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Creator Backlash: Music
  • The band A Flock Of Seagulls came to dislike "I Ran" because for their entire three decade existence, nobody cared about any other song they released.
  • This general concept is parodied amusingly in the Barenaked Ladies song "Box Set": "I never thought I'd be regretful/Of all my past success/But some stupid No.1 hit single/Has got me in this mess..." Which is ironic, in hindsight, as that's what "One Week" turned out to be: their stupid No.1 hit single. Not a bad song, but definitely atypical. BNL's reaction? Call their greatest hits collection Disc One after another line in "Box Set" ("Disc One, it's where I've begun/It's all my greatest hits"), try to name one of the new songs on that collection "One Weaker" (it didn't stick), mock it on their next album, Everything to Everyone ("Kinda like the last time/With a bunch of really fast rhymes/If we're living in the past, I'm/Soon gone."), and move on. They still play "One Week" at concerts, but they often swap it out for an acoustic version.
  • Devo dumped the albums, Shout, Total Devo, and Smooth Noodle Maps in the crapper, and haven't performed a thing from any of them since reuniting in 1995.
    • Devo's also lambasted their brief foray into CD-ROM gaming, "The Adventures of the Smart Patrol".
    • Comments on the ill-fated Devo 2.0 project with Disney have been more about how absurd it was, and that being the reason why they did it.
  • Patrick Stump, lead singer of Fall Out Boy, played with this trope in a 2013 interview with Rolling Stone after the band reunited;not so much backlash for the band itself, but the scene it became associated with:
    • "I never wanted to be in an emo band, and somehow I ended up in one of the biggest emo bands, and for a long time I hated it more than anybody."
  • Madonna has said that if she knew she'd be called the "Material Girl" for almost thirty years, she would have never recorded the song.
  • Radiohead grew to hate their first hit song "Creep" because people would show up to their concerts exclusively to hear it, acting indignant until they play it and leaving immediately afterwards. They continued to play it reluctantly, usually stating how they have no respect for the people that want to hear it right before. They eventually cut the song from their playlist altogether for a long period of time, and wrote "My Iron Lung" about it (sample lyrics: "This/This is our new song/Just like the last one/A total waste of time/My iron lung")
    • Ed O'Brien has said the distinctive guitar crunch in "Creep" resulted from guitarist Jonny Greenwood intentionally trying to ruin the even-then despised song during recording. The band felt it improved the song so they kept it in.
    • Thom Yorke also dislikes another early hit, "High and Dry"; in his words, "It's not bad...it's very bad." Radiohead hasn't performed it live since 1998.
    • While they weren't particularly hits, the band also quickly disowned the single "Pop Is Dead" and the Pablo Honey album track "Prove Yourself" - they consider the former a poorly written song, and just quickly stopped playing the latter live because they were unsettled by the audience singing along to the repeated line "I'm better off dead".
  • One of the reasons that a Led Zeppelin reunion took so long to fully materialize is because Robert Plant came to utterly abhor "Stairway to Heaven", calling it "that bloody wedding song."
  • The Jimi Hendrix Experience eventually grew to hate their cover of "Hey Joe". Famously, during a televised performance on British talk show It's Lulu, Hendrix cut the song short, announced "We'd like to stop playing this rubbish," and launched into an impromptu cover of Cream's "Sunshine of Your Love".
    • Towards the end of his life, Hendrix had gotten tired of guitar-driven psychedelic music, lamenting that he was only known for 'guitar tricks' and not much else while knowing full well that his style of music wouldn't last. At a concert, he had an angry encounter with an audience member who insisted he play "Foxey Lady", responding with "That's what happens when Earth fucks with Space!" before leaving in disgust. note  His later live performances found him detached and almost bored. It's believed that had he survived, Hendrix would have moved on to a new genre — Progressive Rock — and may have joined with the then-still-in-development Emerson, Lake & Palmer.
  • Alain Jourgenson, leader of the pioneer industrial rock band Ministry, repeatedly voices his complete disgust for their early synth-pop years, especially their debut album With Sympathy. Jourgenson claimed that they recorded "an abortion" due to their record label demanding that they record a synth-pop album. Jourgenson allegedly destroys any copy of the album that he can find.
    • He also hated the song "Stigmata", which was one of the band's first popular songs. He got over his dislike for the song after a while, but it was very rarely played live during the band's career.
  • Neil Young is unwilling to re-release his Time Fades Away live album due to bad memories of the preceding tour and Young's decision to have the album processed on the unreliable "Compumix," an early computerized mixer (which a worker referred to as "the Compufuck"), hindering any hopes of remastering the album. Time Fades Away is currently the only Neil Young album of completely original material that is not reissued on CD.
  • Kurt Cobain often mentioned in interviews that he thought "Smells Like Teen Spirit" was one of the worst songs he wrote and wondered why even one of what he considered his better songs (like "Drain You" which was played at every Nirvana concert from its writing until the day he died) wasn't a hit like "Teen Spirit".
    • Cobain also hated the polished sound of Nevermind.
  • Bobby McFerrin has completely disowned "Don't Worry, Be Happy" because of Misaimed Fandom: he intended it as satire, but most fans of the song took it at face value. When he signed up with a new record contract, he went through great trouble in negotiation to insure that he never, ever, ever, ever has to play that song ever again.
  • Sting started to hate how "Every Breath You Take" was being interpreted as a romantic song. He refused to play it after a certain point except at one concert, where he changed half the lyrics.
  • The Beastie Boys started refusing to play "Fight For Your Right" at concerts because the very crowd that they were criticizing with the song adopted it as their anthem.
    • They have also apologized for that entire album (Licensed to Ill) due its misogynistic, homophobic, and generally irresponsible lyrics. Their work has become a bit more classy since then. This has led to other protests about missing the point that their early lyrics were satirical and exaggerated, and they're not fun anymore.
  • Cage recorded a violent, drug-oriented album called Movies for the Blind. Though considered a underground Hip Hop Cult Classic by fans and critics, he dismissed it as being too random and fragmented, and said that it glorified drugs.
  • Billy Joel got sick of "Piano Man" for a time and refused to sing it in concert. He got over it, though the audience tends to save him the trouble of singing it when he plays it nowadays. And reportedly, he's not any too fond of "Just the Way You Are," either, because it's a love song to someone he ended up divorcing. Joel also retired "Uptown Girl" (another love song to an ex-wife) from his stage show for a long time, but he eventually reintroduced it.
