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Cut Shin High School DxD? Literature

Shin High School D×D is simply a continuation of the last arc of High School D×D, so I don't really feel that it needs its own page. After all, A Certain Magical Index doesn't have separate pages for New Testament or Genesis Testament, both of which have a lot more content than Shin at this point.

Requesting a Mod revert. Literature

This is a bit of a weird one that I don't know exactly how to handle it.

This troper: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/el.php?findfor=eeveelutionlover2000 has moved all the fanfiction on https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=FanWorks.WarriorCats to https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=FanficRecs.WarriorCats.

As far as I am aware fanfics with their own pages go into the fanworks page, right?

Trying to avoid an edit war over a Light Novel redirect. Literature

So I noticed that LightNovel.Shin High School DXD (which was cut at the time) was making a ghost wick to LightNovel.High School DXD (which I'm trying to remove wicks for due to the LightNovel/ namespace getting deprecated) so I recreated the page with the text "Ghost wick to LN / High School DXD" and put it back on the cutlist to avoid it from triggering a nonexistent wick again.

The user DinoCam1795 turned it back into a redirect for Literature.Shin High School DXD. While I am aware that corrective edits that adhere to policy/consensus don't count as an edit war, with the page on the cutlist already, I figure that making an ATT about this will solve the issue faster.

Edit: I see that the page in question has now been cut, so problem solved. Feel free to lock this.

Putting back a link without getting into an edit war Literature

In Characters.The Magical Revolution Of The Reincarnated Princess, I put in a link to Creator.Hina Yomiya in this edit as a part of a folder as she voices the character in the folder. In a later edit, Maus hid it in a comment since the folder was a zero-context folder (no tropes in it). In an edit after that, JGC-97 unhid the text, but removed the link to her article despite her having a page on this wiki. I would like to put the link back, but since I was the one who added it in the first place I fear I would get into an edit war. Would it be okay for me to put the link back and link to this ATT in the Edit Reason?

Edit war over image on YMMV page Literature

A couple months ago, I removed an image that had been inserted into the middle of the page on YMMV.The Secret History, since as far as I'm aware that's never done. It turns out that a couple weeks after I removed it, Eievie, who had originally added it, put it back.

Rose Christo Recreation Literature

Rose Christo's page deserves to be remade. Please remake it. She's a published author; her work is just as noteworthy as any other author.

Non-YMMV tropes in YMMV pages Literature

YMMV.Xeelee Sequence has three objective tropes in its page, none of them are audience reaction or proper YMMV items.

• Always a Bigger Fish: The Transcendence would be considered as most franchises' god-like race and even they pale in comparison to the Xeelee, who themselves are losing against the Photino Birds. And even these two near-omnipotents are mere insects to the Monads. This trope also applies to out of universe as well, for the Xeelee series is often considered as the gold-standard of overpowered franchises that eclipses other 'traditionally powerful Sci-Fi franchises' such as Warhammer 40,000, The Culture, Ancient Halo and Gurren Lagann by several orders of magnitude. In fact, the amount of franchises that could stalemate or surpass the Sequence in scale could be counted on one hand.
• Cool of Rule: Part of the reason the Sequence is so awesome is that all of the science is explained, and not just in a Hand Wave.
• Eviler than Thou: The Sequence is pretty infamous especially in versus forums for how atrociously dark and deprave it can get; often making Warhammer 40,000 look extremely PG and tame in comparison.
• Retcon: There's some inconsistencies across the series, mainly between the earlier novels and the Destiny's Children books. Some of it is simply the result of a lot more light being shed on the period between the fall of the Qax and the end of Ring, but (for example) the fact that Xeelee-style FTL drives function as time machines, including the ability to create paradoxes is only revealed in Exultant, when one would have expected it to be mentioned earlier.

While the Retcon and Cool of Rule entry can be moved to Xeelee Sequence (although it seems like Cool of Rule is starved of wicks), the rest look like shoehorns to compare with characters and factions from other works, not with characters and factions in the work itself. With that in mind, would it be alright to move Retcon to the main work page and to delete the rest?

Getting a new works page to show up on its author's creator index. Literature

I just launched The Stars, Like Dust but for the life of me I can't figure out how to get the index for Isaac Asimov to show up on the darn thing!

Repeated Trope Misuse on YMMV/TheVillainessReversesTheHourglas Literature

I’ve been trying to clean up the pages for the Webnovel/Webtoon The Villainess Turns The Hourglass (which is in the wrong directory but that’s a different problem) and one of the editors keeps trying to shoehorn the same entry about the protagonist into different tropes that it does not fit. The character is a Base Breaker but the issues related to why are already well documented in the Base Breaker entry, so this just seems to keep veering into Complaining about a character they don’t like.

The trope text that keeps moving:

• As noted by some readers, Aria herself wasn't a good person in her previous life, and while she was unjustly executed, she's not exactly the case of an innocent persecuted person. After being reborn she's basically a 24 year-old woman in a teenager's body (and later, due to Rapid Aging, in an adult body) getting revenge on a teenage Mielle, who had not yet done anything particularly heinous. Even after realising Mielle was just a child manipulated by her nanny and Isis, Aria still continues to bully and humiliate her. The fact that Mielle herself is revealed to not be a very bright girl makes Aria being duped by someone like her in her previous life, and taking revenge on Mielle in her current life reflect rather badly on her.
  • In fact, several readers pointed out that Mielle herself would be a prime candidate for a Peggy Sue story of her own, where Aria would be considered an outright villain.

