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Is it worth splitting Pokémon remakes into their own pages? Videogame

I was just reading through Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire, and while it doesn't have a too-long warning, the ORAS folder is sizeable, and the remakes have significant story differences from the originals. I'm not sure about the other remakes, but Pokémon Let's Go, Pikachu! and Let's Go, Eevee! already have their own page.

Akiba's Trip Videogame

I was checking the history for Akiba's Trip: Undead & Undressed and found this was deleted by Hello 83433:

• Ending Aversion: In universe with Striprism. No one likes the last episode.

The editing reason was "misuse", but I know that the example is valid. I'm also aware that Ending Aversion has been renamed Audience-Alienating Ending. I think the problem is that the example as written doesn't really convey the trope very well. Would it be okay if I were to rewrite it?

I {=P Med=} Hello 83433 a week ago and haven't heard back.

Edited by BKelly95

Hidden Palace spoiler issue on the Sonic 2 pages. Videogame

So something I have noticed on the Sonic the Hedgehog 2 pages is that the spoiler status of Hidden Palace in the iOS/Android port is incredibly inconsistent, as it is hidden behind a spoiler filter on some pages and not on others. So what should we do about this? Is it a spoiler or not?

On one hand, Hidden Palace is a hidden level that is only accessed by a secret pit in Mystic Cave, meaning it was likely intended by the devs to be discovered blindly (making it a spoiler), on the other hand though, it is incredibly prominent in the marketing for the port (and in Sonic Origins), with Sega not attempting to hide the zone's existence, so what it is?

Personally, I think all mentions of the zone should be hidden behind spoilers (outside of pages where spoilers are off) since it was clearly intended to be a surprise, but I don't know for sure.

Edited by Tylerbear12

What counts as a "fighting game trope"? Videogame

For a while now Fighting Game Tropes has been edited by mostly me and another troper, grandefarao, indexing tropes that have significance to the genre. I feel though that there are some entries in there that don't really fit the bill; both Big Bad and The Hero were on there at one point, but I opted to remove those because they're both tropes that are so broad to writing that I didn't think they really fit in that index. Then there are more minor instances like Winged Humanoid which yes, does apply to a lot of FG characters, but isn't like a trope that's core or specific to the genre. I'm wondering what kind of discretion should be used for indexes like these, because I worry it'll become something very confused or bloated depending on what gets added.

Edited by IkeaHan

Unilateral Franchisewide Lumping Videogame

So Veriamo decided to migrate a bunch of entries from Xenoblade Chronicles, Xenoblade Chronicles 2, Xenoblade Chronicles X, and Xenoblade Chronicles 3 to aggregate franchise-wide pages many of which don't exist, supposedly in the name of removing clutter. Thing is, this results in an ugly-looking header full of red links, and also I don't think this was done with the approval of other editors, especially considering the forums have brought up that this kind of aggressive mass franchise-wide consolidation is actually causing problems in many cases.

Unusual formatting of YMMV pages Videogame

Most of YMMV pages for Tales Series games has an unusual formatting, namely a box at the top of the page with several links, that redirect to series-wide subpages for these tropes. See it here, for example. I think that it's convenient and want to add it elsewhere, but I've never seen this style of formatting anywhere else. Is this formatting style allowed?

Self-Fulling Spoilers and Avoiding Edit War Videogame

An entry in Touhou Hyouibana ~ Antinomy of Common Flowers originally read as:

However, someone changed it to: Because I realized this needs to deal with Self-Fulfilling Spoilers (something I've started working on), I later changed it to this: Nevertheless, someone reverted to this under the edit reason, "Redundant.": However, I have a suggestion. Partially to deal with Self-Fulfilling Spoilers, I would like to change it to: What do you all think? Should I make this change? If you have any suggestions, feel free to present them.

EDIT: Made a couple of suggested changes.

Edited by RandomTroper123

Should I put this under TearJerker or Woobie? Videogame

I have a habit of editing for the game Extracurricular Activities and I was wondering if I should make a Tear Jerker tab or add to the already existing Woobie tab? The example is a depressing moment in the game, but several other moments in the game are depressing and are used as Woobie justification.

Premature TNO Changes? Videogame

So I originally posted this in the discussion tab for the TNO Japan character page, but I didn't get any replies, so I decided to post it here.

For some context, last week the development team for the Hearts of Iron IV mod The New Order Last Days of Europe released a teaser for a future rework of their Japanese content (Japan is currently playable, but its story and gameplay are slated to be heavily revamped), including several new Prime Ministers that are not currently in the game. After this had happened, our character page was edited to reflect this teaser. The result is that the entries of almost every possible Japanese Prime Minister and associated characters that are currently in the game have been deleted, replaced with individuals who as of this writing only exist in the few teasers the development team has released.

