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Feb 11th 2021 at 8:59:25 PM

The Everything Is Big in Texas page seems like it may have drifted away from its original purpose. Judging by Laconic, I think that it's meant to be a trope page about exaggerated Texas stereotypes, particularly those related to size, but it seems to have morphed into a de facto Useful Notes page for the real state of Texas (not helped by the fact that "Texas" redirects to the trope). The page is even listed under both the National Stereotypes index and with all the other states' Useful Notes pages on the index section for The United States. Rather than just rewrite the trope page, it seems to me like it should be Split, and all the Real Life info currently on the page should be migrated to a new Useful Notes page for Texas that fits the model of the other state pages. Then the actual trope can be described more clearly and succinctly.

The page has 405 wicks. I randomly checked 50 of them, and here are the results. Though some examples could arguably go either way, the check leans slightly towards the "Just Describing Texas" side that fits a Useful Notes page; in fact, the majority of the wicks are just straight potholes for any time "Texas", "a Texan", or "a place in Texas" is mentioned. There's still more than enough instances of it being used to refer to stereotypical Texan traits to justify keeping the trope page.

    Stereotype/Size Trope 
  1. Animation.Pucca: Eagleland / Everything Is Big in Texas: From Sooga-Size Me and Monster Truck Island Texas Lugie and Sloppy Sue are both type 2 Americans. They throw packs of dollars into the faces of the people of Sooga, pollute the environment with crude oil and smoke, make people unhealthy and fat with their greasy and unhealthy fast food, and generally just wreak havoc with their obnoxious personalities and their indifference towards the people of Sooga. Explicitly about a Stereotype.
  2. Anime.Shirobako: Cathy plays just about every Texas stereotype perfectly straight. Outlandish cowboy outfit? Check. Grew up on a ranch? Check. Always talking about cattle? Check. Explicitly about a Stereotype.
  3. ComicBook.Buck Danny: Except Sonny. He's always boasting about how he was the champion of such-and-such in various bizarrely-named small towns. Explicitly about a Stereotype.
  4. Creator.Richard Linklater: Averted. Since he's born, raised and currently lives in Texas, he presents a very realistic look at the state. Explicitly an aversion of a Stereotype.
  5. Film.Friday Night Lights: Especially fanaticism over high school football. It's not uncommon for small towns to almost completely shut down on Friday nights in the fall. Kinda falls in both, example should probably be fixed.
  6. Series.Billions: Jock Jeffcoat, the hulking, Badass Baritone-voiced Attorney General who rules the judicial branch with an iron fist. He has a thick Texas accent and a decidedly cowboy aesthetic. Explicitly about a Stereotype.
  7. Series.Jessie: During the Jessie portion of the Good Luck JESSIE special (along with Down on the Farm). It tends to get invoked a lot when addressing Jessie's past. Explicitly about a Stereotype.
  8. VideoGame.Grand Theft Auto: Real estate mogul Avery Carrington is a stereotypical Texan, right down to the cowboy hat. Explicitly about a Stereotype.
  9. WebVideo.The Angry Joe Show: Self-Deprecation: During his review of Homefront, while Joe complains about the obnoxious loudmouthed Texan with the oversize belt-buckle who "loses his shit". Pothole for Texan stereotype
