Music: Insane Clown Posse
ICPnote as presenters. After this pic was taken they ran off with the award...
- Golden Goldies (Joe Bruce, Joey Utsler, Mike E. Clark)
- Dark Lotus (Violent J, Shaggy 2 Dope)
- Psychopathic Rydas (Joe Bruce, Joey Utsler)
- Soopa Villainz (Joe Bruce, Joey Utsler)
- Zug Izland (initially formed by Joe Bruce, who dropped out because his singing style was considered to be unimpressive)
: Mr. 2 Dope, perhaps you'd care to read for the ladies and gentlemen of the jury the lyrics from your popular song 'Blacken Your Eyes'? Shaggy 2 Dope
: Ahem... Filled your head with lead, because I want you dead. Girly girly bitch, you... freaky, freaky bitch. George Lowe
: What could be offensive about that? Frylock
) George Lowe
: I mean, that's deplorable! Your songs drove my client's roommate to kill himself! Violent J
: Allow me to interject, please. We at Insane Clown Posse are very, very active in the community. We work with a number of local charities. Shaggy 2 Dope
: Yeah, like, we read to dead people.
(flashback showing them rapping a book title "Sammy the Gerbil & His Hoppin' Adventure" to a dead patient in a hospital
)note Shaggy 2 Dope
: We also spit fire.
(they do so
) George Lowe
: No further questions.
—Aqua Teen Hunger Force
Consisting primarily of two people, Violent J (Joseph Bruce) and Shaggy 2 Dope (Joseph Utsler), Insane Clown Posse are a Hip Hop
group and Professional Wrestling
tag team from Detroit
, and the cofounders of the independent record label, Psychopathic Records
. Their music is generally placed in the "Horrorcore
" category, and is focused heavily around Circus of Fear
elements. They're also occasionally subject to Fan Dumb
. Of course, some of their detractors aren't much better
, either. Fans that are not Fan Dumb
prefer to be called Juggalos
, but since some of their Fan Dumb
call themselves this as well, their Hate Dumb
tends to lump all their fans together.
ICP originally formed as a Gangsta Rap
group called "Inner City Posse", derived from the name of a Detroit gang formed by Bruce. The music group's increasing popularity resulted in the gang becoming the target of growing violence, leading its members to abandon gang life and adopt a Geto Boys
-esque horror rap style. The success of a former clown painted hype man and a dream Bruce had involving a clown running around in Delraynote
, led the group to adopt the name Insane Clown Posse.
After releasing an album, Carnival of Carnage
, original member John Kickjazz quit the group, and ICP became a duo. The release of the EP Beverly Kills 50187
and album Ringmaster
gained ICP an increasing group of dedicated followers. The larger distribution of Riddle Box
and The Great Milenko
increased awareness of ICP, turning the group into one of the biggest underground rap acts in the country. During this time, a feud was started between ICP and fellow Detroit rapper Eminem
, which has since died down.
ICP have also been the subject of a number of parodies, including a music video parody on Saturday Night Live
. Their albums The Amazing Jeckel Brothers
, Bang! Pow! Boom!
, and The Mighty Death Pop!
have all peaked at #4 on the Billboard 200
They produced two movies, Big Money Hustlas
(an exploitation parody) and Big Money Rustlas
(a Western parody).
ICP have also been active in the world of Professional Wrestling
; they have wrestled for both WWE
in the past, and currently run their own promotion, JCW (alternately, Juggalo Championship Wrestling or Juggalo Championshit Wrestling
- Violent J
- Shaggy 2 Dope
- Producer Mike E. Clark is often called "the third member of ICP" by J and Shaggy, who credit him as being a major part of the band's sound, although they briefly had a falling out with Clark and have worked with other producers as a result.
- Before Mike E. Clark, they actually did have two different third members of the group. The first one, Shaggy's brother John Kickjazz, left before Carnival of Carnage was released due to him not really getting into the whole clown business and it feeling like it was taking too much of his life away (although he can still be heard in a few songs there). The second one, Greez-E, left after their first EP Beverly Kills 50187 was released due to things not really working out, since he only did one song there.
