Troper with a filter Web Original

Pretty sure Troper "Book cat" has an extension or something that changes "Trump" to "Drumf" so when they edit a page (in this case the main Rooster Teeth page) it changes it. I remember seeing a while back that that kind of thing is discouraged. Is that still the case?

Edit War Film

11 days ago Raf97 added a So Okay, It's Average example to Birds of Prey (2020). It was removed by Iredener today, and then re-added by Raf 97.

Language specific trope

Can I put a trope that only apply to one particular translation of a media ? Like what if there was a meme that only sprouted in one specific language ? Can I put Memetic Mutation and possibly Ascended Meme even if it's not from the original language ?

Shipping Wank? Film

Troper Beyondthesea has been making a flurry of edits to the page of Avengers: Endgame regarding the ending of the film and its effects on Steve Rogers.

While most of these were initially germane if a bit Fan Wanky, I did delete a portion of theirs that seemed to be overtly taking a side as opposed to passively reporting on the situation in fandom, which is what the YMMV page and Broken Base are supposed to do. However they're now shoehorning in improper use of Unfortunate Implications, strawmen, and all kinds of what I consider to be lengthy Natter in order to justify their standpoint (based on the nature of their edits they seem to be an especially passionate Steve/Peggy fan).

Can I get any second opinions on this? As someone who is a fan of both Steve/Bucky and Steve/Peggy and has been passively involved in both subsections of fandom, I feel that this has crossed the line when it comes to impartiality, fair representation of viewpoints (I know some fans of Steve/Peggy or neither of the above ships who hated the fact that Steve voluntarily chose to go back during the ending, or who thought he was OOC in Endgame, personally), and overall good etiquette. I can also submit this to the Broken Base repair thread if necessary.

Page Blanking.

doomquokka moved all the examples in What Measure Is a Mook?'s Webcomics page to the Mooks Webcomics page, leaving it blank.

Captain Marvel Film

Just a heads up, a troper has added a lot of entries for Hypocritical Fandom to Captain Marvel (2019). I'm not taking action myself, but I feel like a lot of the entries are distortions of the context for the film's criticisms (poor use of flashbacks, retcons to the timeline of the series) or bring up criticisms I haven't seen made about the movie (bad villains, use of 90s music, boycotting the military).

Given this film's "controversial" nature, and the controversial nature of the trope itself, would anyone else like to weigh in?

Seemingly Excessive SelfDemonstratingCharacter pages

Mentioned this in the fairlydead SD Character cleanup thread and the TLP thread, where someone suggested I bring it up here.

Basically, Roku Alhazared more or less makes a new SD page a day, almost none of which really seem to have anything resembling a unique voice and while he clearly puts in a lot of work to them, they're little more than a first-person recap of a character. This seems excessive to me.

I haven't messaged him short of trying to ping him to the SD cleanup thread, but that might not have worked.

Unintentionally Unsympathetic misuse?

UnintentionallyUnsympathetic.Western Animation

• Jesus christ, the Diamond Authority, especially White Diamond They had been set up as purely sociopathic villains with no redeeming qualities with the exception of Blue, with White Diamond in particular draining the life force of her OWN children in an attempt to fight Steven. While they were clearly intended to be villains, that alone doesn't put up the fact that they murdered millions of their own citizens, corrupted their minds, and used their OWN corpses in order to destroy one of thousands of planets they had already annihilated for resources. During the Human Zoo arc, they are depicted as being torn up for their sisters's (faked) death, and somehow depicted as sympathetic by the show, including Yellow Diamond, who is still a completely and utterly emotionally dead psychopath. It gets worse with White Diamond, who was advertised up to this point as being a Complete Monster in tier with Ragyo Kuryuin, who is explicitly meant to draw up comparisons to nazi white supremacy, and imprisoned her youngest daughter for decades at a time. Then, after nearly killing him, Steven convinces her to drop all the horrible, repulsive things she's done because she blushed a different color, revealing herself to be a hypocrite. She goes completely back on her word and willingly turns Homeworld into a republic solely because of this, and is depicted as an adorably doting grandmother for Steven in the movie. Needless to say, a lot of fans were absolutely outraged at how easily the show had rehabilitated a horrible dictator, since Jasper and Lars had been depicted as being far more realistically in that regard.

I toned down some of complaining, but I question if it's an example given it's a notoriously controversial issue. I believe it's misused (at least as written) as this trope must explain why they were supposed to be seen as sympathetic despite the circumstances . Those traits are why they were supposed be be unsympathetic as villain until they begin to redeem themselves. It's just complaining about being Easily Forgiven. From my limited understanding of the series it sounds like it exaggerating their negative personality traits.

I've asked Unintentionally Unsympathetic cleanup but it's been inactive for the last few days and this looks like a big contentious issue.

