This is a "Wild Mass Guess" entry, where we pull out all the sanity stops on theorizing. The regular entry on this topic is elsewhere. Please see this programme note.
The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen aka: League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen
open/close all folders
The Comic Part 1
The Juggalos are a sizable religious cult in this universe
Why? Because the spirits of the Dark Carnival are real. Though they're far too fringe to be considered a mainstream religion, their followers make up a group almost as large as the Cthulhu cult, and they're classified as religious terrorists in some parts of the world. Oliver Haddo tried to recruit them into his group at one point note Presumably, he learned about the Carnival when he was doing research for his essay on the Great Old Ones, but they just trashed his headquarters and showered him with Faygo.
Or perhaps they're a Spin off of the Hi Hats street gang
Because if you're going to become an all-powerful Mega Corp. with a monopoly on space exploration, what better place to start? In Century: 2010, they'll appear in the background as the manufacturers of an iPod/iPhone analogue that shows up everywhere. It wouldn't be 2010 without one, after all...
Alternatively Apple could become Aperture Science. The timelines don't quite work out, but both companies, founded by gaunt, eccentrically brilliant men who died before their time because of a painfully slow disease, have a fondness for manufacturing powerful computers with user-friendly, smooth, white designs. After all, what's Siri for the iPhone but a less powerful, less homicidal version of GLADOS?
The MULTIVAC is this universe's version of the iPod/iPhone
Before it was the universe's greatest supercomputer, it started out its life as an all-purpose entertainment storage device that everyone on the planet wound up owning. It'll show up in Century: 2010 when it's still in its "entertainment device" phase.
They started out as one of the world's first big software corporations before eventually making the brain-interface computers used by cyberspace cowboys to jack into the Matrix. They're also the manufacturers of a video-game console called the "X-Deck", which eventually evolves into the ever-popular Simstim deck.
Well, it is supposed to be a Crisis Crossover of all fiction, and it's dabbled in everything from Victorian Adventure novels, to 1950s spy serials, to Jack Kerouac, H.P. Lovecraft, and Charlie Chaplin so far. It seems like Westerns would be a logical step. The Man With No Name is one of the most iconic heroes out there, and he'd probably still be alive (though aged and possibly retired) by the 1890s. At some point, when the League was really strapped for cash, they tracked him down to steal the cache of gold that he wrested from the Confederates in The Good, the Bad and the Ugly.
Perhaps his real name is William Munny. Alternately, he's another immortal who has appeared as many variants of the "Man With No Name" archetype through the years. Or he's a time traveler whose real name is Roland Deschain.
Or that portal in the top room of the Dark Tower actually sent Roland into a parallel Earth, where he decided to forget his quest and spend his life wandering through the West. He doesn't have a name because the portal erased all memory of his previous life, and he genuinely doesn't know his own name.
Alan Quatermain becomes Alan Moore
I sat around and this just came to me (way too much time on my hands). In the Leagues universe all fiction is true and is actually a biography of true events right? And also all books in our universe was written in the Leagues universe too right? Well then this series has to also exists in the League's universe, but most of this stuff was secret government missions, so no one would know what happened, and because of the Ingsoc years, its thought that all these people really were fiction. So then only a person with first person knowledge of these events would be able to write them, and considering that Alan Quatermain is both immortal and apparently dissapears after the epilogue of 1969, it is possible that he took up a pen name, grew a beard, and began to write these down as comics. It also explains why in the first two volumes, Quartermain was an Author Avatar for Moore, becuase in this universe he is him.
Jossed; Allan dies at the end of Century 2009, with a funeral vaguely reminiscent of his burial in the film.
Mars, in this universe, eventually becomes known as Arrakis
I doubt this was intentional, but still...the outfit that Gullivar Jones wears in the second volume reminded me a lot of a Fremen stillsuit, complete with a gasmask and Arab-inspired robe/burnoose combo. Combined with the various Middle-Eastern motifs in the Mars scenes (hell, the book opens with Gullivar riding a flying carpet), it seems more than a little bit reminiscent of Dune. Then again, if The Invisible Man and H. G. Wells' martians both exist in the same universe around this time, it's a pretty safe bet that The Time Machine exists as well. It's entirely possible that one or more of the characters could have used it to visit the future that Frank Herbert described in the Dune books. And Gullivar and John Carter did mention the Molluscs performing genetic experiments during their time on Mars. Maybe the Sandworms are the descendants of one of these experiments.
The existence of the The Time Machine was confirmed in the Story Allan and the Sundered Veil, in which he fights alongside Allan against Lovecraft's Great Old Ones, so the theory definitely works.
It may or may not have been intentional, but Jess Nevins also noted the connection in his annotations for Volume 2, mentioning that Gullivar seems to be drawn with eyes that are a lot bluer than the other characters in the series, possibly in reference to the Eyes of Ibad exhibited by users of the Spice. You're not the only one who noticed it.
Same passage also notes that Gullivar could well be a Fictional Counterpart of Lawrence of Arabia, which Paul Atrides also was for Frank Herbert. Is it possible that Paul here is a fabricated identity created by Gullivar?