- Not widely noted, but Rich Murrel (better known as Legz Diamond) is the unofficial "fourth member" of ICP. He does a lot of the guitar work and background vocals on their albums, and is unrecognizable in costume as part of ICP's live shows.
- Carnival of Carnage (1992)
- Ringmaster (1994)
- Riddle Box (1995)
- The Great Milenko (1997)
- The Amazing Jeckel Brothers (1999)
- Bizzar/Bizaar (two albums with a shared theme but different songs) (2000)
- The Wraith: Shangri-La (2002)
- Hell's Pit (2004)
- The Tempest (2007)
- Bang! Pow! Boom! (2009)
- The Mighty Death Pop! (Smothered, Covered, & Chunked/Freaky Tales/Mike E. Clark's Extra Pop Emporium)note (2012)
- The Missing Link: Lost & The Missing Link: Found (2015)
This group and its works are related to the following tropes:
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The band members themselves/live performance
- Arch-Enemy: Eminem, Kid Rocknote , the mainstream and critics.
- Evil Sounds Deep: Averted; Shaggy 2 Dope has the higher voice, but plays the more evil role.
- Fat and Skinny: Further on in ICP's career, Violent J gained some weight, thus fulfilling the role as the fat one, while Shaggy remains skinny.
- Food Fight: Countless gallons of Faygo soda are sprayed into the crowd during ICP's live shows.
- Long Runner Lineup: Since 1994, the group members have consisted solely of Violent J and Shaggy 2 Dope. Impressively, this group has been around for over 20 years.
- Mean Clown Personas, Nice Rappers: Violent J and Shaggy are well-known for portraying bloodthirsty Monster Clown characters, but in reality they're actually very nice to their fans and donate to and promote charities and fundraisers to help the poor(see their Awesome page for more details on that). They also love their moms very much and, if certain videos are anything to go by, absolutely adore their children.
- The Merch: ICP and Psychopathic are known for this.
- Monster Clown: Their image is based on this, though they're more Heroic Comedic Sociopath Clowns.
- No Such Thing as Bad Publicity: Invoked, with "Miracles". note
- Stout Strength: Violent J. On the occasions he wrestles, one of the moves he uses is a gorilla press slam to samoan drop. That involves shoulder pressing another person above his head. Even though the "opponent" is cooperating, that's no easy feat.
- White Gangbangers: Both members of ICP were this in real life, in their gang the Inner City Posse, which was also the original name of their rap group, before it was changed to Insane Clown Posse, with added fantasy themes.
Media and fandom
- Howard Stern: One of ICP's biggest supporters. He was initially skeptical of the duo during their first appearance on his radio show, but they impressed him enough that they were repeatedly brought back to the show, both due to the entertainment value, and because Stern highly respected their independence.
- Juggalo: They're the creators of this fanbase.
- Rockumentary: Shockumentary is this.
- Updated Re-release: Bang Pow Boom: Nuclear Edition, a three-disc set. The first disc is the original album, with the three separate Track Twos from the three original versions blended into one song; the second disc contains all three "hidden tracks" from the originals and three unreleased tracks; the third is a DVD.
- And there's a box set of the first "deck" of Joker's Cards on the way, with bonus material and remastered versions of each "Card" (from Carnival of Carnage to The Wraith).
- Acrofatic: J can perform a moonsault, pretty impressive for a near three hundred pounder.
- Anti-Christmas Song: The ICP have two: "Santa Claus is a Fat Bitch" and "Red Christmas" (in the latter, one rapper is killed by Santa while attempting a home invasion and the other is killed by a snowman who wants them to die together in separate verses).
- Anti-Love Song: J and Shaggy don't do Silly Love Songs.
- Arson, Murder, and Jaywalking: The Cover Album Covered, Smothered, & Chunked, included in the "Red" version of The Mighty Death Pop, consists entirely of cover versions of famous songs such as House Of Pain's "Jump Around," AMG's "Bitch Betta Have My Money," Public Enemy's "Night of the Living Baseheads," and... Christina Aguilera's "Beautiful."
