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About Character Pages Film
I did a reorganization of Characters.Jurassic Park and I currently am trying to figure out if such an endeavor needed approval from other Tropers, It’s such a huge reorganization I thought it needed it.
Potential edit war Film
Hello.
Not sure if this is the correct form to report a potential Edit War - or if its one to begin with. Still, let's try:
In article for Miracle Mile, Fat Pumpkin Rex made an edit that not only doesn't have much bearing with the plot, but it also reads like a natter. I cut it, with a commentary why it is being cut... and FatPumpkinRex put it back, word-for-word, right after that. I've already send him a note asking about it, but so far dead silence.
What now?
Trope misuse in Zack Snyder's Justice League Film
I have two potential cases of trope misuse in Zack Snyder's Justice League. First, we have Advertised Extra, with two examples:
- Jesse Eisenberg is billed amongst the main cast, but is only seen in the Genesis Chamber in the opening credits without a word spoken, and in the Epilogue having a conversation with Deathstroke.
- Henry Cavill reflects this in more of a Small Role, Big Impact way, while Superman and his supporting cast does have some expanded content and is more heavily discussed in earnest prior to his resurrection, much of it is alternate takes of scenes and dialogue in the theatrical version rather than a reinstated subplot (as with Flash and Cyborg).
An Advertised Extra is character or actor who was prominent in advertisements turns out to only have a minor role. While a case can be made that Eisenberg is an AE, I have serious doubts of whether or not Cavill can be considered as such.
Then, there's Adaptational Badass, with the following context: "As a result of many action moments being restored, the heroes come off as more badass in this version (or rather, the 2017 film made them Adaptational Wimps, since the recut version of the film was the originally intended project).
- Diana's fight with Steppenwolf shows her holding her own a bit more. For one, Flash doesn't save her from falling debris and she outright knocks him over when she hits him with her bracelets shockwave. Steppenwolf is even shown having apprehension about facing her before getting to his axe.
- The Flash is more action oriented, taking on Parademons more directly (with a signature "tap with two fingers" attack) and utilizing Flash Step to save people from falling debris. He is also more confident with his powers, with the range and upper limits more fully explored, culminating in him managing to reverse time by a few seconds to save the League and the rest of the Earth from the Unity.
- Batman gets tossed around much less and his role in the Final Battle is made considerably more useful, essentially handling the reduction of Parademon defenses around Steppenwolf's base all on his own.
- Cyborg makes more use of his Arm Cannons, at one point even making an entire city block collapse on Parademons via a barrel roll.
- Aquaman causing Steppenwolf to be Blown Across the Room more often with quindent strikes, even using the quindent to send a water-based shockwave at one point.
- Superman only needs a small puff with zero effort to freeze Steppenwolf's axe, not a sustained Super Breath.
- Even the Parademons, with some of them managing to destroy the Batmobile and stopping the Flash mid-race with plasma cannons. Overall, they come off as more of a threat than they were in the 2017 film.
Both Adaptational Badass and Adaptational Wimp have been constantly misused for years, and the tropes are when a character's effectiveness, agency and contributions to the story are increased/decreased, not just their raw power. This is a superhero movie we're talking about, after all.
So, what do you say?
Questionable YMMV Wording Film
YMMV.Jason And The Argonauts has some complainy entries for Narm and Took the Bad Film Seriously. I don't know if it's accurate or not, but should they be commented out or removed (haven't seen the movie so I can't reword them)?
Troper engaging in edit war, being rude Film
Over at Stuart Saves His Family, Anddrix removed the following example after bringing it up in the ZCE thread and after I said in the thread that it could be removed:
- Uncertain Audience: As Al Franken noted twenty years later:
Al Franken: Somebody wrote a review that said something like, "Watching Stuart Saves His Family go into the multiplexes is like watching a platoon of rookie soldiers head into an ambush. The people who will like this movie won’t go to it, and the people who will go to it won’t like it."
The rationale used to remove it was that it was a ZCE since it relies on a quote to do most of the explaining, and is also used largely to complain.
Another Guy, however, reverted it with the rather rude edit reason:
Said troper later expanded it to this:
- Uncertain Audience: As Al Franken noted in an interview with
Vanity Fair twenty years later about how film's marketing attracted the wrong audience, as noted above in Misblamed:
Al Franken: Somebody wrote a review that said something like, "Watching Stuart Saves His Family go into the multiplexes is like watching a platoon of rookie soldiers head into an ambush. The people who will like this movie won’t go to it, and the people who will go to it won’t like it."
While this entry is slightly better, it still relies on another entry and largely relies on a quote, so I am unsure if it is still a ZCE.
Another Guy also sent me a somewhat rude PM about the edit on top of that.
What should be done here?
Example help requested: films and cukoloris Film
Do you know at least one of the following movies (or the last series well enough to not make the example not general)? Would you be willing to read what a Cukoloris (actually spelled cucoloris) is and discover how it's used in the movie(s)/series you like?
