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openFunny Aneurism Moment?
YMMV.The Restaurant At The End Of The Universe
- "Funny Aneurysm" Moment: The throwaway joke about the population of Golgafrincham being wiped out from a virulent disease contracted by a dirty telephone is a lot less funny in the wake of the 2019-20 novel coronavirus outbreak.
I ask why this is an example as opposed to all the other outbreaks that happened prior.
openAlternative titles
Is there a rule where we can't use tropes alternative names now ? Every Circling Stars Have been replaced by Circling Birdies, I know the later is the main trope name but there are moments where the former term is more fitting. Nothing severe I'm just asking.
openMemetic Loser misused (again)?
- Avatar Kuruk. He was a lazy Avatar who was more interested in flirting with girls, showing off, and playing pai sho than he was being the Avatar. He’d finally started to get serious and then got his wife’s face stolen by Koh and then died himself at the ripe old age of 33. Not helping matters is the fact that he’s Avatar Kyoshi’s, the Memetic Badass of the universe, predecessor. She spends most of her novel cleaning up his messes and even she doesn’t really respect him too much.
- Captain Phasma from the same movie also gets this. Pre-release materials set her up to be a mysterious chrome badass, but in the movie she ended up doing nothing but ordering stormtroopers around before she was easily captured by rebels and thrown down a garbage chute. She ended up being completely upstaged in popularity by Nines, a random stormtrooper who yelled "Traitor!" and beat the shit out of a lightsaber-wielding Finn with nothing but a stun baton. The Last Jedi didn't help her cred much since, after coming back with a vengeance, she got defeated in an anti climactic fight against both Finn and Rose (by using the oldest trick in the book, nonetheless) and seemingly falls to her death.
- Rogue One: Director Krennic. His character arc in the movie can be very accurately summed up as "Krennic gets yelled at by his superiors for two hours" or "Krennic has a very bad day". Even in-universe Darth Vader clearly sees him as an incompetent loser, an opinion rather well supported by Krennic showing up at Vader's home on Mustafar in the middle of the morning to bitch about a coworker (Tarkin).
- The Last Jedi: The MG-100 Star Fortress SF-17 bomber, whose only screentime in the movie has a wing of them getting blown up in the process of destroying a First Order Star Dreadnought; in particular, a single TIE Fighter crashing into one Star Fortress leads to a chain reaction that sends several of them up in flames. As a result, they're seen as worse flying coffins than TIE Fighters.
- Its director himself, Rian Johnson. A popular meme mocking his infamous writing-style is "If Rian Johnson Directed [...]" - where an iconic part from another film abruptly ends in an absurd Anti-Climax/Shocking Swerve.
- Avatar Kuruk. He was a lazy Avatar who was more interested in flirting with girls, showing off, and playing pai sho than he was being the Avatar. He’d finally started to get serious and then got his wife’s face stolen by Koh and then died himself at the ripe old age of 33. Not helping matters is the fact that he’s Avatar Kyoshi’s, the Memetic Badass of the universe, predecessor. She spends most of her novel cleaning up his messes and even she doesn’t really respect him too much.
Memetic Loser is about unfairly exaggerated loser reputations, this is all objective loserdom. Expect for Rain Johnson who's noted to be memetic, but I find applying it to a real life individual suspect of complaining. Cut? Does this trope warrant a cleanup thread yet?
openAffirmative action legacy example of lazy/bad writing
Lately, we’ve been seeing more examples of these, largely because of Executive Meddling, laziness, or creators with an idealogical axe to grind. Should this trope be added to the Bad Writing Index?
openDoes this count as Zero Context Examples?
Every now and then on a Wiki Walk I'll see a place where Rule of Cautious Editing Judgement has been invoked. However, while I understand the point, it seems like it counts as a ZCE. For example, a Broken Base entry that says "Fans are divided on X, and that's all to be said."
An instance is in the YMMV page for Criminal Minds here. For Replacement Scrappy, the entry reads "FBI cadet Ashley Seaver. And that is all we will say about it."
Does this count as instances of ZCE's? Like I said, I get the point, but entries like this don't explain the why.
