Hindsight Cleanup

It feels more Harsher than Hilarious.

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Well that is an easy enough fix

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This is on Atlantis: The Lost Empire:

• Harsher in Hindsight: The expedition's crew fixation on the riches they'll gain before their collective Heel–Face Turn seems sadly ironic considering the film's Box Office Bomb status.

Shoehorn.

From Psychic Force:

• Hilarious in Hindsight: Psychic Force as a series is often considered to be "X-Men with more psychic powers and made to be an anime". Cue the Marvel Mangaverse after Psychic Force's run post 1999, which was a heavy hit or miss flop that superficially tried to recreate American superhero classics like Spider-Man, The Fantastic Four, and even the titular X-Men themselves with an anime coating upon the rise of anime and manga in the late 1990s, but with absolutely none of the workings, writing, and appeal that got fans yearning for anime in the first place. And even with the fame of Capcom's Marvel vs. Capcom series, Psychic Force still reigns supreme as the "anime-styled X-Men series".

I feel that this relies too much on Fan Myopia, as well as being shoehorned in to complain.

Found on YMMV.Miss Kobayashis Dragon Maid.

• "Funny Aneurysm" Moment: The various gags revolving around Tohru's fire breath became a lot less cheery to watch after July 2019, when an arsonist set fire to Kyoto Animation (who produced and animated the anime adaptation), killing over thirty-six people (including several who worked directly on the adaptation, such as director Yasuhiro Takemoto) and injuring many others in the deadliest mass murder in Japan since World War II. As tragic as that is, the only thing linking the two events is the presence of fire. Was a dragon's fire breath used to commit the arson? I'll wager it wasn't.

• Hilarious in Hindsight: The meme comparing Kanna to Yu-Gi-Oh!'s Blue Eyes White Dragon became more amusing in August 2019 when Konami released a Dragon Maid theme, which was officially based on this series and even had the author's thumbs up. That's Meme Acknowledgement, not Hilarious in Hindsight.

We don't need to be so literal with the dragon fire one. The dragon gags could count if they burnt down a studio or something else similar to Kyoto Animation. Otherwise it's indeed just fire in common.

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HilariousInHindsight.Fullmetal Alchemist seems... fine. The only entries I feel are stretches are the ones about One Piece voice actors. However, it's nowhere near long enough to warrant being its own page.

Edited by NitroIndigo on Jul 26th 2021 at 7:52:56 PM

Speaking as the one who first added the fire breath point a while back, yeah looking back the connection is a thin one at most, amounting to just "animation studio that worked on a show with a lot of fire-based gags ends up being set on fire." From what I recall, none of those gags entailed setting buildings on fire, intentionally or otherwise.

The point's mirrored on the Anime subpage for FAM too, and in hindsight (wordplay not intended), it was pretty much just a vent edit on my part. I won't be sore with seeing it cut from both of those pages.

Edited by bowserbros on Jul 27th 2021 at 10:00:03 AM

Be kind.

From Paris with Love - remember that time when John Travolta tried to become Chow Yun-fat?

Anyway, this line —

• Harsher in Hindsight: The entire movie has become very hard to watch because of the ISIL-related attacks started from 2014 to now.

- sounds like an easy cut. In context, the film's ending have the hero's Love Interest revealed as a terrorist, and he's forced to kill her before she suicide-bombs an embassey meeting. The Hindsight line seems kinda shoehorned tho...

Yeah, it does seem like one of those examples where the wording implies that those actions only started happening at that point.

Anyway, coming across people questioning an entry related to Our Friend Xiong Xiao Mi, I have to question this entry because it's pretty much the same thing:

• Hilarious in Hindsight: Xiao Mi is similar to Winnie the Pooh while the show itself takes on a Peppa Pig-like art style. This show aired before Winnie the Pooh got Banned in China.

From Astonishing X-Men:

• Harsher in Hindsight: "Torn" which runs on Cassandra Nova's propensity for Mind Rape. In 2017, Joss Whedon's wife wrote an open letter accusing him, among other things, of being a psychologial abuser, which Charisma Carpenter verfied based on her experinces working with him.

In a nutshell, this story is about a psychopatic woman with telepathic powers, who mentally assaults her victims with a series of traumatizing illusions, ultimately manipulating them into setting her free from her prison. The entry is comparing this to the writer's personal life, since he's been accused of psychologically abusing many women throughout his career. I have to ask, is this enough of a connection?

No, it's exactly the same thing. Cut it.

It's a little hard to tell since everyone was accused of being some kind of abuser in 2017, but I personally think it's a stretch, and probably a ROCEJ violation to boot. Oh, and the example itself doesn't explain the connection at all.