As for chronology problems, they were mostly glossed over in the case of 1984's Ingsoc government, so why not here?
Jonathan Harker wasn't necessarily the bad guy in his marriage with Mina.
In the League universe, Jonathan Harker has apparently discarded Mina and divorced her because of his disgust with the severity of the injuries she received at the hands of Dracula and her now being "soiled" goods. But in the original novel Dracula, Jonathan is a more loyal, caring and loving husband than this later coldness would have us believe. So why did Jonathan and Mina split up?
It's worth noting that everything we hear (what little we hear) about the breakdown of Mina's marriage comes from Mina herself. Mina is not only bitter about her marriage, but is also noticeably neurotic and insecure about her injuries. She wears the long scarf twenty-four seven to obscure them; she is touchy about any mention of her history (both about her divorce and before); and, when she realizes that Allan has seen her scars after their night of passion, she automatically believes the worst about his reaction, so much so that she treats him coldly until he manages to convince her to let him hear him out.
It's possible that Harker wasn't disgusted by Mina's injuries at all — or, at least, wasn't as disturbed as Mina would have us believe. But Mina, already sensitive to the point of neurosis about her injuries, managed to convince herself that Jonathan felt that way about her. Then she treated him just like she did Allan; and, since Harker had hidden his own traumas at the hands of Dracula, he didn't force the issue. The resulting lack of communication eventually poisoned the marriage so badly that divorce was the unfortunate conclusion.
Even if Jonathan WAS the bad guy in his marriage to Mina, it wasn't her scars that caused it.
Mina had once been a relatively proper Victorian woman, but her harrowing experiences with Dracula left her emotionally unavailable, and also quick to pick a fight and defend herself. Jonathan had been raised with a blinkered view of how a woman should behave, and when she began to deviate from that, he found it hard to articulate his real displeasure with her, and settled on using her scars as the excuse.
She noticeably became hugely aroused when Alan licked her scars, similar to the way a Vampire Bat will lap up blood after the initial puncture with its dry tongue - an implication that she is familiar with the feeling, and that she finds it a turn-on. Possibly she developed her complex out of sexual guilt about how much more sexy the Count was compared to good old Jonathan?
At some point the League will meet other immortals
The James Bond character in Black Dossier is not the same man who appears in the Bond novels and movies.
As in the original Casino Royale movie (and one of the theories on the James Bond WMG page), the name is passed on to whatever agent currently holds the 007 rank.
He's certainly not Pierce Brosnan. But it's possible that he's Roger Moore.
It could be the James from the novels. The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen doesn't pay much attention to the continuity of the films, just classic literature.
But they do use characters from movies — for example, Hynkel from The Great Dictator.
Yes, but there does seem to be a distinct preference for the original versions of various characters, regardless of which medium they first appeared in. Hynkel first appeared in his movie, Bond did not.
Seeing as it is set in 1958 and he's just returned from Jamaica, it would place him within the timeframe of the book, set in 1958. The film was set in 1962. This Bond also resembles the novel Bond.
I'm inclined to agree. On the other hand, Sean Connery's Bond as he appears in the film version of Goldfinger can be found in Century 1969.
Alternately, Bond bathed in the life-restoring fire from She just like Alan and Mina did, and he remains an active secret agent from the 1950s up to the 2000s. Considering how iconic the character is, it would make sense to have him remain an active player in the series through several successive decades (unlike a lot of other characters in the series, his popular exploits aren't confined to a single brief time period).
2009 makes it clear that that Bond was supposed to be Connery (and his final fate is a fittingly Moore-like response to his role in the movie. The various other Bonds that appear in 2009 cover the rest of his incarnations, right up to Daniel Craig.
Close. Connery actually shows up, sans-hairpiece, as one of the movie Bonds. It's implied that the original James Bond is the one from the Fleming novels.
This troper wants to believe that the original, literary Bond is the David Niven incarnation, as he's Bond for Casino Royale. After that his nephew (Jimmy!) takes over, and goes on to become the Sean Connery-incarnation Bond. (Still haven't worked out film vs. book chronology entirely, but it's a start).
Actually works out pretty well, if we assume several incarnations were in the field at once (and remember, we see both Daniel Craig and Roger Moore together in Century: 2009).
And Daniel Craig also lived through the events of Casino Royale... because... uh- it's a simulation organized by M, based on the earliest 007 case, to test him? Maybe?
Lazenby was, in this universe, the only Bond who was actually a decent human being
Only actual martial artist to play Bond, so presumably more of a threat in a fight. Plus, Lazenby quit being Bond after his agent warned him that such a misogynistic character couldn't survive through the liberal seventies- misogyny is one of Moore's major complaints against Bond. Plus, he may have married Emma/ Tracy, so he's obviously not as much a bastard as Connery!Jimmy.
"A bookish academic who is also an expert vampire-killer." Did I just describe Van Helsing or Giles?
The Watchers' Council was technically founded in ancient times. Van Helsing was either a member or worked alongside them. He was so influential that he helped turned it around.
