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Questions about quote-based entries on Moments pages

Didn't know if this is the right place to ask this. Anyway, I'm wondering how specific the criteria is for ZCEs on Moments pages; in this case I'm going to go with Funny Moments. I'm aware that most examples that are just quotes would be considered zero-context. However, if a quote is funny on its own, would it still have to be expanded to make it clear? For example, a quote that may be funny on its own would go like:

For me, the proper choice would be to expand it, such as adding "[character] says" before the quote, writing the entry as "[character] claiming that pool aliens stole their Oreos", or adding the character's name in front of the quote to convey that they're saying it. Would the entry still be acceptable as a quote if it was funny out of context, though? I'm guessing no, but feel free to give me an answer.

I also have another question related to this. There are some "quotes" entries that are narration. Take for instance this example from the Funny page for the first Harry Potter book:

The thing with this entry is that it's narration. No one in particular is saying it, and it describes what's happening. Would it be acceptable on its own, or does it need to have context added in any way?

What to do with WebAnimation/HazbinHotel?

As the actual show will be released on Amazon Prime and will eventually have its own page titled and in the namespace WesternAnimation.Hazbin Hotel 2024.

How much of the WebAnimation.Hazbin Hotel (and its subpages) need to be rewritten once the actual show comes out and/or we get enough promo material for it?

Because as it stands, WebAnimation.Hazbin Hotel is basically just a non-canon, test run pilot.

So should the very description be rewritten?

AAE applies to fanworks?

The YMMV page for Webcomic.Bleach Happy To Serve You has this.

• Audience-Alienating Ending: The All Just a Dream Gainax Ending is rather disliked overall, due to not properly concluding any of the existing plotlines like the Love Dodecahedron, and beforehand everything seeming to go out of it's way to try and make the plot align with canon even when it has previously gone Off the Rails, like the Sternritter girls showing up and kidnapping Harribel, or Yamamoto dragging Senna off due to her being a Canon Foreigner.

This is the first time I've seen AAE applied to fanworks, so I have questions if it can/should apply to them. Audience-Alienating Premise disallows fanwork because the objective criteria for AAP don't apply, and while AAE had its objective rule relaxed I wonder it (should) also apply to fanworks given most are obscure/niche enough it may be difficult to judge overall fan reaction to the ending (it it hits the criteria for AAE as opposed just some dislike).

Also, it was originally added under the old name Ending Aversion, so whom added it might not be aware of its rules/it's more than just complaints about the ending.

Videos

I noticed every time I click on the "my videos" filter, and click next, it heads to videos that aren't mine.

No Title

Two users, Twiddler and Mrph 1, have apparently developed the habit of not replying to messages. Could something be done about this?

Just curious

What happened to Landale. I PM'd them hours ago yet I got no response. No joke, I'm genuinely concerned for them considering their last edit was 7 days ago. And yes I know that there's a thread for absent people, but I've decided to post here for the time being.

Edited by ToonAbby

Videos

For Conkers bad fur day videos, think we can add ones from the reloaded version?

An odd addition to DamselInDistress' laconic entry

Damsel in Distress has one somewhat eyebrow-raising addition added in 11 months ago:

A female character or a crossdresser is kidnapped or otherwise in danger and in need of rescue.

The edit reason proclaims "The fourth-to-last paragraph suggests this can apply to crossdressers", which is true, and technically I don't think is out of question for the trope's broad definition, but it's also kind of unnecessary? I don't think there's anything outright wrong with it and I wouldn't want to edit it out on that basis alone, but it's kind of strangely specific, especially if we have Distressed Dude as a male counterpart trope (it's specifically referring to crossdressers, not any trans or otherwise female-identifying characters). I'd kinda assume that examples of a male-identifying crossdresser labelled for a Damsel in Distress situation would probably be closer to a Invoked example due to the trope being treated as Always Female... it's a bit odd.

Any thoughts on how necessary it is to mention, especially for a laconic description?

Problematic Broken Base article

I believe there are severe problems with the Broken Base page for Family Guy.

• The page contains Seasonal Rot examples, which is an entirely different trope.
• Examples about characters, which, again, is a different trope.
• Checking the article's edit history, we can verify that the page was created by a ban evader, who has also written the majority of the examples.

I intend to restore the Broken Base and BBC eexamples that were recently removed from the YMMV page, then send the Broken Base page to the cutlist. Would that be an appropriate course of action?

Other language Tv Tropes.

Do the non-English language versions of TV Tropes still exist? I am not proficient enough in either language I'm learning (French and Spanish) to edit them; I just want to read them.

Edit war and consent for Fridge entry correction Film

The very first entry created for Fridge.Saw X was added by TT Fan, and it initially looked like this:

• Gabriella's death is most likely what inspired John to let Amanda oversee the traps in Saw II. As explained in that film:
  Hoffman: Why do you need Amanda in the game?
  Kramer: To ensure that the rules are followed.

I then changed the "As explained" to The Stinger because the dialogue mentioned Hoffman (who didn't appear in Saw II at all, so I assumed it must have been from this film's Stinger scene):

• Gabriella's death is most likely what inspired John to let Amanda oversee the traps in Saw II. As explained in The Stinger:
  Hoffman: Why do you need Amanda in the game?

