Memetic X Cleanup

This started from a query I made on ATT, where I pointed out the misuse of Memetic Loser, being used to complain about characters, whenever they don’t fit the criteria for The Scrappy. Then it was pointed out that other Memetic YMMV such as Memetic Mutation also gets misused for hatedom memes.

This is my first time making a cleanup thread, so I don’t know what to expect. I guess I’ll start by posting the misused Memetic Loser entry I posted there.

YMMV.Sonic The Hedgehog 2020:

• Memetic Loser: Sonic's initial movie design became an overnight internet punching bag on par with Bubsy due to his infamously disturbing redesign that all three of his creators, Sega themselves and even the film's own director have disavowed, as well as the trailer showing him being unable to dodge a mere tranquilizer dart, when seconds later, he is seen pulling Bullet Time on a swarm of missiles. The Fridge Horror that assumes his accidental power surge potentially endangered hundreds of infants' lives isn't helping his case. This grew especially after the new Sonic design was revealed, with a good number of fanwork featuring New!Sonic beating his older counterpart up or being generally forgotten/homeless/dead in comparison to his more successful counterpart.

See, there’s little focus on the “Loser” part here and just being used to bash the older design of Sonic from the movie. Also dem Characterization Tags.

Edited by PlasmaPower on Feb 10th 2020 at 9:23:43 AM

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I’ve actually been thinking we need just this sort of cleanup, ever since certain controversies erupted during the Pokémon Sword and Shield prerelease.

I don’t even see old design Sonic brought up in discussions often any more anyway, except to say how people are glad that a redesigned happened. I’m for the chop.

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Shouldn't this be Long Term? The misuse is pervasive and consistent.

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Agreed.

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TBH, I put it here just to be safe.

Do I just move it? Or can a mod do that for me?

Edited by PlasmaPower on Feb 10th 2020 at 7:17:09 AM

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Try hollering.

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Moved.

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Now, let's start off again by looking at the entire Western Animation folder of Memetic Loser. A lot of these don't have context (Backyardigans), aren't actually exaggerating their weakness (X-Men), Or somehow are this both in-universe and out, which wouldn't make them Memetic Losers (Futurama). Some characters aren't even fighters at all (Caillou).

Edited by PlasmaPower on Feb 12th 2020 at 4:52:32 PM

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Pokémon Examples on Memetic Loser are a complete mess (and there's one that seems to be a personal vendetta against one particular character).

I'll give my own thoughts on each:

Edited by ShinyCottonCandy on Feb 12th 2020 at 4:31:57 AM

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With regards to the original post, I have to make my nigh-obligatory complaint about Characterization Tags as well.

(Also, keep in mind for some works, particularly Long-Runners, that the fandom and hatedom blend together a bit. Entries based off of older fans disliking a newer work/character/etc. should remain valid, but they should at least have more to them than "Jar Jar is bad.")

Edit: Also, being a combatant or fighter is not a requirement for Memetic Loser. The only requirement from the work itself is for the character to be somewhat good at their actual job/hobby, i.e. not a canonical "loser."

Edited by RallyBot2 on Feb 12th 2020 at 4:53:05 AM

Okay, if they don't actually have some sort of thing they're good at or don't really have a job or hobby, like Twist or Caillou, are they not examples?

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Correct, as they then don't satisfy the trope.

(Laconic is "A normally competent character's weaknesses are exaggerated in fanon, to the point where they become a walking punchline." I think that describes it well.)

Also, I noticed in the Other folder, that there seems to be real life examples. It mentions the staff at the sites Tumblr and Twitter, which would mean that it's troping people. Should I give those examples the cut?

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Still waiting on an opinion on this.

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These do read like real-life examples.

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MemeticLoser.Death Battle seems to list every character that's lost more than once across Death Battle, DBX, and One Minute Melee. Isn't this misuse, since it implies that every character who meets certain conditions can be added to the page, regardless of whether or not they actually inspire this reaction in the fanbase?

Edited by Zuxtron on Feb 13th 2020 at 3:26:01 PM

I mean, it's Death Battle; people over-react so much to what happens in that series that, yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if this entire list was just shoehorns people added after specific episodes.

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So what do we do with the page? Burn it to the ground? I'd like to get more opinions and form a consensus first, since there might be some valid examples (I've seen people point out and mock the Power Rangers' losing streak).

I feel like I should mention it here as well, for when y'all start cleaning Memetic Mutation more heavily. I already proposed in the namespace thread moving example pages for Memetic Mutation from Memes/ to Memes From/. I feel like such a change would make it more clear what the subpage is supposed to be used for, at least. (In case you're unaware: The big complaint about the namespace is that people use it as though it were a medium namespace akin to VideoGame/.)

