Opening. Seems like splitting off UsefulNotes.Texas would help solve the issues.
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for making UsefulNotes.Texas.
UsefulNotes.Texas. Maybe make a stereotype trope, like Joisey or Only in Florida.
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Keep Everything Is Big in Texas as the stereotype trope and split off the UN.
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Give us hey useful notes page for Texas.
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I find it really odd that there isn't a UsefulNotes.Texas page.
Edited by Nen_desharu on Mar 11th 2021 at 10:11:21 AM
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I'm fine with creating UsefulNotes.Texas, but I don't see why we can't simultaneously have a Hollywood Atlas trope about the state, so I agree with Synchronicity.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 11th 2021 at 9:36:01 AM
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I'm good on creating UsefulNotes.Texas.
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Thirding Synchronity's idea.
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Making a second comment to say that I am also in favor of keeping the current trope as a stereotype trope. Should have said that in my first comment, sorry.
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I'm with Synch
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I don't know why I didn't mention this before, but a previous thread criticized the description for being too long (complete with a joke that even descriptions are big in Texas), so I'd imagine some portions can be moved to UsefulNotes.Texas, with the Everything Is Big in Texas page just sticking to the Hollywood Atlas aspect.
Edit: Here's the thread.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 11th 2021 at 3:28:14 AM
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It seems like everyone is in agreement that we keep the old trope page and add a Useful Notes page.
It's my first time doing this- since we're not doing anything to the original page outside of maybe moving the detailed description of the real state, do we need to still do a Crowner before creating the UN? If we don't, I'm happy to get started on building and indexing it within the week.
I created a UN page using the shell of the current trope description and will be cleaning it up throughout the day, probably using the same general format as the UsefulNotes.California page. Even though it seemed unanimous that splitting the pages was the way to go, wanted to check again if we need to do any formal action before I actually remove large chunks from Everything Is Big in Texas.
Edited by Claystripe on Mar 13th 2021 at 11:36:51 AM
Perhaps we could create a Useful Notes page for Virginia considering its importance in American culture.
I think Virginia is a good candidate for it, too; plenty of Revolution and Civil War-era media featuring the state. I'm just being cautious with the prior home to a lot of the Texas page- I don't want to overstep and carve up an older page without making sure I'm cleared to do so.
Here's a crowner on reworking the trope description.
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Looks like someone already made UsefulNotes.Texas a few days ago, but I don't know if anything has been moved over from Main.Everything Is Big In Texas.
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The Everything Is Big in Texas page seems like it may have drifted away from its original purpose. Judging by Laconic, I think that it's meant to be a trope page about exaggerated Texas stereotypes, particularly those related to size, but it seems to have morphed into a de facto Useful Notes page for the real state of Texas (not helped by the fact that "Texas" redirects to the trope). The page is even listed under both the National Stereotypes index and with all the other states' Useful Notes pages on the index section for The United States. Rather than just rewrite the trope page, it seems to me like it should be Split, and all the Real Life info currently on the page should be migrated to a new Useful Notes page for Texas that fits the model of the other state pages. Then the actual trope can be described more clearly and succinctly.
The page has 405 wicks. I randomly checked 50 of them, and here are the results. Though some examples could arguably go either way, the check leans slightly towards the "Just Describing Texas" side that fits a Useful Notes page; in fact, the majority of the wicks are just straight potholes for any time "Texas", "a Texan", or "a place in Texas" is mentioned. There's still more than enough instances of it being used to refer to stereotypical Texan traits to justify keeping the trope page.
Edited by Claystripe on Feb 12th 2021 at 8:48:10 AM