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  • Arc Fatigue:
    • Jason continues to be hung up on his death and resentful towards the Batfamily, bringing it up in every issue in the Rebirth series, even during Artemis's Day in the Limelight. It's even more jarring when compared to books he guest-stars in, where he's portrayed as having undergone progress.
    • The "Smart Bizarro" arc ran for 12 issues at glacial pacing, to the detriment of Artemis and Jason's plotlines.
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  • Ass Pull: Wingman's identity being Willis Todd. While there was foreshadowing to him being alive in the issues leading up to the reveal, all of it pointed towards Solidary being his identity, up to his obsession with Red Hood and knowledge about his past. There was absolutely no foreshadowing or explanation as to how he received his training, or why Jason didn't recognize him as his (unmasked) limo driver during his "Prince of Gotham" phase.
  • Author's Saving Throw: Crux, who was originally intended to be the fourth member of the Outlaws, has a Heel–Face Turn near the end of the run which could be considered this.
  • Awesome Art:
    • Rocafort's run as penciler for the book, his backgrounds were breath-taking (when he bothered to draw backgrounds).
    • Dexter Soy has also been praised for his art in the Rebirth revival of the series.
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  • Badass Decay: Prior to the series, Jason was portrayed as a Well-Intentioned Extremist who planned ahead and was willing to kill to accomplish what he thought was necessary. In both the The New 52 and DC Rebirth series, Jason merely describes himself as a "bad guy", but actually spends most of his time angsting over having to follow Batman's rules. Somehow getting to this point with no redemption arc or Heel Realization from his previous mass-murdering activities.
  • Base-Breaking Character:
    • Red Hood. Some don't like the change and preferred his more ruthless characterization from his Pre-Flashpoint days. Others like the change and character development, prefer him separate from the batman family, and have his own adventures, and a third group also likes the change but find the writing subpar.
    • Artemis as well. Many fans are overjoyed that she's given focus after years of being Put on a Bus and like her chemistry with Jason, but some Wonder Woman fans hate that Artemis has been relegated to replacing Starfire as the token Ms. Fanservice and as an object of lust for Jason.
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  • Best Known for the Fanservice: Putting aside the quality of the writing, few would deny that this series offers plenty of this, thanks to the gratuitous shots of Starfire (and later Artemis), Jason and Roy. Kenneth Rocafort's tenure in the book in particular.
  • Broken Base:
    • For Volume 1
      • The first issue was highly controversial and caused many fans to judge the series as unlikeable (Jason), shallow and sex-obsessed (Starfire), amongst other terms. Some fans feel that the book has since fixed a few of these preconceptions. Others, however, still find the writing to be subpar.
      • Issue 18 gives closure to Jason's issues with Bruce and mends their relationship. Some liked this issue, finding it genuinely heartwarming and one of the better examples of Lobdell's writing. Others find Bruce's Easily Forgiven acceptance of Jason's lethal methods to be a cop-out, and a thinly-veiled excuse to include Jason in more Batfamily events.
      • The fact that the pre-Rebirth incarnation of the title and its sequel Red Hood/Arsenal both deal with Jason becoming a less antagonistic figure and mending fences with the rest of the Batfamily: A interesting, welcome bit of character development that results in several heartwarming moments? A decent concept let down by bad writing and rushed development? Or an utter train-wreck that does nothing but make Jason a Karma Houdini and Creator's Pet?
      • There are heated discussions on Twitter regarding Jason's sexuality. Some argue that the character should be bisexual, due to numerous Ho Yay moments in this and previous Red Hood stories, while others insist having him be bi would be too big a departure from the character. And then there are others who say just having some Ho Yay moments doesn't equate to actual being attracted to the same-sex, and just consider the Ho Yay moments as fanservice.
      • The replacement of Roy and Joker's Daughter in favor of Artemis and Bizarro for DC Rebirth. Some think a change is sorely needed after years of Seasonal Rot, while others don't think that Scott Lobdell can effectively write those characters.
