General Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Thread

Found there's a topic on this, so...

Anyways, we have this new batch of nominees for a while:

• Mary J. Blige
• Kate Bush
• Devo
• Foo Fighters
• The Go-Go's
• Iron Maiden
• Jay-Z
• Chaka Khan
• Carole King
• Fela Kuti
• LL Cool J
• New York Dolls
• Rage Against the Machine
• Todd Rundgren
• Tina Turner
• Dionne Warwick

A few thoughts on this:

• Unfortunately, I think what keeps Kate Bush from getting the nod is the relative obscurity as far as Americans are concerned. Such a shame, because I'm starting a deep dive and am liking what I'm hearing (especially Hounds of Love).
• I'm already kinda peeved that they passed up Judas Priest twice, and Metal doesn't have that much representation, so I hope Iron Maiden gets the nod.
• I never got why Carole King is in under non-performers but never got nominated for influencing the Singer-Songwriter trend. I think she's a shoo-in, a fitting way to mark 50 years of Tapestry's release.
• Wouldn't hurt to see Tina Turner in for her solo effort, given the rocky nature of her relationship with Ike when she's only represented under that.
• C'mon! Induct Todd Rundgren already!
• ... I think it's going to be a while before we see a strong class like 2017 again.

Edited by GrafVonTirol on Feb 22nd 2021 at 3:55:28 AM

And the inductees are in:

• Foo Fighters (there are older rock bands that should be considered first, but I'll take it; also welcome our new double-inductee Dave Grohl)
• The Go-Go's (making them the first all-female band inducted. Yes, band. The all-female groups inducted before them are Girl Groups)
• Jay-Z (honestly, I'm ambivalent about rap acts in the RHOF. Given it's an offshoot of the kinds of R&B that's always been inducted from day one, I... don't care as much. But much like Foo Fighters above, there are acts in the genre I'd consider first [eg A Tribe Called Quest for starters...])
• Carole King (they should have done this long ago)
• Todd Rundgren (I thought they're going to give him the same treatment as Nile Rodgers, and I won't object to that either. Seeing him in is great.)
• Tina Turner (our second ever female double-inductee)

Musical Excellence:

• LL Cool J (well, he's been nominated so many times, and he's also known for finding talent in the early days of Hip Hop, so it makes sense)
• Billy Preston (would be a nice touch to have either surviving Beatle induct him)
• Randy Rhoads (I'm seriously bummed that Iron Maiden didn't get in, but I'll take this)

Early influences:

• Kraftwerk (why not a full induction? I know they expanded "early influences" beyond just rock and roll influences, but still.)
• Gil Scott-Heron (around in the 70's, so I also don't get the "Early Influences" for him. He is important for influencing modern genres anyhow, but...)
• Charley Patton (in the classic sense of "early influences", fitting.)

Ahmet Ertegun Award:

• Clarence Avant

Edited by GrafVonTirol on May 19th 2021 at 5:32:57 AM

Nominees for 2022:

• Beck
• Pat Benatar
• Kate Bush
• Devo
• Duran Duran
• Eminem
• Eurythmics
• Judas Priest
• Fela Kuti
• MC5
• New York Dolls
• Dolly Parton
• Rage Against the Machine
• Lionel Richie
• Carly Simon
• A Tribe Called Quest
• Dionne Warwick

My two cents:

• Please stop cockblocking metal fans, Rock Hall! Induct Judas Priest dammit!
• One rap act will be a sure thing. Looks like A Tribe Called Quest would have to wait another time.
• Pat Benatar and Fela Kuti both got a lot of fan votes when they last got nominated. We'll see if it falls in their favor this time. I think the former would get in.
• I do believe Warwick can get in this time. That documentary is still fresh after all.

Edited by GrafVonTirol on Feb 2nd 2022 at 2:16:15 AM

I'm doing a "project" where I'm picking out one album each by every nominee this year and finding it to stream someplace. Going alphabetically it's been Odelay, Crimes of Passion, and Hounds of Love so far. It'll be interesting for me because I'm familiar with every artist by name but don't necessarily know their work too well: Fela I essentially know through Pop-Cultural Osmosis only

So some time back, Dolly Parton gracefully bowed out from the ballot, feeling there are acts deserving of this distinction rather than her at least for the time being.

Edited by GrafVonTirol on Mar 18th 2022 at 9:18:48 AM

And this year's inductees are:

• Pat Benatar (not surprising)
• Duran Duran (the biggest fan vote, so can't say I'm too surprised)
• Eminem (this first year rap artist nod trend is getting a bit silly imho)
• Eurythmics
• Dolly Parton (not everyday you see a country musician make it. She may be willing to concede it to someone else, but she did wind up still getting the honor)
• Lionel Richie (and they still haven't considered the Commodores? This is ludicrous)
• Carly Simon (I'm surprised she wound up getting it, but it's a welcome surprise indeed)

Musical Excellence:

• Judas Priest (I have a very bittersweet feeling about this. On one hand, I'm happy that they're in by some account. On the other hand, this nod has "There, you happy?" vibes written all over it, and a backdoor nod just felt cheap)
• Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis

Early Influences:

• Harry Belafonte
• Elizabeth Cotten

Ahmet Ertegun Award:

• Allen Grubman
• Jimmy Iovine
• Sylvia Robinson

Edited by GrafVonTirol on May 4th 2022 at 11:35:28 AM

Just wanted to note that Eurythmics actually got the most votes out of all the inducted acts.

