrumentation can wildly affect how it sounds. Thus showing the equality between popular music and classical music. However, there seems to be a huge number of inclusions in popular music, and not quite a whole lot of the classical stuff. I want to start compiling some of the bad classical recordings/ performances that are out there, because trust me, there's a boatload of them.
Idisagree
12:32:57 PM Oct 5th 2013
Good idea. I'm sure there is Horrible classical music but how much is the question. I support you here.
SuperKing93
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12:20:02 PM Dec 6th 2012
Does Al Walser's song "I Can't Live Without You" belong here?

It was nominated for a Grammy for Best Dance Recording, but EDM fans absolutely hate the song. The general perception of the song is absolutely awful, even worse than Rebecca Black's "Friday."

Here's the song if you haven't heard it yet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJEdy301yVo

The only thing it has going for it is its Grammy nomination. Otherwise I would put it on the page in a heartbeat.
InTheGallbladder
01:48:07 PM Dec 8th 2012
That it gained the prominence necessary to even be considered is a success that would get it taken off pretty quickly.
SuperKing93
03:58:07 PM Dec 9th 2012
That is mostly true, however Al Walser's Grammy nomination is controversial to say the least...I'll still leave it off the page for now
tonagamu
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04:44:44 PM Oct 8th 2012
I'm not sure whether to edit the Daniel Smith section or downright remove it after doing the following research:

Yes, he's hated for his bassoon work and is generally considered to be unskilled with the instrument. However, he's known for being a fantastic music teacher and composer and has done work that has given him acclaim. Basically saying, as long as he isn't touching a bassoon, he's well-liked.

On the other hand, he seems insistent on playing the bassoon, even after being laughed out of nearly every orchestra he's auditioned for. His constant library of releases are all self-financed (he makes his money off of teaching college and from his compositions) and still have extremely negative reviews, with even the most lighthearted of classical and jazz fans finding his bassoon playing sleep-inducing.

So if we keep him here, would we keep him in the "musician" section? because that seems rather insulting to a person is a good musician, but a terrible bassoonist, or would we put him into a section for special cases? I say this because there's not a single album or song that's bad, it's the entire body of his bassoon work that's terrible.
InTheGallbladder
07:15:48 PM Oct 8th 2012
Well, yeah, we should get rid of that. If he's been acclaimed and has works that are well-recieved, then by default he's too good to be here.
tonagamu
12:44:00 AM Oct 9th 2012
Well, then by default the Elvis entry should be deleted just because it's Elvis... What I'm talking about is his composition and teaching work have been acclaimed, his bassoon work has been hated, so I'm trying to figure out if placing under the "musician" folder would be appropriate if it appears to be the bassoon he's so bad at. Like I said, he insists on using the damn instrument even though critics and fellow bassoonists alike both agree he's not made for it and/or needs a lot more practice.
InTheGallbladder
11:53:49 AM Oct 9th 2012
You bring up a good point. I think we could get away with putting him in either "Albums" or "Other." Does he play bassoon live, or only on recordings?
tonagamu
02:09:05 PM Oct 9th 2012
He plays it live and on recordings. Both are equally hated.
tonagamu
02:09:05 PM Oct 9th 2012
edited by tonagamu
He plays it live and on recordings. Both are equally hated.

Derp: Double post again! I have no idea why my comp keeps doing this, I'll click the button once and it'll post twice.
InTheGallbladder
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12:42:10 AM Oct 7th 2012
Up for discussion:
  • Morbid Angel's 2011 album Illud Divinum Insanus has quickly become famous for this among the metal community. It features a legendary death metal band making a piss-poor attempt at '90s industrial, with most of the tracks sounding like they were salvaged from the bottom of Rob Zombie's trash can a decade earlier and stored in a compost heap until they were ready to go on the album. Then there's the horrendous production, the astoundingly terrible lyrics and the equally terrible vocal performance of David Vincent, and the fact that the songs that don't sound like Rob Zombie/Marilyn Manson ripoffs are, among other things, Lamb of God-aping groove (10 More Dead), Black Label Society-aping buttrock (I Am Morbid), The Berzerker-aping industrial grind (Mea Culpa), and, at the very best, shitty death metal far below their standards (Nevermore, Existo Vulgore, Beauty Meets Beast, Blades for Baal). Occasionally you'll find someone who argues that the album is So Bad, It's Good, but the only ones who seem to think it's actually good are the band themselves, who defended it every bit as vehemently when it came out as Cryptopsy did for the above entry.

I don't think it fits here. It's far too well-recieved. A quick look through the Reception part of the Wikipedia page alone yields enough favorable-to-middling reviews. The page itself says "mixed reviews."
Also, going by Metal-Archives— 38% based on 29 reviews; to compare, Perverse Recollections of a Necromangler had 13% based on 21 reviews. On Discogs, the master release page has 2.81 out of five based on 90 votes.
In short, it would seem this is a very divisive album, rather than a simply bad one. While it does have its detractors, and they are numerous, it's still not bad enough to be here.
tonagamu
04:37:49 PM Oct 8th 2012
edited by tonagamu
Also, the person accusing All Music for having "poor reputation when it comes to metal". Are you serious? It's one of the most respected music sites around, especially for the reviews section. So to discredit them just because you disagree with their reviews is rather moot.

Also, 38 percent is a high enough percentage to throw an album on here. I vote to keeping it off the list.
HasturHasturHastur
08:49:46 AM Oct 14th 2012
Maybe for genres outside of metal. When it comes to metal, All Music is a joke, having given abysmal scores to numerous albums that are revered by metal fans and excellent scores to hated albums. Rate Your Music is generally considered to be a far more reliable source for gauging the quality of metal albums, and I has a score of 1.70 there. Finally, just ASK your average metal fan what they think of I. I don't think you'll find a person who has a single good thing to say about it beyond the unintentional hilarity of some of the lyrics. Seriously, next time you're at a metal show, ask people what they think of the new Morbid Angel.
tonagamu
11:49:56 AM Oct 17th 2012
All Music, just like Rolling Stone is prone to giving smaller ratings to albums that have been Vindicated by History, that much I've heard. A lot my metalhead friends actually use All Music as a guide to what to listen to in certain metal genres.
InTheGallbladder
02:08:27 AM Oct 18th 2012
edited by InTheGallbladder
Rate Your Music is consistently less favorable towards releases than the vox populi, and even if it wasn't, it in itself doesn't outweigh the countless middling-to favorable (sometimes quite favorable) reviews IDI has recieved.
When it comes to opinion, validity is not measurable by desirability.
JamesShade
11:04:36 PM Dec 14th 2013
edited by 72.84.92.168
Checking The Metal Observer, their two reviews approach it from two different perspectives - that of a pissed of death metalhead and that of a more open-minded semi-fan of Industrial/Groove. The former (naturally) marks it at 1.5/10. The latter actually marks it at 7/10. Even if TMO falls under Caustic Critic status or otherwise doesn't count as a "professional" source for the purposes of SBIH, I'd say they still demonstrates that Illud doesn't fit here.
tonagamu
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07:13:59 AM Oct 2nd 2012
Can we re-instate Billy Idol's cover of The Velvet Underground's "Heroin"? I know I'm the one that removed it, but I'm really not sure how much Cyberpunk fans actually support the cover and how many think it's the worst track on the album.
flashsucks
10:38:27 AM Oct 19th 2012
It's funny you mention that, as being a fan of the album myself, i discovered that there are actually TWO versions of Billy's cover of Heroin. The original doesn't sound too shabby, although (like the album) it could have been better executed, but the released version does sound like total crap.
flashsucks
06:57:06 AM Oct 20th 2012
My bad, i had the sound off when i linked those videos. Forget what i said before, i'll let you decide what's best. Released, and Original. After looking at them once again, the original is actually worse than what was released.
SallyB
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06:36:38 PM Sep 23rd 2012
"4. If you heard it on the radio, however briefly, the odds are very good that it is not horrible. "

So how does that explains entries like the "Papa Don't Preach" cover?
tonagamu
02:52:08 AM Sep 25th 2012
that was on the radio for like a week... however there may be an explanation for this one. Remember how big MTV's The Osborne's was back in the early 2000s. It was probably a huge attempt to market it that failed horrendously radio stations dropped it within a weed because it simply didn't sell. Most of the time songs that make it on the radio are there due to radio airplay demand from listeners, other times its because of an attempt to cash on something (though this happens less often than you'd think).
tonagamu
02:52:58 AM Sep 25th 2012
Now if the song charted then you'll have an argument.
InTheGallbladder
02:09:22 AM Oct 18th 2012
edited by InTheGallbladder
The rule just states "The odds are very good." It's meant to keep people from passing off their opinions toward a popular song as fact (which happens often) It doesn't state that there's no way a song that got airplay can't be.
mjb1124
10:08:06 AM Dec 30th 2012
edited by mjb1124
Well, I remember the song being quite popular for at least a little while, appearing on radio request shows and MTV's TRL. A check of The Other Wiki also shows it peaked at #3 in the UK. Besides all that, this troper actually thinks this cover is severely underrated, and that people hate the idea of it more than the reality. (I also feel the same way about Celine Dion's AC/DC cover, but that's another discussion.) I don't think Kelly Osbourne is a great musician or anything, but she did a fine enough job singing it, and I really liked Incubus' arrangement.
PropaneNightmare
07:07:02 PM Jan 18th 2013
It got played, but it hardly sold.
tonagamu
02:38:27 AM Feb 9th 2013
There seems to be enough fuss to get this removed... also #3 in the UK is a sign of sales...

Incubus did the arrangement for it? If so the odds are HIGHLY unlikely that it belongs on here.
PancticeSquadCutterback
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07:06:28 AM Sep 23rd 2012
I would like to remove Yes We Can since all the other Guitar Hero songs were removes as they have fans. That song has its fans too.
Idisagree
08:01:30 PM Jan 26th 2013
There was a reason it was here. It's the single most hated song in Guitar Hero History, is painful, and universally disliked. When people are comparing it unfavorably to Justin Bieber, it qualifies. That and there isn't a niche for it either as it sounds like Noise Rock Mariachi done badly and is completely unrepresentative of Made In Mexico's quality.
Hammerhead
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03:01:41 PM Sep 5th 2012
I am going to add Blood on the Dance Floor (the BAND, NOT the Michael Jackson song) to the list. However, before I did so, I figure I'd make my case here.

  • Firstly, the band is critically maligned. See here, here, here, and here. I should note that some of these are user/contributor reviews, while some are staff. However, they all seem to have pretty good critical credentials. There's plenty more where that came from, too - I couldn't find any positive critical reviews.
  • They don't sell very well. Neither of their first two albums (Let's Start a Riot, It's Hard to Be A Diamond in a Rhinestone World) charted at all. EPIC did make it to 5 on the Dance, and 12 on the Heatseekers, but All the Rage charted fairly lower than that. The only quasi-successful album they've had is their most recent - Evolution, which did make it to 1 on the Dance charts, and 42 on the main charts. HOWEVER, it should be noted that they only had any sort of success starting in 2010 - which was suspiciously very closely after the lead singer was accused of having sex with several underage girls (and by underage, I mean 12 to 14). I'm not sure how their singles have fared, though.
  • It's true - the band does have fans. A quick search of their videos on youtube, and you'll find most high like/dislike rating. However, they still have quite a few people who hate them video reviewing, and flaming their videos. Then again, Brokencyde has fans, as did Alanis' old albums, and the song Spectacular mentioned in this article - which has similar lyrics to the average BOTDF song.
  • They do NOT get radio airplay, due to their lyrics. Additionally, they haven't contributed to the formation of any music genre of movement.

Decide for yourself whether you feel the entry should be kept, and I certainly won't be heartbroken if it's taken down, but I'm putting it up for now.
tonagamu
12:24:53 PM Sep 19th 2012
They are HUGE with the Hot Topic crowd. Even if their music is hated by critics, the scene kids love them anyways.
tonagamu
12:30:55 PM Sep 19th 2012
Also, charting at all especially making it to #1 on a given chart indicates that they do sell well. Artists that don't sell well usually don't even chart.

Also if you're going to be using the "screwed up things a band member has been accused of" as a reason to list them as SBIH, then we might as well list Mayhem (who have a strong fanbase and critical acclaim to boot).
Idisagree
07:28:57 PM Apr 26th 2013
I've seen people wearing Blood On the Dance Floor shirts at high school so No.
Spinosegnosaurus77
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10:34:37 AM Jul 5th 2012
edited by 99.253.66.243
Whoops, sorry. Please ignore this.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
10:45:15 PM Aug 10th 2012
Have they charted?
tonagamu
06:34:22 PM Aug 27th 2012
Not just charted, what do their "like" vs "dislike" portions look like on YouTube?
Spinosegnosaurus77
05:43:43 AM Sep 19th 2012
Haven't looked, but I now doubt they count anyway.
ading
03:58:39 PM Mar 24th 2013
Both of them have about 4 times more likes than dislikes. They don't count.
zandercan
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02:33:09 PM May 25th 2012
Cutting this bit out of the covers section.

That awful cover of "Magic Carpet Ride" featured on the Reservoir Dogs soundtrack by a band called Bedlam.

