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Adding tropes to a page for an earlier installment (X-Cellent) Print Comic
Bringing this one back to ATT as we've failed to reach an immediate consensus on forums - and we now have a disagreement on how to proceed until we do have a consensus.
Marvel's 2022 comic book miniseries X-Cellent was followed by / relaunched as 2023's miniseries The X-Cellent (Recycled Titles, especially character/team titles, are pretty standard for Marvel). That second series is still an ongoing work.
Over the last year or two the prevailing approach has been to create a new page (or, at the very least, a soft split) for comic relaunches of this nature, but StrixObscuro made the point that it may be close enough to the original to be handled as a single work, adding that
"I see no reason why we should humor Marvel's cynical relaunches" note
As there was no consensus for an immediate merge, the agreement by default became to wait and see how this progresses, then revisit it when the work's complete, or at least less incomplete - e.g. is it going to get a third installment and how will it be handled for collected editions? We can then make a more informed decision to merge or not.
However, we still seem to have a difference of opinion on how we act in the interim - StrixObscuro has added examples for characters and events from the 2023 sequel to the 2022 series's page.
I moved them over to the 2023 page, not realising this had been a deliberate choice, on the basis that until/unless we merge, tropers wouldn't expect to hit spoilers (tagged or otherwise) or plot details for the new series on the previous installment's works page.
StrixObscuro then challenged that, saying that their view is that we should continue to update it with tropes from both series "until consensus finally and definitively decides that the two pages should remain split".
Can we get a steer on this aspect? I think we've dropped into entrenched positions on this one (and the Marvel cleanup thread's been pretty quiet), so I don't think we're going to resolve it ourselves.
For context, the original ATT is here, and the original cleanup thread discussion starts here.
British "Gypsy" vs European "Gypsy"
British works often use "gypsy" to mean Irish Traveller, so there's quite a few examples on Roguish Romani (the stereotypes are the same although the two peoples aren't related). Should these be removed or commented out, or do we consider the trope is flexible enough for both?
Has Ranma 1/2's Konatsu been declared trans? Anime
Not sure if this is the right place to ask, but I figured it couldn't hurt... Just came from the Ranma ½ Recurring Characters page, and the character sheet for Konatsu, who is canonically a crossdressing boy who has been Raised as the Opposite Gender by an abusive stepmother, has been rewritten as if the character were canonically a transgirl. Has this been an official decision made somewhere, or is this one wiki-writer pushing their headcanon?
Can someone help back this up
The trailer for Pikmin 4 dropped today, and there's some mild confusion about the groups name. I want to prevent an Edit War.
at 0:16 in the video you can hear the narrator clearly refer to them as "Rescue Core". However, the page keeps getting edit to be rescue corps. Can anyone fact check this? As far as can be known right now, there's no official word on if it's Core or Corps.
Spider-Verse Variants Film
Since Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse is confirmed to be in the MCU's multiverse, can I add to characters not otherwise related to Spider-Man as having variants in the universes featured in that movie?
EditWar Western Animation
On this page:
- Darklightprince added this entry.
- I deleted it for coming across as complaining.
- Darklightprince re-adds it back.
As a side note, they also sent me a YMMV notifier for deleting the example. It could be an accident, though.
Edited by skan123
Question about these deletions.
So on YMMV.Luca Lucien Ren deleted these Ho Yay entries:
- Alberto gets up in Ercole's face when he insults Luca, saying he smells like a pescheria (Italian for "fish shop" per the sign on Massimo's house). It's the same kind of intensity a guy would show if someone insulted his girlfriend, especially when it comes to smell.
Alberto: Hey. My friend smells AMAZING!
- The bicycle scene just before the Plot-Mandated Friendship Failure. It's a blink-and-miss thing, but Alberto looks down and notices Giulia placing her hand on Luca's which causes him to flip and tell Giulia to back off.
- During the race, Luca decides to expose his sea monster form if it means helping Alberto (whose true form is already exposed to the watching crowd of people and who tells Luca not to move so he doesn't get exposed as well). He races forward on his bike, and the two boys reach their hands out towards each other in a very climactic fashion.
- Then there's the Train-Station Goodbye which has Alberto running alongside the train as Luca heads off to Genova.
- On a meta level, while it's never been confirmed that Luca and Alberto have feelings for one another, none of the film makers are denying it (and many seem to support the ship).
- Alberto gets up in Ercole's face when he insults Luca, saying he smells like a pescheria (Italian for "fish shop" per the sign on Massimo's house). It's the same kind of intensity a guy would show if someone insulted his girlfriend, especially when it comes to smell.
Changed the One True Pairing from this:
- One True Pairing: Although there is no main couple in the movie, Luca and Alberto are, by far, the most popular pairing of the movie given the entire movie revolves around their friendship which provides ample opportunity for Ho Yay.
To this:
- One True Pairing: Although there is no main couple in the movie, Luca and Alberto are, by far, the most popular pairing of the movie given the entire movie revolves around their friendship.
There edit reason was "Not each basic interaction, is Ho Yay." Which while true (for intance the blink and you will miss it and meta ones doesn't really belong there), most of these are moments fans point to as seeming romantic and that is what the trope is about fans seeing something meant to be platonic between two characters of the same sex as unintentionally romantic. Even then I don't get why remove the mention of Ho Yay from One True Pairing because the Ho Yay is a big part of the why the ship became popular. So I wanted some more opinions on if it was right to cut them or not because I am torn.
Edited by Bullman
TRS crowner
There is an active crowner for Monster's Favorite Petting Spot at the Trope Repair Shop. Click here if you want to join the discussion.