- Asshole Victim: The targets of the Dark Carnival are bigots, rich people who exploit others for gain, and other less-than-decent folk.
- Similarly, the killer in "To Catch A Predator" targets pedophiles.
- In "Shooting Stars," J goes to the Grammy Awards to kill Chris Brown for beating up Rihanna because he believes it sends a bad message for Brown to still have a career.
- Attack of the 50-Foot Whatever: Violent J himself in "Growing Again" from "The Tempest" album.
- An Axe to Grind
- Back from the Dead: "12" and "Piggie Pie" are two examples.
- Be Careful What You Wish For: At the beginning of "Growing Again" a young Violent J wishes to be bigger. Guess what happens.
- Things work out pretty well for Violent J in "Blaaam!", when he gets ahold of a magic lamp.
- Boastful Rap: Subverted in that they boast about stuff that no sane person would ever brag about, including that they frequently have sex with women that are physically unattractive, sometimes leaning on repulsively unattractive levels. They also have boastful raps involving supernatural and other unusual elements or which involve acts of violence that go beyond what is even humanly possible.
"I'll pull a big ass beehive out of a tree, drop my drawers and hump it." ("Fearless," from Bizaar
"I'll rip your face off and wipe my ass with it" ("Hocus Pocus," from The Great Milenko)
- Breather Episode: "Hell's Forecast", a dark song about Violent J trapped in his personal hell is immediately followed by "Juggalo Homies", a more lighthearted song about the company of friends.
- Brick Joke: How's this for continuity? The scream from Prince's "Gett Off" that Esham sampled in 1992 for "Dying to Be Down" resurfaced 20 years later in the unlisted outtakes montage at the end of the Cover Album Smothered, Covered, & Chunked, which comes in the "Red" version of The Mighty Death Pop.
- Butterfly of Death and Rebirth: All of ICP's work is "Dedicated to the Butterfly." The CD booklet for The Wraith: Shangri-La includes an explanation from Violent J. When he was around 7 years old, he and his brother Rob found and caught a butterfly and put it in a jar. Despite their well-intended efforts to keep it alive, they found the next morning that it had died. So, they made a vow that when they get to Heaven they will apologize to the butterfly, face to face.
- Calling Your Attacks: "Bang! Pow! Boom!" plays with this trope.
- Canon Discontinuity: The announced Chronicles of the Dark Carnival DVD, which was announced for 2006, was apparently never released.
- Chainsaw GOOD: "Night Of The Chainsaw", also many pictures of Shaggy holding one in the CD booklet for The Wraith: Shangri-La.
- Circus of Fear: The point of the Dark Carnival.
- Cluster F-Bomb: "Fuck The World" holds a record for F-bombs per second and states the fact at the end.
Violent J: "In this song, I say 'fuck' 93 times!" note
- Concept Cycle: The Joker Cards.
- Contemplate Our Navels: "Miracles" is entirely about the little and big things in life that people seem to take for granted.
- Continuity Nod: In several songs.
- Dance Sensation: "Clown Walk"
- Darker and Edgier: The Hell's Pit album, which was to be expected, as the entire album is themed around hell, with many songs describing hell itself, or songs about brutally violent killing sprees, etc.
- Deep South: In "Chicken Huntin'", "Your Rebel Flag", "Red Neck Hoe," "Willy Bubba," "My Axe"
- Disproportionate Retribution: Some of their songs' protagonists carry out what could be considered this.
- Drugs Are Bad: Violent J's real life sister was addicted to drugs at one point, so he, Jumpsteady and Shaggy 2 Dope swore off drugs in RL. Within ICP's lyrics, there are several anti-drug stances in songs like "Halls of Illusions" and "Manic Depressive". Despite this stance, Shaggy later became a big time alcoholic.
- Also, "Rosemary," from The Calm, starts with J saying, "I'm on crack," and, after a whole song where he describes a woman he saw dancing at a club and how he followed her home and killed the guy she was with, ends with "I'm still outside the club and it's all in my head."
