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The Big Rotten Apple trope description altered

Someone by the name of Mattdaw1 has rewrote the description of The Big Rotten Apple trope, was this okayed somewhere? There was nothing about it on the discussion page.

Editor with grammar problems

(And there's that subject line again.) Eilevgmyhren is presumably a non-native English speaker, but that would explain rather than excuse their frequent capitalisation, spelling ("roothless", "immidiately"), grammar ("catched"), and punctuation errors. I've sent them a grammar notifier, but wondered if errors this pervasive and persistent required further action.

Troper not responding to PM

Warhammer: Age of Sigmar was recently split by Lord Araghast in a way that frankly doesn't make sense to me (25% of the page was split off into 5 subpages, while the other 75% remained on the main page). I sent a PM to this troper asking for an explication, but received no response after a few days, and I don't think I could revert the page without constituting an edit war, for I was the person responsible for organising the page (pre-split) at the first place.

Edit warring troper on TheScrappy entry Anime

*sigh* This page again. TheTrailblazerCritic keeps restoring an entry placed under The Scrappy in YMMV.Attack On Titan that was repeatedly deemed by the Scrappy cleanup thread to be an immediate cut since it uses words like "borderline". Mod intervention is needed.

Weird pages about a Smurfs show??

So, this is an odd one. Smurfs (link to edits) recently created some bizarre pages in random places about a Smurfs show called "Touch of Blue" — which, as far as I can tell, doesn't exist. The created pages are Trivia.Beehive Hairdo, Analysis.Beehive Hairdo, Fridge.Beehive Hairdo, Characters.Beehive Hairdo, Fridge.How Indexing Works, Analysis.Malcolm In The Middle, and Fridge.The Smurfette Principle. So, uh... does anybody know what's going on here?

Illegal SNK Boss page Videogame

This page seems to have been created by a troper who's frustrated that they are unable to add some entries under That One Boss's restrictions (and Dark Souls is known to have some extremely tough bosses that are completely optional). I know, because I am the one who has to repeatedly stamp a huge warning to not add Final Bosses and Bonus Bosses on ThatOneBoss.Dark Souls whenever there's some stray troper that thinks That One Boss applies for anything under the sun.

Should I add this to the cutlist on the basis that none of the entries listed there are even remotely connected to the SNK Boss's criteria? As it stands, the page is full of the whiny entries I deleted over the past years.

Need Clarification Anime

I was gonna add an example to the Shimoneta work page, concerning the fandom's attraction to Oboro's character. Normally, that'd fall under Perverse Sexual Lust since it's real people being infatuated by a fictional character. But is Perverse Sexual Lust a YMMV trope and, if so, should I place the example on that page? Or should I place it on the main work page under Stupid Sexy Flanders?

Shoehorned Suggestions

As much as I wanted to not bring this up again, this unfortunately needs to be addressed because it's becoming a recurring issue as of late. Troper Bob Riddle has been using the Death Battle suggestion pages to shoehorn as many suggestions that break the page rules as much as possible, with most of them coming from Mega Man and My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic respectively. The problem is that they seem to not be aware that suggestions need to have context and connections in order to be feasible, and most of their suggestions just flat-out make no sense at all (like Twilight Sparkle vs Solid Snake). And worse, whenever someone deletes their suggestions to call them out on it, they always add new ones to make up for the deletions as if they're trying to skirt around Edit Warring.

Courtesy links here and here.

Splitting apart a shared character ppage Live Action TV

So this page is shared by the movie and the TV show Constantine. Is there any way to link the character button on the movie page directly to this page, so I can rework the first one? I want to rearrange it in the vein of the other ArrowVerse show character pages, like here.

No Title

Darker and Edgier has had a "fandom" page since 2014. What's it for? Shouldn't it be cut?

Complete Monster example

I'm trying to add a new example, but I've just found out that I don't know how to enter the cleanup thread. Can someone teach me?

Brian Michael Bendis' Superman Print Comic

Brian Michael Bendis has been controversial among Superman fans for the creative choices he makes regarding the Superman comics, but a few minutes ago this was added to the YMMV page:

• They Changed It, Now It Sucks!: Despite Bendis' assurances Lois and Clark are still in love and will not separate, fans were left divided over his characterisation of Lois when the Kents finally did reunite. Some critics took issue with Lois referring to Clark as "baby" instead of "Smallville", how ecstatic she was with leaving her only son in space with his grandfather (who'd previously been a genocidal monster) because of his puberty kicking in, and suggesting Clark wanted, not needed, her and that she prioritised her journalism over her family. Fans were also annoyed at the lazy writing as Lois' reasons and assurances were pretty much verbatim what Bendis had already said in interviews about the state of the relationship.

Is this a valid complaint or not?

About the No Real Life Examples, Please! description

I remember seeing a few cases in the past where people have wondered whether reality TV shows should be allowed to have No Real Life Examples, Please! tropes listed on their pages. And correct me if I'm wrong, but I also believe that the official judgment from the moderation team was that reality TV shows are scripted enough to not actually count as real life, so these tropes should be allowed so long as they're limited to troping what actually happens in the show.

Shouldn't this rule be mentioned on the NRLEP page? The page isn't locked so I could add it myself, but I think the reason for that is so people can add tropes to the list rather than for them to edit the description, so I'd like to ask if that's OK first.

Restore a cut

Would I be justified in restoring this cut under Hellsing Ultimate Abridged?

