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Man in the Yellow Hat
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Man in the Yellow Hat
#27: Sep 15th 2022 at 12:13:21 PM
Going back to what to do, disambig + merge with Beast Man sounds like a good idea.
There's so much I wish I could take back.
GastonRabbit
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#28: Sep 15th 2022 at 11:43:10 PM
Hooked a crowner with both disambiguating and redirecting as options. Did I miss anything?
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MrParaduo
Since: Mar, 2010
#29: Sep 16th 2022 at 6:17:05 AM
Fair points, all. Looking back, I'm embarrassed that I never noticed such glaring flaws to begin with. Whatever you guys decide, I'll support it.
HoMM Fan
#30: Sep 16th 2022 at 10:10:48 PM
I'm pretty sure there was a proposal to cut and do a psuedo-disambig rather than a true dismabig as well.
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GastonRabbit
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#31: Sep 17th 2022 at 11:05:05 PM
Calling in favor of disambiguating.
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GastonRabbit
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from Robinson, Illinois, USA
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#32: Sep 17th 2022 at 11:25:57 PM
And done, though initially I had a brain fart and redirected instead of disambiguating (since the former was done with Seldom-Seen Species); I corrected that when I double-checked the consensus. Here are the wicks
. I dewicked Main/, but the wick count wasn't high to begin with (though I'm taking a break for now).
GastonRabbit
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from Robinson, Illinois, USA
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#33: Sep 18th 2022 at 12:35:39 AM
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Well, it looks like this was stealth-dewicked, so posting the wick check here and locking up:
Beastess is an older trope (2010) with a rather low wick count of just 79, and a name sourced from a fan Rule34 Character. Its description is a mess all on its own, The basis is supposed to be Beast Man plus Amazonian Beauty OR Brawn Hilda. Which is a problem all on its own (how common is this archetype really? Not to mention that these two tropes, while covering similar concepts of a strong woman, are wildly different in terms of use and portrayal). To help see how this rather vague trope is used, I'm checking 50 wicks and seeing how they fit.
Wicks checked: 50/50
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Beast Man+Amazonian Beauty or Brawn Hilda: 3/ 50
- The Elder Scrolls: The Races of Mer: Beastess: While technically a sub-race of Mer, Orc females fit, being strong and bestial-looking women. Closest thing to a correct example, but this describes an entire race, and isn't really an archetype here.
- One Piece: Animal Kingdom Pirates: Beastess: Defied. Normally, Black Maria's hybrid form would have mutiple arms and a spider-like face, but she takes drugs to have a centaur-like hybrid form and mantain[sic] her beauty. I don't quite get how this is defied, as her centaur form would qualify too... but it works.
- Cerberon: Beastess: Several. Sascia is a hackal. Junapur is big, imposing and strong, with (four) Boobs Of Steel. Jena is a mule half, just as big, strong and intimidating as Junapur, but not as nice, and without such remarkable cleavage. She introduces herself to Thedrik with a punch in the face. The first sounds like a straightish example, so I'll let it slide.
Female example of Beast Man: 8/ 50
- Injustice: The Society: Beastess: She has cheetah-like skin, a cat-like nose, a tail and claws. Just a list of appearence elements, never touches on the physical strength part of the trope.
- Legion of Super-Heroes: Five Years Later: Beastess: Catspaw has the agility, speed and senses of a cat, as well as retractable claws on her fingertips and toes. She has excellent night-vision and animal-like instincts. Just a female character with animal traits.
- The Others (1995): Sliding Scale of Anthropomorphism: The Many vary drastically in their level of anthropomorphism, from Beast Men and Beastesses to the Serpent People, who look like normal snakes with human-level cognition, vocal abilities and facial expressions, to the skunk-people, who are all but indistinguishable from humans at a glance. Used as a female counterpart to Beast Man, even though it's gender neutral.
- Slightly Damned: Beastess: She's a boar woman who absolutely towers over the main cast. As is expected, since she's an Earth demon. Not enough to to explain why she's not just a Beast Man
- Hayate × Blade: Beast: Though Ensuu is almost definitely completely human, she acts quite animalistic at times. When she fights, she resembles a relentless hunter going after its prey. She puts her ear to the ground when she hears something, and she was able to sniff out Yanagi Makoto's location with her nose more accurately than others could with a GPS system. Even the way she eats is utterly devoid of grace; she just tears her food apart and wolfs it down. Numerous people even call her a beast thanks to all this. It's like her title. Has bestial traits, but lack the physical properties.
- Pathfinder Iconics: Beastess: Drawn as a heavily muscled, green-skinned woman with protruding tusks. This does nothing to stop the fans from prettying her up in art. She only gets the needed "prettiness upgrade" in fan art, so I'd put this here.