    • For Volume 2
      • Reception towards the DC Rebirth series has been more mixed than the previous series: some think it's a genuine improvement, some say it to be only So Okay, It's Average and only comes off as favorable when compared to the low bar of the previous run, and others find that it has done nothing to improve its status as one of DC's worst ongoings.
      • Jason's promise of not killing to Bruce in Volume 2 disappointed those who expected the return of a more brutal Red Hood.
      • The Annual with Jason and Dick bonding has split a few fandoms. Some enjoyed seeing the brotherly relationship being played out. Some dislike that elements of Tim's backstory (mainly, him seeing the Flying Graysons as a child) were given to Jason. And then there are some who aren't fond of Jason having a positive relationship with any of the Batfamily due to Fandom Rivalry, especially towards Nightwing.
      • Jason's new "Outlaw" outfit, as of issue #25. Many still mourn the loss of the more traditional leather jacket and helmet worn until then, seeing it as an iconic look for the character. As the series progressed, however, the outfit grew on many readers and has established a modest fanbase. The fact that it has become his "main" outfit in later storylines only continues to further divide the base.
      • Fans are divided on the direction of the 'Outlaw' arc, between those who like the idea of a Darker and Edgier Anti-Villain Jason, and those who find that the execution falls flat on its face and doesn't fix any of the problems of the previous runs.
      • Jason's involvement in DC Year of the Villain when he became a teacher is rife with this, with many wanting the kids gone and would rather only have Artemis and Bizarro on the team.
  • Cliché Storm: Both the New 52 and Rebirth series check off a number of cliches, including a bitter loner with daddy issues who eventually learns The Power of Friendship, a Stripperific warrior woman who is often drawn for Male Gaze, villains who frequently monologue about their motivations during the climax, and numerous The Chosen One references.
  • Designated Hero:
    • Many readers felt that the series' portrayals of Jason, Roy and Kori did not come across as heroic in any shape or form. Then again, they never identified themselves as heroes.
    • The Dark Trinity version of the team plays with this trope, with the Outlaws playing the role of criminals to take down Gotham's underworld from the inside.
  • Die for Our Ship: Isabel returning was not accepted by fans of Jason/Artemis, Jason/Starfire, or any other ships.
  • Dork Age: Despite running for almost ten years (with Red Hood/Arsenal taken into account) the general consensus has been that Jason Todd is better off dead than continuing to be written by Scott Lobdell.
  • Ensemble Dark Horse:
    • Lobdell's take on Killer Croc has become quite popular among fans by giving him a rarely seen depth.
    • Bizarro is well-liked for being an Iron Woobie with a heart of gold, even among readers who find the other two characters completely unlikeable. In fact, the reception of the series dropped sharply when Bizarro departed the book.
    • Cloud 9 is the most liked of all the metahumans Jason teaches for her cool design and plucky attitude.
  • Fandom Rivalry: It's a well-known running joke that fans of this particular series get extremely salty over the good critical and financial reception over Grayson and Nightwing.
  • Fan-Preferred Couple:
    • Jason/Roy is a major ship, partly thanks to several Ho Yay moments between the two and partly due to Jason's lack of love interests, and partly due to the Relationship Writing Fumble of Roy and Kori.
    • As of Rebirth Jason/Artemis has quickly become the fan favorite, with Bizarro being their adopted son type.
  • Fanon Discontinuity:
    • The issue 0 revealing that the Joker basically orchestrated Jason's becoming Robin and his death (as in even Jason finding his mom). Suffice to say, many don't like it, since the Joker comes off as a Villain Sue, and out of character, and outright ignore it. As of DC Rebirth, it is no longer canon.
    • Same said for Arsenal's new backstory of being a snotty child prodigy with a neglectful alcoholic dad.
    • Jason's interactions with the Batfamily are often ignored by most Batman fans, due to how out-of-character the others seem. Notably, this even applies to many fans that like Jason who feel that while the idea behind the series was promising, the execution was poorly handled, rushed, and relied on telling instead of showing.
    • Starfire newest ongoing allows for fans to ignore her history with the boys.
