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open Edit War going on in WMG/SuperSmashBrosUltimateSpiritIdeas Videogame
The WMG page for Super Smash Bros. Ultimate has a section dedicated to people sharing Spirit Battle ideas, with there being three sub-pages for organization: One for franchises that are already in the game, another for games not in the game (organized by parent company), and one that's basically "anything else goes, even for non video game characters".
However, recently a user by the name of Leirdo has been repeatedly deleting other peoples' entries and writing in arbitrary "rules" that were never enforced or discussed by other editors or moderators. These "rules" are written as the following:
- Don't Add characters that don't first debut as Video Game characters (even Characters that first debut in non video game adaptations of Video games). (EX:Ash Ketchum, Escargoon, and Christopher Thorndyke) nor video game characters owned by Non video game companies (EX:Kingdom Hearts Characters) and companies that have never been on a nintendo console.
- Make sure the spirit battle references match the characters.
In response to me bringing back the entries that he's deleted in the name of his "rules", he sent me a message claiming that I and other editors involved with the page "should be punished" for removing his edits.
I believe that action should be taken against Leirdo for his unruly behavior.
EDIT: Removed the full DM and paraphrased some of it instead.
Edited by MarthOfTheMoonopen Anti-Anti Bowser Jr. Videogame
Wicked Bowser Jr has basically whitewashed Bowser Jr.'s character page to remove any negative character traits on it. Also, those are their only edits.
openThe Last of Us Part II review issues with Xilinoc Videogame
Xilinoc decided to repost his deleted review of The Last of Us Part II by linking a pastebin. That and his response to the criticism he received from this leads me to think he didn't learn his lesson from the first time.
Edited by VeryMelonopenMore Paper Mario Malarkey Videogame
Looking at Salamander Skull, half of their edits are focused on a classic you've probably heard before: "old Paper Mario good, new Paper Mario bad". Normally that wouldn't be very suspect, except the account was recent enough to get the New indicator when it first cropped up in my Watchlist. Additionally, some of their edits are very Wall of Text-y and Word Cruft-y.
openHostile edit reasons from troper. Videogame
On 1/01 Mr Heroes added the following meme to the Fate/Grand Order meme page:
- Muramasa is ShirouExplanation While he takes Shirou's form, Muramasa isn't Shirou. A running gag is having Muramasa mistaken/called Shirou, which is popular with fan artists.
On 1/04, Rebel Falcon removed it with an unusually hostile edit reason spread across a few minutes:
- "For the last time, Muramasa is Shiro. Muramasa is a Pseudo-Servant using Shiro as his host, and his bio quite literally says that Shiro's personality is the dominant one. He doesn't simply look like Shiro, he is Shiro."
- Saying Muramasa isn't Shiro is like saying Ishtar isn't Rin, or Jaguar Warrior isn't Taiga, or Ganesha isn't Jinako. It's literally their bodies and personalities, its just some have themselves in the drivers seat, some have the spirit, and some fuse together. Bottom line though, Muramasa is fucking Shiro Emiya.
Now in the first instance, this was done because it appears Rebel may have submitted their edit early, cutting off the message as the first of three edits has this edit reason: For the last time, ''Muramasa is Shiro".
However, the third entry was made after the second, more detailed one, and was close to ten minutes later. The meme itself is probably fine being removed but the edit reason is very hostile and leaves me concerned since this is something I've noticed seems to be a recent trend of there's.
For example, on the RWBY page, they readded an entry on 1/03 that was removed with the following edit reason: "Don't remove shit without giving a reason."
I've not had much interaction with Rebel except for once but I wanted to mention it since this hostility is concerning. Not to suspend them concern, more so just a "Hey, everything okay?" kind of concern.
Edited by keyblade333openWoolooShepherdG-00 vs. Luigi Videogame
Quite possibly the oddest thing I've reported on, but...
WoolooShepherdG-00 seems to be editing on a "Death didn't rip Luigi's soul out of his body" agenda (in reference to an event that happened in Simon and Richter's joint reveal trailer for Super Smash Bros. Ultimate).
Also for some reason they removed two of Luigi's aliases on Pantheon.Unpopularity so I have no clue if he's for or against Luigi ¯_(ツ)_/¯
openTroper with severe grammar issues, unwilling to improve Videogame
jikoh has been editing several pages pertaining to Honkai Impact 3rd for months on end now, but most, if not all, of their edits are littered with horrendous grammar and pothole abuse. I have sent them several notifiers over the months in hopes of redirecting them to the "Get Help With English Here" thread, but they obviously aren't listening.