- Alien
- Batman & Robin
- David Lynch's Dune (so Dune (1984))
- Death Machine
- Guardians of the Galaxy
- Swordfish
- Sucker Punch
- Steven Spielberg is fond of using these with underlighting to illuminate a character's face when seeing a reflective object. Particularly noteworthy as an effect used when Indiana Jones is uncovering a golden or glowing idol or artifact.
- Star Trek: The Original Series: Though not exactly "an opaque sheet with holes in it," shadows from devices like these were often used to suggest structural detail that's off camera (and so doesn't have to actually be built). Look in the "overhead" area of the ship's interiors, particularly where a corridor opens onto a larger junction.
and try to expand them. If you do, you may just be able to save a trope from getting cut or merged.
Edited by Piterpicher
Prom Night Film Series Film
So I’m trying to create a film page for the Prom Night Slasher Movie film series but I got redirected to the disambiguation page. Is there any way to launch a page for the films without being redirected to that page?
Edited by k410ren
Page contains non-existant tropes Film
Alright this is a weird one.
Flubber has a few tropes on the page that do not appear to actually exist/ever existed. The tropes in question are "Creating Life Is Unforseen", "Save The Orphanage", and "Water Gun And Balloons".
Should I delete them? Or is there something I don't know about these "tropes"?
Song of the South deletions Film
pino has been deleting entries related to the backlash against Song of the South (many of which just objectively describe decisions related to the film's controversial content) without providing edit reasons. I PM'd them yesterday about this issue, but they have not responded despite actively editing today. I'm concerned this might be a matter of personal agenda, though they have other valid edits.
Examples: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]
DC Extended Universe - Individual Character Pages and where characters are listed in franchises Film
I'm confused. Any reason why characters like Mera got individual pages when there isn't much information. What's the line to be drawn for this. NOTE: The fact that there are alternate universes is not an excuse such as the Knightmare timeline to do this (Knightmare is a big link farm). Yea, there could be a fine line to draw. At the same time, there could be confusion about where an overall character's assignment is. One to be careful of is Swanwick/Manhunter (Listed in US Military as Swanwick for MoS and BvS but under Justice League (as Manhunter) for ZSJL
What is the rule for individual pages and indexing again?
Edited by MasterSon
Where is the psychological thriller "The Owners" page? Film
Anyway we could get a page made for the 2020 film, the Owners, starring Sylvester Mc Coy and Maisie Williams?
Darkseid as an Adaptational Nice Guy Film
In the character page for Apokolips, Darkseid has an entry for Adaptational Nice Guy with the following context:
"If you can believe it! Normally, Darkseid is utterly intolerant of losing, and will often take out his rage on his underlings who failed him. And if not his underlings, then anyone who happens to be nearby. He will also try to get in one last parting shot if he knows he's beaten (see Dan Turpin's fate in Superman: The Animated Series). Not to mention, he also does not tolerate being questioned, even by his advisorsnote . Here, however, when Steppenwolf's severed head is sent through the boomtube and the heroes stare him down, he calmly lets the boomtube close without making a move, and when Desaad seemingly gloats that he told Darkseid that Steppenwolf would fail, Darkseid acknowledges Desaad's words, before simply ordering that an armada be readied instead."
I have to ask: is this really valid? To me, this comes off as Adaptational Pragmatic Villainy or something. This is the same thing that happened when the Superman from the DC Animated Universe was labelled an Adaptational Wimp simply because he wasn't as astronomically powerful as comic book Superman or when the Batman from the DC Extended Universe was labelled an Adaptational Dumbass simply because he wasn't a borderline-omniscient super-genius as comic book Batman. What do you say?
No Title Film
Earlier this year, Vanilla Flare added this to Children's Party at the Palace under Broken Aesop:
Although Burglar Bill claims that every great story needs a great villain, several masterpieces (My Neighbor Totoro and Grave of the Fireflies as good examples) have No Antagonist, which contradicts his Aesop. Whilst it is true that a good story cannot exist without an established conflict, a good story can exist without a "man vs man" conflict. Apparently the storybook characters never seen what Studio Ghibli makes.
It was removed a few days ago for not being an example.
Not long after, Vanilla Flare added it to the YMMV page, this time under Critical Research Failure.
Sorry if this isn't really important...
Mata Nui's character arc Film
Troper Kirby 0189 added Mata Nui's character arc to They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot in the YMMV page of BIONICLE, with the following context:
"Mata Nui's character arc in 2009's The Legend Reborn direct to DVD movie has some interesting potential. Having been betrayed by the leader of a rogue faction of nanomachines who were supposed to help regulate his giant mecha body in part because Mata Nui was too busy exploring the cosmos to figure out how to repair the shattered pieces of Spherus Magna as per his designated purpose by the Great Beings, you would think his crash landing onto an alien Mad Max-like culture and being a Fish out of Water with nothing to his name would have served for some solid character development with him learning to befriend those usually beneath him, which would be especially interesting given that Bara Magna had been set up as the inverse of the Matoran Universe. Instead, Mata Nui is already a Nice Guy and almost immediately finds allies to rather easily unite the tribes against the Skrall, with his former status as a Physical God being used mostly for brief mentions here and there rather than part of his struggle."