  • Five Iron Frenzy came to hate "Combat Chuck" and completely stopped playing it at shows. Eventually, on their farewell tour they reinstated it as part of the "Medley of Power Ballads and Bad Taste". And they even expressed their hatred here, replacing the last part of the lyrics in the medley with "This song sucks/Put it back, Put it back."
  • Stephen Sondheim has often expressed disdain for his West Side Story lyrics, especially "I Feel Pretty". In Time magazine, he commented to the effect that the song in question sounded more like Cole Porter than anything an urban Latina would be likely to sing.
  • Gustav Holst had this kind of feeling towards The Planets Suite because it overshadowed his other compositions. He even refused to write a piece for Pluto after it was discovered. He ended up being vindicated in that choice since Pluto is no longer considered a planet.
  • According to The Other Wiki, Edvard Grieg referred to his famous "In the Hall of the Mountain King" from the incidental music to Peer Gynt as an "infernal thing reek[ing] of cow-pies and provincialism." He also had an Old Shame in the form of a symphony in C minor.
  • One of the reasons Tom Lehrer had such a short "active" musical career was that he quickly learned he was bored stiff by the idea of performing the same set of songs over and over and over. Some of his performances only happened because he wanted to visit the place where they were located. (Australia being a major example.)
  • Noel Gallagher of Oasis describes their third album, Be Here Now, as "the sound of a bunch of guys on coke in the studio not giving a fuck." He also started to dislike "Roll With It", calling it "appalling".
    • This is why "Roll With It" doesn't appear on the band's best of album despite being (nearly) their first No.1 single. There are also no songs from Be Here Now although there were a few that could reasonably have been included (most notably "Don't Go Away", which remains one of the band's biggest hits in the US and is reasonably popular back home; Noel considered another, "D'You Know What I Mean?", but gave up since "its length upset the flow of the record"). Liam, incidentally, does like Be Here Now, in a rare case of Broken Base extending to the actual creators. (Noel and Liam Gallagher not agreeing on something? Shocking.)
    • Liam Gallagher's opinion on "Wonderwall":
    • And now Noel states that "We should have never made Standing On The Shoulder of Giants." (''Be Here Now''s successor, widely considered the band's low point), claiming he was burned out and uninspired but Liam pressured him into writing new songs.
  • Several Beatles have tried to disown The Beatles or their work at some point in their solo careers.
    • John Lennon says "I don't believe in Beatles" at the climax of "God." This sentiment is also expressed in some of his writings: "they picked on Yoko, so..."
    • Early on, Paul McCartney was so desperate to distance himself from The Beatles that his 1973 college tour included no Beatles material—at a time when he didn't have much solo material. Possible subversion later—in the '80s, Paul was presumed to be trying to distance himself from the Beatles when he was also heavily covering his part of their work.
    • George Harrison said that his biggest break was getting into the Beatles, and his second biggest break was getting out of the Beatles.
    • John, George and Ringo have all gone on record as utterly detesting "Maxwell's Silver Hammer," partially because Paul insisted on recording it and re-recording it so many times, and partially because John and George considered it "granny music" to start with. Ringo, on the other hand, is on record as stating that he loathes the song because of the excessive-to-the-point-of-creepy dissonance between the song and its lyrics — what seems like a cute pop ditty is actually a celebration of a serial killer of the Ted Bundy type.
    • Also worth noting is John's parody of Paul's biggest hit "Yesterday": "Yesterday / I'm not half the man I used to be / That's because I'm an amputee..." Supposedly John never cared for the song and didn't particularly like having his name on it.
      • Paul and their producer George Martin did originally want to release it as a solo song, but Executive Meddling proved otherwise.
    • Jane Asher never wants to talk about her relationship with McCartney anymore. So don't ask her.
    • John wasn't fond of the way "Help!" (the song) turned out, as its lyrics were meant to be serious. He wanted it to be a piano ballad.
    • John was also unimpressed with the popularity of "Hello, Goodbye!" saying "'I Am The Walrus' was the B side to 'Hello, Goodbye!'"
  • Elton John's 2002 hit "This Train Don't Stop Here Anymore" is about an aging, weary and lonely rock star, heavily implied to be John himself, reflecting cynically on his life, career and music. While the song is about his life in general, the first verse in particular has some very snarky things to say about his music:
    All the things I've said in songs
    All the purple prose you bought from me
    Reality's just black and white
    The sentimental things I'd write
    Never meant that much to me
    • The video for the above — based around a young Elton John preparing for a gig, and dealing with fans and hangers-on backstage, where it is clear that he is simply going through the motions with little real enthusiasm — further adds to this reading.
    • Elton has openly expressed displeasure with his 1986 album, Leather Jackets, claiming it was "one bag of coke after another" and that he was "not a well budgie" when he recorded it. Taupin has voiced displeasure of 1997's The Big Picture due to its slick production values (though he still likes the songs on it). Elton has also described 1973's Don't Shoot Me I'm Only The Piano Player as a disposable "bubblegum album" he recorded under pressure while sick with glandular fever and on the verge of a nervous breakdown.
    • Bernie Taupin has publicly disowned the 1982 album Jump Up! feeling it was "disposable" save for "Empty Garden", Elton's tribute to John Lennon.
  • A much older example: Frederic Chopin never wanted his Fantaisie-Impromptu in C-sharp minor to be published because of its similarities to Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata, and asked his friend Julian Fontana to burn it (the Impromptu, not the Sonata). However, after Chopin's death Julian published it anyway and since then it's become one of Chopin's most well-known melodies. One can only wonder what Chopin would be thinking from beyond the grave...
  • Ludwig van Beethoven is said to have been exasperated with the success of Moonlight Sonata, saying "Surely I've written better things".
  • Novelty songs, when they are recorded by artists who primarily do serious work, almost invariably become a major thorn in the side of that artist. Nobody likes seeing the serious compositions they worked so hard to bring to life ignored in favor of some silly thing they did as a joke.
    • Chris Rice has expressed great disdain for his frequently requested "Cartoon Song".
    • Scooby-Dooby-Doojah.
    • Ask David Bowie what he thinks of "The Laughing Gnome"... if you're tired of life.
    • Steve Taylor, another Christian artist, didn't dislike his song "Lifeboat" until his audience kept screaming for it every night of that album's tour. Since the video featured Steve wearing drag to play the teacher, that was expected of him to do on stage as well, which Steve greatly enjoyed.