To reiterate what I posted on the discussion tab, I don't think it's a good idea to to completely redo a character section to reflect a version of the mod that isn’t even out yet, and won’t be for some time; as it stands, this does not at all reflect the current experience players of the mod will have when playing Japan. Now, this isn't the first time this has happened. For example, Italy's page currently uses info from teasers rather than what is currently in the game, but I was willing to let that slide, since Italy's new content apparently isn't too far away from release, and most of the entries are still present on the page, since those characters will still be in the new content.

(Side note, feels weird to use the word "characters" for AU versions of real people, but hey.)

In summary, I think we should revert Japan's character page - and perhaps other pages with similar issues - so that it reflects what is currently playable, until such a time that the teased content is released.

Edited by KarkatTheDalek

Reorder Neverwinter Nights subpages Videogame

Long post incoming: this is another request from me about namespaces and titles, this time with the Neverwinter Nights video games. The video games involved are:

• Neverwinter Nights (AOL), a MMORPG released in 1991;
• Neverwinter Nights, the game from BioWare (they acquired the rights to the title from the devlopers of the 1991 and reused it for their own game);
• Neverwinter Nights 2, the sequel to the Bio Ware game (made by Obsidian Entertainment)
• Neverwinter, a MMORPG by Cryptic Studios and considered a spiritual third Neverwinter Nights game.

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This is how I'd personally solve the issues mentioned above. I'd need in particular a mod to help me solving the weird namespace issue. Final note: I know I'm throwing in a lot of work. So if someone agrees with my proposals, just telling me "yes" is enough. I don't expect them to help me at all costs just because they agreed.

Edited by gc10

Videogame series page rename proposal Videogame

Where can I propose a rename for a videogame series page? Is here a correct place to ask about it?

The thing is, we have a VideoGame.World Of Mana page, that works as a series-wide page for the Mana series. However, World of Mana is actually the name for a compilation of several games, released in 2006-2007. More than 2/3 of the series has nothing to do with this name. Both Wikipedia and the fan wiki call the series just "Mana". I think that the page should be moved to VideoGame.Mana Series, similarly to Trails Series and Soul Series, with World... being left as a redirect. Is it a good idea?

Name correcting question Videogame

I noticed recently a number of pages on the Fate/Grand Order page have the character of Altria Pendragon using Artoria or some variation of that over the games usage of Altria. Now, I don't like the name Altria and think it's dumb, but since that is what the games official localization was told to use, that's what we use.

I've been trying to correct entries using Artoria unless they point out the name being different or the translation behind it, but I'm not sure if there is an easier way to do that since I've just been going character page by character page and Control F, which isn't super reliable.

If not no big deal but was curious if there was an easier way to find them.

YMMV edits in samus returns and federation force : don't want to start and edit war Videogame

So forgive my interruption in the edits But Peabody Sam made some edits that insisted on readding the whole Samus essentially being worshipped thing... When it's never been really to the level a lot of people think. I would argue it never really existed to the level a lot think.

Last night at chow, Angseth starts talking about some bounty hunter and how she blew up a planet full of Space Pirates. I told her I didn't believe in fairy tales like that, and she took it personal. I just find it hard to believe that one person took out an entire Space Pirate base, that's all. But if she wants to believe in this Samus, or Bigfoot, or Santa Claus, she can. https://metroid.fandom.com/wiki/Trooper_Logs Yes totally worshipped by everyone. And even in Prime 3 when many of the NPC Federation soldiers just say things like "Sorry I can't talk right now" or "I'm busy". If they "worshipped" Samus, they would stop what they are doing just to speak with the Legendary Bounty Hunter.

From metroid prime 2 scan logs She's called the strongest warrior in the galaxy in things like this By sakamoto: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afUI8nIrGgI For reference a similar sentiment is echoed in several non-canon mangas... there's this manga of episode of aether Where the space pirate boss compares heroes to a fairy tale https://www.metroid-database.com/old_site/manga/?vid=22&cid=86#manga_top https://www.metroid-database.com/old_site/manga/?vid=22&cid=86#manga_top Like it's just a myth. She gets respect for her accomplishments yes, but only those that know she exists, it's very very far from characters like Chiaki Nanami from Danganronpa.

