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#52: Nov 29th 2021 at 7:39:21 PM
I get that now, but shouldn't it be moved back while we're discussing it?
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#53: Nov 29th 2021 at 7:40:55 PM
I compiled the name suggestions (including the redirects that already existed) into a crowner. If Parody Displacement wins, we can keep the page where it is.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 29th 2021 at 9:41:41 AM
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#54: Nov 29th 2021 at 7:41:56 PM
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Ideally yes, but given that if we moved it back it would definitely be moved again in like a week from now, I'm good to leave it at Parody Displacement to make sure nothing gets lost in the shuffle.
Edited by Synchronicity on Nov 29th 2021 at 9:42:25 AM
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#55: Nov 29th 2021 at 7:43:07 PM
I advertised the crowner on ATT.
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#56: Nov 30th 2021 at 1:51:02 AM
Sorry for the double post, but I unstarred the thread per what was said here
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#57: Nov 30th 2021 at 6:05:51 AM
Unsurprizingly, that's a lot of votes.
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#58: Dec 2nd 2021 at 8:01:07 PM
Calling in favor of Parody Displacement.
Since the name is staying the same, wick cleanup is all that has to be done.
507 wicks to go through.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Dec 2nd 2021 at 10:02:05 AM
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#59: Dec 2nd 2021 at 8:12:38 PM
I hope my premature wick migration didn't affect the results...
Anyway, I can start on that in a minute.
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#60: Dec 2nd 2021 at 8:39:18 PM
I doubt it, this thread was already on board with the rename, and the crowners ended up being a formality. Go right ahead.
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#61: Dec 2nd 2021 at 9:19:18 PM
I only said what I did here because the crowner Synchronicity called then was only for whether to rename and wasn't for deciding on the name itself. Since we ended up keeping the name Parody Displacement, wick migration that happened between crowners is a moot point now.
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#62: Dec 2nd 2021 at 9:34:36 PM
So I've cut it down to 401 wicks, and there's a couple wicks I'm not sure how to handle. IReadThatAs.T To Z is directly referencing the page's old name, so I don't know if the entries should be deleted or left as is. And on Trivia.Roger Ebert, I'm not really sure whether to create a YMMV page for him, cut the example, or put it on the YMMV page for the movie (and as a side note, shouldn't the rest of that page be put on his Creator/ page?)
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#63: Dec 3rd 2021 at 6:33:23 AM
I took care of the Trivia wicks (for some reason, multiple pages listed it there even though it's YMMV), and also moved Trivia.Roger Ebert's examples to Creator.Roger Ebert and cut the former. I also turned the I Read That As wick into a pothole since the same thing was done with I Pulled a "Weird Al" after it was renamed to Person as Verb.
The example on Trivia.Scarface 1983 was pure misuse, since it was about a remake becoming more well known than the original.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Dec 3rd 2021 at 8:38:10 AM
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#64: Dec 5th 2021 at 11:46:29 AM
The only non-YMMV wicks I didn't remove just now are the YMMV Redirects wick, an archive wick, a wick on the wick check sandbox, and a Trope Namer entry on Trivia.Weird Al Yankovic that references how "Weird Al" Yankovic provided the previous trope name. Of the remaining 369 wicks, the only ones left should be the ones on YMMV subpages.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Dec 5th 2021 at 1:46:49 PM
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#65: Dec 6th 2021 at 5:11:39 AM
I added this to TRS Wick Cleaning.
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#66: Dec 8th 2021 at 8:39:00 AM
Knocked out a couple of wicks. Will resume later when I have time.
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#67: Dec 14th 2021 at 12:55:07 AM
I got the YMMV/ wicks beginning with A.
A few of things regarding that:
- Some wicks were just "this one thing is more well known than something else that happens to be similar", so I removed them.
- There were some ZCEs that didn't explain how the trope applies (if it did at all), so I removed them as well.
- Some pages listed both Parody Displacement and Weird Al Effect at the same time, so I usually merged the bullet points if the latter wasn't misuse. I'm assuming some people thought the former was a separate trope before it became the name for the latter.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Dec 14th 2021 at 2:55:45 PM
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#68: Dec 25th 2021 at 7:57:28 PM
I took care of the YMMV/ wicks beginning with B and C.