- LEGO Batman Villains: Beastess: A cheetah that used to be a human woman. Doesn't explain anything beyond her possessing bestial traits.
- Snap The Chessboard And Run: Beastess: Olive is depicted as this by propaganda: her nickname as Public Enemy #2 is "The Brute." Just describes a woman as bestial without the needed other elements.
Just a female monster: 2/ 50
- Characters.Brigadoon Marin And Melan: Beastess: So beastly that she communicates entirely through roaring and growling. Just a monster that happens to be female.
- Castlevania Chronicles: Beastess: This is the only female werewolf in the series to date. How does she compare? The typical series werewolf uses charging attacks, fireballs and a ground pound. This werewolf rips the clock tower apart trying to kill you. This entry is mostly about the werewolf girl being a badass that has little to do with this trope's intended definition.
Misuse that does not fit the above: 2/ 50
- Team Space Hobos RPG: Beastess: After a bad luck at healing potion drinking she was covered in fur ... even in her mouth she now is unable to talk human languages. She's cursed and covered in fur, not at all related to what this trope is conceptually supposed to be.
- Ehrgeiz: Beastess: She may not look physically imposing at first glance, but she definitely counts as this. If she doesn't look the part, it doesn't seem like she qualifies, as physical size is a big part of the description.
ZCE: 17/ 50
- Chaotic: Amazonian Beauty /Beastess: Intress, in the card game anyway. Just a weblink, also a doubled up trope. Bad bad bad.
- DeviantArt Secret Wars: Beastess: Limi can be considered as one Already commented out
- Secret City: Beastess: Moryanas when in battle skin. Just a character name
- Vampire: The Requiem: Beastess: Female Gangrel. Just a group name.
- Tropes B: Beastess: Frequently played straight by female Orcs, Argonians, and Khajiit, though it can range from downplayed to averted depending on the individual in question. (For example, Orcs can range from barbaric berserkers to librarians at a magical college, with examples throughout the series falling all along the spectrum.) Quite a few female Nords (those who lean toward barbarism) also fit this trope. Putting this here as the example is written so broadly and generally that it doesn't really classify much of anything.
- Tropes A to I: Beastess: The eight-foot, fanged and clawed Taura nearly defines this trope. Just describes her appearance, without really giving much more info on how she fits other parts of the archetype.
- The Dating Guy: Beastess: Rhonda, a she-wolf. Mark still does her. Doesn't give much context beyond the fact she is a she-wolf.
- She-Hulk: Enemies: Beastess: She looks like a female version of the Abomination so this is to be expected. Doesn't give a proper physical or attribute description at all.
- Vampires Dont Belong In Fairytales: Beastess: Fights with silver war claws. Nowhere near enough context... and what does a weapon choice have to do with this?
- Mystria: Beastess Pure ZCE
- Looking for Group: Beastess: Check out those fangs. Yet another ZCE
- Decembersville: Beastess Pure ZCE, already commented out
- Star Trek: Voyager: Beastess: Generally fairly mild, although she has her moments. Doesn't describe why she fits at all.
- Nightwing The Animated Series: Beastess Pure ZCE
- Vorkosigan Saga Dendarii: Beastess: Miles describes sex with her as like "being mugged by a Goddess". ZCE, ironically based on her description, she does fit the archetype, but this example lacks the context by itself.
- She-Hulk: Beastess: She looks like a female version of the Abomination so this is to be expected. Just compares appearance to another character.
- The Incredible Hulk (1996): Beastess: Ogress. ZCE
Other/Unclassifiable: 18/ 50
- Video Games: Beastessnote Just notes the name source. Still not a huge fan of a character whose only reason for existing was pornographic stuff being used as a trope namer (especially because she ISN'T a straight example of the trope either).
- Beast and Beauty: The "beast" is usually a male character, due to ruggedness and by proxy beastliness traditionally being considered masculine traits, but there may be exceptions. Just a reference to the trope, although the Beastess isn't exactly mean to be a straight counterpart to the beast in this scenario anyway, as she can be an Amazonian Beauty.
- Mortal Kombat: The full trailer for said DLC not only promises the return of Fujin, Sheeva, Stage Fatalities, and Friendships, but a brand new guest character: none other than Robocop! Just a pothole.
- Innocent Fanservice Girl: Either this is the case of every female warrior in the Outworld of the Mortal Kombat franchise or Stripperific outfits are a dress code for females who work for Shao Kahn. (Of course, even his outfit is pretty skimpy, so the former is likely.) Mortal Kombat 11 goes with the latter interpretation, because as of this game (set 30 years after Shao Kahn has died), all the female characters wear Tamer and Chaster outfits, and Shao Kahn (brought Back from the Dead by new Big Bad Kronika) says that he misses Sheeva's skimpier attire. Just a pothole. Although this is a misuse of Innocent Fanservice Girl.
