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Bad edit with weird term
Dutch did a poor quality edit to a perfectly good entry on the page for The Beatles. Reverting most of the awkward wording is straightforward enough, but they potholed a term I’ve never encountered for music by The Beach Boys, as “Beachfront Boys.” I’ve never heard of this supposed genre and think they made it up for whatever eccentric reason. I’m planning to revert the entry to remove their edits in full, but want to get support for removing the “Beachfront Boys” term.
Thanks!
Possible Trope Misuse
I was looking over this page
and it appears as though the ones editing it are using the main page to list the persona's opinions of works they reviewed rather than list the tropes which apply to the work/character in question.
Is that permitted?
Batman v Superman: Idiot Plot? Film
So, the YMMV page for Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice has Idiot Plot with the following argument:
"A major criticism of the film is this, as it depicts multiple characters coming to very rash, stupid conclusions without much evidence, usually just to drive the plot forward. Moments such as Superman not just telling Batman his mom is in danger, and Lois throwing away the spear at the end all just happen, and the film makes no attempt to explain why most of the characters make their decisions. Lex Luthor's entire motivation is often singled out as an example of this; he just hates Superman and does things that are not explained very well, and the film doesn't give him a solid motivation for his actions. While the Extended Edition helped with some minor issues, the core film still suffers from a plot that seems to just make the characters act like idiots to further the plot, rather than allow it to develop naturally."
This entry doesn't really dig deep as to why the movie has an Idiot Plot, not to mention that it mentions that the Extended Edition says it kinda helps with these issues. Besides, the character pages and Fridge Brilliance help explain some of the inconsistencies.
Yeah, this movie is controversial but let's not misrepresent it, okay?
Akiba's Trip Videogame
I was checking the history for Akiba's Trip: Undead & Undressed and found this was deleted by Hello 83433:
- Ending Aversion: In universe with Striprism. No one likes the last episode.
The editing reason was "misuse", but I know that the example is valid. I'm also aware that Ending Aversion has been renamed Audience-Alienating Ending. I think the problem is that the example as written doesn't really convey the trope very well. Would it be okay if I were to rewrite it?
I {=P Med=} Hello 83433 a week ago and haven't heard back.
Edited by BKelly95Troper Wall
I know this sounds stupid- but what exactly is a Troper wall- is it just a place you can have other tropers vandalize, or also a place to put stuff that you just want to? Basically random things that you are atleast related to. Please tell me.
Trivia misuse(?)
This is the only entry under Trivia.Rick And Morty S 5 E 10 Rickamurai Jack:
- When Stan Lee Rick breaks the Fourth Wall and says to watch Season 1, Episode 9; it is the wrong episode. He should have said Season 1, Episode 10. that was the first Citadel episode.
Besides lacking a actual Trivia item, this is covered by Series Continuity Error under the main page. Should this be cut?
Relating to a similar Trivia issue I brought up a few days back, do/should we allow entries that don't fit an approve Trivia items (it seems like they just exist to shoehorn things in)?
Designated Hero in Civil War II Print Comic
Ah, Civil War II, the comic book that reignited the old discussions about who is the hero and who is the villain in Marvel's Civil War. I really want to figure out, once and for all, who is the real Designated Hero of the story.
- "Carol Danvers. When shown proof of how Ulysses' powers actually work, she ignores it and continues her campaign of fighting the future by arresting a woman with the only proof being his vision of her and an empty suitcase. She recruits Kamala to aid her in her venture and essentially tells her to deal with it when the poor girl is having completely major second-thoughts over the entire thing. Later on as she ramped up, several characters call her out on her increasingly totalitarian behavior. Magneto outright compares her to the Nazis after a few mishaps between her and the X-Man, causing her to compare Magneto (who, keep in mind, is a Holocaust survivor) to an internet troll invoking Godwin's Law. Notably, Carol seems to be repeating the same pitfalls that Tony went through in the original Civil War (whose side had a point but invalidated it by acting in a villainous manner), but exaggerated ten-fold. As trying to save people from attacks and crisis that would cause a huge loss of life (which Carol and the Ultimates had been doing and was Carol's initial plan for Ulysses) would be unquestionably a good thing, it comes off as Marvel deliberately trying to make her more villainous to add more moral ambiguity to avoid Tony being the clear-cut bad guy."
- "Tony Stark. After finding out about Ulysses' power, he instantly distrusts it for little to no reason, starting an argument with his friends over essentially nothing. He follows this by, when Ulysses's vision gets Rhodey killed, but successfully prevents the deaths that Thanos would have caused, attacking the Inhumans and kidnapping Ulysses, proceeding to begin experimenting on him to determine how his powers work in order to find any flaw to justify his irrational distrust of him. When he goes about recruiting people to his cause, he does so through bribery (such as trying to buy Sam Wilson's support by playing off of his financial troubles), among other issues. While Carol is Jumping Off the Slippery Slope, Tony seems to start the event being an unsympathetic asshole, even before Carol's extremism comes into play."