Edited by WoodKnapp94 on Jul 27th 2021 at 9:11:51 AM

While removing the Dragon Maid points, I came across this right above it on the Anime & Manga subpage of "Funny Aneurysm" Moment:

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• Sgt. Frog: "Keroro Killed the Radio Star" had one character worriedly comment that their radio show ratings were "dropping faster than an Amy Winehouse song". Funny Take That! then, not so much since July 2011.

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If it were a joke about Winehouse dying that mirrored (or at least closely resembled) the circumstances of her actual death, then I think it might apply given what I've observed here, but this point just seems to amount to a retroactive case of Never Speak Ill of the Dead.

Be kind.

There's these entries in The Cyanide & Happiness Show:

• Harsher in Hindsight:
  • The Stinger to "Baby Factory", in which an alligator tries to pass himself off as a stork (albeit with a very poor disguise) so he could eat one of the babies, can be a little awkward to watch after an incident in Disney World where a 2-year-old boy was snatched and eventually killed by an alligator several months later. This could count IMO.
  • The video "Hello Youtubers" has a girl recording herself for her YouTube channel, only to be interrupted by her sobbing mother coming into to her room and break the news about her fathers' death from a car crash. The girl then proceeds to post the whole recording online and passes it off as a "reaction" video, and later records herself again alongside her father's open casket. This was already pretty pitch black comedy, but can be a lot more cringeworthy after the Logan Paul suicide video controversy in 2018^note  The youtuber filmed and showed himself with the body of a suicide victim he found in a trip to Aokigahara, the "Suicide Forest" of Japan . The girl's reaction was to mourn, not mock the dead person. Seems like a stretch.
• Hilarious in Hindsight: One of Jimmy Wiliams's many scandals was paying with "dirty money" that was up his butt. In 2020, Brazilian senator Chico Rodriguez did exactly this. This article even uses the "dirty money" pun. Maybe it counts, maybe it's a ROCEJ violation?

I'd let the Hilarious entry stay. I think whether you support the guy or not, it's still funny that somebody did that in reality. If nothing else it could be punted to Life Imitates Art.

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This entry from YMMV.The Emoji Movie seems to be backhanded complaining disguised as gushing disguised as a Hindsight entry:

• Heartwarming in Hindsight: The vitriolic reaction towards this movie seems to have motivated Sony Pictures Animation into working on getting out of their Dork Age. In addition to making peace with studio veterans Genndy Tartakovsky, Phil Lord, and Christopher Miller, they have gone on to produce movies that could rival Pixar's for critical acclaim (most notably the Lord/Miller-backed projects Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse and The Mitchells vs. the Machines). Even The Angry Birds Movie received a Surprisingly Improved Sequel courtesy of SPA in 2019 (and a sequel to a film that they weren't even involved with, at that!).

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Yeah, that has nothing to do with the actual movie. Cut.

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Thanks, it's gone.

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Tropes as Old as Time, Shoe-horns Right Behind, Beauty and the Beast...