• Crossdressing Voices: The case with Seras (Though this was not known originally) as Nowacking has since publically come out as a transgender man.

The reason given for the removal "She was, is, and always will be a biological female, so this doesn't qualify." seems incredibly transphobic.

Combined examples needing split Videogame

I'm working on a trope page for a project of mine (though I'm keeping it off TvT itself until said project gets far enough), but I'm having a problem with two of them. At the moment, they had to be merged into a single example in order to make sense, but I want to split them into separate entries that still reference each other in a coherent manner.

• Attract Mode/Automatic New Game: When the game is first started, the main menu treats you to a flyby of the Hub (sans portals) in the background, with the menu itself disappearing if the game is left alone long enough. When a new game is started, the menu goes straight into it’s Attract Mode as if it’d been left alone, but the music starts to fade out instead of remaining on, as the camera slows to a stop. A few seconds later, we’re treated to a loud *THUD* followed by an equally loud “...Ow!” from Mike after another second, immediately going into the intro mission’s starting cutscene from there.
  • On subsequent loads, the game does the same thing, but for the world the player was last in. But instead of going into attract mode, it instead fades to black (which also functions as a concealed loading screen), before cutting to a short scene showing Sam/Mike waking up, at which point it seamlessly switches to gameplay.
  • When starting a new game (or new game+) when not in the Hub, it will start differently, with the game fading out as normal, before the loud thud is heard while the screen is still faded out. Beyond this, the scene starts as normal.

Anime: State the name; pause for effect Anime

I'm watching Hero Mask on Netflix and besides the agonising long stares in conversations, I'm noticing how much characters just say a person's name and nothing more. There's a heck of a lot of "Monica." when she's not there, but also saying the name of someone who's just entered the scene or is leaving (e.g. soooo much "Theo!" at one point). What are these terrible writing tropes that seem to just fill air time?

Mod revert needed Web Original

On Characters.RWBY Salems Faction, Rissis has accidentally deleted an entire character folder while reorganizing character order, while also deleting some tropes in various folders. None of this was approved nor discussed.

Laconic.AvengersEndgame Film

The Laconic.Avengers Endgame was deleted with reason "Works don't need laconic pages". If this is so - is someone going through each work and deleting them all? If not, Let's bring it back.

Captain Marvel 2019 YMMV Film

Can the Captain Marvel movie's YMMV come back up the the film may be a base breaker for some despite not being out yet but Ghostbuster 2016 and other films had similar flak before their release and their YMMV pages stay up. I am not trying to take sides on where the film will be good or bad, but I still feel the that the controversy surronding the film does not warrant the page's removal.

Sonic Chronicles & BioWare Videogame

Shouldn't Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood be listed on BioWare's Creator page? They were the ones who developed the game, after all.

No Title

That's four private messages I have sent to Chabal2 about the importance of using proper namespaces in links to work pages since November 2014, and yet he's still not adding them, even when there is no longer a valid redirect in Main/.

His recent edits also have Example Indentation problems.

Kingdom Live Action TV

I'm happy to create it myself (with some trepidation as a fairly newbie troper admittedly) but wanted to check first;

Is there a specific reason there's no page for Kingdom (the mma tv series?)

Name of animation show to do with an amulet Western Animation

(unsure where and how to post this in specific places) Medieval world where everyone has a unique superpower, a bit like boku no hero. Main character, a boy with black hair with couple of red stripes, wears red attire and has forging abilities but then finds an amulet with 3 abilities: a shield and sword, wings and something to do with time. He has two sisters, one which looks like a female him I forgot her ability but she uses a stick as a weapon , another who has blonde hair and wears blue things, she an apothecary. They live in with their grandfather. They also have a troll friend who is like a milk chocolate brown and is enchanted so he wont attack them and is friends with them. Main villain had a name like thanatos or thanos but I am not very sure and has the ability to teleport.

Some episodes I remember: One where the villain's base (a castle on a giant dragon's back) the dragon is sick r something and they need the tear of some elder dragon and so do the protags for something else. The troll goes to their home with the protags to fight his brother who is not very supportive with the idea of him being friends with humans. somethings happen and the twin sister and troll use a type of pepper to make the entire troll place go to sleep. The antag and protag are trapped in a limbo with a colossal titan and need to coop to find a way out, only ending up the villain double-crossing him.

How should we note familiar voices? Film

It used to be there was a trope called "Hey, It's That Voice," which was listed on the trivia section and was a nice way of calling out why a particular actor might sound familiar. Subsequently, the trope was changed to "Role Association."

But now I see "Role Association" is a "Just For Fun" trope, which apparently doesn't merit inclusion on any of a work's pages at all anymore. (Unless there's some way to make a "[Work]/Just For Fun" page, which I don't see anywhere in the page-creation interface.) And furthermore, going to the "Role Association" page, it's apparently all about imagining a given work had another of an actor's characters swapped in, which is not the sense in which "Hey, It's That Voice" was used.

I used to like to be able to see listings of actors from a given work who were better known for other roles, and to add such myself. But now those listings are apparently all gone. Granted that these listings are more about the particular actors than the work they starred in, it was still nice to be able to see a list of all the other well-known roles the actors had right there together.

Is there an appropriate trivia category to use, since "Role Association" apparently isn't it?

Rocketeer YMMV

I was wiki walking and i found a folder in YMMV.The Rocketeer of a potential Reboot of the series. Since theres isn't a concrete conception of it yet, can i remove it?