  • Fetish Retardant: Some of the impossible poses that Starfire pulled off during her tenure on the team. They were meant to be sexy, but to many readers, they looped back around to being hilarious.
  • Fridge Logic:
    • For Volume 1
      • Reactions to Starfire's characterization in the first issue were extremely poor. She's depicted as a character only in the book to be an emotionless Ms. Fanservice with no apparent attachment to any of her former friends, and abruptly has sex with Roy for no real reason, whilst Jason also implies that he had slept with her as well, even making a joke about her breasts ("a pair of 38's") before she makes her initial appearance. Issue 6, which recounts how Starfire and Jason met, is an attempt to remedy Starfire's initial characterization, which Retcons Jason's dialogue of being "with her" to mean that they had simply spent a night talking, with no sexual intimacy at all. It's also hinted that she may have been faking her memory problems all along, although the first issue has her explicitly narrating to herself about her inability to tell humans apart.
    • For Volume 2
      • Batman believing that Jason would kill the mayor in the Rebirth issue makes zero sense, given that Jason is not known to kill innocent people, at least not intentionally. Although, taking into consideration the events that occurred in the previous seriesnote , Batman probably assumed the worst: that Jason had gone off-kilter again. It doesn't help that Jason didn't tell him of his real plan (curing the mayor of a techno-organic virus), which probably added to Batman's paranoia. The constant distrust Batman unwittingly casts towards Jason is also one of the themes explored going into the series.
      • Black Mask isn't bothered by Jason refusing to kill (despite the fact that he was shown shooting the mayor in public), and makes him the heir to his crime empire after a few minutes of conversation. Either he's carrying a major Villain Ball, or he's baiting Jason hard, in which case the latter would be carrying an even bigger Idiot Ball.
  • He Panned It, Now He Sucks!:
    • Starting with the first issue, the series had received highly negative reviews, with a wide list of criticisms which included (but was not limited to) the one-dimensional portrayal of Starfire, prompting fans who like the comic to defend the writer and lash out against criticisms of the book.
    • While the DC Rebirth series has generally been received better than previous runs, it's still drawn criticism, resulting in fans harassing reviewers who didn't like it.
  • Hilarious in Hindsight:
    • In Kingdom Come we were introduced to an older version of Lian (Roy's daughter from the old continuity) who went by the alias Red Hood, written long before Roy and Jason interacted much if at all. This could also count as Heartwarming in Hindsight, if Lian is ever born in this continuity it's entirely possible that Jason, who has now teamed up with her father, will be a prominent figure in her life and would actually give her a reason to take up the name.
    • Many readers note that Jason comes across as an Unintentionally Unsympathetic "hero" who is often written like an angstier pastiche of Dick Grayson, which was the original reason voters called in to kill him in the first place. Further exemplified with DC Rebirth, in which Jason going undercover to take down a villainous organization, something that Dick Grayson has already been doing to much critical acclaim. Even more hilarious after Nightwing (Rebirth)'s 50th issue where Dick took a Darker and Edgier attitude and fans can't help compare him to Jason.
  • Ho Yay: The second Annual in which Jason and Roy team up again was dripping with this.
  • It's Not Supposed to Win Eisners: A common sentiment among readers is that they're only reading for flashy action scenes, one which Scott Lobdell shares.
  • Les Yay: Between Artemis and her friend Akila, it's never shown or said if they were lovers but it is heavily implied.
  • Memetic Mutation:
    • Scott Lobdell's tendency to litter pages with dozens of exposition boxes describing in detail the characters' backgrounds, actions, and feelings in explicit detail is often mocked.
    • The various impossible and/or "sexy" poses Star does in the first issue are often parodied by replacing her with male characters doing the same poses. See here for an example.
    • Jason attempting to "steal" all of Nightwing's red-heads, too little success (other than Roy).
    • Team Carrot-Top note 
    • Jason stole someone's costume again. note 
    • At one point Starfire is drawn with a rather emoticon looking facial expression. Tumblr exploded.
    • The anti-hero "Outlaw" outfit for Jason. The Internet made numerous comparisons to Mortal Kombat, Shredder, and Coldsteel the Hedgeheg.