Moore has stated that he wants to use Buffy for the last chapter of Volume 3, so I wouldn't be surprised if this was canon.
Van Helsing's (allegedly) Dutch, while the Watchers originated in Africa. Is it possible the organization switched custody during the Boer Wars? It'd be pretty typical Moore to blend popular culture with controversial history.
The pool of immortality is the remains of a crashed TARDIS.
Though it usually grants straight-up immortality, some people who bathed in it do die & regenerate. Alan died of old age before becoming "A.J.", Ayesha went from being African to Asian at some point, ina turned blonde (although her scars remained, possibly due to being supernatural). It is said to be something that fell from outer space, so it's as good an explaination as any. We know The Doctor exists in the Leagueverse, as his TARDIS shows up briefly in Black Dossier & NTA makes a brief mention of the Silurians, connecting them with The Creature from The Black Lagoon.
Mina's blondness is in fact an effect she created via a wig or dye or something. In her adventures post-fountain, Pre-Dossier, she retains her brunetteness.
Jossed by the first issue of LOEG: Century - it's a product of a black monolith
Mina's blondness nature have been denied on Century Issue 2. She just dyed her hair blond, and now she's back being a brunette, though her color is a bit more of red than before (maybe she just died a little red, or its just color issues).
The creators of Superman apparently based Metropolis partly on Toronto and partly on Cleveland, Ohio. And when Mina and Allen went to America per Black Dossier, they didn't visit Metropolis. Because it was in another country. Therefore, our Big Blue Boy Scout is secretly... a Canuck. Don't ask me about all the Superman knockoffs this world must have, though.
Just as Orlando surpassed his father Tiresias in gender-bending, Jack will surpass Orlando in immortality and promiscuity.
Unfortunately you forget that Jack got his revivication abilities from Rose a.k.a. the Bad Wolf Entity, he did not inherit them like Orlando.
Orlando didn't inherit them either, he got them from the Ugandan pool with a smashed monolith.
The world of the League is actually the Land of Fiction from the Second Doctor serial "The Mind Robber"
Pretty strait forward. Note that when the Doctor bumped into Lemuel Gulliver, he was incapable of realizing that his world was "unreal"- he couldn't perceive the Master's robot guards. So clearly the whole League-verse is just a constructed reality located adjacent to the Whoniverse, and none of the fictional inhabitants notice any of it. If you need any further proof, the First and Eleventh doctors can be seen in Century: 2009, looking as if they're involved in something serious- definitely getting involved in some new Land of Fiction- oriented adventure.
The various "higher powers" - the gods and the Great Old Ones and whatnot - will one day evolve into the Arisians and the Eddore from the Lensman series.
Hey, en't no one else around to do the job.
For this to take place, the Lensman timeline has to start fairly soon- requiring that World War III break out. Eep!
The Elder Gods belong to the same race of beings as the Ainur.
The Sorns exist on Barsoom, suggesting that it is the same world as Malacandra. Numenor is mentioned in That Hideous Strength.
If by the time the series catches up to the modern day Oliver Haddo, i.e., every dark wizard from British fiction, isn't referred to by some variant of "He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named", this troper will eat his hat.
If not Voldemort, then Harry Potter himself definitely will. King's Cross has already been established as an important locale, so it's not unlikely that we we'll see a black haired young man with a familiar scar on his forehead walking along in the background.
For what it's worth, Moore already featured parody versions of Harry Potter and Dumbledore in the Smax miniseries.
Also, Hogwarts is already in, at least by implication - Century includes a mention of 'the franchise express' departing from Victoria Station. So if the train's there, presumably so are all the characters.
Tom Riddle appears as himself but he isn't an avatar or expy of Crowley until he ends up possessed by Haddo's spirit.
Indeed cleared in 1969 - Tom Riddle is the latest host to Oliver Haddo's spirit.
In fact, based on what we now know of both Haddo's soul and Harry's origin story, it's possible that a grown-up Harry could be the villain of the third installment. Consider - Haddo's soul passes through three hosts, choosing a younger body to live longer. Harry had a portion of Riddle's essence, hence his Parseltongue. Little bit of misdirection in the final book, and oh look, Haddo has given up his previous body for a younger one, and gets to carry out his endgame.
Roughly confirmed. While Riddle's not the Big Bad, Harry is although he hasn't held true to Haddo's goals as of yet.
Word of God states that a Sikh terrorist descended from Nemo will appear in the final volume. There are few other Sikh villains said to live in this time period that would fit.
I... I think my head just broke from how cool that would be...
Is it possible the terrorist is V? I don't know how the years mesh up, but being a Sikh (or a known descendant of Nemo for that matter) would be enough to get someone sent to the camps.
That would be wonderful, but in the Graphic novel, V died in 1998 bringing down Norsefire with him. Though, if the image of 2009 in Century: 1969 is anything to go by, it's likely that old regimes die hard.
Not so. A cursory inspection of the collected V for Vendetta shows V to be alive and well at the end of the story...
Apparently josses by Century 2009, where the descendant is revealed to be the unremarkable "Jack Nemo."