Is this an edit war (hypothetically)?

For instance, let's say I'm editing a page for a show called Alice and Bob. I add an example like this:

• Big Friendly Dog: Fido is a Great Dane and very friendly, as demonstrated in "The Episode" where he lets Amy sleep next to him.

Another troper then comes along and adds, '...and in "Another Episode", where he licks Alice's face."

However, I've seen that episode and know that it was actually Bob whose face got licked by Fido, so I edit "Alice's" to "Bob's", with the Edit Reason: "It was Bob who got licked by Fido".

Would that be an Edit War?

Scarface - Discussion in CBD trope? Film

Hi folks - never posted to Ask before, so apologies if I do this wrong. The troper WELCOME_BRIGADOR and I have been talking over on the trope page for Scarface, specifically about the trope Chronic Backstabbing Disorder. W_B favors the following text as a way of providing context for the use of CBD in the work:

"Chronic Backstabbing Disorder: heavily implied with Sosa. When "bro"-saying Nuyoricans - who are NEVER white - criticize types for being fake Hispanic, it's usually types like him. He behaves very strangely around Tony, like he's ready to throw him under the bus, but never says it to his face. Compare this to the white Frank Lopez, who at least threatens him to his face, quite a couple of times, when he's upset with him. Same with Omar Suarez, also white, Germanic, Visigothic surname, as is Lopez, who was actually openly hostile to Tony the entire time."

I favor cutting most of that as hard-to-follow and not relevant to whether/how the film satisfies the trope. We talked for a bit on the Discussion page, and both agreed that we would like perspectives from a third party. Help?

Purpose of Square Peg Round Trope examples?

For what reason on Square Peg, Round Trope are examples of tropes being misused listed? It kind of reminds me of similar pages like License to Whine, which listed tropes that attracted complaining (when said tropes should instead go through TRS to get the problem solved).

Animated/CG mini series and a "mon" toys and cartoon. Western Animation

I had been thinking about for quite sometime but couldn't remember their name.

The first one is a 2D/3D animated mini series about 2 students and a I.T teacher discover bug like creatures in a cyber space in their computer. They can have them battle and even one is blasted to pieces revive after the fight. I.T teacher invite a mobile device which the students can check and battle each other.

The second is difficult to remember but I can gather is about a group of protagonists hunting these animals that have been mutate by what I presume to be extraterrestrial virus. They can even use them to fight against other group that to use them to conquer the world. One of the protagonists had this mutant polar bear with icicles for spikes and claws. The same protagonist had a Dad, who I think is studying whatever mutate the animals. I think that they had a toy of different creatures each inside a cylinder shaped container.

I understand that it might be difficult to understand but this is all I can remember.

Cut RL examples from Fun T-Shirt?

The Real Life section for Fun T-Shirt seems like People Sit on Chairs. Should it be removed from the page?

Trivia issue

Back in November, there was an issue over a Creator Backlash entry on the Trivia.RWBY page. I removed the entries because they appeared to be misuse of the trope. A Troper (Emerald Theorem) took it to the Discussion Page, but their adversarial posts made discussion difficult and led me to ask for help here.

The original ATT post is here and the Trivia discussion that triggered it is here.

The advice in the original ATT post was that the entries seem to be misuse and might be Old Shame instead, but there may be a trope description issue involved that should probably be double-checked on the Trope Description Improvement Drive thread.

That was going to be my next step, but real life got in the way and I completely forgot about this particular issue. It's only come back onto my radar now because Emerald Theorem has added it back to the Trivia page with no edit reason, but with an additional comment to the discussion page that seems unnecessarily aggressive. I understand them wanting to resolve an issue that's been left hanging for an unreasonable length of time (and that's entirely my fault), but their post feels like an attempt to pick a fight rather than a good faith attempt to resolve the matter. That leaves me not really knowing how best to respond without aggravating the situation further.

As far as I can tell, the next step should be to clarify the trope descriptions for Creator Backlash and Old Shame on the trope description thread to figure out which trope the examples best fit under. Does that seem like the way to go?

Questionable edits in YMMV.Arknights Videogame

So to give context to the YMMV edits I want to discuss, Arknights is a work where the primary conflict centers around fighting the Reunion Movement, a group angrily lashing out at the world governments for treating people infected with the fantasy disease as lower-class citizens and/or outright inhuman. So there's an entry on the page for Applicability as to how it can be interpreted as analogous to real life politics.

It goes on into a tangent about their aesthetic, which is debatably comparable to real life movements.

And DeadmansHand92x45 added their response to the entry in the middle (which seems like a definite violation by having Conversation in the Main Page)

The part of the entry they're responding to

There have also been a number of objections to the Reunion mooks being depicted as they are, as it seems to perpetuate the idea of anti-fascists being "terrorists", when the vast majority of terrorism in the 21st century◊ has originated from the political far right.

