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Awesome music subpage? Music
Hey guys, what are the rules for awesome music subpages? I want to make one for Depeche Mode.
place to put WIP crap! Music
Hey dudes/dudettes, I'm trying to work on some pages for bands that lack a Tv T page. Is there a place to write these on the wiki instead of a word processor?
Enough tropes for a page? Music
Trivia is allowed on creator pages. Is a band in Music/ a kind of creator page or strictly speaking not a creator page because of the namespace? Breed 77 won't have enough examples without the one trivia.
Oh, and one's light on context...
Edited by Tabs
Band question Music
I was browsing The Mechanisms' page and found they were 'created' by Dr. Carmilla, who also has a page for her solo work, and the Mechanisms struck out on their own pretty quickly. But for their brief time when they worked together, I found that also has a page, Dr. Carmilla & the Mechanisms, which is pretty bare-bones and hasn't updated in 4 years. Since both parts of the band decided to continue working within the same storyline but under separate names, is the collab page really necessary since they're more famous as separate acts?
Edited by lalalei2001
Music-Inspired narratives? Music
Honestly, this could be a trope itself. I’m thinking of music-inspired narratives like Cowboy Bebop, Samurai Champloo, Space Dandy, Afro Samurai, Baby Driver, ETC.
Name more music-inspired narratives. Maybe this could be its own article or something.
Edited by TheBryceKrispy
What to do with Alternative Indie Music
I feel that the Alternative Indie index is poorly-defined and in a stiff need of a cleanup. It's just a simple descriptor followed by an index of what tropers felt are alternative/indie, and I'm not overly sure about a good chunk of the contents.
Should we just rework and rename the index? I'm thinking a stiff rewrite to a new Indie Rock index to differentiate it from Indie Pop; for the Alternative Rock acts, there is an Alternative Rock index already, though it refers to the subgenres within.
Edited by GrafVonTirol
The question of composers, both classical and modern Music
Since a fair number of composers have been placed under Music/, and I still see plenty of others classified under Creator/ (eg Creator.Nobuo Uematsu), should such creators be transferred over to Music/ (at least unless they're also known for non-music fields)?
Can someone fix the Tofie page? Music
The page for electronic musician Tofie is a complete mess. Half the tropes are misused and are seemingly only there for the creator to gush over how attractive they think the artist is, one of them is a ZCE, and the page isn't even indexed. I'd do it myself, but I have no idea where to start.
Edited by PhysicalStamina
Duplicate article? Music
Just noticed that we have two pages for the artist Gackt: Creator.Gackt and Music.Gackt. They both seem to cover the same content (his music).
How do I alphabetize Tiny Tim? Music
Does he go before or after Justin Timberlake?
More Fridge.Music Cleanup Music
My efforts to clean up Fridge.Music have most recently moved a number of entries from movies and theater to Fridge pages for those media.
Now, I can see a few entries which might be too general. Specifically, I'm talking about these:
- Why do so many Japanese songs have upbeat melodies but depressing lyrics? It's because it's an "in the moment" song. The times between the people mentioned in this song are good, but there are also bad times, and even with those still going on, it makes the good times even sweeter. Even if there's a melancholy to the lyrics, the song stays upbeat because the "memories" that come with them are worth it.
- A fridge brilliance for Techno (this stripped-down, dark and robotic subgenre of electronic music): why was there no melodies, cool fat synths like in Electro-House? 'Cause it's made for live performance. Live, cool synths often get completely squashed: only remains the drums and the bassline, which are THE elements that will make a human dance.
- Patron is an expensive brand of tequila that has made its way into a lot of rap/r&b lyrics. The thought that, because a bottle costs so much, Patron was popular with music artists because of this association with the excess of success. Then realizing that Patron just rhymes with a lot of words. You can make a similar case for Henny and Goose, or Grey Poupon.
- You bought a CD from a band you are discovering, you sit down to listen to it and you hate it; you kindly toss it to a corner of your room. Some day later, you found out you are humming one of the songs, so you listen to the CD again and boom! It rocks! What a good record! This may or may not happen to you if you listen to Green by R.E.M. and / or The Soft Parade by The Doors.
Are any of these salvageable?
Is this troper with agenda? Music
- Men Are the Expendable Gender: The ending of the video seems to take a great amount of glee showing the giant Pam/Vallery eating the all-male band. With lots of shots of each terrified man begging for his life before showing Pam/Val eat him entirely on screen with no cutting away or Gory Discretion Shot for any of them. And by the end, not only is every single man dead, but the Giant Woman gets off scott free, suffering no repercussions for what she did. It's hard to imagine an all-female band getting eaten one by one would ever end with all of them killed off, or be portrayed in such a cavalier way.
Uhhhh…what? Am I getting agenda vibes here? For describing a silly fetish-y music video involving a giantess.
Fridge.Music Cleanup Music
After a few recent visits to Fridge.Music, I thought is was overdue for cleanup. So, I made an attempt at that over the last week or two, alphabetizing the entries by artist (where available), rewording some entries to remove This Troper, removing Natter, turning artists' names into links (some of which came out red), and also commenting out a couple of entries that came across as Zero Context Examples.
However, I think I might need some help with what's left. If you'd like to see the extent of what I've done so far, the link's above and the alphabetical order starts with 3OH!3.
First off, I've seen a lot of entries for songs from movies and musicals. Should those be moved to pages about those movies and musicals?
Edited by BKelly95
Duplicate entries Music
So, there's a page for a band or a singer, and there are pages for some of their albums. Am I right that the tropes found in a specific song from an album that has its own page should be on the album's page? And then, what about tropes that appear throughout the singer's discography?