But this could still work; if Little Jack takes the nickname Khan (after Shere Khan, a famous tiger from his home country), he could be Khan No-name, the Sikh.
The Golliwog is the same race as the creators of the TMA Monoliths
He has already been stated to hail from a "dark matter dimension" and made of a material that completely absorbs light. Since the first issue of Century has him sailing to the moon, we may see him make a connection to his home world via the monoliths.
By the final issue of Century, Emma Peel will become the next "M"
In the Black Dossier she was offhandedly referred to as "Em," and we know that she will eventually rise through the ranks of British Intelligence. If the Bond-as-codename theory is correct and the League follows this theory, the Bond of the final volume will be Daniel Craig's incarnation, who answers to an M played by Judi Dench. Emma could fit this role nicely.
Alternatively, the role of M will bee taken by Malcolm Tucker. After all, he seems to run everything else in British government.
Morlocks, the Time Traveler, and characters from Metropolis have already appeared in League canon. The future in The Time Machine was, according to Wells, the result of trillions of years of class division (Metropolis) and division of labor (Brave New World) brought about by industrialism and capitalism (Atlas Shrugged).
All of this works except for Metropolis. It's already canon that the titular Metropolis is actually Berlin in the early 20th century. The robot Maria was a member of the German league as early as the 1910s, as established in Black Dossier.
If we're talking about dystopic and apocalyptic fiction, thought, Mad Max could easily fit.
I'd like to imagine that the Mad Max dystopia is isolated in Australia. The reckless driving may also be what finally kills the last of the Liliputians
All of this will probably be in the far future...and both Danger Days and the Mushroom War probably has something to do with Orlando.
THX 1138 also takes place in the future. But it happens a century after Brave New World. Apparently, some kind of nuclear war happened since then, which resulted humanity to live underground. After the end of the movie, THX chose to live above the surface and mingled with any surviving humans and became the founding father of the Eloi society.
Actually, it does not seem hard to picture Atlas Shrugged happening sometime after World War II. Jet planes are described as a technology that is relatively new and television is described as a novelty rather than something commonplace, putting the technology level at the 1950s. Also, there is mention to "People's States" in South America and Europe, capitalism as we know it is an ideal from the 19th century, and countries around the world are seeing big-government Marxist statism ... fitting in with the establishment of Ingsoc and Big Brother in Britain.
All, and I mean ALL, of the Post-Apocalyptic forms of work (comics, manga, films, literature and music) will be depicted, or exist along, after some kind of nuclear war
Its a widespread factoid that the first Batman story cribs its story nigh-word-for-word from a The Shadow story. So, here goes: all the adventures that are specific to Golden Age Batman are actually Shadow adventures. Batman will start sometime in the 60s, and be accompanied by some twit kid who says "Holy invisibility!" a lot.
In the Wold Newton timeline, Batman's Golden Age adventures and the LXG are canon. The 60s Batman could be Dick Grayson and 60s Robin is probably Bruce Wayne Jr.
Batman would start being active in 1939, when he first appeared.
After Bruce's forced retirement, Dick took on the role with his side kick Bruce "Damian" Wayne Junior. This Batman was the one we saw in the 60s, more light-hearted and hip, but over time, he couldn't handle the heavy stress work from being Batman, he gave the title to his recently ressurected brother, Jason Todd.
His tenure was replaced by a certain Jean-Paul Valley, who was a poor choice in Jason's part and mentally unwell. This forced Dick Grayson to return as Batman and remove Jean-Paul forcefully from his tenure as Batman.
It would make a lot of sense if he did. One of the main conceits of the series is that the world of fiction is a strange mirror to our own world, and events in fiction run parallel to the world of fact, a la the Hitler/Hynkel doubling. At the end of V for Vendetta, the film version at least, everyone in Britain marches on Parliament wearing V's mask. In real life, that iconic V mask has been used by the hacking group Anonymous as well as the Occupy movement around the world. The world of fiction in V for Vendetta spilled over to the world of fact. It wouldn't be out of place to see a protest featuring people wearing V's mask in the final volume of Century at all, even if the story *wasn't* set in a world of fiction.
Mr. Flint is another immortal from the Pool Of Life
Before the end of the 20th century, our heroes will live through some kind of nuclear exchange
A lot of fiction has been made based on the idea that there was some kind of atomic war in the three generations after World War II. A lot. If its coming, then we ought to see it sometime around The Eighties, since atomic war fiction before then tends towards potenially kick-ass after-effects (example off the top of my head - Asimov's "I, Robot" collection), while fiction during and after then points up potentially horrific side-effects (Threads, Mad Max), while also marking a rise in the number of guntoting goons in pop fiction. Maybe it ties into the Crisis on Infinite Earths, maybe it doesn't. Whichever, our protagonists better dress up warm, and start watching out for cyborg-versus-atomic-zombie brutality...
It's possible that The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy will be involved. In Black Dossier, Oliver Haddo pointed out that the number of Smarra (the harlot said to bring the end of the world) had a sacred number of four hundred and forty-two. If this is the case, the number forty-two might play a role in the Apocalypse.