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YMMV.Mighty No 9

• Memetic Mutation:
  • FOUR MILLION DOLLARS ^Explanation Most commonly from the game's detractors, when speaking of the game's overall quality. Never mind that the game's engine had to be able to fit the 900K budget that was the actual backing goal for the core game, as everything after was purely for the heaps and heaps of stretch goals being met. Additionally, some of the backers have said this too — expressing surprise that the game was released in what is perceived to be an Obvious Beta after several delays and with the 900k goal.
  • "And make the bad guys cry like an anime fan on prom night!" ^Explanation An infamous line from the Masterclass trailer. Considering there is a large overlap between anime fans and video game fans (let alone Mega Man fans), it didn't go over well.
    • There are also snowclones of this line, such as "Make the bad guys cry like the Mighty No. 9 devs on launch night!"
  • Do you like awesome things that are awesome? ^Explanation Another line from the Masterclass trailer.
  • The Pizza Explosion. ^Explanation  A nickname for the extremely cheap explosion effects around the 0:50 mark in the same trailer. Naturally, this was heavily mocked.
  • Dashing ^Explanation The Masterclass trailer put a lot of emphasis on the Video Game Dashing.
  • "Keiji Inafune is about to make you his bitch." ^Explanation As a response to the infamous "Anime Fans on Prom Night" line, people have compared that to another infamous tagline to a game from an previously acclaimed director that fell victim to Schedule Slip and backlash.
  • Mediocre No. 5.6 ^Explanation The number comes from IGN's review of the the game, which feels that the game is merely So Okay, It's Average after all this time and money led to the game receiving this derogatory name on the internet.
  • "It's better than nothing." ^Explanation  A phrase said by Ben Judd but incorrectly attributed to Inafune (Judd was his translator), which was given during a livestream of the game meant to drum up hype about the quality of the game and its ports.
    • Similarly, Giant No. 2, or similar variants thereof, because you know...
  • "He's a business man. Not a creator." ^Explanation A quote from Hideki Kamiya about Keiji Inafune, tweeted in September 2012 (Mighty No. 9's Kickstarter launched in August 2013). Critics of both the game and Inafune himself feel that this statement has become more and more relevant and repeated as the problems with Mighty No. 9 grew. One of the backers of the game (Number 5040) even named himself "Kamiya was right" to be put in the credits of the game.

Pretty much all of these seem like hatedom memes.

Edited by PlasmaPower on Feb 13th 2020 at 10:05:06 AM

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YMMV.Phantasy Star Online 2

• Memetic Loser:
  • Male Newmans in general due to comprising a paltry 3% of the player character population (as of 2017) and for being slightly inferior to their female counterparts in terms of T-ATK. Fans joke that they don't actually exist or that they're an endangered species, among other things.
  • Hagito is seen as this, especially when he throws a tantrum over his plan failing.
  • Many joked that Klotho became broke following his client order nerfs following the Episode 6 update.

Are entire groups or species allowed to be considered Memetic Losers?

Also, the second one is a ZCE. Don’t know about the third example though.

Edited by PlasmaPower on Feb 14th 2020 at 5:56:18 AM

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Only examples that look worth keeping are the Pizza Explosions, better than nothing and "And make the bad guys cry like an anime fan on prom night".

I assume species wouldn't count for Memetic x tropes in the way an entire species or group can't be The Scrappy.

I'm illiterate. Superman 64 has a better characters than The Last of Us Part II.

YMMV.Kirby Squeak Squad

• Memetic Loser: Dark Nebula, given its status as a disappointing and easy final boss, has been the punchline of many jokes among the fanbase, mainly those related with other villains. Not helped by the fact Nebula didn't receive a remix for Daroach's Guest Star in Star Allies, unlike all the other Dream Friends who use the final boss theme from their respective games, while Daroach gets simply a remix of Squeak Squad Attack.

This seems like complaining to me, considering he already has an Anti-Climax Boss entry, and the whole Star Allies thing makes up half the entry. It also doesn’t explain how the fans exaggerate his weakness.

I might rewrite this entry to explain what Dark Nebula is throughout the game and what he did versus when you actually fight him in the final boss.

EDIT: Here’s my rewrite, thoughts?

• Memetic Loser: After Dark Nebula’s fight, the game says he was an evil darkness sealed away a long time ago in a treasure chest, which Daroach and the Squeaks stole, believing it will give him ultimate power. However, he is regarded as a punchline in comparison to other Kirby bosses by quite a few fans, due to him being an Anti-Climax Boss.

Edited by PlasmaPower on Feb 20th 2020 at 10:07:23 AM

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Memes.Music says to follow this format, but no one does.

Please add entries in the following format:

• The name of the song.
  • Meme name: description of meme and how it's used.
    • Source of meme and fandom it relates to in the form of a note/labelnote.
    • Famous instances (such as the Rick Roll during the Thanksgiving parade).
    • Further mutations and successor memes, if any.

Edited by Pichu-kun on Feb 20th 2020 at 4:42:05 AM

Is this example that was added to Doctor Who S38E9 "Ascension of the Cybermen" valid, considering it was added only 40 minutes after the episode finished?

• Memetic Mutation: Brendan became a meme more or less the second the episode finished, due to his scenes' apparent incongruity with the rest of the episode, with many viewers jokingly(?) professing to be more concerned with him than the regulars.