  • King Crimson refuse to play anything from their first few albums live for fear of "...becoming old dinosaurs." Aside from official pronouncements, the period between Islands (4th album) and Lark's Tongues in Aspic (5th album) marked the permanent departure of lyricist Peter Sinfield, along with every other band member (and writer) save Robert Fripp himself, and the adoption of a completely new musical style, with a different instrumental line-up. It would be reasonable to infer that royalty considerations, difficulty in adapting the music for the new lineup and desire not to revisit an era that was so carefully abandoned have all played a part. This has not stopped Fripp from overseeing extensive remasters of the early albums. He'd probably deny that money was the prime consideration...
  • Frank Loesser was rather annoyed about "Thumbelina" being one of the most popular songs he'd written.
  • Eric Boswell (1921-2009) was rather annoyed about nativity hit "Little Donkey" - he'd composed many other songs, many of them witty, satirical, irreverent and rooted in his native Northern England. Plus, people kept assuming that he must have been old when he wrote it in 1959, and hence must have died in the mean time. He did admit liking the way that the royalties covered all his bills, though.
  • Bloodrock turned away from hard rock on their last two albums (partially due to their original lead singer being replaced by a born-again Christian). During live performances, the band often refused to play their earlier songs with morbid or cynical themes such as "Whiskey Vengeance" and "D.O.A." (their only actual hit).
  • "American Pie" made Don McLean a success and then just as quickly killed his career. McLean got so annoyed that the one song was all anyone ever wanted to hear from him that he began refusing to play it in concert; naturally, attendance dwindled to almost non-existent levels. McLean was also rather irritated at constantly being asked to interpret the song's admittedly obscure lyrics.
  • REM is trying their best to pretend that "Shiny Happy People" does not exist. The song was not included on the group's best-of despite being one of their highest charting hits, and the band never plays the song in concert. Michael Stipe has openly admitted that he hates the song and refuses to discuss it in interviews.
    • "Shiny Happy People" has since finally appeared on an official R.E.M. compilation, albeit their farewell release before retiring, Part Lies, Part Heart, Part Truth, Part Garbage 1982-2011, though the song could be the 'part garbage' part.
    • This one and "The One I Love" are prime examples of fans not quite realizing that they're supposed to be satire.
  • Anton Bruckner composed a symphony that he was so disillusioned with that he didn't see fit to assign it a number, and simply wrote "gilt nicht" ("doesn't count") on the score. It was later known as the Symphony No. 0.
  • Paul McCartney seems to have disowned "Spies Like Us", his Top Ten recording from the film of the same name. The song has not appeared on any of the numerous best-ofs Paul has released. To date, the song's only appearance on a McCartney album of any sort is the CD reissue of Press to Play, one of his rarest and least sought-for albums.
    • This could simply be bad timing. McCartney has yet to release a compilation that includes material past 1984, and "Spies Like Us" came out in 1985.
    • The song also does not appear on the film's soundtrack album (though to be fair, Varèse Sarabande [which specializes in score albums anyway, not song sets] could hardly have been expected to be able to license one of the most famous artists on the planet back in 1985 - or indeed today, Sting and Bryan Adams' presence on the Racing Stripes album notwithstanding).
  • Vanessa Carlton was sick of only being known for the traveling piano in her music video for "A Thousand Miles", so she had the video for "Nolita Fairytale" start with the piano getting destroyed by a passing taxi.
  • While it wasn't commercially successful at first, Weezer's Pinkerton gradually developed a large cult following and is still the favorite album of many of their fans. However, after the band returned from a lengthy hiatus in 2001, Rivers Cuomo took to disowning it due to its Creator Breakdown fueled lyrical content and initial commercial failure, refusing to perform any of the material live, and comparing it to "getting really drunk at a party and spilling your guts in front of everyone and feeling incredibly great and cathartic about it, and then waking up the next morning and realizing what a complete fool you made of yourself". In more recent interviews he seems to have more positive things to say about it though, and a song or two from it will still make setlists.
  • KISS tries to forget the existence of the Concept Album Music from "The Elder". One of the songs was included in the MTV Unplugged by request of the fans. The band tried playing some of the others in recent years... only to discover they had long forgotten the lyrics.
  • Leslie Fish's Star Trek filk "Banned from Argo", about a rowdy Enterprise shore leave, proved very popular over the years both with its original lyrics and with the many, many rewrites others have done to the same tune. At this point, Leslie absolutely will not play it, nor will she abide others playing it or any of the rewrites. On her website, she states that this is her song that she's the least proud of.
  • Petula Clark was not the biggest fan of one of her big American hits, "My Love." She does perform it from time to time at concerts, though, usually as part of a medley of '60s hits or in a different style.
  • Be careful in mentioning "Boom Bang-A-Bang" or "I'm A Tiger" to Lulu.
  • Camille Saint-Saëns thought that his Carnival of the Animals would be so popular that it would make him a one hit wonder and thus ruin his standing as a serious classical musician. He only allowed one movement (The Swan) to be published in his lifetime. He consented for the whole work to be published after his death, and not only did it prove extremely popular, but also gained widespread critical praise for its genius. Today, Saint-Saëns is a classical one hit wonder, known for virtually nothing else (unless you are a classical music aficionado). You probably know at least some of it, even if you think you don't: Many parts of it, particularly The Aquarium movement are now Standard Snippets.
    • Iin 1977 he had a #3 hit in Britain with the organ theme from the final movement of his 3rd Symphony. It was disguised as "If I Had Words" by Scott Fitzgerald and Yvonne Keeley. The song appears, somewhat acoustically modified, over the credits of the film Babe giving it a huge international audience.
    • And "Danse Macabre" is also well known, even to the general audience.
  • Pink Floyd's Atom Heart Mother got to number 1 in the UK album charts and was taken on tour with a full brass section. But, as the 1970s progressed, the band went off the title piece entirely. Their public statements on it (see the Other Wiki) indicate that they consider it badly done, meaningless and pretentious. They have also stated that during that period (between the departure of Syd Barrett and the completion of Meddle) they had no idea of what they were doing or where they were going. Roger Waters has stated that he wouldn't perform it again even for a million pounds. However, it is still quite popular with the fans. David Gilmour's attitude towards the suite has since warmed, and in 2008 he guested on a performance of the suite by a Pink Floyd tribute band, the suite's co-songwriter Ron Geesin and an orchestra.