David Palmer turns out to be president in Century: 2009. Which raises the question of what happened with the Santos election. (Assassination? Backs down in favor of Palmer? Maybe Palmer in the League-verse is candidate of a third party?)
Given that Santos had no V.P. (after Leo McGarry's death on election night), perhaps Palmer was his V.P. and then Santos either quit or was murdered.
If Voldemort has received the Crowley expy and the Moonchild may still take decades to create, it only follows...
Well, that couuuuuld make sense. However, as the last issue of Century is set on 2010, and Harry Potter is no longer a child (more likely, an auror, maybe), and the Moonchild is told to be born on the year of 2010, then the chances are harsh. Let's wait to see.
Depends on how a Moonchild works - Harry could be the vessel for Moonchild-related energies that are summoned into him (and seeing as how Haddo has a variation on Crowley's "love is the law" phrase at the end of his treatise on the gods in Black Dossier, and how Harry is infused with his mother's love, it's certainly possible that he's undergone initial preparation (disclaimer: I know very little about Thelema or Crowley's novel The Moonchild, so I could easily be talking out of my arse)).
Regarding Potter and connections to Crowley - I doubt that Rowling studied much about the occult, despite accusations lobbied against her by certain religious groups. Mythology, sure, but not Crowleyan occultism. Still, one thing came to mind - Crowley's "Liber 777" describes how divine knowledge reaches humanity through the Sephirot in a path that resembles three backwards sevens, hence the title. It's possible that this Moonchild is meant to be a magical savior, connecting humanity to the path of the divine a la the ending to Alan Moore's Promethea. As such, it would make sense for Haddo/Crowley to mark his Moonchild with a symbol of *three sevens in the shape of a lightning bolt.*
From Monty Python's Life of Brian, Brian is set like a messiah, just like Jesus. And, as we have seen through the comics that real life figures have been replaced by his fictional counterparts (The Beatles — The Rutles, Adolf Hitler — Adenoid Hynkel, Queen Elizabeth — Queen Gloriana, Mick Jagger and The Rolling Stones — Turner Purple and The Purple Orchestra), it could make sense that Brian is the League's Christ figure (without replacing the names of "Jesus" or "Christ", as they were just translations of the real name of Jesus).
This is, of course, assuming that Jesus existed on real life, and I presume the League's universe would take Brian as a messiah (being humans too, they would, I presume). Don't start a flame religious war here, it's just a WMG that occured to me.
This theory would only work if Brian was a Jesus stand in. But the film clearly states that Brian is not the messiah (he's a very naughty boy!) and he is not Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus himself appears twice in the film - once during the Nativity and once preaching his Sermon on the Mount. And in both instances Jesus was depicted in an orthodox Christian way. In the League universe, Jesus is likely still Jesus. Brian's cult probably sputtered and died soon after his crucifixion. Although a Gnostic-style cult centered around Brian might be interesting...
A theory about Brian being the real messiah, and not Jesus, on the League's universe? That would be something.
In this universe, it's probably more likely that Karl Glogauer is Jesus.
Or the Caveman from "The Man from Earth." Or any other fictional version of Jesus.
A statue in The Black Dossier seems to suggest that this world's equivalent of Christ is Ben Hur.
If either of these guesses are true...why aren't either of their names being used when Commandment number 3 gets broken?
Technically, they would still say "Christ" either way, since "Christ" just means "anointed". It's possible that the phrase "Ben-Hur Christ!"/"Brian Christ!" just never really entered the popular lexicon in this world, since neither of them really have the same ring as "Jesus Christ!"
Orlando actually does say "Jesus Christ" when she recognizes Alan in Century: 2009.
The League-verse's Magi got it wrong (uh... twice). Or they just decided to choose Jesus over Brian because they didn't want to have to include Brian's mother in the New Testament (could you blame them?).
Of course, if Brian is the Messiah, that would make Naughtius Maximus the Christian God...
The League-verse's Dr. Caligari is the one from the hallucination, not the actual psychiatrist. And we see evidence that the cop purgatory from Ashes to Ashes exists in the League-verse, not as a separate dimension. So maybe the fictional counterpart thing isn't 100% strait forward.
Maybe it will be something of fiction? I think Moore would like to (maybe) depict the kids playing video games of varied forms.
Oh, but could you imagine the red tape to get that through? I mean, O'Neill was able to get Snow White into a couple of frames in the Blazing World but I'd imagine anything remotely later would be more like a Lawyer Unfriendly Cameo. But if they could, maybe in the way the above Troper suggested, or in the inevitable space travel adventure, the allusions to the interconnectedness of those worlds their implications within this realm of fiction would be quite something.
The League will visit another planet.
Moore has pretty much confirmed this...hopefully Ivalice will be the planet in question.
A likely guess would be Mars, for a good poetic reason.
Referring to the above WMG Morshu will join the League.
It's unlikely, but if he did they'd never be short on rupees.
The Big Brother government will make a comeback in some form.
