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Removing a commented out note.
So awhile back I had to add this note to Ready or Not (2019) for reasons explained here
(edit Warring regarding a entry):
Fan Preferred Couple: Grace/Daniel have been decided to not be an example, since it's impossible to call their canon relationships "creator preferred" which is needed for this trope.
For further questions, please see the Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=14860997890A40152400&page=1
Well The Goddess Is Dead removed the note with out an edit reason and not discussing it anywhere. The best I can guess is that they thought because they added an Grace/Daniel under a new trope One True Pairing it was no longer needed. Here's the thing since the note was added due an edit war or at least close to it I was wondering if it should be added back to prevent another troper from adding misuse.
Unilateral Franchisewide Lumping Videogame
So Veriamo decided to migrate a bunch of entries from Xenoblade Chronicles, Xenoblade Chronicles 2, Xenoblade Chronicles X, and Xenoblade Chronicles 3 to aggregate franchise-wide pages many of which don't exist, supposedly in the name of removing clutter. Thing is, this results in an ugly-looking header full of red links, and also I don't think this was done with the approval of other editors, especially considering the forums have brought up that this kind of aggressive mass franchise-wide consolidation is actually causing problems in many cases.
Raimi-verse Spider-Man = Adaptational Wimp? Film
Okay, I gotta ask: is the Spider-Man from the original movie trilogy an Adaptational Wimp in Spider-Man: No Way Home? In the character page for Spider-Man's variants describes him as an AW because:
"The first two films of his series placed a strong focus on his spider sense, with there being two scenes showing it's accuracy and range. While the third film didn't show this it did subtly show it's use with Peter becoming confused just before his first fight with Harry Osborn. In No Way Home he is unprepared when the Lizard attacks him and isn't warned when the Goblin stabs him in the back."
I deleted this entry because... "So, just because he doesn't show his intelligence as often as he does in his original movies means he is an AW? He is still a genius. Also, I have problems with the adaptational tropes since this movie canonized The Multiverse for the MCU, meaning that these are not adaptations of the original characters. They are the original characters brought to a whole new setting."
JTR 01 added it back with: "A troper deleted this but their reason had nothing to do with what this trope mentioned." He even sent me a private message, asking me why I deleted AW and I responded with this:
"Adaptational Wimp is a trope that sees heavy misuse, nowadays. Adaptational Wimp explains that a character's effectiveness and agency, not his/her raw power, gets reduced in a story. Last time, I checked Peter-2 gets a lot of agency and effectiveness within the story. Also, just because he isn't a certified genius in the story doesn't mean he is dumb.
Its counterpart, Adaptational Badass, has been used to describe MonsterVerse Godzilla's... nuclear pulse. In the Toho movies, it was just something of a sidearm Godzilla used in case his physical strength and atomic breath were not effective. In the Monsterverse, he uses a power-boosted version of the nuclear pulse to incinerate Ghidorah in Godzilla: King of the Monsters (2019).
Both tropes are for characters, not aspects of those characters.
Seriously, DCEU: Batman was once described as an Adaptational Dumbass simply because, uh, he wasn't a borderline-omniscient super-genius like his comic book counterpart.
I just wanted to do my part in improving the character pages. If I screwed something up, I sincerely apologize."
So, what do you think?
Edited by MasterHero
No Title
So... There's a slight problem on Chip 'n Dale: Rescue Rangers (2022) with people wanting to add an Unfortunate Implications regarding a character who looks like a middle-aged version of Peter Pan.
Here is the latest version- which I just removed (added by N1000sh:
- Unfortunate Implications: Sweet Pete being a washed-up, gravel-voiced Peter Pan didn't sit well with people aware of the real-life downward spiral of Bobby Driscoll, the voice of Peter in the original movie.
The problem, as seen above, is that none of the added entries have citations.
Given that I don't think they were added by the same Troper, it doesn't seem to be an edit war, but I think it was worth bringing this up.
Cut page or replacement entry?
The only entry under YMMV.Star Trek Strange New Worlds S 1 E 03 Ghosts Of Illyria:
- Some Anvils Need to Be Dropped: Una, as a member of a species whom the Federation has been prejudiced against, expresses her fear that Pike (and others) are only willing to accept and defend her because she continuously proves herself to be exceptional and heroic, and that such acceptance wouldn't be extended to Illyrians who simply exist as ordinary people.
SANTBD was cut and turned into a redirect to Only entry was cut and redirected to Anvilicious, which does not apply here as the entry is not about the heavy handedness of the message. I assume the page should be cut unless any other YMMV items can be found for the page. Any other YMMV's to put there or reason not to cut?