  10. Website.The Onion: "Texas Constructs U.S. Border Wall To Keep Out Unwanted Americans". About Texan exceptionalism
  11. WesternAnimation.Xiaolin Showdown: Clay is a big guy who comes from Texas. Omi learns from him in the first episode that "it's not your weight, it's how you throw it around." A mention of size correlating with Texan roots
  12. UsefulNotes.George W Bush: Portrayals of him, if referencing his upbringing, have him being very proud of being a Texan. Although if it matters, he was born in Connecticut. Sort of both, but at least mentions how his state pride is exaggerated in fiction.
  13. VideoGame.BIO Freaks: Mutilator, above mentioned, represents none other than the Lone Star State. Sort of both, example should clarify what attributes make this significant.
  14. VideoGame.Sponge Bob Square Pants Battle For Bikini Bottom: In Sandy's dream. Another example that needs clarity, but in context is referring to exaggerated stereotypes.
  15. Webcomic.Harry Potter Comics: Sheriff Ned and Bart, who are working in Britain on an exchange program, make reference to their counterparts currently in Texas in this comic: [1]. The Texans are shown as revolver-toting cowboys towing the poor British police officers through the sand with lassoes. The Brits, on the other hand, talk entirely about tea and crumpets. But, as the authors put it, "It's okay for us to make fun of Brits and Texans because we're from Colorado. (Also, saying things makes them fact!)" Explicitly about a Stereotype.
  16. Series.Storage Wars Texas: Oh yes. Kinda fits both, vague reference to stereotype, needs fix.
  17. Literature.Dracula: Quincey Morris. Lucy likes his funny turns of phrase, so when he proposes to her, he hams up the quaint cowboy-themed metaphors to an almost sickening degree. Explicitly about a Stereotype.
  18. Funny.Terminator Dark Fate: Carl: These weapons will be vital to protect my family. Also... this is Texas. Pothole in joke about a Stereotype.
  19. Boyhood: Averted. The director is from Texas, and presents a very realistic depiction of life in the state: with cities and towns of every size and a diverse array of characters. Though the main character does, at one point, get a gun and a Bible for his 13th birthday. (in interviews, Linklater calls this the "redneck Bar Mitzvah") Explicitly an aversion of a Stereotype.
  20. Characters.MCU Asgard: Collector of the Strange: Since getting the job, (Skurge has) been using the Bifröst to steal and amass an extensive collection of "stuff" — specifically, trinkets and weapons from across the Nine Realms, including a pair of M16 Assault Rifles from a place in Midgard called "Tex-arse". Pothole in joke about a Stereotype
  21. Gentle Touch vs. Firm Hand: King of the Hill, being set in suburban Texas and often expressing the idea that Good Is Old-Fashioned, tends to hold Firm Hand more favorably. Pothole in reference to a national stereotype
  22. Music.Country Life: "Prairie Rose"; that said, the song isn't particularly descriptive about the state aside from describing how its country space is big enough "for you and company," focusing more on the narrator's feelings about Texas. Borderline case, references the state's size, but that's very much Truth in Television
  23. UsefulNotes.Other Cities In Texas: Texas is a big state. No seriously, it's really big, so big that the city of El Paso is closer to Los Angeles, CA, three states away than it is to Shreveport, LA, which is right on the Texas border in the other direction. Pothole reference to the state's size. Arguably this page could be merged with or become the entire state's Useful Notes page, but that's another issue.

