Opened for discussion.
she/her | TRS needs your help! | Contributor of Trope ReportTo retooling the trope into stock/generic depictions of electric guitars + rename (the name can be decided later) + banning real-life examples + merge the "Artistic License - Musical Instruments" concept with Artistic License – Music.
Making a new trivia trope for when an artist is known for playing a specific guitar model. I don't think this is a good idea/noteworthy even as trivia.
Agree, though I feel like media depicting electric guitars being played without anything plugged into them happens enough to be its own trope. I usually see this in cartoons or shows where the guitar sounds are clearly overdubbed in post.
Edited by supernintendo128 on Feb 20th 2023 at 12:12:40 PM
pee pee poo pooI think "all electric guitars look like a specific brand" isn't really a trope, but something like Holywood Electic Guitar when one can make a sound without being plugged in is good.
Edited by Amonimus on Feb 20th 2023 at 11:51:11 PM
TroperWall / WikiMagic CleanupI agree with selkies on this one:
Making a new trivia trope for when an artist is known for playing a specific guitar model. I don't think this is a good idea/noteworthy even as trivia.
Edit: Retracted because I now agree with the post below this one.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 20th 2023 at 5:13:29 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.I think "stock guitar shapes" is not tropeworthy (being Chairsy to be exact).
Scientia et Libertas | Per Aspera ad Astra NovaActually, yeah, now that you mention it, between the high amount of misuse (only seven correct examples out of 66) and the misuse not amounting to much other than "this fictional guitar looks like this real life guitar model", the correct usage doesn't really look salvageable, or at least not worth keeping separate from Artistic License – Music. We've cut other Stock (whatever) tropes like Stock Sleepwear and Stock Underwear for being Chairs. At most, we could use the Salvage Yard if we come across anything more meaningful than what a guitar looks like.
Edit: Also, regarding other examples the wick check picked up, this is impossible in real life as previously mentioned, for pretty much the same reason as Everyone Owns a Mac (the tropes taking liberties how commonly certain products are shown in fiction compared to real life), which was added to NoRealLife.Impossible In Real Life in the past.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 20th 2023 at 5:28:51 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.So...merge into Artistic License – Music then? I don't think Hollywood Electric Guitar would work either as I fear such a trope would attract Zero-Context Examples and I'm not 100% convinced it's tropeworthy.
Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Feb 20th 2023 at 6:21:27 AM
TRS Queue | Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining | Troper WallYeah, I think we should do that, especially since Artistic License – Music already covers inaccurate portrayals of instruments. Now that I think of it, I think that would mean All Guitars Are Stratocasters is The Same, but More Specific to Artistic License – Music, particularly due to how few correct examples there are.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 20th 2023 at 5:20:36 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.A complete merge with Artistic License – Music works, too.
In favor of the merge into Artistic License – Music
In favor of merging.
pee pee poo pooMerging sounds like a good idea to me.
Vehicle-Based Characterization | Grief-Induced Split | Locker MailReplying to GastonRabbit: Yeah, I didn't realize there was a precedent for stock object depictions being untropeworthy, so let's just merge what few correct examples we have that fall into the "incorrect instrument depiction" category into Artistic License – Music, which I also didn't realize covered instruments.
Edited by supernintendo128 on Feb 20th 2023 at 6:36:36 AM
pee pee poo pooI just looked at the Related page and I overlooked the fact that this has a two-digit wick count (currently 63); even though the wick check sandbox mentions this, I overlooked that between a different mod opening the thread and the fact that I was more focused on the folders containing the list of wicks than the intro (plus I hadn't been awake very long when I first looked at this thread).
Since the wick check covered every wick, that makes me more inclined to merge with Artistic License – Music because the fact that there are only seven correct wicks period instead of that amount being from a random sample means it's more of a problem.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Feb 20th 2023 at 8:12:18 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.Merging is fine
TroperWall / WikiMagic CleanupMerge!
She/Her | Currently cleaning N/AI'm good with a merge.
she/her | TRS needs your help! | Contributor of Trope ReportMerge, provided we're only merging the unplugged guitar examples, which is the gist I got from the thread.
Scientia et Libertas | Per Aspera ad Astra NovaMerge with Artistic License – Music. Explaining which instruments artists use is Tank the Tech's job.
Merge it
Edited by MadAboutLove97 on Feb 21st 2023 at 3:36:05 PM
Yeah, we pretty much established that playing a specific model of guitar that happens to be the most common and recognizable isn't tropeworthy.
Edited by supernintendo128 on Feb 21st 2023 at 3:17:24 AM
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Crown Description:
What should we do to fix the trope?
Issue: This is a very confused and misused trope. All Guitars Are Stratocasters is simultaneously for works that strictly depict the Fender Stratocaster as the only electric guitar ever made and for works that inaccurately depict musical instruments (such as when a character plays an unplugged electric guitar and it sounds like it's plugged in).
The trope is also supposed to apply to works that depict the Gibson Les Paul (the other only electric guitar ever made) in the same manner, but usage of the Les Paul, confusingly, are sometimes cited as aversions.
It also has a real life section, even though this trope really shouldn't apply to real life, and aside from Yngwie Malmsteen, all it does is list variations of the trope that can be lumped in with the description.
Wick Check Analysis: A sizable portion of works are listed for simply depicting a Strat in the story, even if other guitars are depicted. I get that the Stratocaster (and to a lesser extent, the Les Paul) is so ubiquitous that seeing it in a work has become a cliché, but a character who happens to play a Strat as their main axe in it of itself is not tropeworthy, especially if other guitar models are depicted in the work.
I also found that the trope is rarely used for inaccurate depictions of musical instruments, possibly due to the confusing name and the laconic page only describing the "guitars depicted as Strats" definition of the trope.
This trope is also being used on real life artists who are known for playing Stratocasters or Strat-style guitars, which again is not what this trope is.
In addition, there is a large body of examples that use the trope as an excuse to talk about what kind of guitars the characters in the work plays and talking about how the work averts the trope as a result. Not only does this cast doubt over whether this trope is tropeworthy, but these examples can fall under Shown Their Work.
To summarize:
Total Examples: 66
Correct (Guitars generically depicted as Strats): 7 (11%)
Correct (Artistic License - Musical Instruments): 3 (4.5%)
ZCE: 3 (4.5%)
Sinkholes: 4 (6%)
Used to point out that a character plays a Stratocaster: 8 (12%)
Character playing an instrument that isn't a Stratocaster: 13 (19%)
Real life examples - Strat players: 10 (15%)
Real life examples - Non-Strat players: 5 (8%)
General Misuse/Incorrectly Written Examples: 5 (8%)
Other/Index: 8 (12%)
Wick check (archived here by moderator)
Tom played the Srat
Possible Fixes: I propose that we do one or more of the following:
Edited by Berrenta on Feb 26th 2023 at 6:36:55 AM
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