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Myth, religion, folklore and tropes Literature
So I was editing Characters.Book Of Genesis to fix some ZCE issues and the like, and I notice that some content aren't actually from Literature.Book Of Genesis, but from religious traditions and modern interpretations of the book. Not sure how to approach this, but since the page is specifically about the particular book of the bible, should the "external contents" be removed?
Franchise Original Sin for Harry Potter Literature
The Harry Potter saga has acquired enough space to fit its own page for the Franchise Original Sin trope. While some entries are understandable, this one feels kinda odd.
- One of the more common critiques of Crimes of Grindelwald was the titular villain's plan, where he wants To Unmasque the World with the purpose of taking it over and stopping the atrocities of the 1930s-40s. While his imperialist ambitions are undeniably bad, the invoking of Holocaust and Nazi imagery and Grindelwald's legitimate argument about how the Statute of Secrecy ultimately does a lot more harm than good for both Muggles and Wizards ended up striking a chord with a lot of audiences. As a result, it made the "good guys" seem extremely selfish, because when you read between the lines, it acknowledged that wizards could have stopped World War II, the Holocaust, etc., but considered staying isolated and segregated to be more important than saving millions of lives. To an extent, the implication that wizards value their secrecy and privilege over Muggle lives was always there in the original series. Even when Voldemort's supporters were pretty much declaring open season on Muggles during the final two books, none of the good-guy wizards ever considered informing them of the truth despite them finding out what's going on being the best way for Muggles to protect themselvesnote . In fact, the only explanation we ever get for why wizards even maintain The Masquerade in the first place is Hagrid briefly claiming that they don't want to use their magic to solve Muggle problems in the first book. While the apparent moral was pretty ugly, the story never really dwelt much on the relationship between wizards and Muggles, which made it easy to ignore or handwave. Crimes of Grindelwald just made it explicit how far their callous indifference went and made it part of the central conflict, rather than a mere implication. It also didn't help that the 1990s were generally seen as a pretty stable era, which made a noninterventionist policy feel somewhat defensible to readers, while the '30s and '40s (and, adding in Reality Subtext, The New '10s) were not.
What exactly is the complaint here? Is the writer complaining that the wizards (and by extension, Rowling herself) chose not to reveal the existence of the wizarding world, even though that was never on Rowling's plans for the series? I'm no Harry Potter expert, but I'm sure the characters and Rowling have explained plenty of times why revealing the existence of the wizarding world to Muggles would be a bad idea. What should we do about this?
Start a Work page Literature
Ok, hey there everyone. let's cut to the chase. I want to start a page for one of my favorite Light Novel series, Campfire Cooking In Another World With My Absurd Skill. But I'm having a bit of trouble getting started since this is my first time doing something like this.
Could any of you lend me a hand? Thanks.
Potential trope misuse in Harry Potter Literature
A few days ago, I deleted this tropes from Harry Potter's character page:
- Adaptational Jerkass: Downplayed. Harry still saved Cedric from the vines in the Maze but he noticeably hesitated before doing so, something that didn't happen in the books.
- Adaptational Nice Guy: Downplayed, as Harry is still a Nice Guy, but in the books he had No Sympathy for Cho's lingering grief over Cedric and could be insensitive. In the films, they have a smoother relationship, probably also thanks to Cho also becoming nicer in the adaptations.
I deleted them because not only because these tropes are mutually exclusive, they only describe small moments in the movie series and they don't define Harry's entire character in the movie series. Healthyfan89 added them back, saying that "they do fit harry in the adaptation sense. yes, it wasn't too overt so it's downplayed instead of played straight but it's still worth noting given he initially hesitated to save cedric and even admitted to thinking about leaving him (something that didn't cross his mind in the books); plus part of the reason his relationship with cho felled in the books was because of his insensitivity and No Sympathy attitude (with said relationship being more smooth in the films). So, while both are downplayed examples, they still fit."
What should we do about this?
Moving a Useful Notes page Literature
John W. Campbell Award for Best New Writer should be moved to a new title. As explained here
, the John W. Campbell Award has now been renamed as the "Astounding Award for Best New Writer". Hence, the page should be moved to Astounding Award For Best New Writer instead.