- "The Inhumans. At first, they are right to be angry that Tony kidnapped Ulysses. However, Medusa destroyed his company, took his money and ruined his reputation. Even worse, Triton and Maximus blew up his company tower because they felt that she didn't go far enough. When they were with the other heroes confronting Banner, Tony pointed out that Banner hasn't done anything, to which Medusa responded with "Yet." Add to the fact that they don't want to really help save the mutants from being killed off by their mists, and it's pretty hard to see them as heroic. Now it's debatable whether some of the writers themselves consider them heroes considering what Magneto asked Rachel Grey in Civil War II: X-Men #3: "Tell me... in the world you came from... your future... do you recall an Inhuman lifting a finger to help our people?" This instantly caused her to join Magneto. They had basically abandoned Carol when she turned to them for help after Miles went home to deal with the vision of himself killing Captain America."
Civil War II gives us Captain Marvel, following in the footsteps of Iron Man in the first Civil War and who went a little crazy with her methods while using a Inhuman precog, Ulysses, to combat crimes. She went around trying to arrest her allies and others for things that haven't happened yet, and ignored people when they tried to tell her that the precog wasn't really seeing the future, at least not with 100% accuracy. Having indirectly caused the deaths of War Machine and Bruce Banner, she grew more stubborn in her beliefs and went on to imprison an innocent woman, tried to arrest Miles for a crime he may not commit, and put Iron Man in coma when he opposed her. This was explained in Ultimates 2015 partly as having her Go Mad from the Revelation of the Marvel Universe's floating timeline thanks to Galactus showing her. While some fans still love the character, others are unsure that she should be the female face of Marvel.
- Several years on, thanks to a successful film and appearance in another, a number of negative consequences for Carol and a fair amount of self-hatred on her part, plus a general desire by Marvel to forget that Civil War II ever happened (unlike the first Civil War, which had extended consequences right up to and after Siege), which was helped by how it was a forgettable event to begin with, and Ulysses himself hasn't been seen since - means that it's simmered down to the occasional mention.
- Several years on, thanks to a successful film and appearance in another, a number of negative consequences for Carol and a fair amount of self-hatred on her part, plus a general desire by Marvel to forget that Civil War II ever happened (unlike the first Civil War, which had extended consequences right up to and after Siege), which was helped by how it was a forgettable event to begin with, and Ulysses himself hasn't been seen since - means that it's simmered down to the occasional mention."
The actions of either Tony or the Inhumans during Civil War II are not mentioned in the page, but they do have entires, albeit for different reasons.

"I guess we're ignoring the fact Tony kidnapped a man and tortured him, all to get those experiment results which are tainted as a result of said torture. And he assaulted a head of state to do it by tresspassing on their sovereign territory. But the Inhumans are jerks I guess, so they deserved it huh? Yeah, I have a bone to pick with the Inhumans vs X-Men entry too, as it ignores the fact the Inhumans are trying to find a cure for the X-Men, trying to keep them from being harmed by the cloud and the mutants do not explain that they're already out of time to find a cure and just attack them outright with no provocation. The entry even ignores how the crossover ends, with Medusa herself learning that the cloud is about to saturate the atmosphere and kill all mutants... and then she instantly kills the cloud herself because that's the only solution obviously, basically revealing this entire war could've been avoided if the X-Men just told the Inhumans the truth."
"But hey, better to find an easy person to blame in both cases, right? And both events do suck, a fact I won't argue, so who cares if we leave out other details that kinda show that this tropes more easily applies to the other side of the fighting. Frankly, I haven't heard one solid defense for what Carol should've done when Tony attacked her. And if we're using alt. Universes to justify the Mutants actions in Iv X, then fine! In another universe, as detailed in the lead up to Infinity Warps, Carol broke off her engagement with Tony to free Miles from his prison bubble thing... and took what appears to be a mortal blow from Tony's Carolbuster suit in the process."
"Tony. Was Trying. To Kill. Carol Danvers. Period. I find this continued attempt to blame Carol for putting the guy who ASSAULTED HER into a coma very "Victim Blaming" of its proponents. Like if a wife puts an abusive husband into a coma, suddenly she's a criminal too I guess? Next woman who knocks out her rapist and gives him brain damage, charge them with attempted murder, right? And sure, Tony didn't do anything nearly as bad as that... but he did commit Kidnapping, Torture and Terrorism in a short span of time. Yet he does not pay for a single one of his crimes and the comics community forgives him just as easily it seems."
"Tony deserves to be called what he is in the story, as the comic is clearly on his side and even ends with Carol throwing herself onto her sword in anguish over her mistakes while Tony's "death" is lamented as a tragedy. It's not, he attacked her, he got what was coming to him. He's the designated hero of CW 2, not Carol. Carol was presented as the misguided antagonist at best while Tony was allowed to run rough shod over her and scream on his soap box. She never got a chance to present her case! EVER! And we keep blaming her for things that other people did! It's ridiculous!"
"The entry should be switched around, the comic clearly sides with Tony Stark. By definition of trope, the author isn't trying to excuse Carol's actions, they are trying to excuse Tony. He suffers no real lasting consequences for his actions, while Carol has to repeatedly blame herself for things she didn't do! And the same goes for Iv X, as that comic is very clearly on the mutant's side. Neither entry fits the trope and is just someone complaining about characters not being perfect. And the implication that Carol should've let Tony punch her face into the pavement and not defend herself, while ignoring everything he did, SCREAMS sexist bias in my opinion."