    • Pink Floyd have also suffered varying levels of this with "Money", the hit single from The Dark Side of the Moon, Roger Waters being most affected. It wasn't for any of the usual reasons, more that it was symptomatic of a major change in the relationship with the fans. Prior to Dark Side of the Moon, the audience would keep quiet during the quiet pieces and applaud at the end. After the huge success of the album, their vastly increased audiences were a lot louder and rowdier, and spent a lot of time shouting requests to play "Money". (This ultimately led to the incident on the Animals tour when Roger Waters spat on a particularly loud and rowdy fan. And the fan liked it.)
    • David Gilmour hated nearly all of 1983's The Final Cut, partly because some of the tracks on that album were rejected songs from The Wall and party because Roger had all but taken over at that point. He liked several of them though, and included 'Fletcher Memorial Home' on their self-picked greatest hits double-album.
  • Air have expressed displeasure with "Pocket Symphony", blaming their work on Charlotte Gainsbourg's debut for taking up all of their creative effort.
  • aha dislikes what is possibly their most well-known song, "Take On Me." Magne Furuholmen stated, "We've done better songs. It's great to be recognized, shame it's 'Take On Me.'"
  • Simple Minds never liked "Don't You Forget About Me." They dislike it even more now. In fact in the original recording Jim Kerr intentionally slurred his vocal in parts because he hated some of the lyrics ("I'll be around, dancin' you know it baby" for instance).
    • In recent years Jim has come to appreciate the song, mainly because he loves the crowd reaction it gets and because he has since rerecorded the song to his liking (For instance the Special Mix by Hu-Mate which appears on Live And Rare).
    • To lesser extent, Simple Minds have never been fond of their debut album, Life In A Day. Because they felt It didn't really capture their sound, coupled with how poorly it charted, they recorded the "Real To Real Cacophony" album very soon after as a way to make up for it. It was even less successful.
  • While "853-5937" was one of Squeeze's biggest U.S. hits, both Chris Difford and Glenn Tilbrook (the band's only constant members and songwriters) hated the song and prevented it from being on any compilations.
  • Heart never wanted to record Robert John "Mutt" Lange's "All I Wanna Do Is Make Love to You," but their record label insisted. It became a major hit, so they played it on that tour, but they have not played it since. Ann Wilson has stated that it grossed her out.
    • In fact, Heart very rarely plays any of their 80s output because of all the pressures the record label put on them to record music they didn't like. The only exceptions are "Alone" and "These Dreams".
  • Jeff Lynne, leader of Electric Light Orchestra, came to detest the music he wrote for the movie Xanadu, due to how the music was used. He seems to have lightened up about it, though, as he covered Xanadu's theme for the compilation album Flashback.
  • Sir Mix-a-Lot, who wrote "Baby Got Back", has admitted to being incredibly annoyed by the song, as he has re-written it at least 3 times for different shows and has virtually eclipsed the rest of his career.
  • Iron Maiden hasn't played any song from No Prayer for the Dying since Bruce Dickinson's departure in 1993, other than "Bring Your Daughter to the Slaughter" (and this one hasn't appeared since 2003!). Likewise, the only track from Fear of the Dark that survived in setlists was the title track (another, "Afraid to Shoot Strangers", was sung by Blaze Bayley during his tenure, and then by Bruce himself in the Maiden England tour).
    • On the subject of Blaze Bayley, you're unlikely to hear many songs from his albums The X Factor or Virtual XI.
    • Steve Harris also despises the first two albums that the band released. They still play songs from them, but that's not to say they won't call it the "Jurassic period" or something else along those lines.
  • Meat Loaf, for over 20 years, refused to perform the song "For Crying Out Loud", even when taking audience requests. In 2003 he sang it on his Live from Melbourne album, introducing it by saying he hadn't wanted to perform it for years, his current band hadn't practiced it, and he was out of practice with it. His reasoning has never been mentioned in any interviews. Also, he refuses to sing "Two Out of Three Ain't Bad" if it's requested, but does sing it when he feels like it.
    • Interestingly, during the Last At Bat UK Tour, he did give an explanation for not usually singing "For Crying Out Loud": He felt that it was Jim Steinman's greatest musical masterpiece, and always felt that when he sang it live that he never did it justice. So perhaps this is more of a inversion of this trope than anything else.
    • For a straighter example, look at the album 'Midnight At The Lost And Found'. The only track from that album that he's ever really played live is the title track, and the album is mostly forgotten by most people anyways.
    • He also has not played anything from 'Bad Attitude' since 1984/5 other than its biggest hit, "Modern Girl," which reappeared on the 1998 Best Of tour before being dropped again. A few songs from 'Blind Before I Stop' (the Title Track and "Masculine") survived for a few years, but neither of those have been performed since at least 1990. Even 'Midnight''s title track hasn't been played since 2003.
  • Singer-songwriter Mandy Moore regrets her teenage Idol Singer years, and has said that she will provide refunds to anyone who bought her first two albums. Her music nowadays is indie folk-pop. Apparently she actually did refund someone's money for the album So Real when they called her bluff on a radio show.
  • Kelly Clarkson has been complaining about the studio including the song "Already Gone" on her album All I Ever Wanted, because the final cut ended up sounding like "Halo" by Beyonce. Both songs were written by the same songwriter (Ryan Tedder) and have the same backing track.
  • David Johansen, lead singer for seminal proto-punk band New York Dolls, recorded the highly popular pop tune "Hot Hot Hot", under the pseudonym "Buster Poindexter". He refers to the song as "the bane of my life"; because of the way that it has so overshadowed all the work he has done before and since, eclipsing an otherwise substantial musical career.
  • Latin singer Ricky Martin hates "Livin' La Vida Loca." Whenever he performs it now, he does it in a different style.
  • Gareth Campesinos!, singer and songwriter for Los Campesinos!! has stated that he despises "We Throw Parties, You Throw Knives" and "You! Me! Dancing!" even though they are respectively the band's biggest (and so far only) hits.
    • He still enjoys performing "You! Me! Dancing!", and especially since he's begun singing the opening verse of Pavement's "Box Elder" during the build up, but the band hasn't played "We Throw Parties, You Throw Knives" in years.
  • God help you if you happen to say the word "Misfits" within earshot of Glenn Danzig. There is a very real possibility of being physically assaulted. Until 2004 that is; these days he sometimes plays mini-Misfits sets with Doyle, unsuccessfully tried to reform the band with Jerry Only, and let the '90s version of the band with Michale Graves open for his own band.
