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Handling tropes about unreleased works? Literature

I am currently editing the page for a five book series, out of which only two have been translated in English (all the others are still in Japanese). As such, I have only added tropes for those two books. However, I have found a number of spoilers for the third through Tumblr - not enough to tell the whole plot, but they warrant a few examples and contain some massive spoilers. Should I add examples for these or should I stick to the translated ones?

Nightmare Fuel Page issues Literature

The Nightmare fuel pages for The Stormlight Archive and the individual books have a lot of issues. Some of them I can just fix, but I think it might be best to merge all four pages into one general one for the series, like we've done with A Song of Ice and Fire. How would I go about removing the three specific pages after putting their content on the main series NF page?

Edited by Libraryseraph

Greek Mythology in Tropes Literature

Default noob here. Just wondering: has anyone ever tried to decompose Greek Mythology (or Roman for that matter) into trope summaries?

Rogue Launch Literature

Parental Fashion Veto appears to have been rogue-launched by Sky Cat 32 without its sponsor's consent. It should probably be sent back to the launch pad, yes?

(Ignore the Literature label — an accident).

Edited by mahidevrans

Disambiguation of work names Literature

I've drafted a page for Isaac Asimov's "The General", part of his Foundation series. However, there's already a page called The General, a series by David Drake and S.M. Stirling.

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Year would be a poor method of disambiguation, but Dr Asimov's story was originally published as "Dead Hand". Would it be acceptable to violate the "most recent name" rule to make it easier to disambiguate between the two work pages? If not, should I disambiguate by formats (Novella vs series)? Should I use different terms to disambiguate (Asimov vs Series)?

Edited by crazysamaritan

Disambiguate a redirect? Literature

I wanted to make redirects for the individual books in The Southern Reach Trilogy. The second book is titled "Authority" and there is a comic book titled "The Authority".

Should the redirect be Authority 2014? Or is just Authority fine since it doesn't have "The" in its title?

Also, the omnibus edition is titled "Area X" even though the series is still known as "The Southern Reach Trilogy". There's already an unrelated Visual Novel titled Area X, so is Area X 2014 even worth a redirect?

Edited by Primis

Series Title Help Literature

I am not very familiar with editing on this website, but I tried making a page for a series I like. Unfortunately, I messed up the title capitalization (made a typo), and now I don't know what to do.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/TheGirlsofVirtue

The title should be "The Girls of Virtue", but I messed up on the "O" of the "of", and now it comes out "The Girlsof Virtue". I have no idea how to fix it. Hopefully this is the right place to be asking this, but is it possible for anyone to change it?

Edited by Fighteer

BeethovenWasAnAlienSpy Vs BeenThereShapedHistory Literature

Where do characters of legend fall between these two? In The Dresden Files, there are characters of other legends, King Arthur being a Knight of the Cross, and Tam Lin being the Winter Knight for a time, come to mind, who were not created by the author but neither are they actual people. At least with Arthur the one used in story is more of the man from the fictions rather than anything based on an actual person.

Unfinished subpages Literature

Characters.Alex Rider was split into multiple subpages, but the creator of the subpages hardly bothered to move content that used to be in the main character page to their appropriate, respective subpages.

I'd fix it myself, but I'm uncertain which goes where as I haven't actively kept up with the series in a long while.

Main character page history

Subpages:

• Protagonists
• Villains
  • Scorpia
• Others

Edited by Tenma-Yuuki

Computer memory hierarchy Literature

The computer memory hierarchy consist of what?

Writing a New Page Literature

Hello,

Basically, my query to you lot is this:

How do I create a new page for a piece of media?

There's this fanfic story that I'd like to create a page for but I don't know how. Could someone please give me some detailed pointers on how to accomplice this?

Thanks a lot!

Edited by SeptimusHeap

Question about Hats and Discards Literature

I am curious about if like a trope can be launched if it has five more Hat. An example would mean that if one proposed trope has 8 and it has 3 discards that would mean it has five and can be launched with no problem and it won't be taken down by the mods?

Categorizing a novel Literature

Vertical Run should be assigned to the Thriller Literature genre, but I can't figure out what I need to put on that page to assign a genre like that.

Who in the bible universe. Is the villian Literature

Is it Jesus. People who believe I. The resurrection might go out and not live the yolo life whatever that is.

From the hero and born villian trope if there is one. And suppose everyone knew the good book who would be the real villian.

I doubt the devil or Satan is really the bad guy.

Unnecessary WhatAnIdiot subpage Literature

Someone recently created WhatAnIdiot.Diary Of A Wimpy Kid. It only contains two examples, where one is a questionable in-universe example and the other looks shoehorned. Should I just send the page to the Cut List?

Deconstructive plot twists in Young adult novels compared to anime novels Literature

I've been reading a lot of YA novels, years later I read them again. Blame it on my now jaded adult mind, but I get frustrated with how much of it actually don't make any sense and how dark it actually is with all the child murders and stuff that's practically slavery. Is there any stories out there that takes that "chosen one" trope and just changes the direction of it?