When Norton warps into 2009 we see a symbol on a guard's shield that resembles a similar logo on the door of the Ministry of Love in Black Dossier. The difference this time round is that the world is more like the reality show than George Orwell's novel.
The League will fail to stop the Moonchild - and this will be a good thing!
Anyone who's read Alan Moore's other work - Promethea in particular - knows that he's actually a very big fan of Crowley. Making him just a straight up villain seems far too simple a move for Moore to pull. In Promethea the "unending aeon" Crowley predicted brought down the world. Not the planet or humanity, but our destructive system of governments, bureaucracy, and everything that oppresses us. The Moonchild in this story might turn out to be the best thing to happen to the world, bringing down governments and allowing for pure freedom of imagination. So if the Moonchild is Harry Potter as others have said, Moore might be paying a huge compliment to J.K. Rowling!
Or he may just make Potter out to be a bastard. We know that he's done worse to other beloved characters.
You've definitely got a point there, though it should be noted that most of Crowley's analogues so far have been villains in their original texts, magnificent bastards perhaps, but stlll villains. Despite this I'm still inclined to agree with you and think that the resistance to the so-called Moonchild is Moore's way of demonstrating society's fear of change, which has caused culture to stagnate and become repressed.
Semi-Jossed; Harry has basically been manipulated by Haddo all through his life in Century 2009, and is reminiscent of an incredibly spoilt brat with an insane level of power. However, Haddo's Moonchild isn't the apocalyptic being he predicted, but Haddo's decapitated head - taken by Harry - now predicts that Mina and Orlando will be the harbingers of a strange and terrible aeon in the Antichrist's place. So the Moonchild was meant to be pure evil, but wasn't quite all he was... Chalked up to be, to make a Bondian pun.
The UN unsuccessfully attempted to form an international League in The Nineties.
We know that Captain Universe answers to the UN to a certain degree, so even though evidence of the original 1898 league has been all but erased, the concept of putting together a team of 'Special' individuals is still present and may have been used to bridge international relations. The league would be helmed by an aged Captain Universe, with potential members including an overpowered anime/manga character (Take your pick, but I'm thinking Goku; a delegate from Russia, a jaded product of the collapsed Soviet Union and an African warlord, in line with the League's history of taking in monsters. The league is of course disbanded, possibly following their failure to prevent 9/11 or its fictional stand-in. I'm not too sure about the specifics so any other suggestions are more than welcome.
Hum. Mac? Stealing the identity of Dr Sidney Zweibel (who went into Witness Protection under the alias Seth Brundle and tragically vanished), he'd probably be useful as a techie for such a group. While gaining degrees under human pseudonyms - Ian Malcolm, David Levinson - and doing some "vacationing", of course.
Jason Voorhees. The League aren't averse to taking in invisible rapists, rampaging monsters, or terrorists in submarines — they probably wouldn't lose much sleep over hiring a serial killer. With the right amount of brainwashing and/or mystical control, he'd be a good guy to have on their leash.
An aging Dr. Daisuke Serizawa, who'd been presumed dead and in hiding since the 1950s, served as the team's science advisor, and used his experience with unusual creatures to help the team battle supernatural threats.
Black or the Minotaur, either one really. If the theorized League led (presumably) by Phileas Fogg is any example, preteens have been in Leagues so it wouldn't be too much of a stretch that the ultraviolent Black might have ended up in it. Of course though, The Minotaur is apparently a separate entity so it's just as likely (if not more so) that he'd be part of this group, the League has no problem recruiting monsters into their group...and the Minotaur is even tough enough to fight professional alien assassins, assassins who pretty much take down all the threats to Snake wherever else they go.
Deadpool, it may seem unlikely but he is pretty much an all around powerhouse, not to mention a complete nutjob, since the government has no trouble recruiting loonies (see Hyde or Griffin) he'd fit right in...plus they'd probably involve superheroes at some point.
Duke, while a good deal of his schemes have failed in the past someone like him would probably either make a good member or handler for the group (he's not that much better than Campion Bond after all.)
All their cases come from tapes produced by Carl Kolchak, a Chicago reporter heavily involved with the supernatural.
Based on a series of documents leaked around a decade ago about a weird division of MI6 in the Victorian period, which quite caught the public imagination at the time, a few writers have tried theirowntake on the idea. Of course, no-one really cares about those stories anymore.
After the Water-gateway Scandal, The US Congress lowered the age of eligibility for presidency to appease the youth vote and they, in turn, elected Prez Rickard, a teenaged middle-american who was an idealist who pardoned Gilligrass and lead the way for better gun control laws.
"Ayn Rand" was a pen name used by industrialist and philosopher Andrew Ryan, who created another identity so that he could publish books on his ideas while hiding out in Rapture. He figured that writing as a woman would make his philosophy seem less threatening.
Nozz-a-la is an iconic American soft drink, known for its distinctive red and white logo with the curly script and its ad campaign with the polar bears. That soft drink company that sent representatives to the North Pole to meet Santa Claus was actually the Nozz-a-la Company.