I don't care if they're not a native English speaker, nor if they contribute to a lot of entries. There is a standard to meet, and jikoh certainly doesn't meet that. It's unfair for tropers like 4tell0life4 to always clean up after their mess, and one of their latest edit reasons, "Edit it greater, please.", doesn't endear them.
openDo we consider Super Smash Bros. to be a fighting game? Videogame
I ask this because I see that twofistguy has been moving examples about this series on trope pages from fighting game folders into miscellaneous folders, on the grounds of "Smash isn't a fighting game".
openSock of extreme SingleIssueWonk. Videogame
I'm pretty sure Joe Might Faint and skiesblind are the same person. It'd really astound me if there were really two separate people who were so hellbent on declaring the protagonist of that game not-male they'd make an account solely to change one line of text.
Edited by SammettikopenOn Scorpider77 Videogame
Scorpider77 seems like a good troper in all respects, except one; he seems to have this wonk over Mario and Luigi: Paper Jam 2 and keeps talking about how everyone is clamoring for it and linking to its page.
There's just one problem: the game doesn't exist. While his non Mario edits are fine, anything pertaining to Mario (Bowser Jr.'s Journey, Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam and YMMV.Mario And Luigi Paper Jam, and YMMV.Mario Plus Rabbids Sparks Of Hope, among others) keeps having him throw in references to this nonexistent game, culminating in him making a since-cut page for it on the 11th of this month.
He also DMed me a link to a tweet that allegedly shows the proof of this clamoring (along with saying the game exists and Nintendo hasn't found the time to reveal it, stated with no proof whatsoever), except it's an analytics link - which can only be seen by the person who made the tweet. So he's shilling both himself and a nonexistent game to the detriment of factual information.
openNo Citation on the RE4 Remake dog's status Videogame
While we generally avoid Speculative Troping, the status of the dog caught in the bear trap from Resident Evil 4 (Remake) is getting... frustrating. To wit:
- Oct. 20, 2022: Wowowow adds a "Death by Adaptation" entry about the dog already dead ("wolf" here) by the time Leon reaches the spot where the bear trap would be on the path leading into the village.
- Oct. 27, 2022: I removed it due to it being Speculative Troping, especially that IGN had gotten pushback for tweeting that assumption, when the game wasn't out yet.
- Nov. 15, 2022: Blue Monday 1984 adds it back in with no edit reason.
- Nov. 15, 2022: Hello 83433 later removes the Death By Adaptation entry, noting correctly that we don't know if it's the same dog.
- Mar. 9, 2023: Yuka Takeuchi Fan adds a variation of it back in under Darker and Edgier (I think, judging by the lines), with the phrasing still assuming that it's the same dog.
- Mar. 9, 2023: I later put that under "No citation", again citing we're still speculating.
- Mar. 9, 2023: torru369 later removes the "No citation" mark up, and while their edit reason states "it's definitely a Mythology gag at the very least," it's not moved to under Mythology Gag.
- Mar. 11, 2023: Crow T R0bot then adds the "dog died" entry back in under Death By Adaptation.
- Mar. 14, 2023: Silverblade 2 puts the dog caught in the bear trap under "No citation" again.
- Mar. 14, 2023: 9thOutworldsMan then later removes the "No citation" mark up.
I had started up a discussion, but had gotten no responses. While 4 Remake is out this Friday, March 24, it's still speculative troping.
Edited by eagle108openDubious Removals Videogame
Vulkus removed a decently large amount of spoiler tags and commented-out ZCEs on Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story. While some of the removals are reasonable (such as the spoiler about Luigi sleeping through the battle tutorial), others were valid spoiler-tags about content from near the end of the game, which has resulted in the page looking (more) inconsistent about what's spoiler-worthy or not (sometimes things are spoiled, sometimes they aren't, and sometimes the spoilers are written around), while some of the removed ZCEs like The Dragon and Dual Boss were also tropes that did occur in the game and just hadn't been elaborated on.
Unsure just how widespread this is, but this edit on Mega Man 11 seems to be of a similar nature.
openPersonal Venting in YMMV? Videogame
Zoic Alcelaphine has been adding a great deal of lengthy edits to the YMMV page of ''Undertale'' that read to me like personal venting rather than proper descriptions and summaries of opinions held by a portion of the fanbase, as the page is meant for. A bunch of them also come off as Darker and Edgier or Ron the Death Eater interpretations. We've had other problems with editors around this time adding such charged entries onto the page for Sans.
From my own experiences with the fanbase, and asking others still in it, these do not seem to be widely-held opinions.
openPossible editing with an agenda? Videogame
So I'm a bit worried about this entry, since the issue it's discussing is only around 7 months old, and I don't want to come across as if I'm taking sides.
The troper Chrononaut70 appears to have made a few edits on the YMMV pages for Mafia III and Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, both of which seem to have some sort of agenda in regards to BLM.