• Hilarious in Hindsight:
  • Elisa and Goliath of Gargoyles once spent Halloween as Belle and the Beast. Gargoyles' equivalent of kissing is stroking their lover's hair. Think of this during the 3 times when the Beast runs his fingers through Belle's hair. — Fan Myopia and Gargoyles Shoe-horn, although since Gargoyles comes after the movie maybe this anecdote can be added under the cartoon's YMMV. IDK
  • About the part of the castle where the rose is located. It's The West Wing. Repeated mentions of the West Wing being forbidden add to this. — Fan Myopia and The West Wing Shoe-horn.
  • In the scene where Belle takes Maurice back to the cottage in the glen after saving him, Lefou is waiting for them outside disguised as a snowman. With the announcement of the casting for Lefou in the live-action remake, that snowman gag may start to seem a bit familiar considering who's playing him... — Not sure, but sounds like Frozen Fan Myopia. Also the snowman gag is actually rather common in cartoons and whatnot
  • Gaston's general character design makes him look like a more cartoonish Clark Kent. He did grow a ponytail a few years later. — Superman Shoe-horn. Just because they both happened to be buff, muscular Top-Heavy Guy(s)
  • Given that the Beast's design incorporates the eyes of a man, the body of a bear, and the tusks of a boar (along with other bits from different critters), he can be described as ManBearPig! Also appropriately, Maurice raving about the Beast to the dismissive townsfolk is reminiscent of Al Gore's similarly erratic obsession with defeating ManBearPig ("I'm super-duper cereal!"). And then everyone realises he was right all along. — South Park shoe-horn. Also the Beast DO NOT resemble MBP the least.
    • More on that, but notice how prominent Gaston's chin is. BallChin-Boy anyone? — One forced South P Ark shoehorn leads to another.
  • With Doctor Who coming back in 2005, the Beast may seem like a Timelord to new Whovians who grew up with the movie. A clip of the 10th Doctor regenerating into his successor incarnation compared to this clip of The Beast's transformation back to his human self at the end of the move says it all & becomes all the more hilarious since this seems to be the default way regenerations happen since the show came back. Also, The Beast's title is reminiscent of The Doctor's since it's not his real name & they change appearances at points. Time will tell if the 2017 live action movie will follow suit. Then we'll have another case of this outside of this website. Not that some fans didn't notice this already. — Dr. Who shoe-horn. Also, this appears to be an anecdote posted 4 years ago, back when the remake is an upcoming film, which the original editor forgot to update after the fact.
  • In Gaston's Villain Song, LeFou sings, "You can ask any Tom, Dick, or Stanley / And they'll tell you whose team they'd prefer to be on!" A bit of a surprise now that LeFou himself was confirmed to be gay in the 2017 remake. — Unsure. Maybe it can work.
  • The fact that after you watch the movie through for the first time and see for yourself that the large, intimidating, baritone-speaking Beast is really just an early twenty-something year old instead of some primordial monster that an unsuspecting bystander like Belle would assume him to be, you can't watch the movie over again without looking at the all of Beast's behavior and identity as just being a spoiled but naively immature teenager just trying to get a cute girl to like him. It can almost have a high school sitcom tone to it when you watch again. — Shoehorn added by some editor who thinks he's funny.
  • With both the ownership of Marvel Comics and the complete buyout of Fox, Disney now has ownership of two characters who go by Beast. — X-Men shoehorn. Also, A Beast in Name and Nature is a common trope.

Would a work featuring a character that resembles a character from a work that would be released after the former be considered Hilarious in Hindsight? I'm pretty sure no, but I'd like to make sure if this entry in YMMV.I Cartoni Dello Zecchino D Oro should be removed or not:

• Hilarious in Hindsight: "Ho Visto un Re" features a jack character who bears a resemblance to Kronk from The Emperor's New Groove. The video came out in April 2000, eight months before the latter's premiere in American theaters alone.

While a lot of those entries are shoehorns, the second to last one is pure nonsense, and wouldn't even qualify as a Rewatch Bonus. I may cut some of the shoehorned examples later (if they're still there), but the second to last one is gone.

YMMV.Ultraman Cosmos: "Harsher in Hindsight: Cosmos' form made specifically for killing is called Corona." The connection sounds like a stretch to me, it just has a sun motif and not like Covid was "made" for killing.

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That's eerily similar to the "COVID came from a bioweapons lab" conspiracy theory. Slice 'n' dice.

On Digimon Adventure 02:

• Hilarious in Hindsight:
  • Oikawa bears an uncanny resemblance to Tommy Wiseau. Fans noted this, and was even referenced by JesuOtaku.
  • Poromon looks like an Angry Bird.
  • With her purple hair and glasses, Yolei could pass as a gender-flipped Tieria Erde.
  • The D-Terminal, the kids' messaging item that comes with their Digivice, looks a lot like the Nintendo DS.
  • In the Japanese version, one of ninja-themed Shurimon's attack names includes "Konoha." Neil Kaplan, who voiced the character in the dub, later voiced the Big Bad of a far more well-known ninja-themed series, in the Japanese version of which his original VA also had a voice role.
  • Throughout Episode 23, Ken reflects how he's lost his heart and needs to find it. Years later, his voice actor would go on to play another guy who lost his heart.
  • Imperialdramon's "Positron Laser" attack. In 2008, scientists actually discover a way to produce antimatter (namely positrons) in large quantities by using a laser.
  • In the English dub, Ken and Wormmon are respectively voiced by Derek Stephen Prince and Paul St. Peter. Ken's status as former Digimon Emperor becomes all the more amusing when you discover that the two respectively voice Frieza and Sorbet in Dragon Ball Super's Bang Zoom! dub, who have a similar dynamic except Frieza's actually evil. Guess Ken really was reenacting The Emperor's New Clothes after all.
  • After the release of Our Future in Digimon Adventure tri. over a decade later, one viewer lampshades that it's entire main plot has all its major points covered or is similar to Hurricane Touchdown. Both Canon Immigrants are the main focus of the plot, their Digimon eventually succumbs to the virus and dies at the end. In addition, both feature a portion of the cast vanish due to the main antagonist(s), and are rarely if at all brought up for the duration of the plot.

The only ones that can stay are the Positron Laser one and the final one related to Tri.

The best character is always the one-shot disguise.