Creators on the autism spectrum Literature
While never diagnosed during his life, I wanted to add outsider artist Henry Darger on the list since scholars and psychiatrists both agree that many of his eccentricities line up perfectly with the disorder, with the media even running with it. I feel as though there's enough evidence to support it to not warrant any major debate, but I wanted to see if it a good idea to do so. What do you guys think?
How to submit a fanfic page to an index? Literature
I'm new here. I was told to do this with a fanwork page I created (a HP fanfic) but I don't understand how. The rules/guidelines that I read on here didn't elucidate anything. Can someone please explain to me how it's done?
Which titles to use Literature
I'm planning to start a page for the Agaton Sax series of children's detective novels. (Very popular in Britain and Sweden, decades ago.) The question, though, is whether I should use the English-language titles for the books or the original Swedish ones. Usually the answer would be clear: the English names. However, the English versions are often very different from the Swedish originals.
For instance, the first novel, Agaton Sax and the Big Rig has had a lot of text added, changed or removed in the English translation. Partly in order to make the book more interesting—the author felt that keeping the spirit of the books was more important than creating a perfect English-language copy of the Swedish text, and was more than happy to write new material for the English version if the end result constituted a better novel. Partly, too, since this novel was the first in the series that he wrote and published but the eighth one to be published in English. Since it needed to seem like the eighth one in the series to the British readers, the author inserted mentions of, and appearances by, characters from the previously translated novels, to make sure that it felt like a sequel despite not being one originally.
In other words, when I trope the books (which I have access to in Swedish only), should I refer to the books with their Swedish titles, or with the English titles that refer to what in theory is the English version but in practice is in some cases another novel?
Edited by JamesJames
How to use the "Freemium" trope? Literature
Should it be under the trivia tab or on the main page of a work? Or, since it's Literature and not a video game or referencing a video game, is there a better trope to use?
The context is that the work is free to read online, but people who pay for VIP memberships to the site it's hosted on get early access to chapters/are ad-free/etc. It wouldn't be used as a trope that pertains to the story itself or to storytelling, so I feel like it should be under trivia. However I've seen it on the main page of other works and it isn't on the list of tropes on the main Trivia page.
Question on a title Literature
So Legend Trilogy was created awhile ago back when the series was indeed a trilogy. In 2019, the author though released a final book which turns the series into a tetraology. So uh awkward title. Any ideas on what to do.
Page blanking Literature
The troper Seven Star Swordz
Has blanked the page dream delusion, and reality.
Citing that their friend whose the author told them to delete it. Their friend going off the trope page (Phoenixion) is also edit banned. So if true that would be meat puppetry.
Edited by miraculous
Pac-Man Fever or Retraux? Literature
The Literature.Press Start children's books are about a fictional video game series that's pretty heavily steeped in 80's tropes— 8-bit pixel art, Save the Princess plots, and retro-style systems. It was originally under Pac-Man Fever, but after reading the books all of that felt more deliberately retro than PMF's requirement of being shallow (especially since as the series went on the plots became a bit more complex and many characters are recurring), so I put it under Retraux. PrincessPandaTrope then deleted Retraux and put it back under Pac-Man Fever with a "Still." edit reason.
Can anyone help settle this?
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Literature.PressStart
How do I change a page's title now that the offical release is out Literature
Common Sense of a Duke's Daughter was localized in the United States as Accomplishments of the Duke's Daughter by Seven Seas from which I was introduced to the series from. How do I change the name? I almost thought the series didn't have a trope page when I tried to look for it under its localization name.
Diary of a Wimpy Kid split? Literature
Should Literature.Diary Of A Wimpy Kid be split into pages for each book and film? I don't like how everything is all clumped together and we have to preface every example with "in [book]."
Which section? Literature
I'm working on a page on TLP, and someone posted the following example:
- In the nonfiction book The Other Wes Moore, author Wes Moore describes how despite growing up in a tough Baltimore neighborhood and having a difficult childhood he eventually became a Rhodes scholar and successful businessman. When he was in his twenties he learned of another man named Wes Moore who had grown up blocks from him. That Wes Moore grew up to become a criminal and was serving a life sentence for murder. The book examines how the two started from the same place and ended up so different.
While it's overall very well constructed and I consider it legit, the fact remains it's a nonfiction book. Does it go in the Literature section or the real life section?
Auto erotica troping Literature
We're not allowed to add ymmv tropes to our own works right ?