In cases like this where the only entry is a redirect or cut item and is objective misuse of the replacement, do they need to be ran by here before cutlisting?
About BondVillainStupidity
The main page says
But then proceeds to list practically all the bullet points under Justified in the Playing With page. This seems contradictory. Either reasons given for the villain not immediately killing the heroes are BVS, Justified, or they’re not this trope at all. Which is it?
Faux Action Girls in Yu-Gi-Oh! Anime
Jack Pot 21 has been continuously removing the Faux Action Girl entries in the different Yu-Gi-Oh! pages throughout the years, even after multiple users have been re-editing, providing justifications and reworking entries so that they show what the trope entails.
- Yu-Gi-Oh!: Mai Kujaku/Valentine is setup as a powerful duelist that manages to defeat Rex Raptor (the Japanese Championship runner-up) off-screen. However, she never manages to back-up said reputation, losing all of her major on-screen duels with the exception of one against Jean-Claude Magnum (a one-off mook) and one against Joey (who was thoroughly exhausted by his duel with Valon in the same episode) in the Doma arc.
- Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's: Akiza is an interesting example of this. She has a fearsome reputation as the "Black Rose Witch", a ferocious and powerful psychic duelist that enjoys inflicting pain on others. This is eventually revealed to be a facade created by Akiza as a response to being treated as a monster. As such, she goes from easily stomping her opponents and nearly defeating Yusei in the Fortune Cup, to losing in less than two turns to Andore in the WRGP. She also loses her psychic powers without much of a reason.
- Yu-Gi-Oh! ZEXAL: Rio Kamishiro is presented as The Ace that is both academically and sports-gifted, with many characters expressing awe at how competent and scary she is. However, she never quite manages to leave the shadow of her brother Shark, mostly serving as a source for his character drama and getting hospitalized, kidnapped, possessed, thrown-off a cliff, hospitalized (again) and finally killed by characters that just wanted to hurt and/or attract Shark's attention, with Rio never able to fight back once.
- Yu-Gi-Oh! VRAINS:
- Blue Angel/Aoi Zaizen is one of the most prominent Charisma Duelists in Link VRAINS, presented with a bubbly and energetic idol persona, but willing to prove herself as a duelist to her brother and Yusaku, and also getting multiple avatar makeovers related to her development, as if setting up a big character moment. Unfortunately, she always loses her duels against plot-prominent villains (and the protagonists), with her loss to Specter being presented as particularly humiliating. This is possibly lampshaded by the characters in the final episode, as Kusanagi thanks Aoi and the others for saving his brother and Link VRAINS, with Aoi admitting that she actually didn't do anything.
- Emma Besho/Ghost Girl is presented as a skillful hacker and bounty hunter hired by Akira Zaizen to gather information about Playmaker. She's actually quite competent at collecting data, spying on others and making her way through Link Vrains; it's the "bounty hunter" part of her description that she always fails at, with her only win in the entirety of VRAINS being against Brave Max. This is particularly ironic, given that her Altergeist deck was one of the most competitive decks ever featured in the anime.
Jack Pot 21 has been removing any entries regarding the franchise since some years ago with many shifting justifications. First it was that the entries centered around winrates; then when the entries were adjusted to not focus on winrates, he added the justification that "examples for this entry can be very subjective", but I can't help but feel that this is agenda-driven edition, and that he feels that the entries are attacks on the characters themselves rather than assessments of how the (male) staff has issues writing women, which is something that the YGO fanbase has acknowledged over and over.
When his original argument for the removal of the entries was
"Having what’s personally deem as an “unimpressive victory” or because they don’t have enough duels doesn’t mean a female character a Faux Action Girl. Aki for example has a good win/loss ratio, yet she’s labeled as one simply for being nicer in the second season, ignoring the fact she only had one loss and a few Action Girl moments outside of duels."
Which seems to me a very suspect justification shift, as he went from claiming that "not having enough duels doesn't mean a female character is a Faux Action Girl" to saying that "Rio's examples don't even include anything duel-related" which are two contradicting statements.
Also, I quote one of the opening statements in the Faux Action Girl definition
"She has a well-grounded reputation as a strong fighter in her field but always fails miserably in the line of battle. Her talents and skills are well-known to fellow characters but for some strange reason, they're never seen by the viewers outside of perhaps A Day in the Limelight episode"
YGO is a shonen battle anime, in which the fights are card-game duels. Most of these examples include characters that have strong reputations in dueling, but they always fail miserably. They even get the "Talents and skills are well known to fellow characters but they're never seen outside of perhaps a Day in the Limelight episode", which is particularly glaring with Rio Kamishiro, who only got a character focus episode before going back to serving as a source of character drama for Shark.