Like a scenario where the supposed "chosen one" is to eliminate something foul and horrible with a special connection to him. Everyone knows and pushes him, he trains hard, gets mentored by knights and mages, like a stereotypical path of hero's journey. The twist is the prophecy is written in long complicated poem phrase thing in another language with plenty of word play and unnecessary adjectives. If it was translate to the most simplest form, it says that protagonist needs to wash his pile of really moldy and "foul" underwear rotting under his bed for years. There is an evil army and it is stopped but it all happens in the background, and the dark lord actually committed suicide, making the antagonist the "true" savior of story and the real "protagonist". The protagonist never did anything with major implications no matter how hard he tries but instead his small mindless actions is what made the most effect, but it never gets acknowledge since no-one would ever believe something so ridiculous would end up like that, similar a butterfly-effect thing.

I've also started reading the Monogatari series. If I ignore the grammar errors, I really like to how clever it is at twisting the common tropes to something not exactly believable, but even as an adult I can understand the cause, effects and reflect on it. Not to mention how each scenarios connect to the characters in a much deeper way that effects them both physically and mentally without looking cheesy, shallow and as an afterthought. Like the author actually gave a sh*t about of his works.

Is there any novel books that are written like the Monogatari series?

Edited by emaz

Literature Recap Pages Literature

Is it just me or are most of the Recap pages in the Literature section being misused.

Looking through the pages they appear to consist of just lists of the books in the same series, the same lists but with a brief synopsis, or links to pages that contain that contain detailed synopsis of the entire plot but no tropes.

Also if a work has enough tropes that they can be split across pages for individual books; then I have to wonder why they aren't in the literature namespace rather than the recap namespace (such as with the Harry Potter books), as this can create redundancies such as with the The Dresden Files which has both work pages and recap pages troping the individual books.

Chalion Literature

Literature.Chalion is used for a series of fantasy novels by Lois McMaster Bujold.

The series originally had no official overall name, so "Chalion" from the first book's title was being used informally, but lately "The World of the Five Gods" seems to have become the official name — it's being used on the covers of newer books.

Can I just unilaterally migrate it, or should I go through a process in the forums?

Zeerust = Trivia or YMMV? Literature

I'm looking to add examples of Zeerust to Aniara. My question is: shouldn't Zeerust go on the YMMV or Trivia page? I seems like it should, but it doesn't say on the trope page. Or should I list specific subtrope examples instead (e.g. Science Marches On, Master Computer), and which page would they go on?

Need help updating page Literature

I want to add a Word of God to the One Steve Limit/One Degree of Separation on the Holes article: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/Holes

Basically Louis Sachar confirmed on his Facebook page that Sarah Miller and Linda Miller are not related

Proof here: https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=729405447100253&id=113935455313925

However I don't know the proper way to put it on the page, can anyone help?

Character Categorization Literature

I am looking for a specific trope/occurrence in fiction but can't seem to find it. It is when characters are sorted into different groups. This is most common in books.

Examples:

The Sorting Hat in Harry Potter assigns characters to a house. In Divergent, people are Abnegation, Erudite, Dauntless, Amity, or Candor. In The Hunger Games, people hail from 1 of the 12 Districts. In Game of Thrones, characters (often) have a House. In the Percy Jackson books, characters belong to a cabin associated with a Greek God.

This seems to be a pattern in which separate groups exist that characters belong to. Society is organized in a certain way, or perhaps people have a choice. Is there a trope for this? The closest I could find were Planet of Hats and Urban Segregation.

Thanks!

Immortals Fear Death example? Literature

I have a question regarding whether an scene in Chronicles of Chaos about an army of four different immortal factions are all taken aback when faced with a Army of the Dead and either fled or stopped counts as example of this trope, since it's a rather literal example but the point of the narration seems to be that they find death itself a fearful, unnatural or and incomprehensible concept, the text in the book goes likes this:

Yet even they, yet even they were held back by one more terrible still: the great lord whom I will not name, the Unseen One, the Lord of the House of Woe, came forth that day in all his horror, opened the hell-gate, and drove his armies of shadow before him; the dead walked, and the Great Fear was at hand: the dreamlords shrieked and fled like mist; the Fallen spirits cowered, aetherial spear and shield a-tremble in their airy hands; and the cold brains of the war-machines of the Lost would not open fire with their planet-destroying weapons without the support of their allies. Even the deathless Titans of your timeless people, the prelapsarians, were astonished, and they paused, even though they could not be made afraid.

So what do you think? I know this usually goes in the discussion pages, and I opened a one, but no one answered.

Edited by Revival_Zero

Doing Research Literature

Thinking about adding Crichton's Literature.The Andromeda Strain to the existing Trope Main.Doing Research. Good idea or bad idea?

How does The Little Mermaid originally end? Literature

Several example citing The Little Mermaid's story on this site, including on its page, mention that it ends (or originally ended) in the mermaid turning into sea-foam. The "daughters of air" element was added in later. But Wikipedia says that the story was always about the daughters of air.

Which is it? Is this a widespread misconception? I can't find enough information on the original published ending to figure out whether the examples need editing or not.

Edited by Pichu-kun

Domestic na Kanojo page disconnect Literature

The YMMV page for Domestic Girlfriend is disconnected from the series' main page. I'm assuming that it got messed up due to the English name change.