That actually sounds decent, if not good. Can anyone explain how this could be considered an awful cover?
tonagamu
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05:23:13 PM Apr 30th 2012
So that way you guys stop edit warring this, Double Take's "Hot Problems" is causing quite a ruckus. I mean it does seem pretty bad, but anyone who wants to know what songs like these sound like when they're a train wreck, look no farther than Jenna Rose's "My Jeans". This just seems like a joke that's stirring up a lot of attention. Heck Rebecca Black doesn't qualify for this list, and she didn't really have a following that thought the song was a joke or "parody".
Idisagree
02:50:11 PM Aug 10th 2012
I Think we found something that makes "My Jeans" and Friday look good. I found Farrah Abraham's song "Finally Getting Up From Rock Bottom", on this page. It's got some of the blandest lyrics mixed with a beat that sounds like Optimus Prime taking a dump and every Dance Pop cliche in the book. I'd say we keep it.
ading
04:08:02 PM Mar 24th 2013
edited by ading
"Friday" isn't that bad if you don't pay attention to the words, and if you do it comes across more as amusingly stupid than anything. Everything about "Hot Problems" is just painful to listen to.
flashsucks
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10:32:27 AM Apr 21st 2012
Cut the article on Corporate America. I felt that while it wasn't a good Boston album, it wasn't a horrible album on it's own. And the fact that they haven't released a new album since is largely because of Brad Delp's suicide in 2007. Furthermore, Tom had been known to be involved in charities and other causes. This article felt a little too pissy and nit-picky about him bringing that to his music. Here's the article if anyone decides to put it back up.

  • Boston were unfortunately never able to recapture the success of their self titled debut, however "Don't Look Back", "Third Stage" and "Walk On" have their fans. The majority, on the other hand, didn't like the darker style those albums took, so they released "Corporate America" in 2002, an attempt to mix the first album's style with some new elements, which is considered by even hardcore fans of the previous three albums to be a major disaster. All the songs are rushed, there are no inspiring riffs or solos or vocal melodies, the vocals are annoying and the lyrics are foolish propaganda. However, the album utterly tops itself when one reads the little "message" in the liner notes where Tom embarrasses himself (and the band) with his political agenda, providing links to environmental organizations and PETA. The album flopped and marked the downfall of the band, who haven't released another album since then, and since has ran out of print.
Sen
08:12:14 AM Jun 4th 2012
I couldn't help but suspect the person who wrote that was somehow right-wing.
PropaneNightmare
02:02:16 AM Oct 14th 2012
Just because one person doesn't think it's horrible, doesnt mean it doesn't belong.
flashsucks
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06:37:43 PM Apr 11th 2012
Do Alanis Morissette's pre-JLP albums count as So Bad it's Horrible? They seem to be more of a mixed bag. People who don't just leave one word pejoratives on the youtube videos seem to like the Paula Abdul-esque dance pop she was making at the time, and it doesn't even qualify as an old shame since Alanis said that she wasn't really embarrassed about their existence. In her words, "...I'm not scared people might hear these records. I never did Playboy centrefolds. There's nothing I regret. Maybe people will just understand that my lyrics are from different experiences if they hear those records. It validates [Jagged Little Pill] ... There was an element of me not being who I really was at the time and I'm now more experienced with my life. It was because I wasn't prepared to open up that way. The focus for me then was entertaining people and getting my feet wet in the business, it was about being young & having fun as opposed to sharing any revelations I had at the time. I had them, but I wasn't prepared or comfortable with sharing it." So, what then?
tonagamu
12:26:31 PM Apr 12th 2012
I think her section should be revised and/or moved as there are some sections of those albums that considered SBIH. If the whole albums isn't considered qualified, then odds are there are probably songs that are qualified.
FromtheWordsofBR
05:42:12 AM Oct 2nd 2013
You know how in her "Eight Easy Steps" video, the clips from her life are placed Back to Front a la Enigma's "Return to Innocence"? Well, a couple of them are from her dance-pop era. Obviously she can't be embarrassed about them if she was brave enough to put them in a post-Jagged Little Pill video.
Kimo
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08:58:57 PM Apr 7th 2012
I'd like to propose a cut for the disco cover of Led Zeppelin's "Stairway to Heaven." It's not bad, much less bad enough to warrant its presence on this page. Honestly, as far as disco goes, this is actually pretty good. I'm actually surprised at how well "Heaven" has translated to disco, considering the write-up for it here. "Whole Lotta Love" works pretty cool as well.

Seriously, as a disco tune, this isn't bad by any stretch of the imagination. Trust me, there's much worse than this within the genre. As a cover, it's pretty interesting and it's blatantly obvious they weren't trying to emulate the original anyways.

It seems to be on here because a fan of rock who likely doesn't enjoy disco to begin with was just that offended at the gall of someone doing a cover of a Zeppelin song in a genre like disco.
Kimo
09:04:28 PM Apr 7th 2012
Actually, I'm just going to go ahead and cut/paste it here. If someone can give a good argument for its inclusion besides "it's 'Stairway,' BUT DISCO?!," feel free to put it back.

  • Led Zeppelin's "Stairway To Heaven" has been covered by countless artists. The covers range from awesome to plain unlistenable. The worst of these covers is probably the... wait for it... disco version. It was done by an obscure disco band, called The Wonder Band. The problem here is that the song has been extended to nearly 18 minutes, more than doubling the time of the original (because it also tries to sneak a cover of "Whole Lotta Love" in there near the end). It also has over-the-top orchestrations, and really out of place instrumentation. It sucks all the intensity the song normally builds up. The vocals are also done by a baritone trying to wail up in Robert Plant's demanding range instead of dropping the octave. Here's part 1 and part 2 if you can stomach it.
jackedup85
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08:07:57 PM Mar 11th 2012
Why is The Black Eyed Pea's Super Bowl Halftime Show removed?

Here it is before it was last deleted:

  • There's a reason why The Black Eyed Peas' performance at Super Bowl XLV is considered by many to be the worst halftime show in Super Bowl history. The performance was riddled with terrible lip-synching of their songs that cut-off at random times. In the middle of the performance, Slash shows up out of nowhere to accompany Fergie covering "Sweet Child o' Mine," only for Fergie to sing completely off-key and ruin the Guns And Roses classic (in front of their legendary guitarist, no less.) And after that abortion, Usher shows up and fails to impersonate Michael Jackson as he performed "OMG" with Will.I.Am. Add the backup costumes that would embarrass fans of TRON: Legacy and you got a performance many American Football fans pretend never happened.
Antwan
02:12:04 AM Jul 15th 2012
Believe it or not, the fans thought it was great. So as bad as their performance was, most of the fans were happy to see them performing. Bad, but not that bad.
Idisagree
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02:40:13 PM Jan 29th 2012
How come, Rebecca Black Friday keeps getting deleted. It's known for being both a staple on recent "worst song ever" lists and being the most disliked video on YouTube. Not to mention the Wikipedia's article on it is nearly all backlash. Besides it's obnoxious, poorly written, and artless even by Pop "standards". Don't you dare say So Bad, It's Good, as it's niche is entirely composed of Trolls. Give me a reason its not at least as bad as the other examples.
crazyrabbits
11:25:16 PM Feb 26th 2012
edited by crazyrabbits
This is a hard question to answer. A look at the Youtube comments shows that it's roughly 4-1 in favor of dislikes. On the other hand, it's considered to be a success by Ark Music Factory (who used the exposure of this video to put out several more videos), and there seem to be people out there (at least 125,000, if Youtube is anything to go by) that genuinely like it.

It also seems heavily subject to Hype Aversion - people who search it out are automatically predisposed to hate it. It's no more poorly shot than any of the other videos on the list, and it can be credited with launching Black's career (as the publicity allowed her to land a record deal). By the standards of what it is (a cheap tween pop song), it's no worse than most.

Is it that horrible? Personally, I don't think so. It's just kids latching onto something so they can pretend they're cool for hating it. I've seen much worse from amateur musicians.
tonagamu
07:04:10 AM Feb 29th 2012
It's So Bad, It's Good because it's actually a Guilty Pleasure for a lot of people. Jenna Rose fails this because her song's also an Ear Worm, but one of the annoying kind, wheras Black's "Friday" while poorly sung and produced, is at least bubbly and not so much on the annoying side.
Idisagree
08:55:39 PM Mar 3rd 2012
Really I've never met anyone who believes that or seen a possitive review. Besides I gave more than enough reasons, a lot more than you gave. Also I studied this trope inside and out, looking at the exact qualifications. If you could show me a single possitive review not in Sarcasm Mode, I might believe you.

Also just because she got a record label, doesn't mean the song is a Guilty Pleasure. I mean the senior prank last year was to play the song over the intercome and it was considered super cruel.
nanoman923
06:28:38 PM Mar 12th 2012
give up and accept the fact that you're just beating a dead horse. Nobody cares.
Idisagree
05:12:06 PM Mar 15th 2012
You're right, but why should it has every reason to be put here I can think of. Dead horse maybe but if it's famously hated for lack of quality and being annoying beyond Wall Banger, then it counts. Besides all but one critic have bashed it and it's been parodied by multiple sources for being horrible and dated (the day it came out). When a song has to be Rewritten to be tolerable it counts.

Also I've been examining the discussions for months before saying anything. I guess we should just let this good example go away. What some of you don't get is that iif it was hated for the same reasons as Justin Bieber, it wouldn't have as many dislikes as that prick. I'll add it again and if you delete it and list a good reason, I'll let it go.
ading
04:05:02 PM Mar 24th 2013
The thing is, a lot of people consider it as So Bad, It's Good. Regardless of whether or not you agree, it's a popular opinion.
Idisagree
07:19:46 PM Apr 26th 2013
Never mind, I was in a ranting mood and needed stopping. It kinda got Vindicted By History into So Bad, It's Good.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
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09:07:29 PM Nov 19th 2011
Cut this and put it here. Is it worse than the original?

This could be filed under Fridge Horror, given proper exposition. But not here. If it would be good if only you didn't know English...

  • This atrocious cover of Linkin Park's "Faint". It's a good cover on its own, but when you add in the lyrics it suddenly becomes Horrible.
tonagamu
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12:52:31 PM Nov 8th 2011
Just wanted to say thank you guys for not adding the Metallica/ Lou Reed collaboration, Lulu. There are supporters of the album out there and I was afraid after the critical bashing it had that someone was going to add it to this list.
tonagamu
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08:15:05 PM Oct 20th 2011
Added Savage... Since all he has is on a MySpace page, you guys should comment on him here, I'm interested in seeing reactions. It's pretty bad shit.
prototypeB
12:36:50 PM Oct 21st 2011
Has it occured to you that this may be a stealth parody? The lyrics sound almost too stupid to be true. The off key singing also sounds intentional.
tonagamu
11:25:56 AM Oct 23rd 2011
I highly doubt it's a Stealth Parody, and even if it is, it's a badly done one.
nanoman923
04:24:47 PM Oct 23rd 2011
The argument may be deemed completely invalid regardless, Scott Savage used to play the drums for Jars of Clay during their most popular years. Also, he's signed which means there's and audience for him. More importantly he's been signed to the same label for 10 years, I highly doubt he can qualify.
tonagamu
07:04:59 AM Feb 29th 2012
Well, seeing as 4 months have passed and nobody's removed him, I guess it's safe to say he belongs here.
Sen
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03:26:01 AM Aug 29th 2011
I kinda like the instrumentation of Graveyard Shift. What's wrong with me!?!
Idisagree
02:35:15 PM Jan 29th 2012
The scream is the worst thing about it, and that's only about 4 seconds of the song. The rest is So Bad, It's Good at worst.
Antwan
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02:30:09 AM Jul 12th 2011
So, what happened to Avril Lavigne's rendition of Chop Suey being on this page? I can't even find it in the history section.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
12:25:22 PM Jul 14th 2011
IIRC, it was openly approved by the people who made the original "Chop Suey" and was not totally serious anyhow.
shadowgirl_13_chaos
11:00:50 AM Jan 13th 2012
I doubt that System of a Down actually enjoyed that train-wreck.
Sen
08:13:24 AM Jun 4th 2012
Maybe in a MST3K kind of way?
nuclearneo577
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04:52:05 PM Jun 25th 2011
I'm pretty sure the main page was cut by mistake.
tonagamu
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12:41:57 AM Jun 2nd 2011
Added the disco cover to Stairway To Heaven. If someone could do some quick research for me, as I have been unable to find any actual fanbase for this song other than people who go around hunting for rare L Ps (the Vinyl for this is quite rare and valuable) and as far as I can tell, that doesn't really count.
prototypeB
11:23:07 AM Jun 2nd 2011
I... I am utterly speechless. This "cover"... Words cannot describe. Why the overly campy freak-out sections? Why the cheesy hippie-like harmonies that come out of nowhere? WHY 18 MINUTES OF THIS INSANITY? I want answers!
tonagamu
01:35:28 PM Jun 8th 2011
I edited it because I at first couldn't sit through the whole thing and then I did and noticed the awful attempt at "Whole Lotta Love" near the end of the song. -_- It's hard to believe this thing exists.
Smapti
02:46:35 AM Aug 16th 2011
edited by Smapti
As a Zeppelin fan, I personally find this cover AMAZING - it's a rather clever interpretation of the song into a different genre, and pretty well done musically. Nonetheless, I wouldn't be surprised if i'm the only person in the world who thinks that.
Idisagree
02:41:40 PM Jan 29th 2012
Their cover of Whole Lotta Love is somehow even worse than this. At least this is somewhat listenable.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
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03:17:28 PM May 31st 2011
Cut the Martina McBride song "Let's Hear It For The Girls." It was apparently listed solely for the lyrics of the second verse. That makes it sound like a cover from American Idol or an advertisement might be fine if they can get a singer of her caliber (they often cut verses), and thus that can't be right.
tonagamu
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10:36:36 PM May 11th 2011
Would it be too harsh to list Tim Buckley's Look At The Fool? It's almost universally critically panned, the album hasn't sold that well, even after Tim became a Cult Classic, and the music is pretty wretched. But it was Tim's last album before his death, and it's more depressing than it is aggravating, so I don't want it to be a distasteful addition to the list. Any thoughts?
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
10:05:41 PM May 30th 2011
Go ahead and list it. That looks compelling. Just try to word it tastefully.
prototypeB
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07:46:47 PM May 4th 2011
Is anyone under the impression that the I Spy game suffers more from annoying and obnoxious instrumentation rather than poor composition? I feel that the melodies would work if the composer didn't just such annoying sounding instruments. Also, it says it's nonglitchy, but if you listen closely the music slowly becomes more and more out of tune as it buzzes along. Not saying it's not horrible, i'm saying the reasons stated are not the reasons why.
dxman
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06:02:13 PM Apr 22nd 2011
I support cutting Lil Wayne's Rebirth from this page. If this was three months or so ago, I would have definitely supported it being here. But it's been a year since its release and...wait for it...it's still selling. It's currently #86 on the Rhapsody album charts, beating perennial favorites such as Taylor Swift's Fearless and Usher's Confessions. The fact that many people are still listening to it (judging by the # of Rhapsody's subscribers, this must be a huge number) suggests that only the critics and Weezy's fanbase think the album is that horrible.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
10:04:10 PM May 30th 2011
I cut it.
tonagamu
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01:29:50 PM Feb 22nd 2011
Removed this entry until someone can explain to me otherwise:

Sound Engineers
  • Mastering technician Vlado Meller has become the target of much bile over fronting the Record of Loudness War. He regularly brickwalls perfectly good albums, thoroughly compressing them and robbing them of dynamics, just for the sake of volume. This is made worse by the fact that he has become incredibly popular and has thus mauled works by such artists as the Red Hot Chili Peppers, Gorillaz, and Kanye West. Fans of these, and many others, are often advised to search for versions of the album that Meller hasn't touched...if they exist.
  • Ted Jensen and Rick Rubin, responsible for brickwalling to death Metallica's Death Magnetic and other albums.
  • Another regular contributor to the Loudness War: Howie Weinberg.