  • "Dance with the Devil" by Cozy Powell. "I only cut "Dance with the Devil" for a laugh, but then it escalated until I felt I was losing credibility..." It led to him quitting music and going into motor racing full time for a few months.
  • Hawkwind (and particularly its writer, vocalist Bob Calvert) never had a problem with their hit single Silver Machine, but a fair bit of ongoing tension arose over Ian "Lemmy" Kilminster (bass, backing vocal) taking over the lead vocal on account of him having the best voice for that particular song.
  • Former Hot Hot Heat member Dustin Hawthorne once said of the band's biggest hit, Middle of Nowhere, "I hate ('Middle of Nowhere') and I wish it was never written. I can't deny that it definitely did something good for our career, for sure. But, to me, it's adult contemporary. And it's kind of funny to me, because I grew up playing punk and here I am playing this jackass-sounding song."
  • The Lemonheads' cover of Simon & Garfunkel's "Mrs Robinson": It was a single due to Executive Meddling and became one of their biggest hits, but even at the time it came out they refused to play it live. They've since done live performances of the entire It's A Shame About Ray album and left it off (though it was technically tacked onto that album as a bonus track to begin with).
  • Ska band Madness really don't like their 6th album Mad Not Mad, with advertisements for their upcoming twentieth anniversary editions of their old albums implying that they're not going to re-release it, instead deciding to re-release the album "The Madness" which only four out of the seven original members actually contributed too.
    • Though in the end, Mad Not Mad was indeed included in the reissue program.
    • They also dislike their single "Sorry" and consider it a mistake.
  • Even though it's one of their biggest hits and the song that got them rolling in the US, Depeche Mode hasn't played "People Are People" live since 1988 because lead songwriter Martin Gore thinks the lyrics are too straightforward.
    • Also, they've renounced "It's Called a Heart" and "What's Your Name?" as the worst songs they ever recorded.
    • Additionally, DM have all but disowned A Broken Frame, their 1982 sophomore effort, which they consider to be the worst album they've ever released. It was the only record not represented on their 2004 remix compilation, and has been completely absent from the band's live sets since 1986, save for an acoustic version of "Leave in Silence", which surfaced at a few shows on their 2006 tour. They've also refused to include their Narm-tacular videos from this era ("The Meaning of Love", "See You", "Leave in Silence") on video releases (though, interestingly, they are available on the band's website).
  • Matthew Good regrets ever writing "Rico". It's often requested at shows, and his animosity towards it is well known, to the point where one of the Matthew Good fan sites sells a shirt with 'RICO' inside the red 'no' symbol. Matt posted a picture of himself wearing the shirt on his Flickr account.
  • One of Oingo Boingo's best-known songs, "Weird Science", (the theme song of the film and TV series of the same name) was actually despised by the band, who rarely (if ever) performed the song live. Supposedly, the song as it appears on the album was an unfinished version; the band was still working on a final composition when record executives misinterpreted their latest take as the official recording.
  • Boy George has shown irritation at the Culture Club song "Do You Really Want to Hurt Me?". With a few exceptions aside, he refuses to perform the song live on his solo shows. (The fact that his legal problems made this song a Hilarious in Hindsight moment for him doesn't help.)
  • Eminem became so sick of "My Name Is" that after a while, he would only play snippets of it at his concerts - often stopping the song to declare that he was sick of it.
    • That probably explains the following lyrics
    I've created a monster
    'Cause nobody wants to see Marshall no more
    They want Shady, I'm chopped liver!
    • In "Not Afraid", the first single from his Recovery album has the lyrics "Let's be honest, that last Relapse CD was "ehhhh" / Perhaps I ran them accents into the ground".
    • Also on Recovery, in "Talkin' 2 Myself", he states that "Those last two albums didn't count / Encore I was on drugs, Relapse I was flushing them out".
  • British band Killing Joke started with a hard-edged sound in the late '70s, but incorporated synthpop and dance music elements through the '80s. This culminated with synthesizer-driven albums "Brighter than 1000 Suns" in 1986, and 1988's Outside the Gate (a highly controversial release, often regarded by fans as a solo project by singer/keyboardist Jaz Coleman). After some down time, the band reformed with a harder than ever before industrial sound. Still performing today, they don't speak of their 1986 or 1988 releases and have reportedly never since performed any of the material from those two albums.
  • Jo O'Meara, formerly of the pop group S Club 7, went through a stage of wanting to be disassociated with the band and its squeaky-clean image, referring to their music as "total crap." Since then, however, she's reunited with former bandmates Bradley and Paul to perform the group's music on tour.
  • Frankie Palmeri of Emmure has said that he thinks that their 2012 album Slave to the Game sucks outside of a few songs.
  • Helloween refuse to play any songs from the albums Pink Bubbles Go Ape and Chameleon, both of which were released after Kai Hansen left the band, but before Michael Weikath got fed up with Michael Kiske and kicked him out of the band. Fortunately, the fans don't want them to play any songs from these albums.
    • Speaking of Kiske, he openly hates metal (despite being one of the most iconic voices of Power Metal) and only produces light acoustic music these days. He will, however, appear as a guest on some power metal albums, particularly for Gamma Ray and Avantasia.
    • Kiske's backlash arguably doesn't apply so much any more, considering he's taken part regularly in a few projects which have been hard rock driven with some power metal roots and Unisonic (a hard rock band which he formed that also includes Kai Hansen) have done covers of Helloween's "I Want Out" and "Future World" live as encores for their sets. That said, his own songwriting is still mostly acoustic music (although his last solo record dates back to 2008, which was before Unisonic were formed).
  • Alice Cooper never performs any of the songs off his 1982 album Zipper Catches Skin or 1983 album DaDa live. Both albums were recorded during a period of particularly heavy alcohol abuse on his part and he allegedly has no memory of making them. It's a shame as there are a couple of gems buried in there.
  • Gerard Way, the frontman of My Chemical Romance has expressed disdain for their first album, and as such, songs from it are rarely played live. He has also stated that he doesn't want to write songs like that anymore because he doesn't want his daughter to perceive him as a "whiny victim."
  • "Weird Al" Yankovic doesn't like his debut album, mainly because it was rushed and recorded in a very short time. He once said he wishes he could go back and re-record it.