Edited by iamconstantineopenSelf-Pimping Webcomic
Very new account goliberalart has only been making edits pertaining to the webcomic of the same name. Unsure if this is a problem, but it's certainly noticeable.
openViolation of examples are not general on opinion myopia
So the troper iamnone added this to Opinion Myopia. Isnt this a violation of examples are not general. Also the indentation is bad.
- It's not uncommon for people to assume a movie that underperformed expectations must be terrible, and/or that the small-but-dedicated fans who support it are doing so blindly to a terrible project, and even if the film was an Acclaimed Flop, they insist that critics must have only gave it a passing view due to outside reasons (IE, Political Correctness Gone Mad); after all, surely if the film was good, then it would have made money, right? Ghostbusters (2016) and Birds of Prey (2020) for instance did well with critics and have passionate fans, but ultimately underperformed, and its not uncommon for people who refused to see it to declare its because the movies are bad. Obviously, its not as simple as that, and a film with positive word-of-mouth can still underperform if its struggled with Misaimed Marketing or Uncertain Audience.
- This is especially prevalent among the number of failed franchise reboots from the 2010s, especially ones that tried to be more 'woke', by hiring actors of color or giving women a more substantial role, if not gender flipping the protagonist. Ghostbusters, Men in Black: International, Charlie's Angels (2019) and Terminator Dark Fate for instance all had lukewarm financial reception and their critical scores vary, and has lead to some particularly conservative audiences to start blaming this on their 'wokeness', even leading to the saying "go woke, go broke". These remarks tend to ignore the large number of reboots that failed without being woke, and in some cases were following after instalments that were a Franchise Killer. While its possible to blame their lack of success on their own failings as movies, it ultimately has more to do with the fact a lot of audiences don't like seeing reboots that don't bring back the original cast or misses what was appealing about the original franchise in the first place, and that certain franchises that were once popular just aren't anymore.
- A recent trend among some audiences who strongly dislike a successful film is to insist its success was somehow 'faked'. Films like Captain Marvel and Star Wars: The Last Jedi are popularly hated by certain audiences, and have been met with accusations that Disney (who own and produced both) had instead lied/faked/bribed the numbers to inflate the success of these movies. Of course, this is insane as it would be incredibly financially unwise to do this (as it would then force them to pay tax on the additional money they faked earning, would have to pay bonuses to the people who produced them, and the huge loss of money would be traceable, meaning that people would uncover these fraudulent box offices). In actual fact, what happened was that despite their personal hatred of the movies, general audiences liked them enough to go see them in droves, but the Vocal Minority refuse to believe that they are the minority.
openEdit Warring Videogame
Troper Omega Radiance has been edit warring on the Fire Emblem: Three Houses – The Church of Seiros page. They have added the Properly Paranoid trope entry back after it was removed twice with no attempt at a discussion, simply edit reasons that the entry is valid. Not only is the reasoning awfully thin (Rhea shows no real signs of paranoia, just concern for potential threats), it's about a character controversial for the actions she took to stamp out those threats and the entry is clearly intended to be in defense of the character, saying her actions were justified and for the good of the continent.
openHow to link?
I just joined and I am trying to make a work page for the following fanfic: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13438775/1/King-of-Thrones The Edit page is bare of anything beyond typing. How do I make it so the whole link is just the title? Is there a difference between linking to the source and linking to other tropes on here? (https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Fanfic/KingOfThrones ) nothing right now, but I am trying to create it.
Edited by Jaehaerys-JoestaropenNSFW meme Videogame
Someone added this example of Memetic Mutation to Rhythm Heaven:
"The infamous Rule 34 parody of Fever's Remix 10 (by Minus 8, called "Fever X", if you're curious)."
Googling said meme leads to nothing but pornographic websites... and it's being described in a page about a game where the main target audience is children.
So I have two questions:
1) Does TV Tropes have any rule pertaining to the publicization of NSFW memes on its pages?