Specifically, I'd like to clean up Disturbed: it has a huge, cumbersome folder for lyrics tropes, and recently, another troper created pages for a couple of their albums. But I'm not sure how to go about, for example, Sanity Slippage Songs. They are kind of the band's shtick, appearing on pretty much every album, so it seems reasonable to mention this on the band's page; at the same time, The Sickness page probably needs to have an entry about "Down with the Sickness." Careful with That Axe is even worse: there's only a handful of Disturbed's songs in which this trope is not used. So, should duplicate entries be deleted from the band's page?
And while I'm at it, should tropes related to music videos be moved to album's pages, too, or should they stay on the band's page?
Do Tony Awards count as an AudienceReaction? Music
Over on Hadestown, there used to be a short sentence about how it won a bunch of Tonys and was one of only 4 productions to do so with the same person writing the book, lyrics, and music. This was deleted because an Audience Reaction is a no-no in the description, but the entry wasn't overly gushy about how it was so popular or anything like that. What do you guys think?
This was the original sentence: "The production won the Tony Award for Best Musical, becoming one of exactly four shows to win that had music, book and lyrics by a single person (the others being Drood, RENT and Hamilton)."
Edited by lalalei2001
Mohs Scale Pokemon Music
This might be a weird and hard-to-answer question, but on what level on the Mohs Scale of Rock and Metal Hardness are the battle themes of Team Yell(including those of Marnie and Piers) from Pokémon Sword and Shield considered to be? I've imagined the standard one to be around a 7 or 8 due to the somewhat abrasive multilayered electronic guitar, heavy and fast drums, and soft but bearing background bass. Marnie's is slower and has only one layer of guitar, so I'm thinking a 6 or low 7, but I'm not sure about Piers? Any decoders here?
Difference between two tropes Music
I wanted to add an example to YMMV.Hadestown about how Orpheus's original cocky, street-smart personality made the tragic ending come out of left field, which was noted by reviewers and audiences and led to his character changing in later productions. I wasn't sure if it would belong to Ass Pull or Shocking Swerve, though, and I'm unsure what the distinction between the two is. (If another trope would fit that, maybe in Trivia, that's cool too!)
Avoiding an Edit War on Clipping - Genre Shift and Ax Crazy Music
On clipping., the latest two albums are horror-inspired and take on a slasher track for the most part (John Carpenter movies, zombie flicks, et cetera).
The last track from their latest album is Cosmic Horror inspired and a big shift tonally from the slasher-inspired noise-rap of both albums - instead of slasher horror with industrial influences, it's a soundcloud-style rap with Existential Horror and Cosmic Horror, even name-dropping a Lovecraft God.
I added Genre Shift to reflect this, but In The Gallbladder removed it. I do want to make additional edits to the removed trope to clarify, but I don't want to get into an Edit War.
They also removed Ax-Crazy about a song that depicts three dead cops - I argue there's a protagonist killing them (the song mentions "he knew it was time to kill" and implies the last cop was trying to reach for a gun to shoot his attacker), but they say it's three different scenes.
Edited by FishiousRend
Hadestown namespace Music
Hadestown is currently put under Theatre.Hadestown, but it started life as a concept album, which would fall under Music, like how Music.Jesus Christ Superstar was an album before becoming a film/stage play and has redirects to both namespaces. With that in mind, what namespace should Hadestown fall under?
Edited by lalalei2001
Music.BlackstarAlbum gushing Music
I landed on ★ on a whim and I discovered a bit of gushing on the description and the tropes page, mostly related to how much praise it's gotten over years. I'm betting this is due to David Bowie kicking the bucket shortly after its release.
While I did find the description toned down now due to the post I made on the gushing cleanup thread, there's some tropes on the page that still stick out to me, mainly due to troping him as a person rather than the album.
- Bittersweet Ending: "I Can't Give Everything Away" is this to the album as well as David Bowie's career as a whole. He was eaten away by liver cancer, not knowing what his fate would be while recording ★, and died of the disease shortly after the album's release, but was still able to end things off with one hell of a bang.
- Dying Moment of Awesome: Bowie recorded ★ while battling a terminal case of cancer, which took his life two days after this album's official release.
- Face Death with Dignity: The album is essentially Bowie doing this, taking his impending death from cancer and turning it into a work of art.
Bittersweet Ending is NRLEP, but Dying Moment of Awesome and Face Death with Dignity might need to be looked over in the RL matinence thread for being gushy about people dying.
Edited by PlasmaPower
1000 Gecs page move? Music
There's a page for 1000 gecs, an album by the band 100 Gecs but no actual page for the band themselves. Additionally, their only output aside from the album so far is one EP. While I could see a page for the album being justifiable after further albums are released, it seems odd right now to have a page for their only album but not the creators. Should the 1000 Gecs page be cut and moved over to a new page for the band?
Edited by Pemulis_128
Which folder? Music
I was looking over Driving Song and I noticed that David Morgan's "Drive" (the theme song to Hardcastle and McCormick) wasn't listed. I considered adding it, but I'm not sure whether to put it under its actual musical genre or live-action television (due to being a theme song). How do I do this?
"Singing" the instrumental parts of a song Music
Do we have a trope for when people "sing" not only the actual lyrics, but also the instrumental parts of a song?
EXAMPLES: Think a load of Neil Diamond fans singing along at one of his concerts: "Sweet Caroline, Ba ba baa, Good times never seemed so good..."
Or a load of Welsh rugby fans on a high after Wales has won the match: "I saw the light on the night that I passed by her window, La la-la laa la-la la, I saw the flickering shadows of love on her blind"... through to: "My my my Delilah, (insert correct number of la's and laa's here) Why why why Delilah"...
Page with no examples Music
Ariel Pink contains no examples at all. What should be done with it?