    • He also doesn't have strong feelings for "Girls Just Wanna Have Lunch", which he did because the execs were pushing him to do a Cyndi Lauper parody.
  • Sergei Rachmaninoff reportedly hated his Prelude in C sharp minor, as he wrote it when he was just 19 and still finding his voice as a composer, and yet people were constantly requesting it as an encore at his concert performances for the next fifty years. Most casual listeners would probably be surprised to hear that he ended up writing a full set of 24 preludes in all the major and minor keys (with two exceptions - the G minor and G-sharp minor preludes - the C-sharp minor is performed and recorded more often than all of the others put together).
    • Harpo Marx has a story in his autobiography about moving into the apartment next door to Rachmaninoff, being driven crazy by his constant piano practice, and having the management be too much in awe of Rachmaninoff to do anything about it. His solution? Constantly repeat the first four notes of the Prelude in C sharp minor on his harp at maximum volume, and wait for Rachmaninoff to ask for a different apartment because he can't stand to live next to "that mad harpist".
    • In an interview, Rachmaninoff once said that his favorite performance of the C-sharp minor prelude was Duke Ellington's. Fridge Brilliance kicks in when you realize... Duke Ellington never played the C-sharp minor prelude.
  • Tchaikovsky reportedly hated The Nutcracker, which is quite possibly his best known composition.
  • After Lifehouse had a hit with "Hanging by a Moment", it was common at that time for the members of the band to express their anger in interviews about how everyone would leave right after they played that song. Since then, they've had a number of other hits so it didn't happen much longer, but the song is now always near the end of their sets.
  • Charlie Simpson, leader of the British post-hardcore band Fightstar, would like to pretend he was never a member of the boy band Busted. He did make an exception in 2010 to vigorously deny that he would be joining his ex-bandmates for a forthcoming reunion.
  • Outside of some Beethoven covers, Vanilla Fudge isn't too fond of their experimental second album, The Beat Goes On, a project force fed by producer George "Shadow" Morton. Bassist Tim Bogert has even gone so far as calling it "the album that killed the band".
  • Anthony Kiedis, lead vocalist of the Red Hot Chili Peppers doesn't like "The Greeting Song" very much - it only exists because Rick Rubin told him to write a song about girls and cars.
  • Elvis Presley had a well-documented dislike for many of the songs he was required to record during his movie contract (and for most of the films, too). The book "Elvis: The Illustrated Record" quotes him as once saying during a recording session "What can you do with shit like this?" and refusing an audience request to perform "Viva Las Vegas" during one of his Vegas concerts. Indeed, except for a few exceptions, most notably songs from Blue Hawaii such as "Can't Help Falling in Love" and several songs from his 1950s-era films, Presley generally refused to perform movie songs during his live concerts. He also tended to shuffle off most of his '50s hits either in medley form or in very truncated, almost joking fashion ("Hound Dog" being the prime example), though this is less likely due to distaste for them as it was a desire to focus on more current music.
    • Had Elvis been alive when the bootleg album Elvis' Greatest Shit was released, it's unlikely he'd have disapproved of the content.
  • The members of Autopsy had mixed success with the band, so they reformed into Hardcore Punk band Abcess, just as their early material was being Vindicated by History. They were less than pleased when all people wanted to talk to them about was the band they just left, causing them to take shots at their old material.
  • Timo Tolkki expressed in an interview his dislike towards the self-titled album for Stratovarius.
  • David Bowie doesn't think well of 1984's Tonight and especially 1987's Never Let Me Down, which followed in the stylistic footsteps of Let's Dance, his biggest-selling album. Never Let Me Down's supporting Glass Spider Tour turned out to be the only time he performed songs from it live. "Loving the Alien" (Tonight) and "Time Will Crawl" (Never Let Me Down) are apparent exceptions, since the former and a rerecording of the latter made his compilation iSelect; the former also appeared in a stripped-down arrangement on the Reality Tour.
    • His most-analyzed lyrics, "Ashes to Ashes", seem to express discontent with practically all his previous work:
      I've never done good things,
      I've never done bad things,
      I've never done anything from out of the blue ...
    • And then the line that repeats over the coda, "Mama always said / To get things done / You better not mess with Major Tom", also seem to express resentment over the veneration of "Space Oddity" within his oeuvre.
  • Although it was released on an EP, the lead track of which was 'Bad Days', Space's record company sent CDs of their cover of 'We Gotta Get Out Of This Place' to radio stations, and it ended up being the song that featured in a car advert, got played on the radio and on TV, and had a video made for it. The band were not pleased and felt that the record company had manipulated them. 'Dark Clouds' also incurred Creator Backlash, probably because it came out around the time Jamie Murphy was having a nervous breakdown and Tommy Scott had lost his voice, plus Tommy sees it as being 'too wacky'. Before they split up, they played a garage rock version of 'Dark Clouds' at a couple of their gigs.
  • blur, particularly Graham Coxon, are not particularly keen on The Great Escape, the album which served as a rival piece to Oasis' (What's The Story) Morning Glory. Damon Albarn said it was 'messy' and one of what he considered to be the only bad albums Blur had done, and 'Country House' became an embarrassment. It probably doesn't help that the album is associated with the Oasis rivalry and the burgeoning 'lad' culture of the time. Perhaps unsurprisingly, they decided to go in a more lo-fi direction for the follow-up, Blur. (That being said, they did play some songs from it at their more recent comeback gigs, including "Country House".)
  • Lauryn Hill doesn't particularly like her songs anymore, especially the ones from The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill. During performances she often performs unrecognizable remixes that are either sped up too much, too loud, or both.
  • Given his taste for the weird, it's not surprising that Captain Beefheart disowned his 1974 albums Unconditionally Guaranteed and Bluejeans And Moonbeams, his two least experimental albums. While he was no stranger to conventional compositions, he felt that the resulting albums were too conventional.
    • In fact, these albums were blatant sellouts that Beefheart was sure would attract girls and money, but it turned out that the only people who bought them were already fans, who didn't like them. When the albums got bad reviews he suddenly started saying people should return those albums and he'd refund them their money.
  • Jason Martin of Starflyer 59 can't stand to listen to his first album, Silver, anymore.
  • Christina Aguilera has all but forgotten her Bionic album (2010). No tour, two singles....
    • Lotus in 2012 had a similar fate, ONE official single with a video...and nothing since.