Not to say that the loudness war isn't horrible, or that the recordings done by these engineers don't cause severe clipping, or that musicians tend to avoid them for their brickwalling habits, but you're forgetting one thing. This production is not stopping the albums from selling (audiophiles aside). I mean you get the people that it actually bothers, but that number of people is actually kinda low compared to how much albums do sell. And while you will occasionally find copies of these albums returned, it tends to be the really observant people that actually notice and get bothered by it. Anyone else got anything to say?
144.90.43.127
11:15:03 AM Mar 2nd 2011
Your argument would be valid if you knew what you were talking about.
Sen
10:12:19 AM Mar 4th 2011
Just because people don't notice doesn't mean it doesn't qualify. It just means many people don't notice.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
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09:59:10 PM Feb 9th 2011
Note: IMO, The Who were lousy in their Super Bowl halftime show. It wasn't all their fault — the audio levels seemed to be off. But this was genuinely painful to listen to. Key and sync were both misplaced.

Let's put it this way: only a few days after this show, The Who announced that they were going to stop touring. I believe that it wasn't a coincidence.

Sen
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04:25:34 PM Feb 9th 2011
Les Claypool? Pepper Keenan? Jerry Cantrell?

Was Acoustic Metal the same session from where they slapped that "Tuesday's Gone" cover on Garage Days Revisited?
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
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11:24:22 PM Feb 6th 2011
edited by AnonymousMcCartneyfan
Okay, how many people saw Christina Aguilera attempt "The Star-Spangled Banner" on Super Bowl XLV?

How does that compare to her other attempt at this song? (To you, natch. It was granted with stony silence in Afghanistan, and the football players started goofing off near the end...)

Did she get the verse wrong the other time? She just sang the first verse at the Super Bowl. She shouldn't have had to wing the lyrics.

She did have volume, and modern styles of pop are making it hard to determine what's a deliberate interpretation and what's simply offkey. <sigh>

I don't know if it's bad enough, but I do know it wasn't good.

ETA for asking a question whose answer should be obvious.
crazyrabbits
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12:12:31 AM Feb 5th 2011
edited by crazyrabbits
Took this out:

  • Nastradamus, by Nas. While Nas is widely considered one of the greatest rappers to ever live, even his most die-hard fans have a hard time defending this one. The rapping was lazy and uninspired, the beats were lackluster, most of the hooks involved Nas singing horribly off-key, and nearly all of the songs just plain sucked. "Shoot 'Em Up" was sung in the style of Christmas carols, and "You Owe Me" and "Big Girl" were equally atrocious, especially coming from the guy who made "Black Girl Lost": The former involved Nas demanding head from a girl for buying her jewelry (and in one lyric in Geniune's hook, compared her to a slave), and the latter featured Nas expressing his excitement that his underage girlfriend was "all grown up", so he could legally bang her. Only one song - "Project Windows" with Ron Isley - was widely considered good, and it took Stillmatic's release two years later for Nas to wash the bad taste out of peoples' mouths.

For several reasons:

1) As noted by The Other Wiki, this CD reached #7 on the Billboard Top 100 and #2 on the list of Top U.S. Hip-Hop/Rap albums - considerable commercial success. 2) It has two singles ("Nastradamus" and "You Owe Me") that charted on Billboard and did fairly well. Coupled with the posters claim that "Project Windows" was universally loved, that's a third of the album that was a critical success. Nowhere near the total failure it's made out to be. 3) Reviews for the CD are generally mixed. Pop Matters gave it a faintly good review, while Metacritic responses are mixed (at 59 percent).
144.90.43.127
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10:18:08 AM Feb 3rd 2011
Just wondering, but shouldn't some of the albums be labeled as Discontinuity and not So Bad, It's Horrible? It would help clean up the list quite a bit.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
11:16:43 PM Feb 6th 2011
Yes, if the primary reason for listing is "bad for this artist" and not "bad absolutely." If you have reason to believe most of the fandom feels that way, file it as Fanon Discontinuity; if not, file it under [[Personal Discontinuity the Troper Tales page of Personal Discontinuity.

Of course, it is possible for an album to land both there and here, so that might not be as helpful as it looks.
144.90.43.127
02:51:10 PM Feb 7th 2011
yes, but some of these albums are just listed on here just because their other albums were clearly superior. The following albums are on the list and have their supporters, positive reviews, and fan support:

Billy Idol- Cyberpunk Moby- Animal Rights Ride- Tarantula Catherine Wheel- Wishville
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
09:50:04 PM Feb 9th 2011
Thank you. It has been consistently argued that the fan support for Cyberpunk is completely insincere, but those other three shall be taken care of.
prototypeB
09:57:13 AM Feb 11th 2011
Okay, i'll let catherine wheel pass... Apparently there's strong fan support for that album. But as far as Ride's Tarantula and Moby's Animal Rights, I can't find any support for either album given by fans. Both fanbases like to pretend that both those albums don't exist, especially the Moby one.

Tarantula marks the lowest any of the shoegazing acts stooped to in order to conform to britpop standards. First off, the band was clearly unhappy and feuding over the new musical direction. Second off, critics DESPISED the album because Ride had originally been known to be a top-notch band and now they had to put up with them trying and failing miserably to sound like Oasis. Finally, fans hate the album to death and it sold so poorly that it's Ride's only album to go out of print before the turn of the millennium.

The Moby album has a couple of critic supporters, but that's it. And it took Moby having to release a series of well recieved albums in order to even get those couple of good reviews. Animal Rights sold so poorly that it sent Moby into a massive creator breakdown, forcing him into many sleepless nights in a drunken stupor as he wrote songs that would appear on his breakthrough masterpiece, Play.

Once again I need to point out something that needs to be edited since I view this site on my cell phone and lack the ability to fix it myself. Cyberpunk needs to be fixed. It makes some weird reference to a Duran Duran album of which is no longer listed here. Also, the Velvet Underground cover should be moved to the covers section because that single track has so much wrong with it it deserves its own entry. Also after some research, it should be noted that Idol took this work very seriously, and still takes it seriously. The entire thing is a vision the man had that the world was going to be run by computers and robots and that the only communication people were going to have was over the internet. This would have been a creative idea had Idol not written lyrics that sound like schitzophrenic ramblings sung out of key and with a tone that makes drunks sound intelligent.
SoWeAteThem
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10:47:28 AM Feb 2nd 2011
edited by SoWeAteThem
I'm sorry, I hate to nix a specific target, but we've got the signs of an Edit War close at hand:
"Whip My Hair" DOES NOT QUALIFY.
The song was a modest success on the charts, fitting well within the Top 50 and at one point, just a position or two away from the top 25. To this day, it is within the top 70, just a few positions down from Chris Brown.
Please... stop labeling songs you hate So Bad It's Horrible. We are not the Complaining About Shows You Don't Like section. Don't act like we are.
From now on, if you're gonna contest it, contest it here, not on the main entry.
prototypeB
10:25:20 AM Feb 11th 2011
There's only one thing I can say to all the haters of this song...

I WHIP MY HAIR BACK AND FORTH! I WHIP MY HAIR BACK AND FORTH! I WHIP MY HAIR BACK AND FORTH! I WHIP MY HAIR BACK AND FORTH! I WHIP MY HAIR BACK AND FORTH! I WHIP MY HAIR BACK AND FORTH!

Okay... Enough of that... Seriously though she's just a kid. It's to be expected to sound kind of obnoxious and stupid, but it's in a cute way... That's why it sells. It may not exactly be a great song, but it did what it was marketed to do.
nanoman923
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04:42:46 PM Jan 24th 2011
Deleted this and put it here for now:

  • On a similar note there's Kyle Dennis, one-half of Snuff Budgies and drummer for New Miracle Force. His work as Fuck, The Retarded Girl did the same with Harsh Noise, making an already challenging genre of music absolutely unbearable and throwing liberal amounts of shock value (NSFW) in for good measure.

Reason: It sounds no different than other harsh noise. As a matter of fact, it actually tries to be more coherent than most harsh noise by containing a message of some sort. Trying to place this here just because it's offensive breaks rule set by the important note listed at the top. If you really think that this stuff is just spat out of a keyboard randomly, and therefore label it horrible, then basically every abstract random experimental artist should be listed here. Trust me, this may sound messy, but Harsh Noise is not supposed to hold any standards. Trying to place here because it lacks standards is really contradictory to the purpose of the genre. Therefore, it does not qualify for this list.
SoWeAteThem
05:39:32 PM Jan 26th 2011
He's reviled by even Harsh Noise fans; a section see him as pointlessly amateur, another see him as taking pretense as an excuse for actual musicianship (Harsh Noise often places strong emphasis on musical structure) others believe he couldn't care less about what he's doing and others still follow a combination of the above. And besides, it all sounds like that one song.
144.90.43.82
09:03:56 AM Jan 31st 2011
Yes, but noise is noise. It's so subjective that to call it So Bad, It's Horrible is to imply that there's some sort of quality control to it.
SoWeAteThem
10:29:08 PM Jan 31st 2011
Wow.
You actually just said that.
I'm gonna be brief here. You may take noise music at face value, I'm not gonna be mad. But noise music is no different from any other genre. There are albums the entire fanbase can agree on as the gold standard. There are albums, nay, entire subgenres that are deemed Love It or Hate It (HNW versus Harsh Ambient or Power Electronics, for example.) There is the stuff deemed mediocre. And then there's Mr. Dennis.
I'm not decrying him just for the approach he's taking, artists like Rancid Shit Wank and The Gerogerigegege have done works that placed strong emphasis on chaos, and they have a lot of fans from all over. It's Just that Dennis, well, look over what I've said. That should explain enough.
There. I'm gonna go for now, but before I leave I'll leave you with this:
Do NOT imply:
  • That all noise sounds the same.
  • That there is no standards or quality control inherent in the genre.
'Cause when I was 15 or 16 and still getting into this stuff, I could have very easily, and with clear conscience, said exactly the same about not just pop, but anything remotely popular.
I'm sorry.
144.90.43.127
02:54:02 PM Feb 7th 2011
I support the removal of Kyle Dennis... Positive comments on his youtube videos (despite the massive amount of negative comments), Positive feedback on his last.fm... basically anyone that listened to it before it was featured on this lists evidences that Mr. Dennis has a fanbase. And let's not forget that the man sells, even though he OFFERS EVERYTHING ONLINE FOR FREE!! I vote for it's removal.
nanoman923
03:53:34 PM Feb 7th 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZ4hveAxpYg I cite this link. All three of the comments are positive.
144.90.43.82
04:20:19 PM Feb 8th 2011
http://www.last.fm/music/Fuck%252C%2520The%2520Retarded%2520Girl?ac=fuck%20the%20retarded%20girl Hell all you have to do is look no farther than his last.fm page... Why is this fantastic artist on here again?
SoWeAteThem
10:39:39 AM Feb 9th 2011
You know I got rid of his entry two days ago, right?
prototypeB
10:04:50 AM Feb 11th 2011
And so finally someone trolled hard enough to get him removed off the list just because a handful of people made comments that sounded vaguely positive... Godspeed, Mr. Dennis, may you and your troll supporters continue to make really bad "art"...
SoWeAteThem
09:11:27 PM Feb 12th 2011
edited by SoWeAteThem
No, I checked. He has good reviews under his belt, I've seen many more positive than negative comments on his pages at last.fm (both home and individual tracks), and he can actually sell out a print run, which does imply that yes, people are willing to touch his works.
Guys, I'm sorry if I was too hard on him. Up to a point, I was one of his most vocal detractors, but I did some looking-up: he's mediocre at worst. I... have no excuse. There are people willing to listen to this and let's leave it at that.
You too, Tropers/prototypeB. I know this will sound absolutely hypocritical coming out of my keyboard, but we should both really let this one be. He's Love It or Hate It, and apparently, a lot of people hate it.
I really hope you can forgive me for this, though I wouldn't blame you if you didn't.
revertedtozero
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10:24:10 AM Jan 22nd 2011
Deleted this entry, seeing as it had quite good reviews.
  • The Drums's EXTREMELY boring and tuneless song "Let's Go Surfing". This song has it all- overly simple beats. A repetitive bassline that repeats over and over until your head explodes. Boring vocals. Asinine lyrics ("There's a new kid in LON-DAAAAN!!!!"). A chorus that is repeated until you lose your sanity. If that wasn't bad enough, the video is just a shot of the band running with the word "Surfing" flashed across the screen during the chorus, with no actual surfing itself. If we're gonna watch a video to a boring and tuneless song, we at least wanna see some surfing!

prototypeB
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08:07:54 AM Dec 26th 2010
So I noticed that this article is full of examples in recorded music, but does anybody know of any Classical music compositions which are poorly written, or even better, a classical composer who was Giftedly Bad? I mean there's a good two thousand years of music history we haven't covered here, there's gotta be SOM Ething.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
09:28:17 PM Dec 26th 2010
edited by AnonymousMcCartneyfan
A good deal of live and recorded music is interpretation, which is why we have a "Covers" section. It runs both ways; Irving Berlin was a lousy singer, or so I hear, but he's written some great stuff. It is hard to imagine that someone, especially before the invention of the tape recorder, has written a work that no one could make a Guilty Pleasure or good version of.