But that does not even come close to The Truman Show, where a human being lived in an artificial island society unaware that his life was a television program and everyone around him was an actor. People were split on the morality of this situation: many enjoyed the show and even felt comfort from it, while others felt that this was a form of enslavement. Regardless, the program changed television history and made the reality show popular beginning in the 1990s.
GameaVision is a Video Game company known for it's infamous history during the Larrity-Era in the 80's.
C.C.'S Pizza is one of the hottest pizza joints worldwide and was founded by the allegedGreat-Great-Great Granddaughter of American Revolution figure C.C., who took a bullet for Washington during the Siege of Yorktown and 'died'.
Randy "The Ram" Robinson was the most popular American professional wrestler in the history of the sport, and helped make pro-wrestling what it is today. His feud with the "The Ayatollah" is legendary among wrestling fans.
Speaking Springfield celebrities, famous B Movie star and beloved Saturday Night Live alumni, Troy McClure was murdered by his wife, Selma Bouvier-McClure, who at the time was strung out on drugs given to her by a friend of McClure, Matthew Brock. Brock was later punched out by another of McClure's friends, movie critic Jay Sherman.
Newark-born actor Andrew "Large" Largeman was one of the most recognizable sitcom stars of the 2000's, but his career was unexpectedly derailed when investigative journalist Lois Lane exposed his connections to Newark mobster Tony Soprano, who helped him on the road to fame.
The regions in the Pokémon franchise are the geologically warped remains of Japan
Personally, I blame a technologically top-heavy Laputa around the latter half of the 20th century. Would you trust those TV Geniuses with nuclear technology?
Being a technologically-advanced nation of geniuses, Laputa becomes a nuclear country in the twentieth century (assuming it's still around?).
The Moonchild will be an AI
Specifically, MULTIVAC, considering the themes of the work. Skynet, GlaDOS, the Machines, and HAL 9000 could be failed experiments by companies infiltrated by Haddo's followers after the repeated failures of the Rosemary's Baby strategy mentioned in Century:1969.
The League will live through the beginning of the Sixth World
The League has encountered one before, it's possible others existed as well.
Prospero will become a villain.
When reading the newest volume I noticed some rather odd things concerning Prospero.
1, he seemed to treat the League rather oddly, specifically as if he didn't need them anymore.
2, Haddo mentioned a 'strange and terrible new aeon' that Mina and Orlando heralded, and also mentioned a 'subtle game', John Subtle being an alias of Prospero.
3, He could have prevented the Antichrist the whole time, he mentioned scrying note Or looked into the future and sawAlan with Mina and Orlando when they faced the Antichrist, but if he could see the future then why didn't he just give direct instructions to the League back in the sixties? A lot of blood would have been saved otherwise.
Now as for what his motive would be I don't know, but in the Black Dossier it was said that the League was made to bridge the gap between mankind and the fairies, plus he also wanted the Shakespeare folio that said this...so maybe he's trying to bring back the faerie, but the question is...if that is his goal why would the faerie race's return be done with the amount of manipulation Prospero did?
Not to mention, Prospero seems to have some kind of agenda concerning the black Monoliths from 2001 in Minions of the Moon. If Vol. 4 really does take the League to outer space, Minions seems like a major setup for that in retrospect.
The new Nautilus is a spaceship
Jack Nemo said that they might need his new Nautilus sooner due to the condition of the skies...so maybe that's what he meant, a way of Earth?
The League will now consist of...
Mina, Orlando, Emma Night, the Gally-Wag, and Jack Nemo.
Many popular works of fiction take place in The Matrix
In is timeline, the war with Skynet ends with the machines withdrawing to build their own civilization in the Middle East, a massive, automated city called Zero-One. There are no humans for hundres of miles, save for the artificially grown ones used as batteries/cluster-computers by the machines and a rumored underground city. These cloned humans are fed an artificial reality to keep their minds active.
Presumably, a young scientist named Bolivar Trask had something to do with the technology that drives said machines' weapon systems (which is why they're still called "Sentinels" by the Zero-One period).
X-Files is a strong candidate, since extraterestrials are commonplace in the League's reality. Maybe Mulder and Scully were actually "debugging" programs and didn't even know it. It would make sense that the machines limited their simulation to just Earth/Humans for a number of reasons, namely that it's just easier. So naturally, when a rogue program manifests as an alien/vampire/whatever, the system would try to cover it up. Just about any other alien conspiracy story would work as well.
Remakes and reboots. For instance, if Golden Age Marvel/DC characters exist in the League universe, maybe the Marvel Cinematic Universe/Dark Knight Saga happened in the Matrix. The movies establish that the Matrix was revised to more accurately reflect human history. In the League universe, that would make it a pretty interesting place! Maybe all the other versions of those character existed in past "versions" of the Matrix.
Moore's made a Deus Ex reference, plus mentions of the Mogul oil company and Tesco as portrayed in Time Trumpet are giving the impressions of corporations that secretly control more than we know...so this might not be out of impossibility...Hell, even Fu Manchu exists in TF2 as well.