  • Despite being a fan favorite, "Runaway" has been called by the band Linkin Park as "their worst song" and the band has even gone so far as to retire the song from their concert sets. Frontman and co-lead singer Chester Bennington has shown disdain for the song "One Step Closer" as well.
  • The Rolling Stones with 1967's Between The Buttons (UK version). One interview has Mick Jagger refer to the album as "rubbish," with the exception of "Backstreet Girl."
  • Bob Seger refuses to re-release most of his early work, which is a pity because a lot of it (including the original studio version of "Turn the Page", from Back in '72) is really good.
  • Fountains of Wayne, the band behind the hit single "Stacy's Mom", have expressed dislike for the song because out of all their songs in all of their albums, the one tongue in cheek song they ever did makes it big. In order to deter attention away from the song, they've stopped, or rarely ever play it live. The fandom tends to agree with them on this notion, arguing that if it weren't for "Stacy's Mom", the band would have made it huge by this point.
    • Prior to "Stacy's Mom", they released a cover of "...Baby One More Time" as a B-Side to a promo single - when it started unexpectedly getting airplay instead of the A-Side, they quickly had the single pulled out of print (though they also put an mp3 of the cover up on their official site to make up for it). They didn't exactly dislike the song, they just thought they were in danger of having their big breakthrough be a novelty cover that they couldn't really follow up. "...Baby One More Time" finally saw official CD release again about seven years later, as part of the B-Side compilation Out Of State Plates
  • The Foo Fighters have resented their fourth album, One by One, which due to its Troubled Production they consider rushed and mostly subpar.
    • Also, Dave Grohl on the band name:
    Dave: If I had taken this career thing seriously, I would have thought of something else, as it's the worst fucking band name in the world.
    • For a very long time, they refused to play "Big Me" live because whenever they did, they'd be pelted with Mentos mints, since the song's video spoofed Mentos commercials, frequently making Dave chastise their audience. They started playing it again after Weezer covered it with great acclaim during their joint "Foozer" tour in 2006.
  • Lita Roza had a UK number one hit in 1953 with "How Much Is That Doggie In The Window", but her Creator Backlash began before she'd even recorded it - she hated the song so much that she would only, and very reluctantly, agree to do one take, and then refused to sing it ever again.
  • Lou Reed was somewhat hesitant to play "Heroin" with the Velvet Underground after some fans told him they'd shot up to the song.
    • Reed was also not fond about how his 1974 solo album, "Sally Can't Dance," turned out, feeling he didn't have much involvement with the production and how the songs were treated. When his record company, RCA, wanted him to make a follow up, he responded by recording and releasing the notorious "Metal Machine Music" album.
  • The members of Christian Rock band Audio Adrenaline, only two or three albums into their career, were rather quick to distance themselves from their first album, going so far as to say they wished they could burn all existing copies of it. They would also collectively groan whenever someone brought up their song "Jesus & the California Kid".
  • Sandie Shaw hated "Puppet On A String" for decades, although it was a massive hit for her in addition to being Britain's first Eurovision winner - she did have less difficulty with the song in another arrangement 40 years later.
    • British Eurovision participants frequently look back on their Eurovision experience with disdain. Lulu, Olivia Newton John and Samantha Janus have all expressed dislike for their Eurovision songs, while Michael Ball has stated he’d “rather stick needles in [his] eyes” than ever do Eurovision again.
  • Hair Metal band Warrant are best known for the song "Cherry Pie". But the late lead singer of the band, Jani Lane, went on record as saying that he hates the song (probably because it was written in the men's room in 15 minutes after the label head called and said they needed a song about sex on the album.
  • Geddy Lee of Rush has been quite critical of the song "Tai Shan" from the Hold Your Fire record. Other songs the band has grown tired of are simply not played live any longer (notably "Closer to the Heart", which has been retired after 20+ years on the setlist because they "got sick of it.")
  • John Stainer is mostly remembered for his oratorio The Crucifixion, especially the chorus God So Loved the World. Towards the end of his life he came to dislike both.
  • Max Bruch came to despise the Scots Rhapsody (nicknamed by violinists the 'scratch rapidy')
  • Even at the time of its release, Ozzy Osbourne made no bones about publicly disliking Speak of the Devil, since he had only done it because his contract required a double live album that would include a lot of his Sabbath classics (and perhaps also because most of it came from shows recorded when Brad Gillis of Night Ranger was filling in after Randy Rhoads' untimely death, which had left Ozzy in a lousy mood that doubtless led to even greater self-medication on his part than usual). His versions actually blew away those his former bandmates had cut on Live Evil, but since it went out of print in 2002 he has not seen fit to allow its re-release in any form, nor does he even include it in his official discography on his website.
  • At one show of his, Eric Burdon began the arpeggios of "House of the Rising Sun" to great audience applause. After it died down, he turned to the mike and shouted "I hate this fucking song!" Which didn't stop him from doing an inspired, passionate rendition of it.
  • Doris Day called "Que Sera Sera", "a forgettable children's song."
  • The Pixies rarely play "Here Comes Your Man," arguably their most commercial song, at concerts, and declined an invitation to perform it on The Arsenio Hall Show, only agreeing to perform if they were allowed to play the decidedly more abrasive "Tame."
  • Andrew McMahon of Jacks Mannequin and Something Corporate hates performing the nearly 10-minute long ballad "Konstantine" but obliges because it's the song that gets the greatest fan reaction during his shows.
  • Twisted Sister have unofficially written Love Is For Suckers out of their discography. Released in 1987, the album was originally meant to be a solo record for singer Dee Snider, with backup from friends in other bands, but the label insisted it be a full-on Twisted Sister album. The other members of Twisted Sister aren't actually playing on the album, but they did play a few songs in the subsequent tour. However, the situation led to the band disbanding afterward, and they never played those songs again upon their 2001 reunion.
  • Cracked presents "5 Iconic Songs Despised by the People Who Created Them", which describes some of the above examples in detail.
  • Michael Jackson never listened to his own songs. In interviews he said he preferred listening to classical music or Disney songs.
  • Frank Zappa resented the fad that was created around his Black Sheep Hit "Valley Girl" and never released it on single, nor performed it live. It's only available on his album "Ship Arriving To Late To Save A Drowning Witch" (1982).