Also, there is the Nostalgia Filter to think of, and what sorts of classical compositions survive. Horrible works will not be passed down by oral tradition, since they will not be tolerated; no work known to be written before musical notation was invented can be Horrible. The modern systems of musical notation and tuning are relatively recent; experts are still trying to figure out how sheet music to works before "The Even-Tempered Clavier" is supposed to be read, since tuning standards used to be different than they are. This means Values Dissonance.

It used to be that people who tried to preserve works only tried to preserve works that they considered good. Thus, if there are Horrible classical compositions before a certain point, then they are likely only now being dug out of basements and attics or being X-rayed out from under other parchments.

ETA: Struck through parts that I am told are inaccurate.
dxman
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11:00:46 PM Dec 21st 2010
Why is Kidz Bop still listed if sales is a factor in its listing on the page? 8 titles in the series have gone gold.
SoWeAteThem
11:16:49 PM Dec 21st 2010
Well, there's critical failure, there's outrage over large portions of the fanbase, and besides, that's less than half its output.
But I guess the deciding factor here is how the covers sound in comparison with the original. And trust me, it is an insult that they so much as share names with the original compositions.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
09:16:05 PM Dec 26th 2010
Sales is a factor because, if people are buying it, then odds are someone likes it.

It's a sliding scale because sometimes people buy a work on the merits of a previous work. But the entry lists the entire Kidz Bop catalog as Horrible. The series as a whole must have a fanbase, or else it would've stopped before hitting nine albums. No one is trying to disguise KidsBop albums as normal albums, and the labels don't support pop music unless it is profitable.

Recommend we cut that entry.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
10:26:57 PM Jan 28th 2011
Oh, yes, and Kidz Bop should be listed in Critic Proof if it isn't there yet.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
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08:03:39 PM Dec 12th 2010
Note to anyone wanting to reinstate Chris Brown's Graffiti:

This album got nominated for a Grammy. Other musicians voted that this guy should be honored. Thus, this album has fans.
SoWeAteThem
09:36:06 PM Dec 13th 2010
What about the fact that it didn't even reach top twenty anywhere in Europe, sold considerably less than Exclusive, and it's critically execrated(and, as anybody who's sat through the lyrics can tell you, for good reason)?
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
06:07:55 PM Dec 17th 2010
The point is, Chris Brown's peers, his fellow musicians and producers et al., have officially said that he oughta at least be considered for an award for that excuse for music. I know, I don't get it either.

Now, it is possible that everyone who is active in R&B and hip-hop in America helped make this album, given how R&B and hip-hop work. If that is the case, then we can get looser in listing recent works in that genre. But if it is not, then there is a fanbase — Chris Brown's fellow rappers — and we might want to respect it. (Part of me thinks that Noise Music might sound less like noise to me than a lot of what passes for rap.)
prototypeB
09:47:38 AM Dec 20th 2010
Also the Grammy's over the past decade or so has recieved much criticism for ignoring albums, songs, and artists of whom recieved widespread critical acclaim in favor of artists who are not even popular with the masses.
68.225.54.87
07:06:09 AM Jan 10th 2011
Kidz Bop should be moved to Critic Proof then.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
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10:31:46 PM Dec 7th 2010
Cut this and put it here for now. This is why So Okay, It's Average redirected to SBIH for a while.

  • The Velvet Underground is beloved for their noise experimentation and originality. But when Lou Reed and several of the other founding members quit, Doug Yule recorded the album Squeeze. The album features session musicians and Doug Yule on guitar, and the only reason it exists is because of the band's manager Steve Sesnick's Executive Meddling. The album was critically panned, and the Velvets have tried desperately over the years to erase it from discographies. Most of the songs are ripping off other artists such as The Who, The Beatles, and even Lou Reed. The music has to be heard to be believed.
    • The album went out of print less than 10 years after it was released, and stayed there. This is saying a lot: Metal Machine Music (a double album consisting entirely of guitar feedback), while also going out of print, got reissued later, more than once, and is about to be reissued again. Squeeze hasn't seen the light of day in over 30 years. People REALLY aren't in a hurry to hear it remastered and re-released.
    • If this was recorded by any other group - well, technically it was - then this could've been So Okay, It's Average; possibly even the Ur Example of the trope. However, considering that this was released under the name of one of the musical giants of the late '60s, with no involvement of the original members, the drop in quality is staggering. Loaded was probably just as commercial, but at least Reed was still there to pen high quality tunes such as "Who Loves The Sun", "Sweet Jane" and "Rock & Roll" that transcended commercialization and made the album a timeless classic. Squeeze had no such inspiration, and it's enough to classify it as this trope.
prototypeB
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06:57:36 AM Nov 26th 2010
My bad for never making any of these edits myself, I only access this site via cell phone, and my phone sucks at letting me edit.

But I wanted to comment on the Catherine Wheel album. Yes, general critical consensus and fan opinion states that this album is terrible, but not for the reasons mentioned on the page.

The album is EXTREMELY boring. The music is still skillfully played, though. Musicianns don't just magically stop playing their instruments well. What had happened is the band's lead guitarist had left, leaving the lead singer, (who had little experience in music composition) in charge of songwriting. What we're left with are songs with no emotional build-up, the now complete absense of cool shoegaze effects that the band was known for, and basslines that are virtually inaudible throughout the album. Allmusic gave the album an extra half of a star because at least the production quality was alright, but that made no difference to the actual music.

Also, another factor that made most of these former shoegazing band's albums so bad was the demand by British record labels to conform to the standards of Oasis and Blur, and the artists' boredom with these genre shifts. Perhaps the Catherine Wheel album and the Ride album could be bullet points under one particular entry? Just keep MBV and Singapore Sling in their own separate entries, the former being before shoegazing even existed, the latter being more of an example of a band just being a bunch of one-trick dogs.
DraculaOnABike
04:41:30 AM Dec 30th 2010
It was not the lead guitarist (Brian Futter) who had left, it was the bassist (Dave Hawes) — which probably explains why the basslines were nearly inaudible.
SoWeAteThem
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02:34:58 PM Nov 25th 2010
Cut and put here:

The fact that it was a major influence in the style of Lou Reed's questionable-quality opus cancels it out. Not that I don't agree; there were many revolutionary ideas present in the work, but the way they presented them made the sound pretentious.
prototypeB
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05:25:32 PM Nov 22nd 2010
So I noticed awhile back that someone deleted Billy Idol's Cyberpunk just because one member said that fans supposedly generally liked one of the songs.

So instead of going off of all the reviews I decided to investigate the album myself. I borrowed a friend's copy of the disc that he hadn't touched in years because of how bad it is.

The reviews don't exaggerate much. It's just about as bland as they make it sound. About every 3 tracks or so we're treated to some rather boring samples of speeches made from multiple sources about an electronic revolution or something. Then they bleed into tracks that make Moby's overly poppy stuff sound like Beethoven in comparison. His lyrics sound like some pretentious hipster trying to say things he doesn't believe in just to sound cool.

Then there's the raping of The Velvet Underground's Heroin. Think if the guys who originally did "I'm Too Sexy For My Shirt" write similar background music for it while someone more tonedeaf than Lou Reed sang emotionlessly.

Also, while members of the internet underground "cyberpunk" community liked it at the time of its release, as soon as the movement died down, so did the hype. After this album, Idol's career was tarnished for his next couple of albums until he returned to his old punk roots in the late 90's. Usually it's pretty brave for an artist to try something new, but the key word there is "try". Idol clearly wasn't even trying to do anything. It was all just an attempt to cash out on electronica music and thinking that attaching some pretentious message to it would deem him "brilliant".

I'd post this on the list itself but I would like you guys decide. I think this album is well worth being on this list.
SoWeAteThem
07:40:01 PM Nov 22nd 2010
edited by SoWeAteThem
I'll dig it up and revise it...
  • Billy Idol released Cyberpunk in 1993. For a time it was Love It or Hate It between critics and the "cyberpunk" subculture. With the death of said subculture, it came to be taken as is: Poorly done, bland, and soulless techno full to the brim with pretense. The marketing was great, it came with bonus features (then rare for CDs), but the music itself is terrible. Critics called the emotionless, tone-deaf cover of The Velvet Underground's "Heroin"  * on par with Duran Duran's in terms of quality.
Twentington
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07:44:39 PM Nov 16th 2010
Removing this entry since it's disputed & getting nattered up:

  • OK, a lot of people hated Metallica's St. Anger, but even that sounds good compared to Acoustic Metal. Most Metallica songs, because they are metal, sound terrible on acoustic guitar. Many of the tracks of Acoustic Metal were done live on what appears to be a radio show, leading to inappropriate talking and blabber covering the music; this talking ruins "Low Man's Lyric," which would otherwise be tolerable. On top of all that, the selection of tracks is pathetic. The only remotely well-known song is "The Four Horsemen". One track is a medley of "Last Caress" and "Fade to Black", and the next track is a continuation of "Fade to Black", which is a failure of sequencing. To make things worse, most of the songs go on far too long; guitar solos don't work as well on acoustic guitar, either.
    • Ahem... Not quite, sir. Just for the "record": 1) It was a bootleg album (that never came out oficially for that matter), 2) It was a radio session and 3) The setlist was an attempt to promote their latest (at that time) albums, the "Load" series. Conclusion: The band had no damn obligation to build that acoustic session with a "greatest hits" setlist and make it sound like a magnum opus. St Wanker, on the other hand was a studio release, so it WAS supposed to come out good because they were getting some sale profit, but we all know how it ended...
SoWeAteThem
01:11:53 AM Nov 22nd 2010
I'm gonna hack it down and put it back...
  • The notorious Metallica bootleg "Acoustic Metal." Deemed by the fanbase to be worse than even St. Anger, it was taken from a radio broadcast that none of them had chosen to take seriously. Inappropriate bits of spoken word pretty much ruin "Low Man's Lyric," which would otherwise be much less hated, songs drag on far too long (don't solon on an acoustic guitar, guys), the tracklisting is miserable (The Four Horsemen is the only notable one) and poorly sequenced(Track 8: Last Caress/Fade To Black. Track 9: Fade To Black (continued)). Not even its guest performers(Les Claypool, John Popper, Pepper Keenan, Jerry Cantrell) could save it.
tonagamu
01:08:14 AM May 27th 2011
It's been removed again... Why does it matter if it's just a bootleg? If it's bad it's bad.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
03:35:10 PM Jun 8th 2011
Unless the artist is very famous, that a work exists as a bootleg is evidence that it's not Horrible. Bootlegs are illegal and hard to make initial copies for; why be the first to steal music that no one is gonna want except for Bile Fascination?

Now, general standards for black-market recordings are lower than for free-market recordings, just as standards for Fan Fic are lower than for professional literature. But there is usually something worthwhile in a bootleg, or why bother to risk the wrath of the record companies to sell it?
masterofpirates
12:14:19 AM Sep 16th 2011
Why is it here if it's just some joke bootleg album they did on the radio? It really seems like an excuse to have something by Metallica on here.
doompuffplushy
08:21:40 PM Nov 4th 2011
I heard the album on youtube and it's more So Bad, It's Good rather than So Bad, It's Horrible. I think it's a Crowning Moment of Funny. Seriously if this is horrible so is all modern pop, minus Lady Gaga andVictorious, that's much worse.
2112pk
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04:04:55 PM Nov 9th 2010
ok can some oe PLEASE explain why when i edit something in that APRENTLY has a "fanbase" it get's edited out, yet when i edit out something that i can PROVE by the same methods used to "disprove" me has an audience. it gets restating. something in that math doesnt add up
SoWeAteThem
09:09:57 AM Nov 10th 2010
We already did. Look in Page History.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
09:05:08 PM Nov 11th 2010
I agree with 2112pk that Results May Vary isn't Horrible. It is almost certainly bad, yes. It is definitely an Ink Stain Adaptation, a Franchise Killer, and a Genre-Killer. But I don't think it's Horrible.