- Early Installment Weirdness: Carnival of Carnage, while technically the first Joker's Card, was made before any of the Dark Carnival was thought up, and as such is much closer to a standard gangsta-rap album. And that's assuming you don't count Dog Beats as an ICP album.
- The Eponymous Show: "The Shaggy Show," from The Amazing Jeckel Brothers. Has become an internet video series.
- Even Bad Men Love Their Mamas: "Mom Song".
- Fate Worse Than Death: Double subverted in the track "Echo Side." The first subversion occurs when the fate is shown to be accessed only through death; subverted again when the soul mentioned in the song enters the eponymous location, which is suggested to be 1.7 times more evil than Hell itself.
- Finishing Move: On ICP's first two Juggalo Championshxt Wrestling DVDs, they use a Dudley Death Drop/"3D" which, on Vol. 1, commentator "Diamond Donovan '3D' Douglas" (Violent J) calls the "Deadly Clown Drop."
- For the Evulz
- Fractured Fairy Tale: The ICP completely fracture a tale about the "Three Little Pigs" in the rap song "Piggie Pie", about hunting down "piggies" (crooked/evil/racist cops whose houses are made of wood, bricks, and gold, rather than straw, sticks and bricks) in order to make a "piggie pie".
- God: "The Carnival is God, and may all Juggalos find him!"
- Gorn: It's not uncommon for the duo's victims to be reduced to bloody chunks. Seriously, almost every song at least makes reference to extremely violent things happening.
- Groin Attack: Common method of torture used by the duo.
- Hall of Mirrors: "House of Mirrors"
- Hazardous Water: "Don't go in the water at Fonz Pond!"
- Hollywood Voodoo: In the song Southwest Voodoo followers of the religion are described hurling fireballs, rasing the dead, and turning people's heads into lima beans.
- I Call It "Vera": More like "I Call Him Chuck" in Night of The Chainsaw.
"Cut 'em up, Chuck! (Somebody!) Cut 'em up, Chuck! (Get bloody!)"
- I Did What I Had to Do: From "The Blasta":
"You fucked with the blasta
Till he does what he hasta"
- I Didn't Mean to Kill Him: There is a song with this title on Forgotten Freshness Vols. 1 and 2.
- I Have Many Names: Both of them.
- I Love the Dead: "Cemetery Girl" and "In My Room" are examples of this. Also mentioned in "Dead Body Man".
- "I Want" Song: "I Want My Shit".
- I'm a Humanitarian: "Dead Body Man"
- Kavorka Man: In "The Neden Game" where the duo appear on a dating show... as contestants, and "Boing Boing".
- Lighter and Softer: Many say Bang! Pow! Boom! is this compared to the group's previous works.
- Losing Your Head: In "Headless Boogie", Violent J jumps into a graveyeard and witnesses headless bodies dancing. He gets his own head chopped off and joins in.
- Actually swinging axes and cutting people's heads off happens a LOT in their songs.
- Made of Iron: J in "I Want My Shit" wherein he gets hit by a train and shrugs it off... and that's just in the first minute of a five minute song.
- Measuring the Marigolds: "Miracles".
- Mythology Gag: On "Hellalujah," the evil preacher, simulating speaking in tongues, chants "Lama Namaneumi." This was also the name that they gave Japanese hardcore wrestler Shoji Nakamaki on the StrangleMania tape, which was a bootleg of the IWA Japan King of the Death Match Tournament (featuring Cactus Jack [who would later appear in Big Money Hustlas as "Cactus Sac," his name on StrangleMania] and Terry Funk) that ICP added their own sarcastic commentary onto and released themselves, paving the way for Juggalo Championship Wrestling. While ICP are known for their continuity, this one might just be a coincidence, given the four years in between the IWA Japan King of the Death Match Tournament and the release of The Amazing Jeckel Brothers.
- Names to Run Away From Really Fast: Bang! Pow! Boom! The constant all-consuming living explosion.