TRS crowner
There is an active crowner for What Measure Is a Non-Badass? at the Trope Repair Shop. Click here if you want to join the discussion.
Overzealous deletions or not?
There's been a couple of Expy deletions that seem questionable. For example:
However, looking at the recent posts in the Expy Cleanup thread, there seems to be no prior discussion to check if the examples are indeed valid or not. Is this a case of overzealous deletions? Benefit of the doubt may say that some examples fit other tropes better than Expy, but it seems like they just acted on their own.
Some of the Genshin Expy examples have a trend of the developer (miHoYo) basing the name, appearance, traits and even hiring the same voice actors of an older character into their newer copy, even if it's in a different game (i.e. Raiden Mei to Raiden Ei and Yae Sakura to Yae Miko). Yes, the devs have been doing this for some of their characters for a long time and even up to this day, and if you're familiar with the works involved, they're unambiguous. I think at least some deleted examples are still valid, but the fact that it was not discussed in the thread raises some eyebrows.
, even though the context in the example already said that Dante's creator Hideki Kamiya confirmed his Cobra inspiration in an interview. Isn't that already a Word of God confirmation? The Expy Cleanup Thread says a Word of God can help validate a character being an Expy of another, so why was it deleted? Heck, Dante being based from Cobra design-wise and appearance-wise is even a piece of info mentioned for a long time in the Devil May Cry Wiki.
In fact, if you know DMC behind-the-scenes, there's another supplementary material (3142 Graphic Arts artbook page 200) where a staff mentioned that Dante was imagined as Cobra when they made his fighting motions with a certain weapon.
I just assume that the entire paragraph was deleted because other tropers added a bunch of anime and manga characters in comparison, which does make the Expy example invalid, but the Cobra one should've at least been kept because it's been confirmed.
It makes one wonder if the Expy Cleanup thread is deleting some Expy examples even if they can actually be valid, especially the second scenario I mentioned above. It really seems like clean-up efforts like these are best handled by tropers who are more familiar with the works.
I remember there's an Improper TRS Cleanup thread which pointed out that some tropers are overzealously deleting things, though that thread seems to be inactive for a while now, so I'll ask here in ATT instead.
Console generations ending Videogame
A couple of years ago, I brought up a query when someone changed the year ranges for the seventh and eighth console generations on Horrible.Video Game Generations Seventh Onwards. Specifically, they changed the range on Seventh Generation from 2004-2017 to 2004-2011 and Eighth Generation from 2011-present to 2011-2017. After the discussion in ATT, the user reverted the changes.
Today, an editor named Gentle Mart made the exact same edit, changing 2004-2017 to 2004-2011 and 2011-present to 2011-2017. Requesting permission for a revert.
I will be summoning Gentle Mart after posting this.
Should Nicknames and attacks be in quotation marks? Videogame
On the various Character pages for Characters.Trails Series user Mr Derpy Kid 2 has been removing quotations marks on varios pages, mostly in regards to nicknames and the names of the various attacks in the games. Here's one examples and here's another.
This got me wondering, should we have nicknames (such as Red Baron names) and attack names in quotations marks?
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I’m making separate pages for the 3 Santa Clause films as The Santa Clause 1, The Santa Clause 2, and The Santa Clause 3: The Escape Clause. Two of them already have blue links which take you to The Santa Clause where it says aka The Santa Clause 2 or 3. How can I fix this type of mistake?
Uploading Video Examples
Hi everyone. Long time reader, first time troper. There are some video examples I want to add to my favorite trope pages, but I don't know how. Could you give me some advice. Please and thank you! :)
Regarding the page for Every Frame A Pause
I brought this up on both the Critical Drinker and Real Life People cleanup threads, though I couldn't find a topic page about whether or not something is tropable.
The page for Podcast.Every Frame A Pause has a lot of issues and I'm not sure if the podcast itself is tropable. Ignoring the misused tropes I brought up on the latter cleanup thread, the podcast doesn't seem to have a narrative, the hosts aren't playing fictionalized or exaggerated versions of themselves, and the page itself is mostly troping the hosts' opinions and reactions to things.
I don't have any opinion on Every Frame A Pause beyond that its the infamous "the guys who held a 12 hour reaction stream because Jenny Nicholson hated Joker", so any input would be appreciated.
Edited by SkylaNoivern
SoYouWantTo have a bunch of red links...
So I noticed yesterday that someone made Write The Next Bionicle, which was recently put on the Cut List. I went to the main index to So You Want To and...there are a lot of red links. Like a lot. And they've been added to the page for years without any sort of effort on actually making them pages.
What should be done about these? I know red links are not inherently bad, but I question why these should even be there to begin with.
Is "Does the Dog Die" tropable enough? Web Original
I had a look at doesthedogdie.com for the first time in years and I saw that it's expanded to include a whole load of potential triggers, not all of them necessarily related to death e.g. misgendering, vomiting, trypophobia etc. Examples of triggers are added to a work's page on the site by members. Since we deal with a lot of tropes covering negative topics such as Black Dude Dies First and Bury Your Gays, do you think this could warrant the site a page on this wiki or would that be too tasteless?
Recurring plagiarism issues on thread.
So uh Villainfan35817 seems to. Have serious issue with plagiarism on proposals over on the,complete monster proposal thread. Despite the fact he's been warned like a bunch of times and thumped. He just continues.
At this point he's done this three times. Despite being highlighted at the top of the tread to not do it and being warned each time.
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Just proposed a new trope, but I don't know how to add any examples. Or anything really. X( What do I do?