On December 11th 2020, he edited a (now deleted) entry for Harsher in Hindsight, changing it from:
- "The re-release of Mafia III as the Definitive Edition in 2020 comes during a time of Civil Rights protests, protests against Police Brutality, and intense backlash against white nationalism (particularly Neo-Confederate)."
To, with the reason "Since there is a lot of rioting, looting and vandalism in addition to protests, I think it's appropriate to bring these things up":
- The re-release of Mafia III as the Definitive Edition in 2020 comes during a time of riots, protests, unrest, and intense backlash against racism (perceived or not).
He also changed this sentence on the same day, changing "black men" to "men of all races":
- Police Brutality is a thing that black men deal with every day. Lincoln is frequently harassed and sometimes even attacked for just being in the "wrong" neighborhood.
On the GTA:SA page, five days after the Mafia III edits, he edited this paragraph on a Harsher in Hindsight entry:
- Then came the George Floyd protests in 2020, where a fatal choking by law enforcement and several other factors lead to protests that had a tendency of turning violent and spreading to cities outside of Minnesota, one of which was Los Angeles. It also didn't help that the line "Take it off, please, I can't breathe, please!" said by CJ as he was inside Tenpenny's police cruiser sounds disturbingly similar to the one George Floyd said when he was pleading for his life.
Changing it to this entry that, in my opinion, leans on Victim Blaming:
- Then came the George Floyd unrest in 2020, where a fatal accident due to the subject's awful health, drug overdose, and several other factors lead to protests that had a tendency of turning violent and spreading to cities outside of Minneapolis, one of which was Los Angeles. It also didn't help that the line "Take it off, please, I can't breathe, please!" said by CJ as he was inside Tenpenny's police cruiser sounds disturbingly similar to the one George Floyd said when he was pleading for his life while acting very erratically and resisting arrest.
I have edited the aforementioned entry back to be a bit more neutral. I'm not the most educated when it comes to BLM, but from his entries, I get the sense that he's trying to brush out discussions about racism against African-Americans, which I find strange because the pages he's edited on are for games with African-American protagonists. I just thought I'd get others' opinions about it first because I'm not sure if this is a recurring issue or not.
openDefiance to ZCE notice and edit war on BadassGay entry Videogame
I saw this coming from a mile away. Fireboltprime uncommented a folder I originally commented out because its sole trope was a ZCE, then added more tropes "to appease the overlord". Not exactly a bad move, but they did not elaborate on Red Oni, Blue Oni, which is grounds for edit war and non-compliance with Zero-Context Example. Also, they re-added Badass Gay, which I deleted twice because two other tropers added it prior to Fireboltprime. Is it just me, or do most of these tropers come out of the woods, ignorant that Badass Gay has been cut since a while ago? Not to mention that I explicitly stated in my edit reasons that Badass Gay is no longer a trope.
openProblems with Rayman subpages Videogame
This is gonna be a long entry, but the subpages for the franchise Rayman are, in short, a horrible mess.
We have Rayman for the franchise, then every video game in its own page, which makes sense. But how these pages are divided is an entirely different story:
- First of all, the first Rayman game is in Rayman (1995): the year should be added in the namespace only if there are two identical work sharing the same exact name. In the case of "first installment of franchise", it's simply added a I or 1: see Duke Nukem, Quake, Mortal Kombat 1.
- Then there's Rayman 2. The url is actually just VideoGame/Rayman2, but then the subtitle is added through a custom wikiword. Custom wikiwords have be used in the case of special characters or irregular uppercase/lowercase, not to specify the complete title of a work: in this case, the complete title is used in the namespace, then the shortened title is a redirect. A correct example: Oblivion is a redirect to The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion. For further confusion, Rayman 2: The Great Escape with the complete title in the namespace exists as redirect.
- Rayman 3: Hoodlum Havoc is the only correct example: the page is located in a namespace with the full title, then Rayman 3 exists as a redirect.
The true problems start with the character sheet. I'm honestly amazed how it was organised, looks like it was done on purpose to be as messy as possible.
The page follows the organisation "Characters are added in the characters sheet of the first game they appeared", like Mortal Kombat. However... all the three actual characters subpages of the links I put above are redirect to Rayman, the main index for the characters sheets of the entire franchise. And then, the characters subpages are named differently so that they don't match their Video Game page and can't be accessed directly (!). The characters subpage for Rayman (1995) is found in Rayman, the one for Rayman 2 (whose complete title is only a custom wikiword) in Rayman 2: The Great Escape (whose complete title is part of the namespace) and the one for Rayman 3: Hoodlum Havoc in Rayman 3.
I intend to put order in this entire mess. What I plan is: move everything related to the first game in Rayman (there's no need for the year in the namespace since there's no other work called simply Rayman), move everything from the second and third game to Rayman 2: The Great Escape and Rayman 3: Hoodlum Havoc respectively, then keep VideoGame/Rayman2 and VideoGame/Rayman3 as redirects.