  • Mis-blamed: Scott Lobdell's most die-hard fans are eager to blame editorial, or other writers, for writing missteps. However, multiple interviews confirm that Lobdell's Rebirth run (which was decently well-received in relation to his body of work as a whole) had its direction, the roster make-up, and even some of the creative decisions tightly controlled by editorial. Lobdell himself has admitted that he often doesn't bother planning story arcs in advance, or doing research on characters that he's writing.
  • No Such Thing as Bad Publicity: The controversy over Starfire's portrayal in the first issue generated a lot of online discussion for a book that would most likely have been forgotten otherwise in the wave of New 52 #1s, which most likely helped the book avoid cancellation until Convergence, despite poor reviews. It drew quite a bit of attention from readers who opposed the feminist leanings of many comic journalists while creating a straw man against anyone who gave the book poor reviews. In contrast, the sequel series Red Hood/Arsenal and the DC Rebirth series have been relatively uncontroversial, and have seen diminishing returns on sales numbers.
  • One True Threesome: A huge wave of fanart for the series appeared after the title had ONLY been announced and the trio are shown together. It helps that in issue one Starfire has sex with Roy and Jason states he'd "been with" her adding more fuel to the fire. Issue six later reveals this to have been spending the entire night talking with her though. Notably, this remains a consistent element found on fanart of the series, a trend that continues even after the team's separation.
  • Overshadowed by Controversy: There is a lot of discussion regarding Scott Lobdell's history of sexual harassment, stalking, and racist comments, along with reports that senior staffers are told to keep him away from young female employees during company meetings. Adding further to the controversy are die-hard Red Hood fans who've harassed the women online for speaking out. The fact that Lobdell is friends with Editor-in-Chief Bob Harras (who is known for playing favorites and protecting sexual harassers) complicates this controversy further.
  • Pandering to the Base: The so-called "assassin training" with All-Caste seems to add more to "who would win" arguments on Internet forums than the book itself. It's part of the reason why Jason is frequently labeled a Creator's Pet.
  • Portmanteau Couple Name: Joyfire for when all three are being shipped. Redfire is occasionally used for the Jason/Kori only ship, meanwhile Joy gets used for the Jason/Roy only ship. Roy/Starfire doesn't really have an official one but you'll occasionally see Royfire, and less commonly Arrowfire or Arrow-Star. And Jaytemis for those who ship Jason and Artemis in the Rebirth relaunch.
  • Relationship Writing Fumble: General consensus on the Roy and Starfire relationship is that it's forced and feels like an obvious response to the criticism of the series' early portrayal of Starfire as a nympho without agency. At the same time, the nature of the Questionable Consent of their first meeting is why many criticize the relationship in the first place.
  • Seasonal Rot: For those who didn't hate the Rebirth run, the series took a sharp downward turn with #25, with Bizarro out of the picture, and Jason going solo as a '90s Anti-Hero.
  • Shocking Swerve: The reveal that Wingman is Willis Todd is this, considering all the foreshadowing that Solidary is supposed to be Willis Todd and even Ma Gunn is shown to recognize Solidary as the former. See Ass Pull above.
  • So Bad, It's Good: Much of the dialogue falls into this category, especially in the Rebirth series, with lines like "you're like 50 shades of grating" achieving Memetic Mutation thanks to its Narm.
  • So Okay, It's Average: The series relaunch in Rebirth has been hailed by some improvement over the New 52 launch.
  • Squick
    • Starfire's treatment as a nymphomaniac with the memory of a goldfish drew no shortage of backlash. See Unfortunate Implications for more information.
    • Scott Lobdell's not-so-subtle implication that he viewed Jason as a self-inserted "flawed man seeking redemption" disgusted many fans, given Lobdell's repeated history of sexually harassing women. It's even worse when considering that Jason was written as a Karma Houdini.
  • Take That, Scrappy!: Harvest, a villain from the New 52 widely despised for being an Invincible Villain with hazy motives and a generic personality, is unceremoniously found dead in one of his old bases in Issue #17 of the Rebirth series, having been murdered and crucified offscreen, and nobody is interested in looking further into his death. Given that Scott Lobdell created Harvest, this also counts as Self-Deprecating Humor.