Once it was determined that a single contained on the album ("Behind Blue Eyes") was not just not Horrible but a good cover, I knew this album didn't count. Horrible albums do not contain good songs.
SoWeAteThem
07:42:09 PM Nov 22nd 2010
edited by SoWeAteThem
Well, it tanked on the market, and trust me, that "Behind Blue Eyes" cover was painful. Just because it's a single doesn't mean it's any good. "I Can Transform Ya" was a single. "Crawl" was a single. Neither of those can stand on their own rights, much less save "Graffiti."
RADIX
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05:22:25 PM Nov 8th 2010
That bit about the original Dragon Ball Z BGM under Soundtracks—I can't shake the feeling that whoever wrote that simply preferred the US music over the original and considers anyone who doesn't to be "Fan Dub Vocal Minority".

At least, I can't remember any large amount of complaining about the original BGM during my time in the fandom. What say?
crazyrabbits
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05:17:20 PM Oct 22nd 2010
As listed in the history, I deleted the Jingle Cats entry due to a variety of reasons (genuine success in terms of views and comments on Youtube, longevity, the fact that they exist purely as a novelty act - which, even by their standards, is ridiculously successful).

It's not often I feel like my Berserk Button is hit, but this is one of those times.
68.225.54.87
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08:59:23 PM Oct 18th 2010
Can we add a few more details onto the Moby entry? Because it is important to note that the album was so terrible that it nearly jeopardized the release of his next album. Play didn't sell until after several months after it was released because critics refused to lay hands on another Moby album. That would probably make the entry a little more interesting, but I saw someone tried to add that earlier and it got deleted.
prototypeB
12:51:51 PM Oct 29th 2010
I actually read one positive review about this one on sputnik music. They gave it 4.5 out of 5 stars. This happens the be the only positive review of the album in existance, but it's from a highly credible website. Is this enough to disqualify it?
69.43.65.116
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03:34:38 PM Oct 16th 2010
edited by 69.43.65.116
Cut:

The Other Wiki says that a critics say that at worst its a repetitive and formulaic house track and Discogs.com clocks the rating to be slightly less than 3/5 based on 84 votes. Its a bland and shallow dance remix, but almost every dance remix loses any depth the original had.
SoWeAteThem
10:29:20 AM Oct 21st 2010
In that vein, does "Every Rose Has Its Thorn" count for removal as well?
69.43.65.116
01:33:32 PM Oct 22nd 2010
I'd say yes just for the fact that it has significantly more likes than dislikes on Youtube and theres no major critical backlash against it. And whoever added that example has no idea what "techno" really is.
AlexSora89
02:35:59 PM Jan 24th 2011
SoWeAteThem
05:30:28 PM Jan 26th 2011
edited by SoWeAteThem
I don't like it. I think it's horrid, but on the other hand, several credible sources don't. Reviews Are The Gospel here, but only because said gospel is "this song is not completely and totally unlikeable, and we can suggest this to at least a few other people with eardrums and a brain." A lack of large-scale backlash implies that the song is, in fact deemed salvageable by anybody besides the artist.
218.111.21.201
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07:45:46 PM Oct 7th 2010
Cut and paste here.
  • Lenny Kravitz's cover of "American Woman" by The Guess Who is usually considered high sacrilege by fans of the original. The rhythm guitar riff is chopped up, the robust vocals of the original are replaced by Kravitz virtually whispering the song, and many other portions of the original aren't even there!
  • Sheryl Crow's cover of "Sweet Child O' Mine" will make your ears bleed.

Both covers a re well-received by some. They may be bad, but not atrocious.
prototypeB
12:23:04 PM Oct 9th 2010
In that same vein the My Vitriol cover should be removed from the list too.
SoWeAteThem
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10:52:14 PM Oct 3rd 2010
Cut:
"This song doesn't even sound bad; it sounds wrong, like there was a horrible mistake in the recording studio! 'Oh God! I actually used the bass track from song four instead of song five! And this album's due in half an hour! Oh God! Just leave it!'"
Todd in the Shadows, reviewing Break Up.
It's too long. The Nostalgia Critic quote was shorter and worked just as well.
SoWeAteThem
05:25:19 PM Jan 26th 2011
Cut the old quotes (we're going into overdose). They're here in case somebody contests them.
"Swans sing before they die; 'twere no bad thing should certain persons die before they sing."
Samuel Taylor Coleridge

"It's like Alan Menken's puke somehow mutated and started writing music!"
Doug Walker, on the soundtrack of Tom and Jerry: The Movie.

JP4490
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06:48:37 AM Oct 2nd 2010
edited by JP4490
Cut this from the 'Soundtracks' folder. If someone thinks the singing truly is worthy of So Bad, It's Horrible, can they at least use a clip that isn't a Youtube Poop of it? That's not exactly giving it fair evidence.

Animated Musicals
  • This is why animated television series usually avoid songs altogether. Even without the ear-rape at the end, the singing is painful to hear.

DiscoGlacier
10:47:00 PM Oct 6th 2010
Fair enough; I only used that clip since I couldn't find that song anywhere else, at least on Youtube.
118.100.130.56
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02:10:33 AM Oct 2nd 2010
Cut and paste here. This is more like "it's bad because the critics say so", not So Bad, It's Horrible. There are people who genuinely like these songs.
  • Limp Bizkit's cover of the classic The Who song "Behind Blue Eyes" is probably the most despised cover ever recorded by a major artist. It is part of the infamous album Results May Vary (see above). Technically, Limp Bizkit didn't record the song; the most talented member, guitarist Wes Borland, left the band before it was recorded. The cover failed so hard that they misspelled Pete Townshend's name in the credits.
  • Billionare, starts with the line "I wanna be a billionaire so fucking bad" in the whiniest voice imaginable and utterly fails to improve as it goes on. It's official, there is nothing left to sing about anymore.
SoWeAteThem
06:12:31 PM Oct 2nd 2010
Results May Vary was a commercial flop compared to the high standards the band had already set. Which makes the Who cover a valid entry.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
06:27:25 PM Oct 2nd 2010
Re the Limp Bizkit cover of "Behind Blue Eyes": since it is on Results May Vary, either the song does belong here or the album does not.

Since people like the song, it's the album that's misplaced. <sigh> Just list Results May Vary in Franchise Killer and Genre-Killer; take it off here.
SoWeAteThem
11:04:22 PM Oct 3rd 2010
But the album was a failure, commercially and critically, ruined both Limp Bizkit's career and Fred Durst's public image, was completely lacking musically, ripped off everything that stood still (and even screwed that up) and to top it all off, when they did credit a name, (the cover of Behind Blue Eyes) they credited it IMPROPERLY! It is universally reviled, a fate it revisited upon the band and the entire genre! Up until this, Limp Bizkit was world-famous! Fallen Creator would be a compliment! I'm sorry for the rant, but I still believe it should be up there.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
09:51:25 PM Oct 8th 2010
Understood. But how can an album that is completely lacking musically contain a song that isn't?

Outright widespread plagiarism might be a reason to list it. Plagiarism is a special offense for those who deal in intellectual property. But if that's a major reason, it should be emphasized.

The liner notes are Paratext. If the band isn't directly responsible for them, ignore them. If, for some improbable reason, someone decides to reissue the album, they might go ahead and correct the typo.

Fred Durst's appearance in Woodstock '99 is not part of Results May Vary. It should be listed here, but under Performances. And I suspect that more than half the crash of the band proper and Mr. Durst's image was related to that, rather than the album's music (however bad it is).
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
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09:32:44 PM Sep 4th 2010
Cut this and put it here for now. "So Bad You'll Laugh Your Pants Brown" is more So Bad, It's Good than So Bad, It's Horrible.

  • Paralysed, by Legendary Stardust Cowboy. Seriously, just listen to it. It has to be heard to be believed.
    • Oh fuck me, that's not even a joke. It sounds like it was recorded in a mental hospital and they used a guy suffering from Tourettes as the lead singer. Have extra pants ready; you'll laugh that hard.
SoWeAteThem
08:22:18 PM Sep 7th 2010
I don't know. I thought that was genuinely painful.
Idisagree
07:22:04 PM Apr 26th 2013
It's an influence on Outsider Music so no!
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
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09:28:09 PM Sep 4th 2010
The Britney Spears performance entry has been contested as not being as bad as it looked. Anyone second that?
crazyrabbits
02:12:44 AM Sep 20th 2010
Well, the comment about the choreographed routine is a bit erroneous (the rehearsal footage of said performance is vastly different to the final product), but IMO, the point still stands. She decided on her look and the different routine at the last minute, botched it and was made a laughingstock as a result. In terms of performances within the awards ceremony, it's the worst by a long shot.
MaureenMacDonald
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08:33:24 PM Aug 30th 2010
I deleted the entry for the Billie Piper song Because We Want To. I understand that late 90s teen-pop is not everyone's cup of oolong, and can seem very dated nowadays, but to quote Wikipedia, "In the UK, the song reached number one and Billie became the youngest artist to release a number one single in the country in over forty years. It was the official song of the 1999 Women's World Cup." Besides, there are some of us who enjoy a bit of cheesy teen-pop now and then, and even find it nostalgic. Debate away.
SoWeAteThem
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03:40:46 PM Aug 22nd 2010
Should we move Emma Amelia Pearl Czikai to So Bad, It's Good? I, for one, couldn't stop laughing at it. If it's bad enough to merit laughter, then it's too good for here.
SonicPanther
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06:13:03 PM Aug 19th 2010
I don't see this point in the magazines section. Pretty much every example boils down to "they don't go with the popular opinion!" or "they don't like the music/musicians I like!". I disagree with a lot of things on Blender's lists, for example, but that doesn't make them So Bad, It's Horrible, just... lists I disagree with.
prototypeB
11:38:00 AM Aug 20th 2010
edited by 68.225.54.87
I think the Rolling Stone list needs to be removed. People need to realize that they compile their lists from surveys to professionals in the music industry and using a point system. That being said, it really doesn't matter who agrees with who because it's still a consensus that professionals came up with. In other words it was decided by people who knew what they were talking about.

Blender should stay because it has the opposite issue. Instead of taking the time to explain their entries, they rely entirely on humor and some of their entries don't even garner an explanation. What makes the latter worse is the fact that the ones they don't explain are the ones that need the most explanation. Basically Blender is just written by a bunch of hipsters with no real knowledge of how the music industry works. Opinion or not, there's a difference between expressing it professionally and just blurting out how you feel about something when you don't even know what it is.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
02:59:46 PM Aug 22nd 2010
The Rolling Stone list has been removed.
Russo1930
12:52:58 AM Aug 29th 2010
I think the Rolling Stone list should stay. I've yet to find someone who didn't hate it, and those people fall into two categories.

1. People who are obsessive music nerds, which Rolling Stone intentionally ignored. 2. People who hate music lists to begin with, which were the people that for some reason Rolling Stone was trying to cater too.

Also, even ignoring the order which they placed people, the list left off several of the most important guitarists of all time. Including:

1. Charlie Christian, player with the Benny Goodman sextet, a man so important to jazz guitar that virutally every jazz guitar recording made for 25 years after his death sounded like a relative of Christian.

2. Lonnie Johnson, the first player to use single note solos in his playing, rather than just play with chords. Otherwise known as the most common type of soloing in the entire world.

3. Eddie Lang, a jazz guitar pioneer, who may be more important than Johnson.

4. Michael Hedges, regarded as the greatest acoustic guitarist of all time. This tape explains everything.

5. Chet Atkins, the god of country guitar, and so skilled people called him Mr. Guitar.

6. Django Reinheadt, gypsy jazz legend who's influenced just about everyone, and could play at Van Halen speeds with a deformed left hand.

7. Pat Methenhy, nothing else needs to be said.

8. John Petrucci, Dream Theater player, regarded as the best rocker of the past 20 years. Easily a legend already.

9. Joe Satriani, the man who rock geeks would take a bullet for.

10. Steve Vai, the spiritual brother of Satriani

11. Wes Montgomery, seen as the greatest jazz guitarist of all time. Easily the best bop guitarist.

12. Andres Sergovia, the man who turned the guitar from a parlor instrument into an instrument capable of high art.

13. Alex Lifeson, player from Rush, prog legend, possibly the best prog guitarist of all time.

All of these people were left off, and there was no rule against choosing non rock players in the list, and there were several of them already on the list, so not including these people was inexcusable. It's so hated, to this day, people on Blogcritics complain about it, and they've been doing it for seven years.
prototypeB
03:38:22 PM Sep 4th 2010
Look, you have a very good point my friend, but just because one magazine's opinions don't sit well with everyone doesn't mean it's horrible. May I emphasize once again that ROLLING STONE MAGAZINE MAKES THEIR LIST BASED OFF OF A POINT SYSTEM COMPILED FROM CHARTS OF WHICH PROFESSIONALS IN THE MUSIC INDUSTRY MAKE. Sorry about all the caps but that fact has been stated at least three other times in this discussion. Also, each of the entries had articles that were written by other artists, so odds are they probably knew the flak they were going to get, but wanted to stay true to the standards of which the music industry holds. So while true you have a point, your argument is invalid.
nuclearneo577
03:52:26 PM Sep 5th 2010
About the other stuff, does anyone mind if I clean it up? I am not a big music fan so I don't have an option to get in the way.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
10:28:56 PM Sep 6th 2010
I don't mind. I'm in favor of cleanup. Just be careful when treading around anything that looks like it isn't natter or Word Cruft.
nuclearneo577
10:33:20 AM Sep 12th 2010
Its done.

nanoman923
04:47:09 PM Jan 24th 2011
I call for someone to take another look at these lists. They are still generally considered terrible. Remember, the Grammy's are run by "professionals" in the music industry, yet they have received criticism for trying to support strictly radio music (or so it seems). So just because it has professionals backing it up does NOT mean it's credible. Rolling Stone has had this problem for years.
Kimo
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03:33:45 PM Aug 19th 2010
edited by Kimo
While I do not contest the Countdown Singers (and only them under that name, sans what's blatantly their stuff under the Starlite name), I do contest the entry for "Anime", by Soulja Boy. I, along with quite a few others, consider it So Bad, It's Good, rather than the opposite. Obviously there are people that don't share this opinion, but there are fans of the song, if only for it's SBIG qualities.
Idisagree
09:02:12 PM Mar 3rd 2012
We should cut Crazy Taxi music (it has its fans and is listed in both So Bad, It's Good and Awesome Music), Graveyard Shift (Only thing wrong about it is an obnoxious scream and mediocre vocals, the intruments sound mine), and possibly more.
Idisagree
08:07:04 PM Mar 20th 2012
As much as I hate saying it, Red Lottery may not qualify as it [1] may have fans. It may be monotonous and kinda boring but some Doom Metal fans like it. That's almost enough to remove it.
Glowsquid
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12:58:29 PM Aug 19th 2010
Re Sonic Spinball: Though that clip really is awful, I'm pretty it's because of faulty emulation (Backbone sucks). The actual tune, while not great, sound like this.
SoWeAteThem
07:52:24 PM Aug 22nd 2010
We'll make a note of that.
prototypeB
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12:01:02 PM Aug 18th 2010
About the Moby album, the fans despised it, but it did spawn one hit single, "Dream About Me", this combined with the differing views between each disc may disqualify it.
prototypeB
10:29:29 AM Aug 19th 2010
Now Animal Rights on the other hand is horrible. It's the album that came before his commercial success, Play. Animal Rights barely sold anything at all (until after Play was released, but that was more because of the sudden success of Moby) and the album was critically panned beyond all recognition. The reason being that Moby being an electronic artist tried to do punk and metal music on the album. Obviously those genres aren't his forte.
Kimo
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07:33:33 PM Aug 17th 2010
I was going to cut the Countdown Singers (aka The Starlite Singers, Countdown and Countdown Dance Masters) entry, but decided against it for reasons I will divulge below.