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#69: Jan 6th 2022 at 6:11:00 AM
I took care of the YMMV/ wicks up to F. I'll probably work on more later.
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#70: Jan 6th 2022 at 8:59:54 PM
I got everything up to L, which is up next. I thought though I'd mention that I'm going to turn Weird Al Effect into a disambiguation page because of how often it's used in place of Adaptation Displacement or Older Than They Think, rather than Parody Displacement.
Edit: Done. I added everything that was added to its TRS Wick Cleaning entry.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jan 6th 2022 at 11:07:33 AM
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#71: Jan 6th 2022 at 10:30:51 PM
Oh, that perennial headache Aluminum Christmas Trees.
Say, why isn't Pop-Cultural Osmosis YMMV?
Did the YMMV/L pages.
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#72: Jan 6th 2022 at 11:59:15 PM
I think both Pop-Cultural Osmosis and Aluminum Christmas Trees should be YMMV, but that's a discussion for another day.
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#73: Jan 7th 2022 at 5:01:17 PM
Both tropes are listed on Tropes Needing TRS, and they might get their own threads soon.
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#74: Jan 9th 2022 at 6:54:56 PM
Knocked out the rest of the wicks. Cutlisting the sandbox for the wick check in a bit, lemme save it here For Science!
Weird Al Effect is supposed to be about parodies that are more well-known than their subject. However, many examples refer to any sort of reference or source of inspiration even if it wasn't intended to be a parody.
50/50
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- Black Sheep Hit: Fuzzbubble were a Cheap Trick-influenced Power Pop band, albeit one somewhat incongruously signed to Bad Boy Records, a record label primarily known for hip-hop. The only charting song they were involved in was a Rap Rock remix of Puff Daddy's "It's All About the Benjamins" (you know, the version that formed the basis of "All About The Pentiums"). When their full-length album finally came out, they lampshaded this a bit with its Hidden Track - a cover of "It's All About the Benjamins" In the Style of beat jazz. Refers to Weird Al, so it fits
- Narrow Parody: Several The Three Stooges gags and titles were based off various films and events of their time. Ironically, the spoofed source material was all but forgotten while the Stooges are remembered today. One notable one was Dunked in the Deep (from 1949) where the antagonist was based off accused Soviet spy Alger Hiss. The short's "watermelon gag" (where microfilm was hidden in watermelons) was based off the 1948 "Pumpkin Papers", where four rolls of microfilm of State Department documents were concealed in pumpkins as evidence against Hiss. Only a few historians know much about this today.
- Pantheon.Fighting Moves: Plenty of his admirers have taken quirks and combat moves from him (particularly the use of "ore" as a pronoun for Shōnen heroes) and have made various tributes and parodies of him (again, much to the, confusion of the rest). These include Kamina, Gintoki Sakata, Ataru Moroboshi, among others.
- YMMV.Have Gun Will Travel: There are many more people who know of the mad libs title format "Have X, Will Travel" than know of the show that started it. The title is actually a play on the old expression, "Have suit, will travel," which people used to put on their resumés, meaning that they owned a suit of their own and were willing to travel for a job. The Robert A. Heinlein novel Have Spacesuit Will Travel is a play on the same expression.
- YMMV.Asterix: The pirates are a parody of another French-Belgian comic book series, Barbe-Rouge, with the same characters reused. This series has become quite obscure nowadays, even in France and Belgium, and owes recognition mainly due to Asterix.
- YMMV.In Living Color: In several instances, particularly with their music video parodies, like Crystal Waters' "Gypsy Woman" (remade into "My Songs Are Mindless" with Kim Wayans) or Snow's "Informer" (remade into "Imposter" with Jim Carrey.) Looks correct, but doesn't explain it
- YMMV.Witness: The Simpsons parodying all the Amish coming when the bells are rung is probably more remembered among younger viewers - some of whom might not realise it's parodying the climax of this movie. Same with the episode of 3rd Rock from the Sun where the ice cream scene is parodied.