- Neoclassical Punk Zydeco Rockabilly: ICP collaborated with Jack White on an "interpretation" of a Mozart canon. The title of said canon? Leck mich im Arsch, i.e. "Lick Me in the Ass".
- New Sound Album: The Dark Carnival doesn't truly enter the picture until Ringmaster.
- No-Holds-Barred Beatdown: Basically "Imma Kill You" is this in song form.
- Obsession Song: "Hate Her To Death":
"I want you off this planet
(I fucking hate her to death)
You don't want me and I just can't stand it"
- Of Corpse He's Alive: "I Found A Body".
- Our Lawyers Advised This Trope: The opening warning on the Psychopathic: The Videos DVD ends,
"Perpetrators may be prosecuted and may face fines...Ya heard?"
- Pædo Hunt: Literally in "To Catch a Predator", though the chorus admits the singer's not doing it for the public's good.
- Political Rap: Occasionally dips into this. Features heavily on their earlier albums, like Carnival of Carnage, Beverly Kills 50187, etc.
- Product Placement: "Juggalo Juice" is pretty much a 3 minute long Faygo commercial, but with the title being what it is everyone probably got off lucky...
- Professional Wrestling: MANY references. Here are just a few.
"Off the dresser with the Yokozuna
splash" ("Hot Sweaty Betty," on Forgotten Freshness Volumes 1 and 2
"What is a Juggalo?
He power bombs
muthafuckas into thumbtacks
People like him until they find out he's unstable
'd ya mama through a coffee table" ("What is a Juggalo," on The Great Milenko
"Watchin' my favorite wrestling pay-per-views
On a 100 foot screen
With the fast forward button
I can fly past the Jobbers
while eating pizza getting fat
What you thinking about?" ("What You Thinkin' About?" on J's solo album Wizard of the Hood
"If I was André the Giant
, 'This is how I would be talking'" ("If," from Bizzar
"One time I was a wrestler, I wrestled the best
I got kicked out though, I had a knife in my spandex
I stabbed Tony Schiavone
the commentator guy
before the match I went to shake his hand but I stabbed him in the eye
I stabbed Norman Smiley
in the middle of a match
he was like "What are you doing?" I said fuckin relax" ("Still Stabbin'", from Bizaar
- "When Vampiro Gets High" (from ''Forgotten Freshness Vol. 3)
- The Great Milenko is a reference to Boris Malenko, a great wrestler from the 1960s and 1970s and father of Dean and Joe Malenko.
- Really 300 Years Old: Violent J according to "I Want My Shit".
- Rearrange the Song: "Hey Vato," on Forgotten Freshness Vols. 1 and 2, was later turned into "Wagon Wagon" on Ringmaster.
- Refuge in Audacity: Every song is built on this to some extent.
- Religion Rant Song: "Hellelujah" is a Type 3 rant against religious con artists that fleece their faithful in the monetary sense.
- Their cover of Willie D's "Guess My Religion" is pretty much the same kind of song that "Hellelujah", but it is more involved with the Church and those who don't practice what they preach for more than one day per week.
- "Where's God" is a mix of each type, but it mostly involves Type 1. Despite how they may still believe in him, they wonder about why God doesn't stop the horrible things that still plague this planet with the innocent getting punished and the evil still surviving, with a mix of why people stop believing in God when they grow up and how the holy leaders say stuff that people already know and collection plate money going to the wrong things.
- The Reveal: Thy Unveiling.
- To summarize, the entire Dark Carnival is an allegory of judgment day; each of the albums starting with Ringmaster referred to a specific judgment within the Carnival in reverse order, beginning with The Wraith, representing death. Shangri-La was a thinly veiled reference to Heaven, and the Carnival itself is representative of God, and almost no one pieced it together until Thy Unveiling.
- Rock Star Song: "Radio Stars".
- Running Gag: The various usage of the number 17.note
- Sad Clown: A few of their songs, notably those on Hell's Pit, particularly "Manic Depressive".