As ElfenLiedFan90 added an Evil Is Sexy entry to the ymmv page of Dresden's Haunted Forest. Despite being the author.
As you can see here
spoiler tag question Literature
Are the spoiler tags on Adventures of Huckleberry Finn really necessary? It is a one hundred and thirty-five year old book, surely it must be spoilers off?
Disambiguation of work names Literature
I've drafted a page for Isaac Asimov's "The General", part of his Foundation series. However, there's already a page called The General, a series by David Drake and S.M. Stirling.
Year would be a poor method of disambiguation, but Dr Asimov's story was originally published as "Dead Hand". Would it be acceptable to violate the "most recent name" rule to make it easier to disambiguate between the two work pages? If not, should I disambiguate by formats (Novella vs series)? Should I use different terms to disambiguate (Asimov vs Series)?
UPDATE: I'll be launching "The General" within a week. Edited by crazysamaritan
Please ignore. Literature
Please ignore. I posted this the wrong place. As my apology, let me deliver a book recommendation: Bone by Jeff Smith. A wonderful comic for all ages.
Edited by MichaelKatsuro
Conversation in the Page Literature
Jane Eyre has a massive entries-long discussion under Values Dissonance complete with use of the first person. However a lot of the points they bring up about the historical context for it are valid and interesting to note despite clearly violating page etiquette. It's clear that it needs to be completely rewritten. How should we go about doing so?
Page with no existing work Literature
While clicking the Random Media button, I came across the page for Linda. The page has four examples on it, and the description of the work claims that it's a short story hosted on a Google Document. Clicking on the provided link shows that the Document was deleted at some point, and I can't find any other copy of it online. There's no linked account for the author, the history for the page doesn't show who made it in the first place, and only five tropers (including myself at one point last year, to my surprise) have edited the page over the past 8 years.
I would like to ask what's the best course of action for a page like this. Do you cut the whole page, or do you toss it into the Unpublished Works section?
Courtesy link: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Literature.Linda
SimilarlyNamedWorks Literature
I have been working on drafting new pages for Isaac Asimov's Foundation series, and I came across Similarly Named Works in the form of the Razorland Trilogy. A 2012 Short Story within that series was named "Foundation", which overlaps with Dr Asimov's 1942 Short Story, 1951 Novel, and title for the series, which has a live-action adaptation in Development Hell.
I would appreciate feedback on what I should do to future-proof the pages, preventing the need to move the articles to a new page when a fan of Razorland decides to expand the article for their series.
- Isaac Asimov:
- "The Encyclopedists" (with "Foundation (1942)" as a redirect)
- Foundation (1951)
- For the literature franchise; Foundation (Series) or Foundation (Asimov)? Disambiguation by year tends to not work well for series because there's ten books and most weren't originally released within the same decade.
- Ann Aguirre:
- As a redirect to Razorland Trilogy, should it be "Foundation (2012)", "Foundation (Aguirre)", or "Foundation (YA)"?
Horrible lit Literature
I am trying to find a niche that enjoys reading horrible short stories... they are "family friendly", in that I don't use "shock" as a means to make it horrible. I enjoy making the dialogue bad, the plot inconsistent, mis-numbered chapter titles, inconsistent fonts, and use other literary no-nos to make it cringe-worthy.
The pseudonym I use on Amazon is Arsidious the Great Writer. Arsidious is a play off of darth sidious and Absurd.
just thought I would ask...
Edited by zarqnon
When is a Shakespeare quote a ShoutOut? Literature
Lots of Shakespeare's lines are so famous that they constantly get repeated in pop culture. For instance the expression of "wear my heart upon my sleeve" comes from Othello to begin with.
But there's the rub—what counts as a Shout-Out? For instance, the "heart upon sleeve"-thing is just a common expression now, and most people who use it probably don't know that it comes from Othello. The same goes for the phrase "gilding the lily," a misquote from King John.
How do we determine when it's an actual Shout-Out?
Edited by MichaelKatsuro
SONIC HIGH SCHOOL Literature
Im going to create a SONIC HIGH SCHOOL tropes page; before i do so will doing so get me banned? The whole fanfic has been Un-personed from TV tropes everywhere i find it; there were at least 4 pages that once referenced it but they have all been scrubbed. Is there some sort of unseen rule about this fanfic that im not seeing here?