2) I want to cut that Rhythm Heaven example. Are there any objections?
openSingular Trope Names, Plural Trope Names
Some time ago I suggested that the then-newly created trope Sea Serpents should be unlaunched and relaunched as Sea Serpent (the discussion). There seems to me no good reason why the trope name should have the plural form, when a single sea serpent is a perfectly good example of the trope.
Troper wingedcatgirl has opposed this with the argument that it does not make a difference, and that we do not have any rules or guidelines about whether trope names should be singular or plural ("There's no compelling reason to pick one over the other".) Also had a pm exchange with Theriocephalus, the creator of Sea Serpents, in which they expressed about the same view.
Tabs observed that the matter has been handled very inconsistently on the wiki, so that some trope names which might as well be plural are singular, and some which might be singular are plural:
The discussion didn't go any further, but the question has been bugging me. Our Administrivia page Naming a Trope says nothing about the matter. In other words: Should we have a rule about whether to chose singular trope names over plural trope names in cases when the plural is not needed?
To recapitulate, I personally feel that trope names should be singular by default unless there is a good reason for them to be plural. Such "good reasons" would be that the trope is about something that usually or exclusively appears in plural, or that the trope name is a pre-established term that is plural, or a pun that only works in plural. But in all cases when the singular form works, the singular should be chosen. This is my suggestion.
openCommenting out Anime
Silverblade2 has commented out everything in Anime.Yu Gi Oh SEVENS and Characters.Yu Gi Oh SEVENS all on the grounds of Speculative Troping, thus blanking out both pages of examples. (The work in question doesn't air until early next month.)
Of the edits I made on both pages, I only added entries based on what's already revealed by official sources, and doesn't involve guesswork.
Can I please get some input from others here?
Edited by Tenma-Yuukiopen Shouldn't One-Mario-Limit be an YMMW entry ?
To me, it should be an YMMV article since it's about audience reactions, when a character. end up so popular in pop culture that their first or last name can't be dissociated from them.
This isn't a writing tool, it cannot be invoked by the author (unless talking about in-universe example, but this isn't what the page was meant for). But it has a "Playing With" page, which I find innaproprate.
openRedundant headings in character sheets
On the subpages of Kaiserreich: Legacy of the Weltkrieg and The New Order Last Days Of Europe, I've just removed a bunch of redundant headings that were located directly under a folder's name and only repeated what the folder name already said, as in: [[folder:X]]
X
In some cases, despite being first-level headings, some of them were placed within folders which are in turn listed under second-level headings.Another troper is insisting that they be added back because the style of redundant headings looks 'better' and 'is more consistent'. What should I do in this case? I find it weird that everything has to be listed twice.
Edited by HTDopenCharacter Derailment?
Questions about these Character Derailment examples.
- Total Drama All-Stars Rewrite does this to Cody due to the authors having an immense hatred for the character. In canon, Cody was indeed a perverted dweeb with hopeless delusions of being a cool ladies man, but despite that, he was also a nice and friendly person who was very much capable of being respectful and gentlemanly when he wanted his beloved to be happy (as was the case when Gwen hooked up with Trent, which he actually helped with making happen). In this story, he has none of his redeeming qualities and is instead depicted as a dirty liar and a selfish jerkass whose aforementioned I Want My Beloved to Be Happy moment was secretly a shallow attempt by him to make Gwen like him even more.
If it's a rewrite, that's Adaptation Personality Change. And how is Derailment different than Ron the Death Eater here?
- Along with mass Flanderization, Seasons 4-9 of SpongeBob SquarePants were hit by this very hard, until Stephen Hillenburg's return to the show:
- Patrick got progressively dumber as the series went on. He goes from average intelligence in the first season to The Ditz in season 2 and 3 to virtually brain-dead in season 4 and onwards. He also became more of a Jerkass on occasion.
- Mr. Krabs goes from greedy and selfish, but still good, to a Jerkass with little to no good qualities who often puts others and himself in danger just to get some cash, and even tortured Plankton until he tried to commit suicide. It doesn't help that he gets away with most of his crimes.
- In the first three seasons, Sandy is a daredevil who is skilled in a variety of sports, including skiing, karate and weightlifting. Then in season 4 she suddenly became a scientist, and much of her characterization and humor started to revolve around her intellect and inventions.