Addendum: It seems like Jack Pot 21 has already had multiple issues through the wiki by attempting to tweak Yu-Gi-Oh pages to show what only he thinks are valid examples despite evidence to the contrary, which I believe is something that should be taken into account here.
Edited by Edgar81539
MultiVersus trivia
On Trivia.Multi Versus, I saw this comment above and below the Content Leak examples:
My understanding of our policy on leaks is that we don't acknowledge them at all until they're confirmed to be true, so we shouldn't mention that datamining revealed characters in advance until after these characters are officially revealed. Is that correct?
(By the way, I also had to hit up the WMG page, which used spoiler tags to hide guesses that were confirmed by leaks and datamining.)
Why was The Ex's New Jerkass cut?
I recently launched it, but if I made a mistake in doing so I’d like to know so I don’t make the same mistake twice.
Edit: I may have found the answer in the comments.
Edited by SergeantBane
TRS crowner
There is an active crowner for Spiritual Successor at the Trope Repair Shop. Click here if you want to join the discussion.
Edit: Four new options have been added. If you have already voted on the previous options, please check them out if you can.
Edited by GastonRabbit
TRS crowner
There is an active crowner for Dynamic Character and Static Character at the Trope Repair Shop. If inclined to join the discussion, do so here.
A new option has been added. If you haven't voted on it, please check it out if you can.
Edited by GastonRabbit
Edit war
On the YMMV page for Fantastic Beasts: The Secrets of Dumbledore, the entry under More Popular Replacement was deleted by Phoenix Avalon without explanation, then re-added by Vengeful Bale with the edit reason saying "this is an opinion held by both critics and audiences I've seen." The entry was then deleted again by Omega 3421, and was then re-added by queenhippolytas, before being once again deleted by Phoenix Avalon.
Edited by Javertshark13
Troper with repeat indentation issues
I have just sent D-Troper a notifier, as I stumbled across this page created by them last week that contains an abundance of indentation mistakes. However I want to flag them here as I notice this has been a repeat issue with them. They have created these two pages which all contain similar errors. The former presents tropes out of alphabetical order along with incorrect spelling whilst the latter is just a mess. On top of that, their grammar is quite poor and reads very awkwardly in places.
SanFran51 edit-waring
Hello,
I previously reported on San Fran 51 making agenda based edits to overshadowed by controversy real-life here https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/query.php?parent_id=111931&type=att
The query got closed after a week, and just this morning, they are back, readding removed edits which makes this an edit-war
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=OvershadowedByControversy.RealLife
Is it worth splitting Pokémon remakes into their own pages? Videogame
I was just reading through Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire, and while it doesn't have a too-long warning, the ORAS folder is sizeable, and the remakes have significant story differences from the originals. I'm not sure about the other remakes, but Pokémon Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee! already have their own page.
Rats of NIMH example
There was an example on Mrs. Frisby and the Rats of NIMH that was removed a long time ago without an edit reason and I reinstated it:
- Interspecies Romance: Mrs. Frisby is a field mouse (which aren't proper mice at all, they're voles), but laboratory mice such as her husband are house mice. Although they have children, the two species aren't closely related enough to breed.
The reason why it was removed may have been that it wasn't portrayed as Interspecies Romance in the story itself, and most likely the author wasn't even aware they were different species. Would it still be legitimate to put it here, or would it be better under Artistic License – Biology?
Bad Grammar, Punctuation Issues, Trope Shoehorns, Edit Warring...
... and all of the above.
So, recently stumbled across Manga.Police In A Pod, a page made exclusively by one X-FALCONER, a relatively new guy whose edits consist mostly of editing said page...
Grammar, spelling and punctuation issues are one thing:
- "Fuji have this with Kawaii with multiple characte note that she treat her nicely compared with how she treat others"...
- Jaywalking Will Ruin Your Life: downplayed and not jaywalking but in one case Kawaii interrogate a teen that stole a bike and made her confess the girl admitted that these incident will probably make her lose her scholarship in a university at Tokyo, but she is confident that she can go there through other means. — This is lifted wholesale from the page btw, I didn't change a single thing
- Yakuza: Minor nuisances in the manga. Seiji and Takeshi at one point get to a shouting match with them after a wakashu throws away a lit cigarette onto the street. — What does this have to do with the Japanese gang syndicate called the Yakuza again?
- Irony: While Kawaii just met Yamada and Minamoto through Fuji , is shown later they found her nicer and easier to get along than Fuji who is a Jerk With The Heart Of Gold. — How is this Irony? Also, yes, they didn't double-bracket the words "irony" so it's not bluelinked.