EDIT: Also, Characters/Rayman M will be a redirect to Rayman Party Games instead.
Edited by gc10openHello9876 strikes again Videogame
This one troper wants to start an edit war over the YMMV/Mortal Kombat 11 page. Apparently any edit that doesn't agree with them is "biased" or "unnecessary", even though "biased" describes most of their edits pretty well.
They insist on redoing the second entry of Internet Backdraft with vocabulary that strays away from the entry's neutrality. I reverted it once, and just a few minutes after, they reverted it back to their own. And then there's them restoring the "Boner Culture" entry on Memetic Mutation, which has many reasons to not be there.
Any input of what should be done? This is not the first time this user behaves like this.
EDIT: Since someone bumped this, here's some backstory (some of which was mentioned in the first private ATT about them)
Hello 9876 has a history of edits with Word Cruft, redundancy and political and/or personal bias against certain matters, including gratuitous jabs at whatever stance/figure they don't like. They seem fixated on YMMV pages, since it's where they can "get away" with most of this behavior. This didn't just happen in Mortal Kombat 11´s page, mind you, but in pages such as Apex Legends´, Battlefield V´s and most recently, Doom Eternal´s, all of which have been reverted by now (and fortuntately not edit-warred over). I don't even want to look at what's going on with Red Hood and the Outlaws´s YMMV page (they really seemed to "like" it, as most of their edit history happened there before shifting to Mortal Kombat 11)
Here's an example of what this troper can do when not contained by the rest of the editors, the aforementioned "Boner Culture" entry, but back when Hello 9876 first added it on February 21:
- Boner Culture [[labelnote:Explanation]] Reactionary pro-Gamer Gate website One Angry Gamer wrote an article bemoaning the costume changes for female characters (including Jade and Skarlet), claiming that a move away from awkward sexualized costumes to those that are more distinct and intimidating was an attack on "boner culture" made solely to appease leftists and centrists. The outrage (and implications of necrophilia) became a point of mockery for many in the gaming community, spawning numerous endless memes and parodies.
Edited by perezman
openMega Man 11 and it's page editors starting verge on right great wrongs. Videogame
Okay. So, I haven't really been getting into the situation going on at all so it might be blown out of proportion compared to what I've been hearing but Mega Man 11's pages are having a minor problem right now where people are attempting to scrub any criticisms about the game on its YMMV page. (Especially in regards to its art style)
Now, it's nowhere near major or anything but I have noticed a tread that anything negative said against the game tends to disappear from the YMMV page shortly afterward. This is especially true in regards to the game's art-style, with anyone who lists that some people still prefer the 8-bit styles of Mega Man 9 and Mega Man 10 getting their examples removed with the most explanation being "No, they don't. Everyone likes the new art style despite multiple different users attempts towards listing the contrary".
I get that Mega Man hasn't had a game in a very long while so people are skittish about bringing up faults but TV Tropes is not a place for Righting Great Wrongs.
Edited by TokoWHopenStrange vandalism (?) on Metroid Zero Mission Videogame
The user DOBLEDEDO made some edits to Metroid: Zero Mission claiming that Samus is captured (and handcuffed) in a sequence near the end, where she loses her Power Suit.
Aside from being untrue as far as I can tell (the cutscene shows her ship crashing, and she begins outside the enemy ship next to her own wrecked ship; I haven't found any sort of supplemental material which contradicts this)...the user's edit history has a strange theme.
EDIT: They've made a second edit, talking about a "prison level", which definitely doesn't exist.
That is to say, every single edit they've made (which granted is only about a dozen, back in 2018 until this one four years later) is about a female character being captured and restrained (which, if that's their thing, fair enough; but there's a time and a place).
Edited by Bisected8
So i was reading the YMMV page for the cancelled Video Game/Hyenas, and i came across the following example of memetic mutation:
The part "common exclamation for sudden dismay or frustration—making it seem like the writer of the slogan got into some unfortunate incident and couldn't finish writing it. " really bugged me, this whole sentence felt really weird. That feels terribly specific and it's overall just a clunky piece of writing.
So i decided to investigate on google for "hyenas "join the ack" " and my suspicious were validated, all of the results containing the phrase where from Kiwi Farms and 4chan, with true context of this "Ack" that the troper pretends it's a "common exclamation for sudden dismay or frustration—making" was actually a mockery of the suicide of transgender individuals, one other example of "join the ack" that i found was an steam user making a community post with this as the title and going full transphobe.
Now, the point i'm trying to make is that based on my research, there is absolutely no way KB Zheng 123 didn't know what the context of that was about, which means they intentionally and knowingly added a transphobic joke to the site and tried to pass off as a regular joke, and that requires action by the moderators, as there should be zero tolerance for transphobia and transphobic users in this site.