2nd example permission.

I want to add a 2nd example of a trope to a YMMV page, what special permission do I need?

Troper keeps changing images without discussion

~lexii has a history of image changes without starting threads in Image Pickin'.

• This edit for The Crown (2016), ignoring a linked IP thread that reverted that specific image (I sent them a notifier for this one)
• This thread for Femme Fatalons
• This thread for Regal Ringlets
• This thread for The Beautiful Elite

What to name this page?

I'm considering making a page for a Christmas movie called...well, that's the issue at hand here. It has two different names, and not just because of weird localization. This is a movie that technically exist in two forms: One with gay parents for the main character, and one with straight parents. Those two versions have different titles: Too Cool For Christmas and A Very Cool Christmas. Besides those differences, the films are shot-for-shot identical, or at least as identical as they could get.

If I were to make a page for this film, how would I go about naming it? Would it be based on which title came first? If I do it that way, it's Too Cool For Christmas.

Help with English seems useless

Avenger 09 is suspended from posting because of bad grammar, and keeps using the Help With English thread. Thing is, they've been suspended for three years, and posted in that thread for three years, and still makes basic mistakes like writing the verb journeys spelled "journey's".

To be blunt, they're clearly never going to be good at English, so what do we do? Because it feels pointless for me and the other language-helpers to spend our time teaching English to somebody who doesn't learn.

(I made a post in the Help With English thread about this HERE.)

Opening a TRS thread

I started a TRS thread the other day, and I checked the wicks to find evidence of misuse, but it's still not open despite the subforum not being at the thread cap. What else should I do?

Possible Ban Evader?

Sizzle Flicks is a new troper that is behaving very similarly to Adembergz, who was banned for making bad stub pages. They started up a few days after the latter's only post in the EB thread, and is also editing some of the same pages (like Battle for Luxorious Hotel and those Object Shows pages that previous ban evaders have edited before).

Regardless of that, they made a characters page that just says "Feel free to do it" and then leaving it alone.

EDIT: Looking through the Object Shows index and pages, there is a lot of ZC Es and just generally bad grammar on those pages. Like...a LOT. Not sure how much they can be fixed, since they only seem to be edited by a few people.

Works by country

The indexes for things from a given country are "[Nationality] media", for example, American Media. In those indexes we dump everything: actors, films, TV series, musicians, books, writers, etc. But at some point a subsection is so big that it gets an index of its own, for example American Actors and American Music (Italian Media, a random example, has less music examples, so they remain in the Italian Media index).

New indexes are proposed at the TLP, but before doing so, which would be the turning point when an index subsection like those may be proposed as a standalone index? 100 entries? 500? 1000? Other criteria?

Links to Potentially Harmful Sites

I'm not sure if this is the proper place to post this, but I'm not sure where to do so. Every now and then I come across quotes in certain tropes that, while they technically might fit (some being at best corner cases), they are from very obscure fringe internet sources, often extremely religious in nature.

For example, the Cheerleader's Are Evil trope has only one quote in it's quote page which comes from a conservative preacher's typed sermon, with a link to the website which the sermon was posted (which looks like it's from Y2K). The Ethical Slut quote page on the other hand has several quotes, but a lot of them are from similar source's and sites, with most the quotes being only tangentially related to the trope in question. The worst offender I have noticed in recent days is a quote on Attention Whore that (while technically could fit the trope) links to a site where the writer of said quote peddles their religious conspiracy theories about the Illuminati.

I honestly haven't contributed much to the site and I don't want to step on any toes in case of rules I am unaware of. Should something be done in cases like this?

WouldHurtAChild and WouldntHurtAChild question

I've been wondering about the distinction between hurting and killing and which trope would apply. If there's a character who's absolutely fine with hitting children, but will refuse to actually kill them, would that mean they'd fall under both tropes, or only one of them?

Questionable WMGs

Recently, I have come across a few WMG pages/entries that may go against the rules.

• The Mysterious Mr. Enter. Most of the entries are about his reviews and what he'll review next, which is fine. However, there are a couple that are based on him as a person. The first WMG in particular is downright absurd, considering it's talking about a real life person^note by contrast, the "Mr. Enter will turn into an enter keyboard button" entry seems to be referring to his avatar, not him as a person.
• Perfect Hair Forever only has one entry, and it's about the show being brought back for another season (or at least more episodes). While WMG guesses are supposed to be about what happens in the work itself, this one skirts the line a bit, although the reason given seems to lean more into the "not allowed" territory; it basically says the show may get more episodes just to fill more Adult Swim timeslots. Speaking of which...
• [adult swim] is the one that really stuck out. Entries about Adult Swim execs take the piss out of anime, blaming Adult Swim for both Cartoon Network's downfall and a bomb scare, and guessing Adult Swim's schedule in the years to come (which may go against WMG rules, but is comparatively tame compared to some of the other entries).