I personally heavily enjoy their covers (as Countdown/Dance Masters and Starlite Singers), be it when they're legitimately good or So Bad, It's Good, and actively seek out their [newer] albums. Top Hits is probably their best in terms of actual quality, coming so close to hitting the master "Boom Boom Pow" it's insane. They also hit alot of others pretty damn close as well, but "Boom Boom Pow" really stands out.

However, I can say without a doubt that they do have some truly awful notches under their belt, and most of them are indeed Countdown Singers-era tracks, I've come to realize. Their latest album, Ultimate Sports Mix, includes alot of their much older work (the only new cover being one of the World Cup 2010 Theme, I can't remember it's name). It really shows, too; it is pure crap, to the point that they can't even sing half of the songs correctly (how do you screw up "Gonna Make You Sweat"?). The WC 2010 Theme cover is alright, but nothing special, and absolutely cannot redeem the rest of the album. It is easily the worst album bearing the Starlite name.

Instead of cutting the entry, I'm going to leave it, since it's...well, completely true. However, I do enjoy them as The Starlite Singers/Countdown/Countdown Dance Masters. not The Countdown Singers, as listed here, just the other three names they go by, since that material tends to be much better.
192.42.92.28
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05:47:43 PM Aug 17th 2010
Violent JJ's song wasn't meant to be good or bad. The video was made purely for the cuteness.
SoWeAteThem
11:41:47 PM Aug 28th 2010
Very few strive to be awful. Almost none strive to be god-awful. But, regardless of their original intent, this song failed. Hard.
192.42.92.28
09:37:12 AM Sep 1st 2010
Why judge it on the basis of song quality, when it clearly wasn't produced for the song, but for the video of the kids?
SoWeAteThem
01:12:16 PM Sep 28th 2010
Because the song is god-awful (even the critics say so) beyond mere Dethroning Music Of Suck, which is the only other place I can see fit for it, if it is, as you say, just a soundtrack.
crazyrabbits
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11:02:03 AM Aug 10th 2010
In response to tonagamu's assertion about Delfin Quishpe's video "Torreas Gemelas (Twin Towers)": "Hard to believe, but this one actually has a fanbase."

You could have fooled me. The Other Wiki states that "while the song is tragic in nature, the subject matter being Delfin losing a loved one in the terrorist attack of 9/11, the whimsical and kitschy nature of the song as well as the poor acting in the music video has made this song a bit of an internet meme." Maybe it's So Bad, It's Good?
tonagamu
08:33:42 AM Aug 11th 2010
Apparently Mexican culture speaks differently, though. While it has undeniably become an internet meme, when the video was released a lot of the people in my local area at the very least actually for some reason liked it...
prototypeB
10:55:12 AM Aug 11th 2010
I happen to agree. Latin American music tends to be a little different than American and other cultural music. What may sound happy to us, may sound really sad to someone of a different culture. Maybe it's more of a case of Completely Missing the Point more than it is So Bad, It's Horrible.
tonagamu
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11:33:41 PM Aug 5th 2010
I don't think Rolling Stone magazine belongs on the list. It's not extremely credible, but at least when it tries it really DOES try. Hell the bullet point for the entry even states "arguably". So Bad, It's Horrible isn't about "arguably" it's about the things that are actually frowned upon by the majority of the masses, not just a third of the people.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
06:33:47 PM Aug 9th 2010
If it hasn't been cut already — no way in heck is Rolling Stone horrible.

It has had Magazine Decay, yes. But there was a time when it was considered truly good at what it did in music, and it isn't a complete failure at whatever it's doing now. And it is still probably the most popular "music magazine" extant!
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
06:36:37 PM Aug 9th 2010
Cut this and put it here. This 'zine still sells. And if it gets reinstated, please mention which period you're listing — since even you think RS has a good (or not-so-bad) period.

  • Arguably, Rolling Stone magazine could fit this trope well, particularly from the mid 1970s onward when its "ex-hippie baby boomers first" ethos started becoming irrelevant in the face of punk, disco, and new wave. Its lips are permanently attached to the backsides of a select group of acts (Bruce Springsteen, U2, Pearl Jam, etc.), its covers perpetuate an outdated sexist view of women, and Jann Wenner is generally acknowledged as being the person who is single-handedly ruining the prestige and value of the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame since he became its administrator.
    • It's actually Rolling Stone's album reviews that have been going downhill. They still have credibility. Their "best ever" lists are totally done fairly (due to them having credible people in the music industry list their favorite in whatever category it's in, and then based off of their lists develop a point system). What's wrong with Rolling Stone is it takes their reviewers awhile to see greatness or potential in something that All Music sees months in advance. They're not horrible, but they aren't as credible as they used to be.
      • Their "best ever" lists took a hit back in the '80s, though, when it was revealed that Wenner put "Uptown Girl" in the lower rungs of a "best singles of the past 20 years" list just to kiss Billy Joel's butt. He could have at least gone with "Piano Man"...
    • To be fair, critics in general think Springsteen and U2 can do no wrong, not just Rolling Stone.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
09:31:46 PM Aug 11th 2010
I see that one single list from RS has been added back to the page. On the one hand, I'm not sure it belongs here. (We made a big deal about the Blender lists because they are typical.) On the other, I'm not sure where the RS list would belong.
SoWeAteThem
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10:43:21 PM Aug 1st 2010
I got rid of this:
  • Ladies and gentlemen, I introduce you to Fuck, The Retarded Girl. If you think Lou Reed's metal machine music was unlistenable, you'll be crying for that hour long recording of guitar feedback back when you listen to this. Pure, utter noise in it's most uncomfortable form. This is the way all of their music sounds, and one of their tracks is notorious for including commentary on a couple having sex with a miniature stallion. Sweet dreams, kiddies.

Reason: The same reason that I eventually retracted my statement towards Red SK. There is a niche for that kind of thing, coincidentally, it's the same niche as Red SK. I never thought I'd be defending Trashfuck Net, but for goodness sake, that kind of thing, (the Noise equivalent of Three Chords and the Truth) while obnoxious, pretentious, and unwilling to admit shortcomings, has a genuine fanbase: It has caught on with people who have developed an interest, but not a familiarity, with noise music. (I say this having once been a part of this specific niche myself, I still can't believe I almost bought a copy of Pulse Demon). Long story short, it might be bad, but shrugging it off as god-awful is a little on the harsh side, no?
prototypeB
10:17:37 AM Aug 2nd 2010
Well, i'm familiar with this niche. If I had to say something, this one qualifies.

When it comes to the noise niche, there's two types. There's the type that bands like Sonic Youth experimented with, which is guitar feedback, and other effects. This type of noise usually has attempts at creating some form of music. Then you get what's called "Harsh Noise" which makes the experimentation INTENTIONALLY painful to listen to. That's what this is.

Yes, this niche exists, but this one particular artist is notorious for being vulgar with his cover art (it's a single artist's project, not a band), and where most other Harsh Noise artists at least make an attempt at making it sound good, Fuck, The Retarded Girl doesn't even try. He just shoots for recording random beeps and other unpleasant noises combined with horribly sound controlled static. And about the song that contains the commentery on the couple having sex with a horse, that's a song called "Two Zoophiles" off of The Dead Horse Tapes. This guy has a knack for disturbing stuff, and has no real sense of musical skill.
SoWeAteThem
12:13:27 PM Aug 2nd 2010
edited by SoWeAteThem
Point taken, the niche I discussed was a rather tiny niche within Harsh noise itself (one which almost made me swear off Harsh noise sound unheard. Merzbow, Zr3a, Rancid Shit Wank, everything) and one I no longer find myself to be in. I'll repost this (edited to conform to TV Tropes standards) and wait for some non-Fuck, The Retarded Girl (he might actually do that) poster to get pissed off.

UPDATE: Here's his entry in situ:
  • Kyle Dennis, better known as Fuck, The Retarded Girl. That's pretty much what all his music sounds like right there. He is known only for shock value, both on his artwork and in his recordings, (for example, the song "Two Zoophiles" which sampled commentary on a couple having sex with a horse) and, all-in-all, shows little-to-no effort beyond merely evincing discomfort.
Let me know what you think.
prototypeB
02:00:53 PM Aug 2nd 2010
Sounds good to me.
SoWeAteThem
04:54:32 PM Aug 2nd 2010
All right. I'll have to edit it to make it clear he's a noise musician, but that's pretty much it.
tonagamu
10:29:29 PM Aug 4th 2010
Did anyone happen to notice that the two negative comments on the video were removed. hmmm...
prototypeB
02:20:38 PM Aug 11th 2010
We should make note that it's only hip solo projects that are loathed... Apparently his collaborations get nods from critics.
prototypeB
01:00:21 PM Aug 12th 2010
And somebody just posted the link to that track... Lord help us!
SoWeAteThem
05:06:12 PM Aug 14th 2010
They put up a fake version of the song. I went through Last.fm and found the legit version, posted by dennis himself.
prototypeB
06:19:37 PM Aug 14th 2010
It's the real track, but it was shortened, possibly just to play the disturbing parts. Trust me I listened to it.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
11:29:58 AM Aug 29th 2010
Paradox: Kyle Dennis's music evinces discomfort. But the genre he is working in is supposed to evince discomfort. So, if this is evincing discomfort, then it isn't an utter failure and might not be Horrible. But if it didn't evince discomfort, then we wouldn't feel strongly enough about it to find it Horrible. Catch-22...
prototypeB
06:45:34 PM Sep 22nd 2010
Most harsh noise artists aim for at least SOME sort of quality in their work. Kyle Dennis is just deliberately trying to piss people off. It's not one of those artists that just try to make the listener a little uncomfortable, no, it's aiming to pull some strings.
SoWeAteThem
01:06:51 PM Sep 28th 2010
edited by SoWeAteThem
Yes, the genre evinces discomfort. Yes, FTRG evinces discomfort. However, all FTRG does is evince discomfort, which is already a key staple of the genre. Long story short, get 'im alone and he'll show you he doesn't give two shits beyond just going through the motions and the occasional shocking sample. (I still like his bands, though. You should check those out.)
prototypeB
10:43:44 AM Oct 1st 2010
Like with most harsh noise there's at least the presence of song structure of some sort. Kyle Dennis just creates pure ear rape. What's scary are the songs actually have a tempo and a time signature, but that's the closest thing you get to a song structure you get out of good ol' Kyle.