    Just Referencing Texas 
  1. Americans Are Cowboys: Clay from Xiaolin Showdown. Probably justified in that he came from a cattle ranch in Texas. Borderline case; pothole for Texas in an example for another Stereotype, but presents it in a justification for an American character being a cowboy.
  2. BoxOfficeBomb.Numbers Through B: While liked by several Texas critics and Ebert & Roeper, this movie also derailed director/writer John Lee Hancock's career. Pothole for a reference to Texas, no stereotype
  3. Characters.Civilization Beyond Earth: She (Suzanne Fielding) grew up there.
  4. Literature.Quidditch Through The Ages: (Ironically, one of the strongest American Quidditch teams, the Sweetwater All-Stars, comes from a region where American football is overwhelmingly the sport of choice in Real Life.) Pothole for reference to Texas, explicitly meant to be a Truth in Television example
  5. Trivia.Hell Or High Water: California Doubling: New Mexico stands in for western Texas. To be fair, historically, New Mexico is just extremely western Texas. Pothole reference to Texas
  6. UsefulNotes.American Football: For more information, watch Eyeshield 21 or Friday Night Lights. Or show up at a sports bar full of drunk Americans on an autumn weekend afternoon. Or any part of Texas, with anyone, at any time, especially if you like high school football. Pothole reference to Texas
  7. VideoGame.Castlevania Bloodlines: Everything Is Badass In Texas: John Morris (AKA the guy with the whip) is from Texas, just like his father. Use of trope to describe being from Texas without reference to stereotype or size.
  8. UsefulNotes.The Several States: Pothole for the title of the "Texas" section.
  9. UsefulNotes.Myanmar: The country is big; at 676,578 km (261,227 sq mi), just a tad smaller than Texas Pothole for Texas
  10. UsefulNotes.DFW Metroplex: The Dallas/Fort Worth metropolitan area, most commonly known as "The Metroplex", "DFW", or the "Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex" (or, even more archaically, the Golden Triangle) is the Lone Star State's largest metropolitan area, the fourth largest in the USA, and the second largest (behind Los Angeles) to be contained entirely within one state. Pothole for Lone Star State
  11. UsefulNotes.Misplaced Nationalism: And then of course, there is Texas, known for people who are very vocally proud of their home state, and who like to remind others that their state was a Republic before joining (or annexing, depending on your point of view and degree of tongue-in-cheek) the rest of the United States. Borderline case; Pothole for Texas in reference to the real state, but in a discussion of aspects of the trope
  12. Wrestling.King Kong Bundy: Billed from Houston at the start of his career as Chris Canyon. Use of trope to describe being from Texas without reference to stereotype or size.
  13. UsefulNotes.Al Gore: After Clinton was term-limited out of office in 2000, Gore became the Democratic Party's nominee for President, running on a platform that one could sum up as "If it isn't broken..." against then-Texas Governor George W. Bush. Pothole for Texas
  14. TheLastOfUs.Tropes E To J: The prologue is in Texas, note  with Joel and his daughter. Troy Baker, Joel's actor, is from Texas, but like Supernatural 's Jensen Ackles, doesn't have anything close to the pronounced accent his character does. Use of trope to describe being from or being set in Texas without reference to stereotype or size.
  15. Series.Barney And Friends: The series was filmed in various parts of Dallas throughout its run, ranging from Allen to Carrollton. "Barney in Concert" was performed at Dallas's Majestic Theatre. Use of trope to describe being set in Texas without reference to stereotype or size.
  16. Series.The Puzzle Place: Kiki Flores: Mexican-American from San Antonio, Texas Pothole for Texas
  17. RealLife.Tropes N To S: Non-Indicative Name: While on the topic of Texas town names, Old Dimebox is surely worth a mention. And Marble Falls doesn't have anything resembling its name since they built the dam. Pothole for Texas on Real Life page
  18. Podcast.Mental Cast: In fact, the show was based there (in Austin) for three years, from 2009 to 2012. Use of trope to describe being set in Texas without reference to stereotype or size.
  19. Music.ZZ Top: The little band from Texas that could, ZZ Top is a long-running Blues Rock band from Houston composed of guitarist/vocalist Billy Gibbons, bassist/keyboardist/vocalist Dusty Hill and drummer Frank Beard (who, ironically, has the shortest beard). Pothole for Texas
  20. Film.Varsity Blues: Varsity Blues, a 1999 comedy-drama directed by Brian Robbins, is one of the great Cliché Storms of the 1990s. It is a sports story that centers around high school football in the great state of Texas. Pothole for Texas
  21. Film.The Golden Compass: Expy: Oh, hey there, it's a Texan Revolver Ocelot, complete with his signature side arm. Borderline case, pothole for Texas, example doesn't make clear it's a reference to a exaggerated depiction
  22. Film.Boyhood: It tells the story of Mason, a six-year-old boy from Texas with a Dysfunctional Family. Yes, Boyhood uses both
  23. Film.Lone Star State Of Mind: The film takes place in rural Texas, and seems to be both showing the virtues and drawbacks of that kind of life. Use of trope to describe being set in Texas without reference to stereotype or size.
  24. Film.Cloak And Dagger: Between the Tower Life Building, River Walk, the Sunken Gardens in Brackenridge Park, and the Alamo, the movie gets a lot of mileage out of using early-1980s San Antonio as a setting. Use of trope to describe being set in Texas without reference to stereotype or size.
  25. FanFic.Day Of The Barney Trilogy: In reality, the show was produced in Texas, not Washington D.C., but anyone who writes a Barney Hate Fic generally ignores this bit of information. Pothole for Texas
  26. Creator.I Heart Media: iHeartMedia (formerly known as Clear Channel Communications) is a radio broadcaster based in San Antonio, Texas, and one of the largest owners of radio stations in the US. Pothole for Texas
  27. Remember the Alamo: William Travis, James Bowie, and Davy Crockett were the three men who orchestrated their defense against the ensuing onslaught of Santa Anna and his men, and since then The Alamo has been a nationally revered moment of American bravery for the entire country, but mostly Texas. Pothole for Texas