The nominees for this year:

• Kate Bush
• Sheryl Crow
• Missy Elliott
• Iron Maiden
• Joy Division/New Order
• Cyndi Lauper
• George Michael
• Willie Nelson
• Rage Against the Machine
• Soundgarden
• The Spinners
• A Tribe Called Quest
• The White Stripes
• Warren Zevon

My two cents:

• Possibly the most influential name on the list has to be Joy Division.
• Okay, maybe this time Kate Bush gets in. The Stranger Things bump should by now be a good omen for her.
• Looks like Dolly Parton really opened up the country acts. If anything I'm surprised Willie Nelson wasn't considered sooner.
• Here we go again with the metal act being nominated. Why do they still refuse to induct that much of them?

Edited by GrafVonTirol on Feb 1st 2023 at 6:20:29 AM

This is a solid list of artists.

I voted for ATCQ, RATM, Soundgarden, Maiden and Kate Bush.

https://vote.rockhall.com (Fan vote)

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My predictions for the next few years.

2025: Linkin Park becomes eligible, and they will likely be inducted. Shame that Chester will never live to attend his induction.

2026: Gorillaz is the most successful fictional band since The Monkees (they should've been inducted ages ago).

2028: Kanye West and Beyoncé become eligible. Beyoncé is a stone-cold lock, but I'm not sure about Ye because of his meltdown.

https://futurerocklegends.com/Future_Eligibles/

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Jon Landau has retired as Chairman of the Hall of Fame.

Rick Krim was named as his replacement. He worked for MTV from '82 to '94, and VH1 from 2001 to 2014.

Krim is a fan of progressive rock, and joined the Nominating Committee in 2008/09.

Krim has shown support for snubbed artists such as Iron Maiden, Oasis, and other artists from the music video era.

He has also produced a few music documentaries.

https://futurerocklegends.com/blog_files/Rick_Krim_new_NomCom_Chairman.html

Edited by shaynaynaynot on Feb 6th 2023 at 1:39:40 AM

This year's inducted members:

• Kate Bush (Finally!)
• Sheryl Crow
• Missy Elliott
• George Michael (the fan vote winner)
• Willie Nelson (I'm surprised he's never considered sooner)
• Rage Against the Machine (after five times trying)
• The Spinners (seems like forever since a classic R&B group got in)

Musical Influence (makes more sense than Early Influences these days)

• DJ Kool Herc
• Link Wray

Musical Excellence

• Chaka Khan (they tried numerous times in the past to get her in. Seems this could work)
• Al Kooper (of "Like a Rolling Stone" and Blood Sweat And Tears fame)
• Bernie Taupin

Ahmet Ertegun Award

• Don Cornelius

Edited by GrafVonTirol on May 3rd 2023 at 10:16:45 AM

you did say you thought one of the things keeping Kate Bush out was relative obscurity in the US - so now I almost think Stranger Things had something to do with her finally getting in.

Old Town Road got Nine Inch Nails in, so if an older act has a sudden resurge in popularity and isn't already inducted you can expect the Hall of Fame to nominate and induct them.

So, Jann Wenner has been removed from the R&R HOF board of directors:

https://blabbermouth.net/news/jann-wenner-removed-from-rock-hall-board-after-comments-about-black-and-female-musicians

2024 nominees:

• Foreigner
• A Tribe Called Quest
• Jane's Addiction
• Ozzy Osbourne (who's already in with Sabbath, but his solo work is also induction-worthy!)
• Peter Frampton
• Mary J. Blige
• Sinéad O'Connor
• Mariah Carey
• Dave Matthews Band
• Lenny Kravitz
• Oasis
• Sade
• Kool & the Gang
• Eric B. & Rakim
• Cher

A few worthy choices. Too many far from rock (seriously, Mariah?). And still ignoring bands that should've gotten in long ago like Soundgarden, Iron Maiden and Alice in Chains. Let's see where this goes.

I'm starting to wonder if the likes of King Crimson (especially considering that they are influential in prog and their big contemporaries got in already) or Captain Beefheart (plenty of inducted acts explicitly name him as an influence) would ever get the nod.

Edited by GrafVonTirol on Feb 19th 2024 at 1:32:14 AM

This year's class:

• Mary J. Blige
• Cher
• Dave Matthews Band
• Foreigner
• Peter Frampton
• Kool & The Gang
• Ozzy Osbourne
• A Tribe Called Quest

Plus Jimmy Buffett, MC5, Dionne Warwick and Norman Whitfield in the 'musical excellence' side inductions, that could be the way to finally induct acts like the two mentioned above. And already saw some question Frampton, who is mostly recognized for the three singles from Frampton Comes Alive! and collaborations, and that he was better off inducted as part of Humble Pie.

Also for Early influences: Alexis Korner, John Mayall (both for British blues) and Big Mama Thornton (it took until now? You've got to be kidding! I didn't realize she never got the nod earlier)

And for Non-Performer: Suzanne de Passe

Edited by GrafVonTirol on Apr 22nd 2024 at 12:49:47 PM