User uncommenting out ZCEs, other stuff

Walkerstar has been editing SweetDreamsFuel.Western Animation to move all preschool cartoons on the list under one bullet. Not only does this seem like a violation of Example Indentation in Trope Lists, some of the examples that have been moved under this bullet were ZCEs that have since been uncommented out during the move. Should something be done?

Icyslicey666 and Potty Emergency

Icyslicey666's only edits consist of going onto this page and changing every instance of the word "pee" with something else (like urinate or wee-wee).

Their two edit reasons attached to said edits were Any words or word combinations that could cause sin to some of the world including me. and Any unneeded shows that can come with secret bad messages, and words that could come as a bad excuse to life for other countries.

Soooo...maybe a troll? I don't know, but the page will need to be cleaned up after them.

Apple and Onion Laconic? Western Animation

Are Laconics approved by other tropers in an overall... consensus sort of thing? I don't feel like Apple & Onion has a good Laconic considering it compares it to something else that I believe has a dissimilar tone in my opinion? It's probably YMMV but I feel like it should rely less on another show in the Laconic.

Two Franchise/ pages for the same franchise

I discovered Franchise.Phile Verse and Franchise.The Xfiles for the same franchise, so I wish to merge the two to make one more complete page

I'll do all the work, is there a preference for which one becomes the franchise page and which one will be redirected to the other?

Dropped A Bridge On Him vs Undignified Death

What are the difference between the trope Dropped a Bridge on Him and Undignified Death? A lot of times I saw that it tends to be similar. Has there been an example of a Dropped a Bridge on Him that sounded at least dignified, or an Undignified Death that does not come too sudden like a bridge drop?

Thanks.

Slowly Slipping into Evil

This example was under the real life section of Slowly Slipping Into Evil:

• The subject of this journal article made friends with a drug dealer, then started to help him run his gang, then shot a man in self-defense... By the end of his criminal career, he had killed fifteen people and was prepared to commit murder merely to "safeguard his reputation".

The article is legitimately fascinating, but I feel like this should be an obvious No Real Life Examples, Please!? Shouldn't it?

Splitting the Characters Page for Pacific Rim

With the release of "Pacific Rim: The Black", the characters page that consists of all Pacific Rim characters (humans, Jaegers, and Kaiju) has become too long. Should the page be split and give each film/anime (original film, Uprising, The Black) its respective character page instead of one giant one?

I'll do the work, of course, but I just wanna get the ok before it's actually done.

Does SpongeBob need a cleanup? Western Animation

I mentioned this in the discussion tab of YMMV.Sponge Bob Square Pants to no response, but does anyone think the show's pages could use some cleanup? As noted in the Works That Require Cleanup Of Complaining, a lot of SB pages tend to attract complaining about Seasonal Rot and certain infamous episodes, plus references to certain Caustic Critics and potentially out-of-date entries from before Hillenburg's return and before his untimely death. I feel there should be an effort to go over the series' pages and remove the more complain-y posts.

Does the Transformers Fanfic Recs page need to get split up?

Just noticed that the "General" section alone on the Transformers fanfic recs page feels impossibly long. I'm wondering if we shouldn't split it up and make it into multiple pages based on either fanfic category, or on individual entries in the franchise.

(Edit) war! Huh! Yeah! What is it good for?

Absolutely nothing! Say it agai—

..Ahem.

A few minutes ago somebody removed a shoehorned entry on the final episode of WandaVision. The one who'd posted it, Xenoslayer 2137, put it back. (Spoilers! Be warned!)

Also, they used bad indentation after being sent a notifier about that problem by me.

link to fanfic parent IP in trope example entries?

I've been seeing several fanwork entries submitted to a TLP thread recently, all of a form similar to:

• In the Star Trek: Enterprise fanfic Janus [1], when Hoshi is turned into two Hoshis due to a Teleporter Accident, one of them faints in shock after seeing her double. Justified since the accident left them both in bad condition, and the one who passed out is physically unhealthier than the one who stayed awake.

• Is it typical to link to the "Inspiration" work page (Series.Star Trek Enterprise) in such an entry?
• Should it be italicized like a work entry?
• Should it just be an italicized title without Wiki Word linking?

Note: There is no current work page for the fic, so the external URL for that part makes sense to me.

Debating about which name is original Live Action TV

So in Kamen Rider Saber character page about a new rider (Which I can't talk about her identify because it's a spoiler) named Kamen Rider Sabela or Szabla, some of them including Kamen Rider Wiki called her Sabela while other half the troper who edit Kamen Rider Sabela/Szabla character file call her Szabla because they have a same meaning. So I want you guys to decide which one is the original and what to do with it.

Images

This is not really a Trope-related discussion, but I want to know how exactly to post images in TV tropes. I am working on a pantheon thing, but this is all I've got:

The contestants◊

As you can see, the image does not appear, and it gives you a 404.

How best to split the page?

The Pacific Rim character page has reached its size limit and needs to be split. Would it be better to divide the page by faction (Humans, Jaegers, Kaiju) or by the medium they debuted in (although several of the tie-in comics don't have their own pages but have characters who are on the current characters page)?