- YMMV.Patience: These days, the "aesthetic movement" is remembered mainly because it is satirized in this play (and as a footnote to some of Oscar Wilde's works).
- YMMV.Kaamelott: Many French people know the names of Arthur's knights thanks to this comedic series and nothing else.
- YMMV.WhatsOperaDoc: This short is arguably the source of many a modern American person's knowledge of all things Wagner, to the point where some people don't even know the short is actually based on a real opera (as opposed to just being a spoof of Wagnerian opera and its tropes in general).
- YMMV.Megg Mogg And Owl: The characters are based on the Meg and Mog cast, which has since faded into obscurity in comparison to this comic. It's a parody of it, so it counts
- YMMV.Allo Allo: The series was conceived not as a comedy about La Résistance but as a parody of British dramas about them, specifically the BBC's 1977-79 Secret Army, which was popular enough to have its own sequel, Kessler. However, Secret Army ran for only three series and has been largely forgotten, whereas Allo Allo lasted for ten years.
- Trivia.A Prairie Home Companion: the "Ketchup Advisory Board" commercials started as parodies of a series rather smug-sounding Merrill Lynch commercials from The '80s, and have continued long after their inspiration, much like Merrill Lynch itself, are mostly forgotten.
- SmallReferencePools.Live Action TV: Monty Python's Flying Circus and other Oxbridge-derived comedy. Hands up who had heard of Albrecht Dürer before they watched the German Python episodes? Sure! He's that guy that makes colouring pencils, right? If they have, the only picture he ever made was The Young Hare◊ (and sometimes The Praying Hands◊, though that is rarely attributed to him). To be fair, it was made for a German audience, and Germans surely heard of Dürer.
- In the year 2000, the piece was heavily sampled (albeit transposed down to C major) by Vitamin C for her hit "Graduation (Friends Forever)", which resulted in the Weird Al Effect for millions of millennials who associate the Canon with their high school graduations. Covered Up
- Ruslan and Ludmila: Ruslan and Ludmila contain large parts that invoked referencing to and parodying Vasiliy Zhukovsky's ballad "The Twelve Sleeping Maidens" (Zhukovsky, apparently, loved the parody). One guess which is better known today.
- Music: All I'm saying is, there's a reason why "Weird Al" Yankovic has outlasted nearly every musician he's ever parodied.
- DarthWiki.Useless Notes: "Weird Al" Yankovic made every funny song ever, especially the really raunchy sexual ones.
Misuse (20/50)
- YMMV.Guilty Gear: the song "Might is Right but Tight" featured in Guilty Gear Isuka is more memorably featured in I Wanna Be the Guy rather than Isuka itself, due to the fact that this song is used every time you die in the game.
- YMMV.Who Framed Roger Rabbit: Jessica's rendition of "Why Don't You Do Right" was actually much slower and sultrier than the song was traditionally performed before as a standard, per her character, but, probably because she's Jessica Rabbit, this is the take on the song that people recognize and consistently make covers of today (e.g. the China Moses cover on the album Jazz Loves Disney).
- YMMV.Inspector Gadget: Someone who has grown up watching the cartoon may recognize its theme song better than Edvard Grieg's "In the Hall of the Mountain King", which the theme is based on. Musical Pastiche
- YMMV.Inseminoid: The Five Nights at Freddy's jumpscare sound actually originates from the alien birth scene.
- YMMV.The Smurfs: Very few people realize that Gargamel's theme is not an original composition, but an esoteric piece of classical music, specifically "Schubert's Unfinished Symphony". Pop-Cultural Osmosis and/or Covered Up
- YMMV.The Joy Of Painting: There are many, many people who have spent decades watching The Joy of Painting, yet have no idea that it was based entirely on Bill Alexander's The Magic of Oil Painting. Bill Alexander was Bob Ross's instructor in the wet-on-wet method, and Bob's early episodes are nearly indistinguishable from Bill's show in style and technique.note Bill even first used many of the phrases that have become closely associated with Bob Ross: "Almighty ______" "Happy trees" "You can do it." Bill had given Bob permission to use those techniques, and Joy is considered to be something of a sequel series to Magic once Bill decided he didn't want to be on TV anymore. Looks like Pastiche
- YMMV.The Living Tombstone: Their cover of Eurobeat Brony's "Discord" is far more well known and liked than the original version. Covered Up
- ShoutOut.Gravity Falls: The animatronics are a shout-out to Showbiz Pizza. (There's a common misconception that they were inspired by Five Nights at Freddy's, but this was outright denied by the show's team, especially since the episode was completed long before the game's release.)
