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Who in the bible universe. Is the villian Literature

Is it Jesus. People who believe I. The resurrection might go out and not live the yolo life whatever that is.

From the hero and born villian trope if there is one. And suppose everyone knew the good book who would be the real villian.

I doubt the devil or Satan is really the bad guy.

Unnecessary WhatAnIdiot subpage Literature

Someone recently created WhatAnIdiot.Diary Of A Wimpy Kid. It only contains two examples, where one is a questionable in-universe example and the other looks shoehorned. Should I just send the page to the Cut List?

Deconstructive plot twists in Young adult novels compared to anime novels Literature

I've been reading a lot of YA novels, years later I read them again. Blame it on my now jaded adult mind, but I get frustrated with how much of it actually don't make any sense and how dark it actually is with all the child murders and stuff that's practically slavery. Is there any stories out there that takes that "chosen one" trope and just changes the direction of it?

Like a scenario where the supposed "chosen one" is to eliminate something foul and horrible with a special connection to him. Everyone knows and pushes him, he trains hard, gets mentored by knights and mages, like a stereotypical path of hero's journey. The twist is the prophecy is written in long complicated poem phrase thing in another language with plenty of word play and unnecessary adjectives. If it was translate to the most simplest form, it says that protagonist needs to wash his pile of really moldy and "foul" underwear rotting under his bed for years. There is an evil army and it is stopped but it all happens in the background, and the dark lord actually committed suicide, making the antagonist the "true" savior of story and the real "protagonist". The protagonist never did anything with major implications no matter how hard he tries but instead his small mindless actions is what made the most effect, but it never gets acknowledge since no-one would ever believe something so ridiculous would end up like that, similar a butterfly-effect thing.

I've also started reading the Monogatari series. If I ignore the grammar errors, I really like to how clever it is at twisting the common tropes to something not exactly believable, but even as an adult I can understand the cause, effects and reflect on it. Not to mention how each scenarios connect to the characters in a much deeper way that effects them both physically and mentally without looking cheesy, shallow and as an afterthought. Like the author actually gave a sh*t about of his works.

Is there any novel books that are written like the Monogatari series?

Literature Recap Pages Literature

Is it just me or are most of the Recap pages in the Literature section being misused.

Looking through the pages they appear to consist of just lists of the books in the same series, the same lists but with a brief synopsis, or links to pages that contain that contain detailed synopsis of the entire plot but no tropes.

Also if a work has enough tropes that they can be split across pages for individual books; then I have to wonder why they aren't in the literature namespace rather than the recap namespace (such as with the Harry Potter books), as this can create redundancies such as with the The Dresden Files which has both work pages and recap pages troping the individual books.

Chalion Literature

Literature.Chalion is used for a series of fantasy novels by Lois McMaster Bujold.

The series originally had no official overall name, so "Chalion" from the first book's title was being used informally, but lately "The World of the Five Gods" seems to have become the official name — it's being used on the covers of newer books.

Can I just unilaterally migrate it, or should I go through a process in the forums?

Zeerust = Trivia or YMMV? Literature

I'm looking to add examples of Zeerust to Aniara. My question is: shouldn't Zeerust go on the YMMV or Trivia page? I seems like it should, but it doesn't say on the trope page. Or should I list specific subtrope examples instead (e.g. Science Marches On, Master Computer), and which page would they go on?

Need help updating page Literature

I want to add a Word of God to the One Steve Limit/One Degree of Separation on the Holes article: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/Holes

Basically Louis Sachar confirmed on his Facebook page that Sarah Miller and Linda Miller are not related

Proof here: https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=729405447100253&id=113935455313925

However I don't know the proper way to put it on the page, can anyone help?

Character Categorization Literature

I am looking for a specific trope/occurrence in fiction but can't seem to find it. It is when characters are sorted into different groups. This is most common in books.

Examples:

The Sorting Hat in Harry Potter assigns characters to a house. In Divergent, people are Abnegation, Erudite, Dauntless, Amity, or Candor. In The Hunger Games, people hail from 1 of the 12 Districts. In Game of Thrones, characters (often) have a House. In the Percy Jackson books, characters belong to a cabin associated with a Greek God.

This seems to be a pattern in which separate groups exist that characters belong to. Society is organized in a certain way, or perhaps people have a choice. Is there a trope for this? The closest I could find were Planet of Hats and Urban Segregation.

Thanks!

Immortals Fear Death example? Literature

I have a question regarding whether an scene in Chronicles of Chaos about an army of four different immortal factions are all taken aback when faced with a Army of the Dead and either fled or stopped counts as example of this trope, since it's a rather literal example but the point of the narration seems to be that they find death itself a fearful, unnatural or and incomprehensible concept, the text in the book goes likes this:

Yet even they, yet even they were held back by one more terrible still: the great lord whom I will not name, the Unseen One, the Lord of the House of Woe, came forth that day in all his horror, opened the hell-gate, and drove his armies of shadow before him; the dead walked, and the Great Fear was at hand: the dreamlords shrieked and fled like mist; the Fallen spirits cowered, aetherial spear and shield a-tremble in their airy hands; and the cold brains of the war-machines of the Lost would not open fire with their planet-destroying weapons without the support of their allies. Even the deathless Titans of your timeless people, the prelapsarians, were astonished, and they paused, even though they could not be made afraid.