But there's also blatant Redlinked typos that the user neglected to fix (Big Sister Instict? Jerk With The Heart Of Gold? Abusive Mother?)
... Shoehorning Tropes that doesn't fit:
- Running Gag: During the anime Kawaii and running specifically her tendency to run and the monologues she has complaining about this, thanks to the anime adapting the early chapters where Kawaii had to run a lot — I don't think that's what Running Gag means?
- Cop Killer: While not a killer White Angel is a driver that Hit and Run Sakura an Officer of the station leaving her in a wheelchair for years he is later revealed to be Kimura a father who abandoned his family whose daughter is a cop in another prefecture, the reason why he was fixated on sakura was because she looked similar to her daughter but it wasn't intentional he just dozed off after he had too many all nighter. — The entry argues with itself, and is therefore a shoehorn. Also grammar in sentences.
- Dramatic Shattering: An apartment window is busted by Fuji with her issued baton when she and some officers were conducting a wellness check and the tenant wasn't answering the door (plus the tenant had a previous meeting with the police due to concerns that he's been drinking). — The trope Dramatic Shattering means "drops and breaks an object in shock". This entry is "Breaking A Glass Window With A Baton", which... isn't a trope that exists as far as I remember.
And an 18-bulleted-point Surprisingly Realistic Outcome entry with really, really bad shoehorns
- Surprisingly Realistic Outcome: One of the manga's main strengths with reader and critics is that Miko Yasu write with a lot of realism compared to other manga principally based on her own experience as a police officer.
- While everyone treat Kawai as The Ditz in the beginning, officer of others precints say that Kawaii actually is above average as a rookie, being someone who listen to her superiors advices and use them, follow orders and have generally a good will to work, is just that they compare her to Fuji who is The Ace.
- In a case of an Abusive Mother, who hurt her 3 year old child, instead of being a sadistic Child Hater, the woman was a teenage mom whose family kicked out and have her husband working aboard,and she was overstressed, after she found herself incredibly guilty of that, but still they took her daughter away from her, much to both sadness because they loved each other, Kawai felt incredibly guilty for this thinking that if she looked deeper on the case they would still be together, she and Kana outright admitted that Kid will probably hate Kawaii, but Kana admitted there was nothing she could do because she was just a grunt.
- Because they tend to be Hot-Blooded their superior dont really like Yamada and Minamoto, while they don't dislike them they outright said that they prefer Makitaka and Nasu who meanwhile doesn't have any great skill (Makitaka is outright said to be the weakest officer in all the station) they are dilligent and don't make dumb mistakes
- Just because someone passed Training from Hell doesn't mean they are going to become great athletes, Kawai passed the police academy training which according to the manga is capable of making men cry, but she doesnt show any Charles Atlas Superpower, actually there are a lot of times she is shown struggling in police work.
- Most officers spend their entire career with little to no experience in using their guns outside of target practice. If one is used to shoot a suspect, the officer/s's actions are to be scrutinized very carefully, especially since Japan has strict anti-gun laws.
- Because their work schedule, and Japan sexist tendencies toward male oriented jobs, is pretty common for policewoman to marry policemen until now all married (Ex)and current policewoman have been married to other officers.
- When officers are involved in strong traumatic incidents, they are often told to take time off or else they cannot function mentally in the field.
- Police officers, just like other first responders, don't have the luxury of having a social life or enjoy holidays because they need to be ready in case of an emergency or they need to work to ensure others can enjoy their holidays by covering their shift.
- Because of their past antics like breaking a car and losing his Badge, the inspectors were extremely vigilant to Minamoto and Yamada.
- When Kawaii got hit by a car but was fine nonetheless Fuji made her work until an ambulance come to check her, this was later revealed to be a facade she was way more affected than she showed with Minamoto having to console her later.
- In one chapter the main duo, had to deal with a lot of animal Jinx like subduing a Dog, making a cow move and deal with a monkey, like they explain they haven't being trained to this kind of stuff so they had a lot of trouble in this, in the cow case Seiji had to do it because he was raised by a police father in the countryside had experience with cows.
- Kana cuts corners and used inquiry to pass her training from the police academy and she is shorter than the minimum height required to be a cop in the first place, making her pretty bad when she need to do something physical.
Takeshi Yamada: [about Makitaka and Kana subding a large female suspect] Sgt. Minamoto, allow me to say something as their peer. Makitaka-san is the type of person you regret doing exercise with and Kana got through the academy solely through trickery. Their inability to do anything physical is laughable.- While Fuji may be The Ace, Yamada reveals she also had her struggles when she was rookie, like when a case had to be shut down for lack of evidence and she apologized endlessly to the victim or when the victim couldn't stand the investigation and decided to suspend the investigation.