    • Not exactly a creator backlash, as a co-creator backlash, but Zappa never re-released "An Evening With Wild Man Fischer" (1968), a LP he produced for singer Wild Man Fischer. Fischer suffered from paranoid schizophrenia and shortly after the release of his debut record he threw an object at Zappa's baby daughter. He missed, but Zappa terminated their friendship there and then. To this day this record is not even available on CD!
  • Metallica has openly admitted to not much liking ...And Justice For All, feeling they (especially Kirk Hammett) were trying too hard to be taken seriously as musicians (both musically and lyrically) with the album. This was one of the reasons why the band opted for a lighter and more radio-friendly style during The Nineties and also why only one song (the ironically titled "One") is frequently played live.
    • James Hetfield also regrets the band's fashion choices during the Load years, feeling they were trying too hard to look like U2. He also dislikes the cover art for the two Load albums.
    • The band also has plenty of regret for St. Anger, although they felt that channeling the Creator Breakdown into that album helped them stay together afterwards instead of breaking up.
  • Dave Mustaine of Megadeth openly dislikes the album Risk, often saying that the album was entirely the result of Executive Meddling. Fortunately for him, most of his fans are in complete agreement.
    • He's also criticized Youthanasia, stating that he didn't like the production and the way some of the songs were written (ie. some of its faster songs should've been slower, some of its slower songs should've been faster, etc.). Actually, Mustaine seems averse to pretty much everything between "Countdown To Extinction" and "The System Has Failed."
  • Bruno Mars claimed in a podcast that he hates 'The Lazy Song', he's ashamed that he wrote it, and he won't be performing it live anytime soon.
  • Imani Coppola is not a fan of probably her biggest hit, "Legend of a Cowgirl", though it's mostly due to troubles she had with her label regarding the song. She supposedly hasn't performed it live since 1998.
  • If you talk to Hank Williams III, do not ever mention his debut album Risin' Outlaw. He's stated in interviews he can stand one or two songs on it and that's it. He considers his real debut to be Lovesick, Broke & Driftin'.
  • The dislike many people have for Hayden Panettiere's ill-fated 2008 pop single "Wake Up Call" is shared by Panettiere herself - especially when she realized the similarity between it and Paris Hilton's "Stars Are Blind."
  • Early in his career, George Jones recorded a couple rockabilly sides as "Thumper Jones". According to an interview with Billboard in 2006, he called the songs "a bunch of shit".
  • Christoph Schneider of Rammstein made it clear in an interview that he finds "Pussy" to be "completely stupid".
  • Mike Doughty has kind of a complicated relationship with his Soul Coughing material: Essentially, he doesn't have anything against the songs themselves, but generally dislikes the original recordings, both because he envisioned many of the songs entirely differently, and because of bad memories of a toxic relationship with his bandmates. However, he regularly includes versions of Soul Coughing songs in his solo performances, and has rearranged thirteen of the songs more to his liking on his album Circles, Super Bon Bon...note .
  • When promoting her New Sound Album Bangerz in 2013, Miley Cyrus claimed that she felt "embarrassed by and disconnected to her previous albums, doesn't even recognize the person who recorded Can't Be Tamed in 2010, and wished she could erase all her older music on iTunes. She also felt that with the album, released on new label RCA under a different management team, she felt she was starting from scratch as a "new artist".
  • Slayer has openly admitted to being unhappy with how the first two Paul Bostaph albums (Divine Intervention and Diabolus In Musica) turned out. The former suffered from poor production and relatively stale songwriting, while the latter saw the band implementing significant Nu Metal elements into their music in order to keep up with the times, only for Nu Metal to significantly decline in popularity a few years later.
  • The members of Genesis seem to dislike ...And Then There Were Three... as an album, feeling there were few "magical" moments on it aside from "Follow You Follow Me". Mike Rutherford also feels dissatisfied with his first attempts at lead guitar on the album, at least where Tony Banks' songs were concerned, as he was merely playing back exactly what Tony wanted him to play rather than bringing more of himself into his playing.
  • James Malone doesn't like United in Regret or Starve for the Devil very much at all, and the band has not played anything from those albums live in quite a bit. He views the former as uninspired and poorly-produced and views the lyrics as being highly immature and loaded with Wangst, while he views the latter as being even more uninspired to the point of being half-assed and also hates being reminded of the Creator Breakdown he was going through at the time it was being written.
  • During an appearance on Saturday Night Live, musician Drake said he apologizes for being the one who coined the term YOLO ("You Only Live Once"), a phrase that was considered annoying to a good number of people due to its sheer overuse on places like Twitter. Drake himself makes mention of this by saying "I didn't know your annoying friends and coworkers would use it so much."
  • Avicii released a video mentioning how sick he is of people playing his club hit "Levels" and that he wants everyone to appreciate the other songs that he made.
  • Godflesh frontman Justin K. Broadrick is not particularly fond of the band's 1999 effort Us and Them, calling it an "identity crisis" which heavily deviated from their usual sound. No songs from the album have been performed live since the year it was released.
  • Rihanna dislikes "Pon de Replay" almost as much as she (apparently) dislikes clothes.
  • Natalie Maines of Dixie Chicks said on Twitter said that she hates the band's first #1 hit, "There's Your Trouble".
  • Yes have come to hate their album Union, partially out of its painful origin (the semi-forced merger of the "official" Yes and the splinter group Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe) and partially due to the extremely severe Executive Meddling. Meddling that included replacing parts recorded by band members with studio musicians and including demos that were intended to be re-recorded. With the occasional exception of "Lift Me Up" or "Saving My Heart", the band never plays anything from Union or even mentions it other than to criticize it.note 
  • Roger Hodgson of Supertramp denounced his last studio album with the band, "Famous Last Words", saying that the album was a last-ditch attempt at resuscitating the band after the success of Breakfast In America and felt the magic had gone out of the band by then. He also criticized the album's over-slick production and lack of spontaneity.
    • Hodgson has also disowned his 1987 solo album, Hai Hai, an attempt to update his sound with 1980's synthesizers and production along with top-drawer Los Angeles studio musicians to get commercial success as his management left him and he felt the need to make his presence known outside the Supertramp brand name. A week after he released the album, he fell from a hammock, injuring both his wrists. The album flopped, due to Hodgson's injury, mixed-to-poor reviews and the fact he did not (or could not) tour behind the album. He was told by doctors he wouldn't be able to play music again, and he was dropped by his record label and then-current management. Therapy and rehabilation led to Hodgson returning to live and studio work by the late-1990's. (He still performs his songs from FLA and Hai Hai live.)


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