"Those are my criticisms, feel free to discuss."
So, what do we do here? I'm perfectly aware that Designated Hero had a TRS clean-up thread, but it was closed because people were using the trope simply to criticize heroes didn't like.
By the way, I already asked this question at Is this an example? to get a proper consensus.
TRS crowner
There is an active crowner for I Have the High Ground at the Trope Repair Shop. If inclined to join the discussion, do so here.
Ban evader
Apologies if this has already been reported, but leabrady looks like another sayaka83546
account. They're making edits for Ruff Ruffman and Danganronpa and their username follows the pattern.
Odd/concerning edit reason
I was looking at the edit history for the recently-launched Intimidating White Presence, and noticed that Skunktaur replaced every instance of "Black" (with a capital B) to "black" (with a lowercase b). What makes this worth mentioning here is the edit summary, "Removed racially prejudiced wording of capitalizing 'Black' but not 'white'." If you ask me, it sounds... shifty, to say the least. Any idea on what to do here?
Does a Woobie have to be intended by the author?
I'd ask this in Trope Talk, but nobody as of late seems to be replying to my questions about certain tropes.
The trope is in NoRealLife.Narrative Characterization And Plot Tropes, meaning it's an intentional choice that the author makes a character to feel bad for. Does this be intentional for characters within the narrative of a work too?
Creator Page for gelefant
Who created a Creators page for gelefant? I'm gelefant/gelefant is me, and I just wanna thank whoever did so. I really appreciate it.
Best way to split a page? Anime
I've been thinking about splitting LightNovel.Slayers into separate articles for anime and light novels, and setting up a franchise page (there's a page for a spin-off game, and after the split there will be three mediums). However, the series suffers from some serious Continuity Snarl, and I'm unsure how to split it. To elaborate, the so-to-say, "core part" of the series consists of:
- A set of 17 "mainline" novels
- An anime that adapts first 8 of these novels
- Three original anime seasons
The best I came up with is to leave novels-only tropes on the existing page, move anime-only tropes to their own pages, and move universal tropes (applying to the first 8 novels or 2 first seasons of anime) to the franchise page. Would it be the right course of actions?
Edited by VeriamoHow do fanfics get tropes pages?
I've been told that writing a trope page for my own fanfic is bad form, so how does one go about getting such a page for their own fanfic? Also asking for others, because there are a couple that definitely deserve it.
Edited by omersonicAnimorphs FranchiseOriginalSin Literature
I noticed on the 'related' page for Franchise Original Sin that a link to the page is somewhere on the Animorphs YMMV page, but I can't seem to find said link anywhere (and believe me, I've tried). Is there anyone who can figure out where on that page said link is so I can properly determine as to whether the link is actually present in a way that's appropriate for the matter?
Edited by SimbafanA1Persistent misindentation plus Edit War
On UsefulNotes.Nintendo Game Cube, Experiment T had added improperly-bulleted paragraphs in the section about the console's specs. I fixed the issue and sent them a PM over it, but in their latest edits they reinstated some of the sub-bullets. I need permission to revert this issue once again, because they're edit-warring by now.
What counts as a "fighting game trope"? Videogame
For a while now Fighting Game Tropes has been edited by mostly me and another troper, grandefarao, indexing tropes that have significance to the genre. I feel though that there are some entries in there that don't really fit the bill; both Big Bad and The Hero were on there at one point, but I opted to remove those because they're both tropes that are so broad to writing that I didn't think they really fit in that index. Then there are more minor instances like Winged Humanoid which yes, does apply to a lot of FG characters, but isn't like a trope that's core or specific to the genre. I'm wondering what kind of discretion should be used for indexes like these, because I worry it'll become something very confused or bloated depending on what gets added.
Edited by IkeaHanHow should I title a page for this work?
I am considering launching a work page for a short fanfic. This usually isn't a problem, except the fic has a rather strange title: Fortune_Lover_(TGS Beta)(SARU_rip)[T+Eng0.75_Sincere].zip.
What I'm having a problem with is whether I should spell out the underscores, the plus sign, and the dot in the title in the launching title? In other words, which of the following should I launch at?
- Fanfic/FortuneLoverTGSBetaSARURipTEng075SincereZip (none spelled out),
- Fanfic/FortuneLoverTGSBetaSARURipTPlusEng075SincereZip (plus sign spelled out), or
- Fanfic/FortuneLoverTGSBetaSARURipTPlusEng0Dot75SincereDotZip (plus sign and dot spelled out)?
What is the point of PetPeeveTrope?
Pet-Peeve Trope exists. It's apparently YMMV but... I genuinely don't see where it could possibly be used? Tropes themselves aren't supposed to have YMMV pages, and it is by design way too personal to be put on YMMV pages for works that house a Pet-Peeve Trope.
Between that and the fact the discussion page is apparently being used to circumvent "No Troper Tales" I really do wonder what the point of the page is, let alone proper use of it.