So when I first removed it from the page it was listed as Protagonist-Centered Morality, which isn’t YMMV and this text doesn’t meet. Now it’s at Designated Hero, but I’m this case the main character’s not a hero, isn’t described as a hero except by people who she’s concealed her nature from, is honest with herself that her actions are not heroic, and constantly calls herself “the villainess.” Whether she’s a likable Anti-Hero isn’t this trope (and again, that’s already well-written up in Base Breaker.)

I want to remove the text again but I’m concerned about being accused of edit warring. I sent an indicator to the editor about the misuse with this explanation.

Twisted - Same title, but different stories Literature

A few days ago, I was planning on preparing a page for the latest Emily Mc Intire novel, "Twisted". However, I discovered there is another work of literature under the same name but under a different genre (sci-fi, I think) and a different story.

May I ask for advice?

Migrating a works page Literature

Murasakiiro no Qualia has two problems right in its URL: it started off as a novel, and the licensed English title is Qualia the Purple (book and manga). May I move it to Literature/QualiaThePurple and turn the current page into a redirect?

(Sorry if there's a dedicated thread for this.)

Which name to use for this character Literature

In The Scum Villain’s Self-Saving System: Ren Zha Fanpai Zijiu Xitong, the protagonist, originally named Shen Yuan, transmigrates into a character named Shen Qingqiu, and from then on is referred to as Shen Qingqiu, including in his own thoughts. So in the story, he's called Shen Qingqiu like 99% of the time. I've noticed that the article for The Scum Villain’s Self-Saving System: Ren Zha Fanpai Zijiu Xitong uses both names, but Shen Yuan more often than Shen Qingqiu. I feel like it would be better to use Shen Qingqiu by default and only use Shen Yuan when referring to his past life as the novel does. Would it be okay for me to make these changes?

Language and indexing Literature

What are the rules concerning indexing literature from a certain country in a certain language? For instance, the page Dutch Media notes "English-language media from the Netherlands also go here. Media from Belgium or other Dutch-speaking countries are a different category." But then the page Dutch Literature says "An index of literature originally written in Dutch. This includes both works from the Netherlands and Flanders, Belgium." This seems inconsistent.

The reason this has come up for me is that I want to make a page for the recent novel Natural Law, by Solomonica de Winter, and don't know how it would be indexed. De Winter is Dutch, but she wrote the novel in English - with the first edition being published by a Dutch publisher. So what should count: the nationality of the author, the place of publication, or the language it was written in?

Where to link this page? Literature

ContinuityPorn.Fate Strange Fake has not been crosswicked on Continuity Porn, but I'm unsure if it should go under example subpages when its parent medium (literature) is only a folder and if it should instead be linked there or not.

Articles on the Black Lagoon series (except not the anime) Literature

By this, I mean a book series by Mike Thaler about a boy named Hubie (his name isn't revealed for a while), who hallucinates or dreams that his school's faculty members, bullies and even holidays and school events are scary, only to find out they're not as bad as he first thought. It's family friendly, and the body horror is somehow utilized in a family friendly way. Although sometimes it can be perfectly macabre for the early-phasers. For instance, a kid named Freddy Jones gets burned alive in the first book! And one book even says "The rug is red. That's so the blood won't show.", proving Thaler was definitely right about the "Imagination is the most powerful nation" thing. Oh and even the teacher herself gets a dose of the horror in one book lol

I'm just curious to know if it's there in article form. And sorry if it sounds more like a review, I tend to infodump a lot lmao

Odd Stub Page Literature

A Place Of Greater Safety has a lot of tropes... on its character pages. The work page itself has a full description but no trope entries, not even commented-out entries.

What to do here?

Redirect Light Novel to right namespace. Literature

Hi, I created a while ago the page for "Saving 80000 Gold In Another World For My Retirement" (Saving 80000 Gold In Another World For My Retirement) with the Light Novel namepsace. But I forgot that the namespace Light Novel is no longer used and it should be in the Literature namespace instead. Do I need to make a redirect for the right namespace, or it's a thing that only moderators can do? Thanks in advance.

Unilateral image change? Literature

The page image for A Brother's Price looks to have been changed a couple months ago from a fanart (which had been posted with permission) depicting the main character to the book cover, which is apparently inaccurate. The change was made [[here https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Literature.ABrothersPrice#edit34972807]] by Oratel, with the edit reason “ TVT practice is to use official images when applicable, regardless of accuracy.”

The reason seems kosher to me, but I can’t find any discussion of it on Image Pickin’ and there’s no note on the page about it. Is this the kind of change that can be made without a discussion in the forum?

Separate character page for the Weasley family? Literature

I think the Weasley family (Harry Potter) could have their own character page. They have a lot of tropes in common (Red-Headed Hero, Massive Numbered Siblings, Lucky Seven, Hot-Blooded, White Sheep, Quirky Household, Perpetual Poverty, etc.), but they're scattered across different character pages — Ron has his own page, Molly/Arthur/Bill/Charlie are on the Order of the Phoenix members page, Percy is on the Ministry of Magic page, Ginny/Fred/George/Rose are on the Gryffindor characters page, and Muriel/Gideon & Fabian are on the Others page. The majority of the Weasleys seem to be on the Order of the Phoenix characters page because there wasn't another place to put them (yes, they are members of the Order, but I believe they are defined more by being Weasleys than Order members). So, would it be okay if I made a separate page for the Weasleys?