- YMMV.Cars: The cars all have their eyes on their windshields rather than on their headlights like how they're traditionally portrayed in media. There's a very good chance people may not realize that this design choice is actually a reference to the 1952 Disney short Susie The Little Blue Coupe. Not a parody
- YMMV.Nemesis The Warlock: The comic today is mostly known for being one of the inspirations for Warhammer 40,000.
- YMMV.Star Trek S 1 E 13 The Conscience Of The King: "While TOS was there first, the name "Kodos" has a very different meaning for anyone who didn't see this episode when it originally aired. (...) As such, the stinger on the cold open, which should have you thinking, "Oh my god! Who's that?" instead has you wondering if there's a giant green one-eyed squid thing hiding behind the old guy on stage in the silly costume."
- YMMV.The Simpsons S 9 E 11 All Singing All Dancing: Many people are likely to associate Paint Your Wagon with this episode, thinking that it's a parody cooked up by the writers... until they discover that it's an actual movie. If it's simply a depiction of the movie and not an outright parody of it, it doesn't count
- YMMV.Peer Gynt: The story Peer tells his mother at the start of the play. He claimed he rode a reindeer buck over a mountain pass, and the buck jumped with him into a nearby lake. His mother is quite savvy on the fact that the story has happened to someone else, because she heard it when she was young. Quite true - it stems from the tales of Asbjørnsen and Moe. The Weird Al Effect comes in when the public opinion today associates Peer Gynt with this reindeer trip, not Gudbrand Glesne who was said to actually have done it. He is even mentioned in-play.
- In the middle of Oslo, you will find a bridge with four statues of fairy tale figures. One of them is Peer Gynt riding the reindeer. The statue is an example of this trope. Neither of these look like a parody
- YMMV.Naked Luncht: Most people know about Naked Lunch from The Simpsons episode "Bart On The Road". A satirical reference isn't really the same thing as a parody, and the statement may not even be true anyway
Nelson: I can think of at least two things wrong with that title.
- YMMV.Grey: The whole "fight and kill others like yourself in one off 'missions' to earn points to advance ranks and get fancier weapons" seems like some sort of commentary on online first person shooters (and Grey is just as much of a jerk as a lot of FPS players). Thing is, the story dates from the mid Eighties; Wolfenstein wasn't even 3D yet. Doesn't look like a parody
- YMMV.Grandma Got Run Over By A Reindeer: There's quite a lot of people who don't realize that Dr. Elmo has a lot of Christmas songs besides the one which spawned this special. Many of them, such as "Grandma's Killer Fruitcake," appear in the special, but some viewers mistakenly assume they are original to it. Popcultural Osmosis
- YMMV.Famicom Detective Club: Downplayed. The Portopia Serial Murder Case, which was a strong influence for these games, is well-known in Japan as being the Trope Maker for the entire adventure game and Visual Novel genres. The title is near-unknown in Western circles however, due to the differing evolution of the genre in those territories.
- YMMV.Don Quixote: Barring a few exceptions such as Tirant lo Blanc (which is remembered for being one of the first literary texts written in Catalan / Valencian, and had a Film of the Book made of it) few people today remember the novels that Don Quixote read and Cervantes lists, before throwing them in the bonfire in Chapter 3, and most of them are philologers and historians. One of those novels is remembered today in the USA, sort of: a land conquered for Spain got named for a character in one of those novels - the nymph California.