I belive Flanderization is exempt from this trope as it is a gradual change based on existing traits as opposed abrupt and inexplicable. The last part about Mr. Krabs is irrelevant and shows it more about complaining than this trope.
- In My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic, Twilight Sparkle is a kind, moral and intelligent individual who is protective of her friends, to the point where she was willing to hand over godlike power to a malevolent demon so he'd let them go. In the IDW My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic comic, she's possessed of an extremely arbitrary and obstructive morality that she'd do things like not intervene when her friends were getting assaulted, or not intervene when a bunch of thugs were terrorizing a town, or scold her friends when they tear up a legal document that the aforementioned thugs were using to acquire a piece of property despite their blatant campaign of terror against the townsfolk that should get them laughed out of court, or concocting a plan that involves them kidnapping and impersonating the notary to commit fraud so she would have an excuse to use her magic.
- Iron Will during the "Siege of the Crystal Empire" arc. In the show, and previous IDW comic he appeared in, he's a pretty nice guy who left both times on good terms with the mane six and was generally a nice guy, if a tad aggressive. Here he's part of a Legion of Doom dedicated to helping resurrect King Sombra. Even assuming he was unaware of the King Sombra part, other members of the team up include the Changelings and Queen Chrysalis (enemies of state who have tried several times to destroy Equestria), and the plan involves him stealing the Crystal Heart needed to protect the Empire and keep it safe from harm. He does so proudly and openly enjoys doing so.
I'm inclined to agree, but these aren't unexplained (Twilight has the never before mention law against acting, Iron Will wanted to be feared to regain his reputation as an assertiveness teacher). The explanations are poor, contrived, unpopular, and inconsistent with everything else, but it tried to explain it. Since derailment is about unexplained changes insufficiently explained changes seems too subjective and better moved to Fan-Disliked Explanation.
- Twilight Sparkle and the Crystal Heart Spell derails Trixie in great length. Word of God claims the book is canon to the My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic continuity after the season 3 final. However her portayal is rather jarring. In season 1, Trixie was a pretentious magician boasting that she's the greatest magician in all Equestria. At the end she has to flee Ponyville when her exploits are revealed to be made up. It's noteworthy to mention she was also a controversial example of Designated Villain and Unintentionally Sympathetic since many viewers feel like she did nothing wrong before Rainbow Dash started booing to her performance. She comes back in season 3 as an antagonist, we learned that after the event in season one, she became a laughingstock and was unable to go anywhere with her magic show without being laughed out of town. She goes back to Ponyville with a powerful artifact to seek revenge on Twilight. At the very end Trixie realizes her faults and makes peace with Twilight Sparkle. Comes this book, Trixie is again resentful toward Twilight, is described as a bully and teams up with Gilda to replace Applejack's cider with gloopy green gunk for the sake of it.
This would be an example, except it is consistent with her next portrayal on the show of still being a rival with Twilight Sparkle having similarly ignored her realization there, even making ignoring Aesops part of her character. That she had learned it then was speculation that was Jossed. What do we do in the case where "derailments" turn out to be Accidentally-Correct Writing.
I'd say Character Derailment could use a cleanup. But since it's Flame Bait, why do we even allow examples when no other Flame Bait page does? I think they were added before we disallowed Flame Bait examples.
Edited by Ferot_DreadnaughtopenHas Screwy Squirrel been cut or has it not?
OK, there was a forum thread of cutting Screwy Squirrel and merging it with The Prankster, Troll, and The Gadfly, and on JustForFun.Trope Epitaph, it says that Screwy Squirrel was cut, but when I go to the page, it's still up.
openDoes Queen Sectonia count for Animal Motifs? Videogame
Characters.Kirby Villainous Factions has this entry for Sectonia:
- Animal Motifs: Bees and wasps, the latter which she heavily resembles.
Doesn't Animal Motifs require the character to be human, or at least not an animal at all? Isn't Sectonia an anthropomorphic wasp?
Recap.The Fairly Odd Parents has a "tropes associated with this season" bit in each folder. I've never seen a recap page do this before. Delete 'em?