Kramer: To ensure that the rules are followed.

Then TTFan changed it back to how they left it before (albeit with some minor changes), starting an Edit War:

• Gabriella's death is most likely what inspired John to let Amanda oversee the events in the Nerve Gas House. As explained in that film:
  Hoffman: Why do you need Amanda in the game?

Kramer: To ensure that the rules are followed.

Thing is, I'd like to get some permission to change the entry again and avoid to continue the Edit War, since I realized that the dialogue was actually from a scene in Saw V. My change would look like this:

• Gabriella's death is most likely what inspired John to let Amanda oversee the events in the Nerve Gas House. As explained in the house's pre-game flashback from Saw V:
  Hoffman: You're assuming this is going to play out the way you want it to.

Kramer: I assume nothing. I anticipate the possibilities and... I let the game play out. Hoffman: Then why do you need Amanda in the game? Kramer: To ensure that the rules are followed. She won't make decisions for anyone. She will just... offer choices.

Just to note, I've also sent a PM to TTFan so they can give their own word about this, since considering the circumstances, I doubt how mods will deal with this (i.e., if they'll suspend TTFan or not).

Edited by Inky100

Character-Specific Page? Videogame

So I noticed that someone recently made a page Metal Sonic under the Sonic pages.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/SonicTheHedgehogMetalSonic

Iirc, I don't think his folder was particularly large enough to be separated, but if nobody else has a problem with it, I'll just leave it alone.

PokecaptorSean... again

Believe me, I don't like what I'm doing, but Pokecaptor Sean is still failing to follow the rules and principles on our game threads:

• Just one to two days ago, his tendency to spitball guesses without looking at the recap caused a round's host to snap at them and refuse to hand them their turn. While it was pretty abrupt on her part, it still shows that Sean's wild guesses are finally taking his toll, and even when he promised to pay attention, he relapsed a few hours later.
• Just now, he went back to giving extra hints at the wrong time, something I had to confront him over again.

He finally admitted to me that the reason he can't follow us is because he's autistic, and I know it is difficult for him, but I just want himto read the room and understand the way we do things in our threads.

Edited by skan123

Troping on-stage personas/personalities is fine on Music pages right?

On Genesis (Band)

I wrote:

• The Stoic: Tony Banks and Steve Hackett both rarely emoted or moved on stage, mainly focusing on their instruments and leaving much of the showmanship to Peter, Mike, or Phil.

This is fine, right? It's not they are that stoic off-stage anyway, just on-stage. Cause on Music pages its stated the creators' lives shouldn't be troped.

Edited by AudioSpeaks2

April fools?

Does TV tropes do April fools things? If so, what will the next one be, And what were the past ones?

Small question

Just to confirm, a work which is fully part of a sub-franchise of a larger franchise doesn't need to be listed on the index in the larger franchise, right? For example, if Superman already indexes Superman II, I wouldn't need to list Superman II on The DCU if I were rewriting it's work list (which I am), with Franchise/Superman already being listed there, for example?

GodIsEvil crowner

There is an active crowner for God Is Evil at the Trope Repair Shop. Please drop into the thread if you're interested!

Edit War?

So on FanPreferredCouple.Marvel Cinematic Universe the following happened:

• Bluemargay 4 added an entry for Kate and Yelena.
• I removed it due to neither having a canon relationship like is required for the trope.
• Bluemargay 4 added a new entry for Kate and Yelena.

They still don't have any Creator preferred relationships as of yet in the MCU like the trope requires. Also is this now an edit War as they discuss re-adding it anywhere.

Edited by Bullman

Unrelated reason for deleting a Moment of Awesome example? Film

On August 25th of this year, TylerFG96 deleted the following Saw III entry from Awesome.Saw, with the edit reason: "Tell me you missed the point of Eric Matthews' arc without telling me you missed the point of Eric Matthews' arc."

• The reveal that Eric Matthews actually escaped the bathroom after the second film by breaking his own foot, and then managed to catch up to Amanda and deliver a brutal Extreme Mêlée Revenge. Even after she gets away, he taunts her by shouting that she's not the real Jigsaw, effectively hitting her Berserk Button.

Even as someone who knows a lot about the Saw series, I'm not really sure how this is supposed to "miss the point of an arc" like Tyler is saying. Sure enough, things go worse for Eric after that moment, but the Awesome pages for the series feature plenty of similar examples citing moments of determination from characters who end failing one way or another, and I can agree this is still a good Awesome example either way, being Eric's Defiant to the End attempt against Amanda (and to a lesser extent, John).

Does anyone else have opinions about this removed example?

Edited by Inky100

Someone copying my edits?

Last year, I made this addition to the WesternAnimation.Dinosaur Train Adventure Island page. Thought nothing about it as I was just making an edit out of the blue.

Well, today out of the blue I noticed that in WesternAnimation.Ready Jet Go Space Camp there is a wick that reads exactly word for word like my edit on the other page. sudrictoon added this wick as part of a larger edit to this page last month. I want to press further, but I don't have the time to check every edit of his within the last 3 months and compare them to other tropers' edits across the wiki.

Does this count as plagiarizing off another troper? I have not made any edits to the Ready Jet Go! Space Camp page during the entirety of the work page's existence.