Deadmans Hand92x 45's addition

(Not even remotely true; most terrorism world wide since the 21st century has been Islamic terrorism terrorism and most recently in the west far left communist and anarchist see Antifa rioting and attacking anyone they accuse of being far right i.e. anyone who isn't them; https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks furthermore the first link falsely attributed several explicit Islamist attacks in the US to the far right for example the Pulse Night Club shooting and the San Bernadino mass shooting; both carried out by Islamists the former being an ISIS supporter).

Their objection is very politically charged in what they're saying and I'm not really sure how to handle this, other than removing all the tangents altogether, so asking here for feedback.

WebVideo or Fanfic?

Fanfic.What If Gine Went With Goku To Earth is a page that, well, is in the fanfic namespace.

But it's hosted on Youtube and while it's absolutely fanfiction, it's spoken word fanfiction and not prose or text. That... seems like a weird choice of namespace.

Actually, looks like all of MasakoX's individal Dragonball Discussions that have their own pages are the same. Oddly enough, the parent page is in the web video namespace: WebVideo.Masako X Dragon Ball What If

Thoughts?

Searching discarded TLPs

Is there a way to search discarded TLPs?

Anonyoyo

Can an IP check be made between Hanzheyingle and Anonyoyo?

Anonyoyo readded an attempt to shoehorn an old Counterpart Comparison between Bondrewd and Shou Tucker under Does This Remind You of Anything? in Manga.Made In Abyss, and further checking the edit history showed it had almost the exact same wording as Hanzheyingle's attempt before they further edited it. Anonyoyo started editing around the time of Hanzheyingle's suspension and Hanzheyingle never appealed.

As for the shoehorned non-example, I was the one that originally removed it so I'd like help avoiding an Edit War.

YMMV.Roblox covering controversies surrounding users/their creations

YMMV.Roblox has several entries that aren't about Roblox as a whole, but rather individual user creations or the users themselves. Now Roblox is pretty much a gaming platform in its current evolved state and only a few of the created games have individual pages, so I assume that the YMMV page is considered the best place to put reactions to individual stuff without a page... except a lot are placed in rather unflattering tropes like It's Hard, So It Sucks! and Overshadowed by Controversy with these often being the only places where those games or users are discussed on the page (i.e. Rogue Lineage is only discussed in It's Hard, So It Sucks! while Jailbreak at least gets two other mentions elsewhere that don't feel like people trying to complain). The Overshadowed by Controversy entries in particular feel kind of dubious to me because I'm unsure about if certain things being overshadowed in a gaming platform that is remembered for far more than any controversies is valid or not (and while the Ready Player One event was an official game-wide thing rather than a user creation, its entry feels a little questionable too since everyone forgot about it like a month later and r0cu isn't dead since his last Twitter post was 15 hours before this post). I've been doing edits on Roblox's YMMV page for a while now to add audience reactions (often not my own, but rather the views of others) about game-wide things and to change some stuff that felt like blatant complaining, but I don't know what to do here because most of the views are valid and would be fine on pages devoted to them, but they might not belong on a page covering an entire gaming platform as opposed to individual games. What do you guys think?

Hypocrite vs Moral Myopia

What is the distinction between Hypocrite and Moral Myopia? My impression is:

• Moral Myopia is only for villains, their hypocrisy being intentional to establish we’re supposed to dislike them.
• Moral Dissonance is for heroes Unintentionally Unsympathetic as their hypocrites are unintentional due to bad writing.

So is Hypocrite for examples not reprehensible enough to make them villains but too minor and/or deliberate to fall under Dissonance?

Is Hypocrite like Jerkass where it should only be used if it’s sub-tropes don’t fit?

Girl Genius Webcomic

On the work page of Girl Genius, there was this line in the description:

"Look over the Girl Genius character sheet, or talk about the comic in our discussion forum for Girl Genius."

I removed the link to the character sheet, as it's redundant and I was told they have to be removed; however, what's the deal with the link to the forums? Is that allowed? I'm asking because Girl Genius seems to be very popoular on TV Tropes (over 3000 wicks and Image Source for 36 tropes) so I'm not understanding if that link to the forum is something that kept going past the radar for years, or it was allowed by someone.

South Park character pages

In the South Park character sheet, 10 characters have their own separate pages and most of them are not very long, especially secondary characters like Wendy. But even of the main characters, only Cartman's page seems long enough to be separate from the other characters. Do we really need single pages for all these characters?

Okay to remove links of works that don't have a page yet?

I remember reading somewhere in Administrivia that it was okay so have them, since it invites other contributors to create the page. But I've seen editors removing them giving the reason that "the page doesn't exist".