I have to ask: is this valid? Mata Nui is the main character and, by definition, he can't be wasted. What do you think?
Strawman Has a Point in Godzilla King of the Monsters 2019 Film
Troper Derv0s B 2 added this to Strawman Has a Point in the YMMV page of Godzilla: King of the Monsters (2019):
"A surprising number of viewers reacted this way to the government's Gotta Kill Em All demands regarding the Titans. Said viewers argue that while the ending proves The Extremist Was Right, with what little the human race knows about the Titans at the film's start, the demand comes off as highly understandable. Of course, this argument ignores the fact that Monarch have already established before the film's start that the Titans are ecologically essential, and that the government are basically getting it into their heads that they somehow know better than the professional Titan experts."
I think the fact that the entry argues with itself disqualifies it for the trope. What do you say?
Voice Actors Film
Halo. I tried multiple times to add his name here; https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/TipsWorksheet but unfortunately, I can't. Any idea of how I can do that?
The Snyder Cut has a UN page because...? Film
UsefulNotes.Zack Snyders Justice League is a UN page dedicated entirely to the history and develop of the film. It seems like misuse of the namespace to have a page entirely about the making of one work, prominent as it may be.
I also brought this up in the UN cleanup but I figured I’d ask here too since the work came out last week.
Possibly over exaggerated example about serious stuff that almost happened Film
So in Vampire's Kiss, I was bother in fact that people over exhausted about the "rape" scene. First of all, yes Peter did try to rape Alva but he stop when he hallucinate Alva as Rachel. Second of all, Alva think she was actually raped but in reality it stopped halfway. So all I was saying is that it was an attempted rape not a full-on rape. So should we fixed the examples or something else?
Edited by Bubblepig
How do I add heartwarming?!?! Film
I’m new here and I have no idea how to add heartwarming or tearjerker to a page. Could one of you explain it to me? Please?
Movie suggestion Film
Has anyone consider adding the tropes for The Owners, starring Maisie Williams?
Edited by SeptimusHeap
Premature edits on Cuties Film
Technomancer02 deleted comments on Cuties asking for people to not to add certain tropes until March 9 and added a section on Overshadowed by Controversy. It's merely a few days early, but I don't think this is the first time he's had issues with that trope.
Edited by thok
Inanimate objects on Character page? Film
Characters.MCU Others has a section with inanimate objects with the infinity stones,the infinity gauntlet, the darkhold and the Lightforce.
MCU: Captain America has the shield and MCU: Thor the hammers...
Is it kosher on this site?
no one know this show T.T Film
I can't find this show. the show is about a girl play esport FPS game and in finals she took a pill that make her see the game in slow-motion and she won but the sideaffect made her sleep for 10 years. she woke up to find the life on earth was gone and people had to survive something I didn't finish it cuz I was in gym but I was watching it on syfy.so any idea?
Big hero 6 and knucklehead and bonehead Film
Hi! I'm new to the TV tropes and I have a question about the movie Big hero 6 so I would like to have an answer about someone who had seen the movie or made Big hero 6 TV tropes. What does this "Verbal Tic: Often calls Hiro "knucklehead" or "bonehead" " on Tadashi's page mean? (English is not my native language). Isn't those insulting/offensive words ("bonehead" and "knucklehead" meaning a "stupid person")? And I have actually seen the movie in English and Tadashi said that: "I hope you learned your lesson, bonehead" when scolding Hiro for Hiro's bot fighting. Was it offensive/insulting? Thank you for an answer.
Sadko Film
I've wondered for years what to do about Film.Sadko, the wiki's page for the 1953 Alexander Ptushko film starring Sergei Stolyarov as the title minstrel from the classic Novgorod epics.
The description acknowledges that the script for the film's early 1960s English dub (scripted by a young Francis Ford Coppola) as The Magic Voyage of Sinbad (the subject of one of my personal favourite Mystery Science Theater 3000 episodes) bears little to no resemblance to the original script for Sadko; all of the names are changed, starting with re-imagining the very Russian Sadko as the very Arabian Sinbad, and several story points are either dropped entirely or mangled by the translation. However, the page takes a very muddled, not to mention snide, approach to this, combining the original and dub names (the hero is referred to throughout as "Sinbadko") when it doesn't just go for nicknames (such as referring to the Maharaja as "Prince Farr" because of his resemblance to Jamie Farr).
The reason I don't know what to do about the page is that the wiki's policy is to use English names where they're available, but in this case, the English script might as well be for a completely different film. However, I have to imagine that's true of countless anime series (what I know about anime wouldn't fill a matchbook, but Macek's name has still crossed my radar), including series that were cobbled together from two or more other series to the point that you could practically see the staples holding them together. And goodness knows which names to use on those pages is often contentious.
So... what to do? Use the names from the dub, even though the story is completely different? Use the names from the original, even though wiki policy is to use English names where they exist? Have separate lists for Sadko and The Magic Voyage of Sinbad?