- Also, Shaggy's facepaint is intended to represent a frown (J's is supposed to represent a smile}.
- Sanity Slippage: "Under the Moon".
- Although, when the group has the word insane right there in its name, clearly they are presenting themselves as having gone far beyond this already.
- Satan: "The Witch", according to Hell's Pit; presented in a surprisingly Catholic fashion as being little more than a decent liar.
- Science Is Wrong: If an article with the pair in The Guardian newspaper is anything to go by then they certainly hold this view.
- But the liner notes for their album Bizaar thank scientists among many occupations in the Juggalo world. So it seems to be zigzagged.
- Shout-Out: Other than the ones listed under Professional Wrestling:
- Stalker with a Crush: "Love." Its about a guy who was just released from prison and proceeds to chase after some random girl while he screams about his feelings for her. She understandably gets freaked out and spends the whole song trying to get away from him.
- Stock Parody: They did it on "Wizard of the Hood," with Violent J playing Dorothy Gales, original third member John Kickjazz (Shaggy's brother) playing the Scarecrow, and Shaggy playing both the Tin Man and the Lion.
- The Stoner: Violent J.
- Subliminal Seduction: "Echo Side" has one of the more unusual examples.
- Suicide as Comedy: In the skit after "Piggie Pie" on The Great Milenko: "DO IT! DO IT, FUCKER! BRING ME THE GUN! I'LL FUCKIN' DO IT FOR YA!" BLAM! "Hello?"
- Take That: To just about everyone, including themselves.
- "Fuck the World" becomes ridiculously specific about this, at one point saying "You know the guy that operates the drawbridge in Delray and Jefferson? FUCK HIM!".
- There Is No Kill Like Overkill: "I'll hypnotize you like a vampire, bite your neck and set your head on fire!"
- This Is for Emphasis, Bitch!: "Bitch, I Lied" is a whole song of this. Also used several other times.
- Torture Cellar: Many a song makes reference to these.
- Trademark Favorite Food: Faygo, a budget soft drink brand which originated in Detroit.
- True Companions: "Juggalo Homies" is an ode to this.
- Unusual Euphemism: "Neden" and "Cotton Candy" (vagina).
- Well-Intentioned Extremist: The characters Violent J and Shaggy 2 Dope portray are serial killers who set their sights on racists, the greedy, pedophiles and other Asshole Victims. In real life, ICP themselves aren't as extreme about their hatred of the people who are murdered on their albums.
- When It Rains, It Pours: From "Hell's Forecast":
"Mama told me when it rains it pours
She never mentioned dead bodies, dead bodies
Mama told me when it rains it pours
La dee da, da da dee, la da dee, dead bodies"
- Wife-Basher Basher: The first victim of the "Halls of Illusions" is a wife-beater:
"Back to reality and what you're about
Your wife can't smile, cuz you knocked her teeth out!
And she can't see straight from gettin hit
Cuz you're a fat fuckin drunk piece of shit!
But it's all good! Here! Come have a beer!
I'll break the top off it, and shove it in your ear!
And your death comes wicked, painful and slow
At the hands of Milenko!"
- Word Salad Lyrics: "Scatter Brain" off The Tempest.
I'm the number one contender for a shot at the bible belt,
I swam between piranhas and assaulted a patty melt.
The red planet still remains in orbit,
Leavin' trash piles, cleaned up by A.J. Styles
, me, and J. Giles.
- Your Head Asplode: Often. Almost every album has a song that involves one or more of these.
- From "Hokus Pokus," on The Great Milenko:
"Four cards down, and two more still to drop
And when they do, I get in my car and hit the road
Cuz I don't wanna see your head explode"
- Cover Album: Covered, Smothered, & Chunked, which is a bonus CD in the "Red" version of The Mighty Death Pop!
- Public Medium Ignorance: Despite being rappers, a lot of people seem to think that ICP are a rock or metal band for some reason. A state trooper in the documentary A Family Underground, who hasn't heard ICP's music, thinks that it's "Psychedelic Thrash".
Dedicated to the Butterfly