Edited by Claystripe on Feb 12th 2021 at 8:48:10 AM

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Mar 11th 2021 at 4:03:27 AM

Opening. Seems like splitting off UsefulNotes.Texas would help solve the issues.

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Mar 11th 2021 at 7:05:21 AM

Keep Everything Is Big in Texas as the stereotype trope and split off the UN.

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Mar 11th 2021 at 7:07:51 AM

Give us hey useful notes page for Texas.

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Mar 11th 2021 at 7:11:11 AM

I find it really odd that there isn't a UsefulNotes.Texas page.

Edited by Nen_desharu on Mar 11th 2021 at 10:11:21 AM

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Mar 11th 2021 at 7:35:24 AM

I'm fine with creating UsefulNotes.Texas, but I don't see why we can't simultaneously have a Hollywood Atlas trope about the state, so I agree with Synchronicity.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 11th 2021 at 9:36:01 AM

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Mar 11th 2021 at 8:14:32 AM

I'm good on creating UsefulNotes.Texas.

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Mar 11th 2021 at 10:12:06 AM

it seems to me like it should be Split, and all the Real Life info currently on the page should be migrated to a new Useful Notes page for Texas that fits the model of the other state pages. Then the actual trope can be described more clearly and succinctly.
[tup] split

themayorofsimpleton Back-ish from Somewhere else
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Mar 11th 2021 at 10:17:39 AM

Making a second comment to say that I am also in favor of keeping the current trope as a stereotype trope. Should have said that in my first comment, sorry.

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GastonRabbit A real nowhere man from Robinson, Illinois, USA Relationship Status: I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
Mar 11th 2021 at 1:27:39 PM

I don't know why I didn't mention this before, but a previous thread criticized the description for being too long (complete with a joke that even descriptions are big in Texas), so I'd imagine some portions can be moved to UsefulNotes.Texas, with the Everything Is Big in Texas page just sticking to the Hollywood Atlas aspect.

Edit: Here's the thread.

Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 11th 2021 at 3:28:14 AM

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Mar 11th 2021 at 1:34:08 PM

It seems like everyone is in agreement that we keep the old trope page and add a Useful Notes page.

It's my first time doing this- since we're not doing anything to the original page outside of maybe moving the detailed description of the real state, do we need to still do a Crowner before creating the UN? If we don't, I'm happy to get started on building and indexing it within the week.

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Mar 13th 2021 at 11:36:38 AM

I created a UN page using the shell of the current trope description and will be cleaning it up throughout the day, probably using the same general format as the UsefulNotes.California page. Even though it seemed unanimous that splitting the pages was the way to go, wanted to check again if we need to do any formal action before I actually remove large chunks from Everything Is Big in Texas.

Edited by Claystripe on Mar 13th 2021 at 11:36:51 AM

Mar 13th 2021 at 11:42:31 AM

Perhaps we could create a Useful Notes page for Virginia considering its importance in American culture.

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Mar 13th 2021 at 11:55:53 AM

I think Virginia is a good candidate for it, too; plenty of Revolution and Civil War-era media featuring the state. I'm just being cautious with the prior home to a lot of the Texas page- I don't want to overstep and carve up an older page without making sure I'm cleared to do so.

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Mar 13th 2021 at 1:56:35 PM

Here's a crowner on reworking the trope description.

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Mar 13th 2021 at 2:02:26 PM

Crowner hooked!

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Mar 16th 2021 at 11:24:41 PM

Think we're good to call the crowner (if the mods agree).

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Mar 17th 2021 at 5:24:23 AM

Yeah, calling. Time to split off the real life stuff.

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Mar 17th 2021 at 6:17:06 AM

Looks like someone already made UsefulNotes.Texas a few days ago, but I don't know if anything has been moved over from Main.Everything Is Big In Texas.

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Mar 17th 2021 at 7:38:18 AM

Useful Notes page was me. Gonna work on reworking the trope description and checking the wicks now.

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Mar 17th 2021 at 7:33:06 PM

Finished going through the wicks and converting the Useful Notes examples.

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