Oh and he creates these noises himself sometimes. Like one of tracks is him taking a power drill to a record player. How lovely!
SoWeAteThem
06:07:54 PM Oct 2nd 2010
edited by SoWeAteThem
Which one was that? You know, so I can dig it up on Last.fm and provide a link?
prototypeB
08:38:02 PM Oct 11th 2010
Dear mother of god. You expect me to be able to find that specific one again? In hours upon hours of FTRG material? You better be paying me if I do that.
SoWeAteThem
11:30:52 PM Oct 13th 2010
Oh, boy. Dreadful sorry...
prototypeB
12:14:09 PM Oct 15th 2010
What makes this one so frustrating for me is the fact that he spends hours constructing these "songs" and user different methods to achieve his sound. He obviously knows how to experiment, so why the fuck is he wasting his time creating garbage that only the most pretentious of hipsters are going to pretend to like? This is extremely perplexing.
68.225.54.87
08:55:48 PM Oct 18th 2010
It is a good question though, does it make him less horrible if he's just doing what he was initially set out to do in the first place? I mean, he's intentionally trying to offend people, and the people that do listen to it like that type of offensive shit. So, is it therefore still horrible despite it's lack of skill and effort, since it does still have an audience?
SoWeAteThem
12:37:10 AM Oct 19th 2010
edited by SoWeAteThem
Once again, his solo works are pretty much pretentious scene-kid bait, like the "pointless brutality" movement in the metal scene. And besides, you heard "Two zoophiles," right. Well let's put it this way: The full version is a two-minute, atonal drone (you won't miss out on much) followed by 4 or so minutes of an unaltered sample that isn't even used as a background to play against. It's just excuse after excuse to put out ham-fisted dreck under the pretense of a commentary as to what is acceptable in society.. (Once again, I love his bands, and I say that not for fear that he may be watching...)
prototypeB
01:02:02 PM Dec 4th 2010
Who was the genius that have Kyle Dennis his own TV Tropes article?
SoWeAteThem
09:13:49 PM Dec 8th 2010
It's a good page. They've Shown Their Work, they kept it objective, it's not blatantly him, it's not blatantly one of those guys who thinks that Japan is the only place that can make good noise (who are JUST as bad, mind you), I'd say we keep it. It looks nothing like Tim Buckley or Fred Durst's pages used to, and hey, Anal Cunt had one.
PS: It's Main.Kyle Dennis
prototypeB
02:45:23 PM Dec 29th 2010
@So We Ate Them when you moved Kyle Dennis you also forgot to move the bullet point about the vinyl.
Idisagree
02:13:28 PM Jan 29th 2012
Out of curiousity, what "tempo and a time signature" is in most his songs anyway?
168.122.228.46
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12:23:58 PM Jul 29th 2010
I suggest we remove Self Portrait, which was an intentionally bad album, and replace it with Dylan. What do you guys think on the matter?
tonagamu
12:22:35 AM Jul 31st 2010
I agree because at least Self Portrait you can ignore, Dylan, not as much.
dxman
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03:18:38 PM Jul 24th 2010
I suggest removing Results May Vary. Even though it has the 3rd lowest score on Metacritic, it reached the top five upon release and has since sold a million copies in the US alone. This means that it must have some fans.
206.123.202.2
01:19:56 AM Jul 25th 2010
Actually, it didn't sell well, even though 1 million would be good for many other bands, Chocolate Starfish sold 12 million worldwide. In one week, it sold more copies than Results May Vary did in 5 years. So it belongs on the list.
prototypeB
02:50:08 PM Jul 25th 2010
Not to mention that before this album they were huge. There was a lot of hype surrounding the album, and no matter how much the work sucks, hype sells.
dxman
08:35:13 AM Jul 26th 2010
Then should we put Cut the Crap by the Clash on here? An unlistenable album by a huge artist, and it DID sell terribly.
prototypeB
02:03:42 PM Jul 26th 2010
Wasn't that the one with should I stay or should I go on it?
168.122.228.46
12:02:12 AM Jul 29th 2010
No, that was Combat Rock, which is very well regarded among the music community and did sell well.
tonagamu
12:21:55 AM Jul 31st 2010
There's a couple of songs off of the album that are well regarded, but overall the album is considered terrible.
dxman
07:59:27 AM Aug 1st 2010
tonagamu, you're talking about Cut the Crap right?
tonagamu
09:34:58 PM Aug 1st 2010
yes, there's like 2 tracks off of the album that are fondly remembered.
Sen
01:46:37 PM Aug 17th 2011
Which one besides "This Is England"?
205.168.59.254
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10:57:13 AM Jul 23rd 2010
Anyone else want to add M.I.A.'s latest album, MAYA to the list. I... just... what the fuck is wrong with it? This album is a complete fucking disaster. Not to mention the fact that she's fucking a billionare, and eats truffle fries in her spare time. It kind of ruins her populist image.
tonagamu
12:46:04 AM Aug 1st 2010
It got positive reviews. Not as strong as her first 2 efforts but still got some acclaim.
prototypeB
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10:32:35 AM Jul 19th 2010
edited by prototypeB
Just a thought about the Billy Idol album... Yes the fanbase is a bunch of trolls hellbent on pissing people off. But notice the part of that sentence, "fanbase"... Does a troll fanbase still constitute a fanbase and therefore make it ineligable for So Bad, It's Horrible?

I mean, shouldn't a truly horrible work be something that others wouldn't even joke around about liking because it's THAT bad?
Glowsquid
12:56:54 PM Jul 19th 2010
Sonichu is in a similar situation, and that didn't make it ineligible.
tonagamu
09:10:25 PM Jul 20th 2010
A fake fanbase means that there's fake support...
prototypeB
04:16:25 PM Jul 22nd 2010
Which means there's support...
SoWeAteThem
04:56:42 PM Aug 2nd 2010
edited by SoWeAteThem
The support is comparable to rubberneckers at a car accident. They're being sarcastic at best.
prototypeB
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12:25:34 PM Jul 13th 2010
Okay, about the My Vitriol song, agreed that the Madonna song is horrible. But i've heard the actually has a lot more than just that one song that people try to pretend don't exist, but the band keeps playing anyways. And by pretend don't exist I mean completely unrelated to Finelines and the fans loathe it to the point they have petitioned for the removal of some of the songs. Research anyone?
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
10:50:03 PM Jul 13th 2010
Speaking of research — I sincerely doubt a song can be Horrible because of Narm. That's abusing one of those terms.
prototypeB
02:58:14 PM Jul 15th 2010
The Narm just adds to the song's badness. It isn't the cause of it.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
08:16:17 PM Jul 15th 2010
The thing is, Narm normally produces enjoyable badness — it's funny. Unintentionally funny, but funny nonetheless. Now, are there genres where that can't be a redemptive factor?
tonagamu
10:41:24 PM Jul 15th 2010
That would probably be my fault for sliding that in there. The lack of understanding of the "sad" emotion in the song just makes it bad, but I guess my brain confused it with Narm I'll fix it.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
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07:35:29 PM Jul 9th 2010
Cut this and put it here. For one thing, you can't know a song from the title alone, without an artist or a YouTube clip. For another, there is the distinct possibility that the song is expressing exactly what it's trying to express — though I can't be sure, since I definitely don't know that song.

  • You know that song "I'm Awesome"? That. It may be a joke song, but it just makes the guy singing sound like an arrogant prick.
tonagamu
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11:44:54 AM Jul 7th 2010
Can I add a section for lyrics, for those songs with generally good sound but terrible TERRIBLE lyrics?
tonagamu
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10:46:19 PM Jun 30th 2010
Why was the dragonball z video deleted? that was really putrid...
206.29.188.226
10:58:08 AM Jul 2nd 2010
I agree... It's not as much the song being bad, it's just the worst possible music to be used as a Dragonball Z opening.
Glowsquid
02:56:17 PM Jul 2nd 2010
Heh, I'll put it under Dethroning Music Of Suck.
alcockell
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03:19:33 PM Jun 27th 2010
Song - "I just called to say I love you" by Stevie Wonder.

Just because.

AnonymousMcCartneyfan
01:44:20 PM Jun 28th 2010
No. That was a bonafide hit! (I also like it — it's got a good melody.)
alcockell
05:44:29 PM Jun 29th 2010
Yeah - but compare with Stevie's '70s stuff. It does not hold a candle to Superstition etc...

Now - Ebony and Ivory - THAT was crap!

dxman
08:05:24 AM Jul 5th 2010
Just because it's nowhere near as good as Stevie Wonder's stuff he did in the 70s (a sentiment I agree with) doesn't mean it's bad at all.
FromtheWordsofBR
05:54:03 AM Oct 2nd 2013
Okay, I know it's been 3 years since this post was made, and it was probably a joke, but......you're kidding me, right? That song hit number one on the Billboard Hot 100, Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs and Hot Adult Contemporary Tracks charts. Obviously if it's that big a hit it can't be here.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
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10:40:10 PM Jun 24th 2010
Are we sure Patrick Doyle counts? This is an entire artist's output — we want worse than mediocrity.
SoWeAteThem
04:59:57 PM Aug 2nd 2010
Okay, okay. Mr. Doyle may have been a bit of a stretch... I've gotten rid of the entry.
208.54.83.49
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07:47:07 PM Jun 22nd 2010
I have a few suggestions of what should be removed.

First off, the "cyberpunk" movement has NOT died out and there is a HUGE fanbase out there for the Billy Idol entry, so it doesn't qualify.

I think Thank You by Duran Duran should be cut down to just the public enemy cover, since tracks like "Perfect Day" got praised by Lou Reed himself.

The Elvis entry can go because there's no music to be heard on it, so it's inclusion is unnecessary.

And last off Brokencyde just need to be removed in general. Yes, they only sold 10 thousand for one of their albums, but that's actually really good for an underground act like them. Not to mention their shows nearly sell out small venues. Sounds like a dedicated fanbase to me.
208.54.83.55
08:04:33 PM Jun 22nd 2010
And excuse my ranting but 2 points I forgot.

I think YouTube only artists or anything that was posted by some random unknown person should be removed. Otherwise you'll just have a huge list of random untalented people on YouTube and it'll just be a mess.

Also, just because critics hate it or charted it as the worst ever, doesn't mean it should be posted here either... Look at Led Zep. perfect example of a critically hated artist that got later appreciation. I think just like a good work should pushed through the test of time, so should a bad work. Who knows 30 years down the road Brokencyde may not be as heavilly hated as they are now.
TonyBranston
08:06:51 PM Jun 22nd 2010
Having Fun with Elvis on Stage actually was in a book of the worst rock albums ever, so it probably counts.
208.54.83.55
08:21:38 PM Jun 22nd 2010
But there's no actual music on it. I'm not saying it's not So Bad, It's Horrible I'm just saying it's not a music album.

Also, I think there should be a 4th requirement for So Bad, It's Horrible . I think there should be a time frame of 5 years since the work has been released in order for it to qualify. This way we can see if it's still hated, and it may hush up most of the edit wars that go on here. Won't stop all of it, but I notice a lot of the things in each of there categories are quite recent and those seem to be the ones people argue over the most.
tonagamu
10:39:52 PM Jun 22nd 2010
The Elvis recording is still music-related, so it belongs here.

Cyberpunk as a movement is like totally dead. Show some evidence with your claims if you're gonna challenge that...

I agree with the Broke NCYDE thing. Their fanbase is just too big. I understand they qualify, but it's still maybe just too early to judge whether or not they're really So Bad, It's Horrible.

I think adding that rule may help clear up some things on this list too. It would surely bring down the things people post on here just because its really edgy and seems horrible at first glance. Sometimes things just need to work their way into our culture before we just judge them. For instance, ICP writes terrible music, but you can't deny they have an influence on society. Time will probably tell whether or not Broke NCYDE will fade out, get worse, or get more accepted.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
01:48:55 PM Jun 28th 2010
The Billy Idol album has been cut. (I cited Poe's Law.)

I recommend keeping the Elvis-chatter album. It might not have music, but the people who sell that one are no doubt counting on people mistaking it for music. Either it stays, or we specifically cite that it's a Troll Album.
206.29.188.178
11:06:41 AM Jul 2nd 2010
I made the mistake of calling BS on the Billy Idol album. I did some more research.

The "cyberpunk" movement is practically dead now. The people who claim to follow it now are doing it as a joke. Not to mention the group of people that follow it are extremely small... It just seemed overwhelming to read all the positive comments on the YouTube video for one of the songs on the album.

Turns out it's just a giant joke that Idol fans keep milking because they know how pretentious it is. They know how bad the album is, but it's just a giant walking breathing joke that the fans refuse to kill.

So if it could be put back on here it would be fabulous.
tonagamu
11:02:02 PM Jul 5th 2010
I'm gonna readd Cyberpunk since it is a giant joke!
tonagamu
topic
11:13:02 PM Jun 13th 2010
Does Metal Machine Music belong on here?

I mean it is a terrible SOUNDING album, and critics generally hate it... But it's considered to be the beginning of "noise" music. We're talking Jesus And Mary Chain, My Bloody Valentine, Sonic Youth, Dinosaur Jr., Spiritualized, and all those other noise-based bands which takes up a good 90 percent of nineties music all influenced by this album... Is it really that bad? Hell it's got a remaster due out this year...
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
09:52:32 PM Jun 15th 2010
It's got a remaster coming out? Then it probably isn't that bad.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
10:02:15 PM Jun 15th 2010
Oops, you meant the Lou Reed guitar feedback special... The musical equivalent of the first abstract art, apparently. Hard to know what to think, then... It's apparently the musical equivalent of abstract art.

You know how several schools of modern & postmodern art were, by urban legend, founded to demonstrate that art critics were too lenient in their definition of art — and never succeeded?

Or the legend of how someone tried to prove that abstract art wasn't art by having an art show with an artist whose works got critically acclaimed — and who, after all the art was shown and sold, turned out to be a chimp? That one didn't work either — instead, it got decided that chimps can do art.

Is it really that influential?
tonagamu
12:38:10 AM Jun 16th 2010
Yes, Wiki it... Sonic Youth and several other noise bands cite it as a key influence.
Russo1930
12:44:23 AM Jun 16th 2010
Not really, it only got a remaster because Lou Reed was in the Velvet Underground, but even he hates that album, and Jimi Hendrix is far more important to the development of Noise Music than Metal Machine Music.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
10:39:09 PM Jun 16th 2010
According to The Other Wiki, Sonic Youth sampled this album. It really does appear to be an influence to the "noise music" genre, assuming The Other Wiki isn't playing a huge practical joke on us...

That in itself means nothing — but apparently people have covered the darn thing (who knows how), and it got performed on tour before the latest remaster. (This is the third CD issuance of this work!)

AnonymousMcCartneyfan
10:48:29 PM Jun 16th 2010
Cut this and put it here for now. Everything here is true, but it has a fandom with some high profile members — several bands, at least one German museum... Misaimed Fandom or not, we can't write it off.