  • Tainted by the Preview: The infamous first issue turned many people off from the series and years later is still one of the first things to surface anytime this book is talked about. Whether or not it has recovered since then is a point of debate, though sales and critical reception has not been kind, and even readers who enjoyed the first issue have been turned away by recent issues.
  • They Changed It, Now It Sucks!:
    • James Tynion IV's changes to the series status quo were heavily criticized and promptly swept under the rug after Lobdell's return to the book.
    • Roy Harper's new backstory. Many fans were unhappy that his Navajo upbringing was made a minor element on Roy's characterization and that his birth father was retconned from a forest ranger who died in a fire when Roy was three to a neglectful alcoholic that died much later.
    • Starfire, whose famous Innocent Fanservice Girl and All-Loving Hero character changed to an Ethical Slut who quickly forgot her friends had fans up in arms against her new portrayal.
    • Many don't like Red Hood as just another generic Unintentionally Unsympathetic "bad boy" anti-hero with Creator's Pet qualities and preferred him as a tragic and nuanced Batman antagonist.
  • They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot: Jason coming back to Gotham, taking over the Iceberg Lounge, becoming a Don and messing with Batman? It would have been a great Character Rerailment arc for Jason for those who like to see him return to his antagonistic ways if it wasn't quickly rushed. Albeit the Year of the Villain tie in may had something to do with it getting cut short.
  • Unfortunate Implications: Kori's line in the first issue where she says that she doesn't remember anything about her time on Earth, which many readers took to mean that she has the memory of a goldfish and made the idea that she could consent pretty dubious. Later on, it's shown that she was faking it, but even that doesn't come across as mentally healthy. Add to that the fact that Roy thought she really was amnesiac at the time and still had sex with her and he doesn't come out looking good either. In general, Starfire's character, especially the way her non-emotional promiscuity has been depicted. There are ways to portray a tired, lonely, emotionally defeated young woman seeking comfort through anonymous hookups, and this is not one of them. Her portrayal as an object of male fantasy is further discussed here. Keep in mind that this is the first issue, and thus her Establishing Character Moment, which is what Scott Lobdell expects readers to think of her.
  • Unintentionally Unsympathetic:
    • Many readers fail to find Jason (and to a lesser extent, Roy) sympathetic, due to Jason being something of a Karma Houdini, who openly references the times he tried to kill members of the Batfamily.
    • For the Dark Trinity, Batman's No-Holds-Barred Beatdown of Jason feels like an unintended Take That, Scrappy! moment, given that Jason haphazardly shot Penguin in front of an audience with no thought or consideration, breaking his one promise to the father figure who raised him. Despite Scott Lobdell's attempts to portray Batman as an abusive father figure and an unrelenting Jerkass, Batman comes off as morally justified, considering that Jason has been long-established as a murderous psychopath with limited restraint.
  • Win Back the Crowd: The biggest positive reaction towards the title came when Scott Lobdell announced that he was finally leaving the title, after nearly a decade of mixed or negatively received comics.
  • The Woobie:
    • Jason, on top of being killed and resurrected, had such an awful childhood that he considers his birth as the happiest day of his life. According to his happiest memory, even after all that happened, he still considers his time as Robin the best time of his life.
    • Roy's a recovering alcoholic, and at one point notes that he only has two friends. His happiest memory is Killer Croc refusing to kill him when he was trying to commit "suicide by Croc". That isn't even starting on his trust issues.
  • WTH, Costuming Department?:
    • Jason's new outfit was really derided by fans as many feel like its a cheap copy to The Punisher or Sub Zero. While there are some who admit to liking the new outfit, nobody likes his new buzz haircut. It's kinda telling when Jason's old haircut was brought back after a few issues and various artists try his best to salvage the outfit to positive reviews.
    • Artemis's undercut likewise got the same reaction as Jason's buzz cut with many wishing she can grow back her hair really fast. Which she did in one chapter.
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