But okay, let's go in other m Anthony praised her, maurice showed awe at her missile power and james pierce (who is the mole) actually was friendly to her and all. It's just not true Who does demean her there is the colonel; who is implied to be using that to hide the illegal activities of the bottle ship He's corrupt, so of course he would have no respect She's help in high steem yes, but never close to being worshipped or anything... and she's seen as more of a myth than anything

https://metroid.fandom.com/ja/wiki/82E3%83E3%82E3%83E3%82E3%83E3%83%B3#.E3.82.AA.E3.83.95.E3.82.A3.E3.82.B7.E3.83.A3.E3.83.AB.E3.83.87.E3.83.BC.E3.82.BF But if Peabody Sam has sources to back his claims up, I'd love to hear them

Name for a spin-off page Videogame

I want to create a page for a SNES game based on the Slayers franchise, but I'm unsure how to name it. Since many pages for works with trivial/repeating names distinguish them with release dates, normally, I would name the page VideoGame.Slayers 1994. However, there is another game with the same name, released for PC-98, also in 1994. Should I name it something like VideoGame.Slayers SNES or VideoGame.Slayers SFC, or is there another practice for cases like this?

Edited by Veriamo

Sonic Character Page Videogame

I notice that Sonic The Hedgehog Other Protagonists and Sonic the Hedgehog - Recurring Characters have the many of the same characters on them. Given the former isn't indexed, I presume someone was splitting up pages and forgot to delete the original?

Characters grouped under one folder even though they are different Videogame

In Bendy and the Ink Machine the character folders for the toon versions of Bendy, Boris, and Alice are all grouped together with their ink versions as well as Allison and Tom, despite them all being completely different people and only sharing a base species. Would it be okay if i separated them into the correct subsections?

Edited by TheLuckOfTheClaws

"Tropes in Super Mario 64 (DS)" Videogame

I thought we had a thread on this already since it happened in the past, but apparently not, so here we go.

Tropes_Searcher has removed all of the tropes on Super Mario 64 to split them into subpages for the N64 and DS releases... again. I don't know if there was a page size warning at the time they did it this time, but it's still kind of an edit war anyway.

How to remove Unrelated articles from main article Videogame

So I'm fairly new to TV troops and I wanted to know something. You see, I made a article on the video game, Hopeless. I was going to go back and continue working on it since its incomplete. However, Someone added two unrelated article that were also called "hopeless." I was going to message them and tell them that they made a mistake, but I don't know if I'm suppose to do that Or if there's another way. So I want to know if theirs a way to remove unwanted or unrelated articles from the one article I made? should I contact the person who added the articles?

No Title Videogame

~Elias Q Funtybunt deleted this from The Stanley Parable:

• Indecisive Parody: In the Ultra Deluxe version, a large part of the new content is spent on the Narrator discussing the idea of sequels and how tacking on random, disconnected gags onto the already existing content does not substitute a good sequel. But then the game gives you the Bucket of Reassurance and spends most of its new content on reusing the existing paths and endings to make bucket-themed variations of them, effectively falling smack-dab into the pitfall it was previously mocking.

Their edit reason?

While I appreciate the reference to Raphael, the example as written seems to be exactly what an Indecisive Parody is, and the edit reason comes off as a largely opinion-based reason to axe it.

Also, are Troper pings (the forum ones) working on these Query pages now? I've seen a few Tropers and even mods use the markup, but at some point people stopped saying "hey that doesn't work here", and if this update was mentioned only on the Forums, I barely use them lmao

Never Live It Down misuse? Videogame

I found this in YMMV.Final Fantasy XIV

• Never Live It Down:
  • Dragoons being weak (that is, easily killed), carrying over their glorious reputation from Final Fantasy XI.^note Due to the fact that Dragoons in XI had pet Wyverns, their attack power was low to keep them balanced. Problem was that in endgame content, the Wyverns tended to die quickly, leaving Dragoons to rely on solely on their own low attack power. In the original version of XIV, their signature jump attacks had an animation lock that left them vulnerable to attacks. But while this was fixed in ARR, the damage was already done. This, as well as being considered overshadowed by the other melee classes (since Dragoons lack in utility and suffer from a lower than average magical defense, whereas every end-game fight deals a lot of magical damages) has gotten to the point where players have requested a buff for the job. To address the issues, numerous patches enhanced the Dragoon, reducing their animation lock, increasing significantly their magical defense and making one move less dependant on player's position, making them easier to play overall.

This seems more like a misplaced Tier-Induced Scrappy or Memetic Loser entry,^note In fact, if you relabeled this entry under either of those tropes, you couldn't tell it was originally placed under NLID and doesn't explain how fans exaggerate the class's weaknesses and disregard its strengths. I also don't know if this talking about 1.0 or ARR in the last sentence, since the note already mentioned ARR reducing the animation lock for Dragoons.

Also, Sarcasm Mode pothole.