  • Lou Reed's Metal Machine Music is a double album of nothing but guitar feedback (possibly recorded to get rid of his contract, but Reed only stated that "I was serious about it. I was also really, really stoned."), a constant staple on "Worst Album Ever" lists. Reed said "Well, anyone who gets to side four is dumber than I am."
    Mark Deming: For the record, I did get to side four. But I got paid for it.
SoWeAteThem
11:37:51 PM Aug 28th 2010
edited by SoWeAteThem
Well, Squeeze has no formal plans for a reissue, which suggests that, in stark contrast to it, there is a big enough audience that ever wants to hear that racket again.
alcockell@eclipse.co.uk
topic
11:52:31 PM Jun 10th 2010
What - and nobody mentioned Minipops? This production abortion also added a bit of squick as it was basically 8-12 year olds covering current hits.

But it was also a paedophile's dream. Here's a summary - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKcmHwjfCbg

And a Sheena Easton cover version by a heavily made-up *5 year old?* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVUxiCSzPb8

Compare the original... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdPky0i7sx4&annotation_id=annotation_373793&feature=iv - a little comfier to view.

AnonymousMcCartneyfan
topic
06:54:08 PM Jun 7th 2010
Cut this and put it here for now. Between there being a genuinely good track on there, the possibility of getting that track without the rest of the album, and the total sales of the album, this is somewhat dubious.

(The point I accidentally cut, re people knowing the album was bad when the first single came out, doesn't help the case because first singles tend to come out before their albums do.)

  • The latest Lil' Wayne album, Rebirth, is already being called the worst album of 2010, despite being released in February. Reason? Lil' Wayne tries to build rock cred with this album... and flops harder than a fat guy at a pool. To quote the Entertainment Weekly review, "Viscous n-metal dirges like American Star and first single Prom Queen are Auto-Tuned and endlessly distorted, as if they've been dredged up from some gremlin-y swamp and then strained through a wet waffle cone." It only gets worse from there, as Jeff Weiss' track-by-track breakdown attests.
    • The album gets good two-thirds of the way. It starts when Eminem opens his mouth and ends as soon as he's done.
    • The worst part about this? The album has sold over a half-million copies. Either Eminem's contribution is really awesome, or those buyers' taste in music is really awful.
      • Probably because it has Lil' Wayne's name on it. You put a famous name (person, movie, or TV show) on a product, and your certain to sell a lot of it, no matter how awful said product is, simply due to name association.
      • Also, the song Eminem features in, Drop the World, considered the only decent song on the album, did chart fairly well, misleading people into thinking the rest of the album was also good.
Russo1930
09:01:04 PM Jun 7th 2010
I think Rebirth still justifies an inclusion.

From a sales perspective, while Rebirth would have been considered to have sold well for any other album, its predecessor, Tha Carter 3, sold twice what Rebirth sold in its entire run, and that was just in its first week.

Tha Carter 3 also went triple platinum, while Rebirth struggled to reach gold status, and considering that at the time, Lil Wayne was both raps most sucessful artist, and most critically acclaimed, this album was a flop by the standards Lil Wayne had previously set.

I don't know if this would justify it's inclusion back into So Bad, It's Horrible, but I certainly hope so.
Russo1930
07:40:07 PM Jun 8th 2010
I returned Rebirth to SBIH, with the added citation that, since it sold one sixth of what Lil Wayne's previous release sold, it's considered a commercial failure. It was supposed to sell a lot more units, and the only reason it sold anything at all was because of his previous notoriety. Tha Carter 3 is also highly likely to become a Diamond Album one day, and Rebirth is highly unlikely to sell any more units.

With artists that successful, a higher standard is made for success.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
07:07:42 PM Jun 9th 2010
The problem isn't just the sales. The problem is the sales and a genuinely good song. That album shouldn't have been here at all.
205.168.59.254
11:25:09 AM Jun 10th 2010
Posting the updated version here, the sales isn't a problem, as was previously mentioned, the album sold a lot less than it should have. The problem is the Eminem song, is "Drop the World" good enough to prevent the album from being So Bad, It's Horrible?

  • The latest Lil' Wayne album, Rebirth, is already being called the worst album of 2010, despite being released in February. Reason? Lil' Wayne tries to build rock cred with this album... and flops harder than a fat guy at a pool. To quote the Entertainment Weekly review, "Viscous n-metal dirges like American Star and first single Prom Queen are Auto-Tuned and endlessly distorted, as if they've been dredged up from some gremlin-y swamp and then strained through a wet waffle cone." It only gets worse from there, as Jeff Weiss' track-by-track breakdown attests.
    • The album gets good two-thirds of the way. It starts when Eminem opens his mouth and ends as soon as he's done.
    • The worst part about this? The album has sold over a half-million copies. Either Eminem's contribution is really awesome, or those buyers' taste in music is really awful.
      • Probably because it has Lil' Wayne's name on it. You put a famous name (person, movie, or TV show) on a product, and your certain to sell a lot of it, no matter how awful said product is, simply due to name association.
      • Also, the song Eminem features in, Drop the World, considered the only decent song on the album, did chart fairly well, misleading people into thinking the rest of the album was also good.
      • No, people were thinking this album sucked back when the first single "Prom Queen" was released half a year before.
    • While the album did become a gold record, its still considered a commercial failure. Lil Wayne's previous album, Tha Carter 3, went triple platinum, and has a good chance at becoming a Diamond Album one day. Rebirth has sold one sixth of what Tha Carter 3 sold, a significant drop in sales, and it is highly unlikely that it will ever sell any more units.
ferrarimanf355
10:46:35 AM Jul 6th 2010
One genuinely good song is not enough to save this album.

I say put it back on, and not because I initially added it on there.
206.123.202.2
01:23:14 AM Jul 25th 2010
It belongs there, the song itself isn't good, it's just better than all the others on the album. The top grade of shit is still shit.

And the album sold terribly. Though gold is good for some standards, Tha Carter 3 sold six times what Rebirth sold, I'm putting it back.
Lordnecronus
topic
04:24:20 AM Jun 6th 2010
edited by SoWeAteThem
Who thought I'd ever be defending Brokencyde?

Cut this and put it here:

They've been removed several times because they have a legitimate, unironic fanbase - and it's not that small, either. I realise most people who've heard Brokencyde think they're utter horseshit (I do, too), but the same goes for a lot of artists that aren't on this page, like Insane Clown Posse (who have been removed a few times as well).
Russo1930
09:26:21 PM Jun 6th 2010
I've updated the post since then, filling in some research gaps, and adding a few key facts. Here's the post in its current state.

I'm pretty sure just about everything in the So Bad, It's Horrible section has at least one genuine fan, even Millionares have a few fans. But if the fandom number is so small as to be insignificant, especially when there's such a high hatred ratio.

As for Insane Clown Posse, while I despise them, they do have significantly more fans than brokeNCYDE, and, as I've shown in my recently updated post on brokeNCYDE, while I've been able to find a few positive reviews for Insane Clown Posse, I've yet to find any for brokeNCYDE.

The further updated post also indicates that brokeNCYDE has sold fewer than 10,000 records, even assuming that double that number was downloaded, that's fewer than 30,000 people who actually own that record. Of those who, unabashedly, love that record, that number is likely much smaller. brokeNCYDE has also been kicked off the Warped tour, a tour known for inflicting painfully awful bands like Millionares and 3O!3H onto the crowd. That's like getting kicked out of a sewage bin because you smell too bad.

I've carefully edited my post to remove any reason as to defend them not being on their. So even though they have a small fanbase, the number is insignificant compared to the overwhelming hatred they recieve that easily eclipses Insane Clown Posse, Hollywood Undead, and The Jonas Brothers. They belong their, and unless we can find real, genuine fans, not trolls, or people who like them because they're So Bad, It's Good, who can offer legitimate reasons as to why they belong their, they belong here.
Russo1930
09:29:38 PM Jun 6th 2010
Although, even brokeNCYDE has an album that even their few fans despise, known as ''The Broken''. Assuming that we find legitimate fans, that album will go their instead.
tonagamu
11:07:27 PM Jun 6th 2010
edited by tonagamu
I don't personally think that they belong on the list. Their music is god awful by all rights, HOWEVER I am from Tucson, Arizona and they're from New Mexico, so we have a lot of their fans here. Their fanbase is just as big as ICP's and what's worse is that the cart I work at that already sells Insane Clown Posse's stuff is now selling Broke NCYDE merchandise. And guess what? It's outselling the ICP stuff. So their fanbase is at least big enough to sell the merchandise.
205.168.59.254
02:32:28 AM Jun 7th 2010
I myself am a New Mexican, while I live almost two hours from Albuquerque, very few people I've met even know who brokeNCYDE is, and those who do usually tell me, "man, those fucking faggots fucking suck all the cocks in the fucking universe."

Also, the southwest isn't a highly populated area, so anything that gets big out here, unless it's huge in California as well, isn't really all that popular overall.

Seeing as how you and I live in scene area ground zero, which will likely finally die off when all the water here's used up, and we all die, it's not a very good indication that the regional favorites outsell an aging band from the past. It really doesn't judge their overall popularity nationwide.
Lordnecronus
06:55:41 AM Jun 7th 2010
Discussion about this incident here. This may also have larger ramifications.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
01:44:19 PM Jun 9th 2010
No kidding. The thread ceased talking about BrokeNCYDE being So Bad, It's Horrible around page three and shifted to "should we get rid of the Horrible index now and forever?" <blanches>

It's a little late now, but I refined the entry to make the case clearer and lower the flames.

As to why I cut their getting kicked off the Warped tour — they were booted, not because of lack of fans, but because of protest by a group that looked like Moral Guardians. That could have been any notorious crunkcore band. I remember NWA getting kicked off concerts because of protesters in the late '80s or early '90s — and they weren't Horrible! So it's not indicative.
feotakahari
topic
10:54:00 PM May 28th 2010
I changed the quote to one I liked better. Here's the older one in case others disagree:

"There are more bad musicians than there is bad music."
Isaac Stern
triassicranger
topic
01:54:22 AM May 16th 2010
edited by triassicranger
I have doubts about the French Dragonball Z openings being listed here. I once saw a video on YouTube where Bernard Minet was doing a live performance and the crowd was singing along happilly. And if a song makes a crowd happy that knocks it out of Horrible dosn't it?
Glowsquid
02:57:54 PM Jul 2nd 2010
It might have some nostalgic value or whatever, but you have to agree that rendition just doesn't fit the show at all.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
09:29:55 PM Jul 5th 2010
That makes it Dethroning Music Of Suck, not this.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
topic
01:50:16 PM Apr 22nd 2010
edited by AnonymousMcCartneyfan
This is what I get for not watching this section like a hawk...

I deleted two points of the Duran Duran entry. One is an objection to an album from a relation of a troper which seems to be heavily hinged on Squick. The other is objecting to a long string of albums by the group, none of them named. Let me remind you that this band was hot in The Eighties and had many hits. We can't list albums without saying what they are — I don't want anyone thinking "The Reflex" or "Rio" is Horrible. Guilty Pleasures, maybe (esp. the videos), but not Horrible. (I even have a little fondness for "Sin of the City"...)

We were given angry hearts
But anger's not enough...
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
06:48:20 PM Aug 9th 2010
Cutting this and putting it here. We can always list the Duran Duran vs. of "911 Is a Joke" in the Singles folder.

  • Duran Duran has had their fair share of good and bad, but their album Thank You is their absolute worst. Q magazine listed it at #1 on their list of the worst albums of all time.
    • Thank You is a collection of cover songs originally done by the band's influences. All the covers are poorly done. Probably the worst is their cover of Public Enemy's "911 Is A Joke". Also, the album led to a lot of critical backlash; the band had trouble recovering from it. Critics would reject later Duran Duran albums sound unheard because of this. Oh, and the worst part? You know how some albums get better with each listen? This one gets worse with each listen, and it's insulting on the first listen.
    • Though Lou Reed loved the band's cover of "Perfect Day", the "White Lines" cover became a fan favorite, and some covers (e.g. "Crystal Ship") are arguably well done. It's just the weird selections and listener dissonance (e.g. the aforementioned "911 Is A Joke" cover) that rendered the covers album a poor one overall. Had they stuck with their actual influences (e.g. Bowie, Cockney Rebel, The Doors), that might've made for a better album.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
09:28:21 PM Aug 11th 2010
Or the Covers folder.
AnonymousMcCartneyfan
topic
08:38:58 PM Apr 21st 2010
Cut this and am putting it here for now. So Bad, It's Good is incompatible with So Bad, It's Horrible. If there are a significant number of fans of this band that feel it's So Bad, It's Good, then...

  • The album 5643 Song EP by Anal Cunt. Already, it's an ambitious project as per its title, but their method of fitting them all into eleven minutes must be heard to be believed. They used a sixteen track studio to create sixteen simultaneous tracks that were all just mixed together. Even with that in mind, each "song" has to average less than two seconds. Combine this with Anal Cunt's usual style (which can best be described as "intentional ear rape") and you basically get eleven minutes of little more than random static.

Also, I cut a "laughing at KidsBop=} doing [=LadyGaGa" thing. We may want to adjust the general entry for that group/those groups just a little...
Lordnecronus
07:59:21 AM Apr 22nd 2010
edited by Lordnecronus
If the entry said that Anal Cunt as a band were So Bad, It's Horrible, then they should be off the list due to the whole having-a-fanbase thing.

However, this is a specific album... well, EP... and I'm a bit muddled about what we do about albums by artists with fanbases. I'm no fan of Anal Cunt, despite creating their page, but I've heard a bit of the 5643 Song EP and found it funny due to the Stylistic Suck. I would call it So Bad, It's Good - deliberately - but I don't know what others think.
SoWeAteThem
12:03:10 PM Aug 2nd 2010
That's pretty much Anal Cunt in a nutshell. They Plotted a Perfectly Good Waste from the beginning.
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