- Weakness Turns Her On: See also Beastess Just a mention of a trope relation.
- Chainmail Bikini: Pathfinder avoids extreme examples, but Amiri does run around in midriff-baring leather and Imrijka's hauberk shows more cleavage than is strictly practical. But in general, armor for Pathfinder women is more likely to be improbably form-fitting than skimpy. Just a pothole.
- Valhalla: Monstrous Humanoid: Jotunns and Trolls aren't really much bigger than Gods or mortals, but are definitively more ugly and grotesque, especially the male. Female Jotunns tend to be of the Cute Monster Girl variety, with an extreme stretch for Geirrod's daughters. Just a pothole.
- Animalistic Abomination: Ennoia, The Gangrel Antediluvian might be considered as one of the more extreme versions of this trope, considering the way her childer look. Just a pothole
- Men Are Strong, Women Are Pretty: It is a hard balance to strike, and it's difficult to imagine a work in which a beautiful, virgin male character is saved from peril by a grizzled female Anti-Hero who is changed for the better by his pure heart, without the man seeming like a useless wussy-pants whose wuss-ness disqualifies him from being a man and, more importantly, from being saved. Just mentions the trope, although Beastess seems like a questionable one to wick here.
- Vampire-Werewolf Love Triangle: Averted in the Girls' Love Visual Novel Akai Ito, despite having premise of Lesbian Vampire versus Beastess and each of them have a route. Due to the way the routes are written, you can't connect to another character when you're already connected to someone. Just uses the trope to describe a female werewolf.
- Mortal Kombat Mythologies: Sub-Zero: Informed Ability: That being said, besides the mention of her demon form in her Armageddon bio, it's never been seen in action (possibly justified due to the above), and from what's been discerned, her true form is most likely not a Cute Monster Girl or even an attractive Beastess. Also, while likely, it's unknown if Jataaka and Kia have similar demon forms. Just a mention and seems to be a correct reference at least.
- Cool Sword: Thirsty Sword Lesbians has "sword" in the title, so its swords are gonna be cool. When making characters, players choose their character's sword as one of their Aesthetics. These range from "a sword of teeth" (from The Beast playbook) to "an enemy's sword" (from The Reformed). Just a mention of the trope.
- Butter Face: Kinkakumon◊ from Digimon Jintrix. Despite being an Ogre Digimon, that would appear to be some sort animal-fashioned tribal mask Kinkakumon is wearing. Of course, like most female/feminine Digimon with masks/helmets, that begs the question of what her face looks like underneath. Just a pothole.
- Shadowchasers - Other Important Characters: Statuesque Stunner: Zigzagged. Statuesque, certainly, standing six-foot-eight. However, only Mundanes, who can't perceive her true form, see her as attractive to humans. To those who can, she looks more like a Beastess with modern clothing. Just a mention of the trope, although yet again, it seems to have the correct impression.
- Characters as Device Indexing
- Gorgeous Gorgon: Taura from the Vorkosigan Saga, when she's first introduced. Her debut story, "Labyrinth," is, as the title and Taura's own name suggest, a riff on the myth of the Minotaur, with the twist that the "monster in the maze" is a sympathetic and not unattractive eight foot tall bioengineered teenage werewolf-girl. Pothole.
- God Couple: Muramasa: The Demon Blade gives the Tiny Guy, Huge Girl couple of Fuujin and Raijin. Raijin is a visibly and hugely muscular woman (seriously, she'd put any and all female bodybuilders to shame) about 3.5 times larger than the player with little in terms of clothing, a large chest, and monstrous thighs (think "tree trunk-sized") that'd make Chun-Li look like a twig. She's still very beautiful, especially when her "dere" side finally comes to the surface. Fuujin, by contrast, is a very mellow, very adorable little imp, usually calming down the thunder goddess in her less rational moments. He also states (in the original Japanese version and in the Aksys retranslation) that he loves her fat ass. A pothole... holy shit that's a LOT of potholes.
- DC Comics: * Barbara Ann Minerva, Goddess of Beastesses (Cheetah, Priscilla Rich, Debora Domaine, Sabrina Ballesteros) as a Lesser Goddess in the Hall of Anthropomorphic Animals (House of Beasts and Fauna) Just the pantheon character for the trope.
Trope Repair Shop:
Beastess
15th Sep '22 11:41:38 PM
Crown Description:
Concerns have been raised that Beastess, which is an old trope with a two-digit wick count, is redundant with other tropes, such as Beast Man. W Hat should be done with it?
Total posts: 33
~MaLady, I've already told you multiple times to stop using TRS as a backdoor for TLP. You're now suspended from workshops.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Sep 15th 2022 at 5:53:05 AM
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