- In most cop shows the one who hurt or kill an officer tend to be extremely dangerous criminals like Crime lords or Serial killers , in this case Kimura the criminal who runned over Sakura, was simply a man who was overworked and dozed off and because of his debts tended to lay low, also the only reason why he wasn´t caught was because of the rain all evidence was erased and he got rid of the truck the principal element Fuji used to investigate the case
- After seeing Sakura accident ,her instructor and superior Onigawara entered in a state of shock, this the bad weather, and her not drinking any liquids culminated on her suffering a miscarriage, after that she never went back to police work.
- Just like in Brooklyn Nine-Nine, Fuji explain that the only reason officers like her and Kawaii could work there was because older Policewomen like Yokoi or Onigawara trailblazed during a time where the police was more sexist, and made things easier to younger officers.
- Linked with above, policewomen have to work harder than his male peers so they don't hurt the image of all the policewoman.
- Officer need to have a crime before they can act, until then ,they can only watch or warn people.
- Later in the manga, it's revealed that Kawai distanced herself a little from her family. It turns out her family lives 2 hours away and because of her work schedule, she can't come to visit very often. She's the first police officer in her family and because of a mix of police confidentiality and Mai not wanting to worry them, Mai doesn't really talk about her job.
... which the discussion thread gave me the "OK" to delete after I did a consultation / analysis...
(Cue Drumroll For War... Edit War)
... only for FALCONER to re-add the whole thing, wholesale (both of them!), with his excuse amounting to "I disagree with the deletion reasons so I'm adding everything back without even bothering to correct the grammar issues"
…given the cleanup thread disagrees with him, me re-deleting would constitute as an Edit War. We really don't want that to happen.
They also made Characters.Police In A Pod, which is the character page for the show, I guess they're a fan. But then you see shoehorns like this ( I haven't analyzed it thoroughly, that page is huge)
- Meaningful Name: Fuji is a reference to Mt. Fuji. — Isn't Fuji a super-common Japanese name?
- Meaningful Name: Kawai is cute. — Actually, "Kawai" is a Japanese word that means "Confluence". Also sounds like character gushing.
- Berserk Button: Temporarily after seeing a baby corpse, she got a button with people who downplay security measures specially with kids, a pep talk with Miyahara work this out. — I don't think that's what Berserk Button means? This entry is just "X freaks out after seeing a dead baby"...
- Fair Cop: In a more cute, than sexy way but Kawai is considered quite cute with even Minamoto (who see policewoman as apes) telling her that she is cute, once one of her classmate outright admitted than she is jealous of Kawaii boobs and figure. — "More cute than sexy" — wait, what?
- Brutal Honesty: a big part of the character specially in a Deadpan Snarker way — "X is this" violation, also grammar and lack of punctuations.
- Cool Big Sis: Sometime she gives this feeling with Kawai — "X is this" violation, also grammar and lack of punctuations.
- Fair Cop: She constantly gets compliments for her looks. — What?
There's also
- violation of Repair, Don't Respond on Recap.The Owl House S 1 E 11 Senses And Insensitivity note
- Natter on Recap.What If S 1 E 7 What If Thor Were An Only Child note
- more grammar stuff and borderline RDR on Characters.Avatar The Last Airbender The Fire Nation Royal Family
- this edit to Characters.Avatar The Last Airbender Other Characters and this edit to Recap.The Simpsons S 21 E 13 The Color Yellow having similar grammar and capitalization issues as the Police Anime page linked above.
- violation of
EDIT: Apologies for the bolding, I know there are guys who consider this an eyesore. It's just, you know, for pointing stuff out
Edited by RobertTYL
Trope
How do you make a trope like this: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WebVideo/TheUltimateEdChronicles i wanna make a trope on Lucky Spirit, a series made by me based on Dream Works Animation.
DBZA: Web Video or Fan Work?
Dragon Ball Z Abridged is in the Web Video namespace, but I've been told to put it in the Fan Works folder in a TLP. Which folder it's in changes depending on the page. Sometimes it's even in both folders.
So which is it? A Web Video or a Fan Work?
Someone re-added Meta.
So you remember a few back when someone added
Meta moments to Awesome.Doctor Strange In The Multiverse Of Madness, well today a different troper named, Yellow 20, added
these Meta entries that say basically the same thing as the old ones:
And changed another from this:
To this:
This is the third time the John Krasinski one has been added, they didn't discuss this anywhere, my previous edit and reason is still reasonably in view, and I was told these weren't allowed. So, I figured let's get the public's thoughts. If we keep them, I will be fine with that.
Edited by Bullman