- WesternAnimation.Bobs Burgers: In-Universe: In "Easy Com-mercial, Easy Go-mercial", after Jimmy Pesto's Super Bowl commercial airs after Bob's, people accuse Bob (who had the idea and made his first) of ripping Jimmy off. Why? Because both have a celebrity endorsement via Sandy Frye's "Because [food] goes great with Frye." catchphrase. A ripoff is not the same thing as a parody
- Litterbox Comics: In-Universe, Vincent thinks his dad's Meowie album is just "bad covers of Kidz Bop songs." Covered Up
- ReferencedBy.Cthulhu Mythos: Dresden Files: In Peace Talks: The cornerhounds are creatures created by Frank Belknap Long called the The Hounds of Tindalos. They're attributed to H. P. Lovecraft by Harry, though (Lovecraft did mention the Hounds in The Whisperer in Darkness, however).
Unclear (12/50)
- YMMV.Body Bags: Thanks to Panda's popularity among certain circles of the internet, mixed with the comic's short length and relative obscurity, it's not hard to find people who know Panda as the attractive pin-up girl the fandom treats her as while knowing nothing of the comic, (or that she's even from a comic at all).
- YMMV.Bill Cosby: The "Chicken Heart" sketch was an actual episode of the radio serial Lights Out, but Cosby's re-telling of him listening to the same is arguably better-known.
- YMMV.Jushin Liger: Most modern viewers know of this series primarily because of the professional wrestler it inspired.
- YMMV.The Lion King 1994: Not a lot of people are aware that "The Lion Sleeps Tonight" existed for over 30 years before this movie came out.
- Funny.Total Blended Drama: Everyone ruining Duncan's horror story by talking about the Weird Al Effect from the internet. note
- Trivia.The Jack Benny Program: The Simpsons' homage of Frank Nelson is far, far better-known among younger generations than the man himself is. Just says "homage", not "parody"
- YMMV.Arby N The Chief: A lot of people had thought that the "pretty cool guy; eh kill aliens and doesn't afraid of anything" snowclone originates from this series. As pointed out by DigitalPh33r himself, it doesn't. What was the original?
- Neither does "My ROFLcopter goes SOISOISOISOISOISOI"- that's an old Microsoft Mike meme. More likely Pop-Cultural Osmosis
- YMMV.The Dungeonmaster: Nowadays, people think the phrase "I Reject Your Reality and substitute my own!" was coined by Adam Savage on MythBusters instead of this movie. His version is the one the trope is based on, though. Was it meant to be a parody, or just a reference?
- YMMV.Private Eye: Some phrases the Eye has kept going are now more associated with it than their original progenitors, such as "as any fule kno", which comes from molesworth.
- YMMV.Josh Groban: Quite a few people got to know Groban's songs due to a couple of them being featured in the The Simpsons episode "Lisa the Drama Queen". For Equalia!
- YMMV.Iron Eagle: Most of you probably know this film as having the same plot as Faster Than the Speed of Love.
- Older Than They Think/Literature: Don Quixote:
- In-Universe: This is only one of the Common Fan Fallacies Alonso Quixano falls into in Part I, Chapter I: Bernardo del Carpio is one of Alonso Quixano favorite knights, because he found the way to defeat Roland the enchanted: instead of attacking him with a sword, Bernardo simply strangled Roland... Cool, isn’t it? But not as cool as the first time this tale was told, as our narrator remind us, when Hercules strangled Anteus, the son of Gaia, in his arms, making this trick Older Than Feudalism. Seeing that Don Quixote was written in 1605, the observation of fans falling for this common fan fallacy is itself Older Than They Think.
"He thought more of Bernardo del Carpio because at Roncesvalles he slew Roland in spite of enchantments, availing himself of the artifice of Hercules when he strangled Antaeus the son of Terra in his arms."
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#75: Jan 10th 2022 at 7:18:01 AM
Closing since it looks like everything's done here, since the wicks were cleaned and the wick check sandbox were cut.
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WeirdAlEffect
29th Nov '21 7:39:32 PM
Crown Description:
Consensus was to rename Weird Al Effect. What should its new name be?
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It was moved there because Berrenta originally called it for that, then Septimus objected on the grounds that it was premature and suggested we redo the vote with a crowner (rather than posts).
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