So what do you think? I know this usually goes in the discussion pages, and I opened a one, but no one answered.

Doing Research Literature

Thinking about adding Crichton's Literature.The Andromeda Strain to the existing Trope Main.Doing Research. Good idea or bad idea?

How does The Little Mermaid originally end? Literature

Several example citing The Little Mermaid's story on this site, including on its page, mention that it ends (or originally ended) in the mermaid turning into sea-foam. The "daughters of air" element was added in later. But Wikipedia says that the story was always about the daughters of air.

Which is it? Is this a widespread misconception? I can't find enough information on the original published ending to figure out whether the examples need editing or not.

Domestic na Kanojo page disconnect Literature

The YMMV page for Domestic Girlfriend is disconnected from the series' main page. I'm assuming that it got messed up due to the English name change.

Is it okay if I recreate Fallen Máni? Literature

I've actually read the book (eh), but the artist appears to be starving. I can add several examples.

How can I recommend a fanfic? Literature

Call me stupid if you want, but i’m just new here. Do you need to use the edit thing? Also, I don’t know what Literature means. Help me.

A trilogy of errors Literature

The Series.North And South US page is at a rather problematic location:

• It has the wrong namespace and wrong title. It should be at Literature.North And South 1982 or Literature.North And South Trilogy. (US/UK disambiguation makes no sense with the two separated by over a century.)
• The current custom title of "North and South (Trilogy)" is a flagrant violation of custom title policy, despite my past attempts to correct it. Regardless of what the page is renamed to, the custom title for the redirect should be changed to fit policy.

If the TV miniseries is split off into its own page, it would be at Series.North And South 1985.

What's in a name? (and a blank page) Literature

Hey everyone.

I wanted to create a fan fiction page for a story that I really enjoyed, and I'm thoroughly looking on the How to Create a Works Page. But for the life of me I can't find a good blank page to write on.

I'm not asking anyone to do this job for me, but where can I find one? Or do I create one by myself.

Thanks.

Hunger Games characters Literature

Does Characters.The Hunger Games really need to be split into the book and movie versions of the characters? Most of the movie characters are similar enough to their book counterparts.

No Title Literature

Luna Mytth created the work page for Wizards Of Once, however literally all the examples they had put on the page were Zero-Context Examples.

I commented the examples out and sent them a notifier, they have since uncommented most of the examples without bothering to expand on them, and the ones they have attempted to expand on are so poorly written that they still don't provide enough context as to how the trope examples apply.

For the same work they also created an unindexed character page containing only brief descriptions of the work's characters and zero tropes. I sent them a notifier but they never responded.

Also the work pages title is wrong, the description on the page says the work is The Wizards of Once not Wizards of Once.

Article's title Literature

I've got a ready page, with trope listing, for The Art of War. No, not THAT The Art of War. The one by Machiavelli. Original title is just that - Art of War.

How the article and by extension - the link - should be titled? Are there any rules for such situations? I'm pretty certain it will lead to a lot of confusion if it's going to be just thrown under The Art Of War.

Can we fix a page's work type? Literature

The Sentou Yousei Yukikaze page is currently classified under the "Franchise" namespace but I highly doubt that should be the case. The source material is a book, and it doesn't have the kind of popular reach to be considered a franchise, I would think. I believe this work needs to be changed to "Literature" instead.

Victoria Literature

A lot of people have brought up the issues with Victoria where the trope page tries very, very, very hard to be 'balanced' about a book that promotes making women and racial/sexual minorities into second class citizens. As has been pointed out, this is disturbing since a page like Twilight reads far more harshly.

Should Catharsis Factor (talking about how much the alt right love this book because they get to watch minorities and women get put in their place) and Values Resonance (which is when a work is ahead of its time and begins to appeal to a group it wasn't originally meant for) really be on a page for a book that promotes stripping rights away from women, ethnic minorities, and gays?

Should book publishers have Creator pages? Literature

I haven't seen any trope pages for the major book publishers. (Random House, Penguin Books, Simon and Schuster, Harper Collins, Macmillan, Little Brown and Company (or Hachette), Scholastic…)

In contrast, record labels, TV/movie studios, comic book publishers, and video game publishers have their own TV Tropes pages.

Of course, there's the question of ancillary rights. A few series and writers have taken their rights to other publishers (or the domestic/international rights owners are different). And that's not counting Public Domain Stories, which can be published by anyone.

Rules on necro-ing forums threads? Literature

So I wanted to post a link that I thought fans of The Culture might enjoy, but the last post on the very brief thread (here) is from eight years ago. It's not a hugely relevant link, so no big deal, but would that kind of thing be discouraged? For future reference.

No official English name Literature

The gamebook series La Saga du Prêtre Jean is under Prester John Saga, despite having a No Export for You example specifying it never was translated to English.

If I'm not mistaken, in this case the original title should be used, hence the French title...