Charles Foster Kane will appear in the next story, and he wants the Pool of Immortality
In the description to the upcoming "Nemo: Heart of Ice," Pirate Jenny's voyage to the South Pole is financed by "An influential publishing tycoon, embarrassed by the theft of valuables belonging to a visiting Ugandan monarch." Other sources say that the opening scene of the story will take place in New York before going to Antarctica. Publishing tycoon in New York? Kane seems an obvious fit. Not sure who the Ugandan monarch could be, but the Pool of Kor is located in Uganda in the League 'verse. Perhaps Kane wants to delay his final word?
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Moore was already planning this part back when The Black Dossier came out. The first time I read that one, I found myself wondering why the 1950s "M" didn't look anything like Orson Welles, since we're told that Harry Lime was one of his many alter-egos. But if he was already planning on adding another famous Orson Welles character in a future volume, it makes sense.
The other explanation is that the Harry Lime in Black Dossier is not the American version played by Orson Welles, but the British version from the novel. I'm sure Moore chose this version because making Harry Lime M is too perfect to pass up, but it would just be too hard to explain how an American racketeer became the head of British Intelligence.
OR... in the film The Third Man, the man who supposedly kills Harry Lime in the sewers of Vienna was the same person who played M first. Maybe Lime had his face altered to resemble his in order to infiltrate MI6? Wouldn't explain why Jimmy knows who he really is, or why he takes it so calmly, but still. Can't be a coincidence.
They did perform "flesh mechanics" on prisoners during their time on Mars, so wouldn't they have tried to create a perfected soldier at some point? Marvin is probably the result of one of these experiments that was left behind on Mars when the Molluscs left to invade Earth. When he was finally found and awakened (presumably by John Carter or one of the Tharks) he decided to devote his life to finishing what his creators started. But since he was an imperfect specimen with an incomplete brain, he wound up wasting his time with inept attempts to destroy Earth instead of conquering it.
It makes sense, then, that he'd spend so much time getting into skirmishes with Funny Animals: in the League universe, most talking anthropomorphic animals (probably including Bugs Bunny and company) were the result of Doctor Moreau's experiments. And who was singlehandedly responsible for the Molluscs' defeat in Volume 2? Doctor Moreau, of course. The poor guy wants vengeance on the "children" of the man that killed his creators.
There must be some way of working Orson Welles' War of the Worlds broadcast into the League universe in some way. Now Charles Foster Kane is going to play a big role in Heart of Ice, so wouldn't he be the best guy to work it in? Maybe he's a history buff who's fascinated by the Mollusc invasion, and he'll do an "educational" radio broadcast about it that'll make everybody think they've returned. Or maybe he'll intentionally try to convince the world that they're back as part of some Evil Plan. Spin it any way you want. It could work.
In the newsreel after his death, Kane was briefly shown standing beside Hynkel, so that's certainly plausible in-universe...
It's more likely that Kane's radio stations tried to warn the US of an actual alien invasion at Grover's Mill, New Jersey, but was brainwashed into doubling back on their report and claiming that it was a radio show. All as a coverup for the arrival of the Red Lectroids
The Molluscs return with a twisted plot to turn everyone into Scotsmen and win at Winbledon. Kane's announcements are instrumental in saving the world.
"Heart of Ice's" lauded technological adventurers could be...
The Justice Society of America were formed by Doctor Fate at the behest of the Blazing World so that they could subtly influence the course of the war. By directing the supers to punch the hell out of Nazi special agents, they prevented the special agents from tipping the balance of the war.
The famed adventurer Dr. Clark Savage Jr. was active in quite a few secret missions for the OSS, and served as a mentor, of sorts, to the archaeologist Henry Jones Jr., who was involved in several similar missions. Savage wound up with severe PTSD after one mission went wrong, leading to his retirement after the war.
Rabbi Loew and the Golem of Prague both actively contributed to resistance efforts in Nazi-occupied Eastern Europe.
One of the most famous famous school shootings was the Combine High massacre, which was done by Derik Harris and Derwin Klebold, a pair of Hynkel fanatics. This act having been influenced by the actions of another deranged student.
The was also controversy over a failed massacre planned by a student known as J.D. (who was also inspired by Derik and Derwin), as well as the events circling the death of a girl who was murdered in a prank.
Funny Animals like Bugs Bunny or Mickey Mouse have become more advanced and successful over the years to the point that the 20th century was a turning point for the Beast-Men or Moreau-Sapiens and their integration into human society.
His author did refer to him as being like the modern Don Quixote, and Quixote did join the version of the League Prospero formed...
Notes on Apocalypses
It's nearly impossible to reconcile the League universe with all of the works of fiction that end with the end of civilization, the planet, etc. Perhaps those stories are merely alternate timelines? It's possible that the outcomes of those apocalyptic stories were averted thanks to other elements of the League universe. For example:
During an folding experiment with technology reverse-engineered from this giant, alien space ship that crashed on South Ataria in the year 1999, an accident occurs and sends an USB flash drive with 10 TB of pirate-copied music, movies and porn to the Zentradi. The culture shock ends the Zentradi militarism and their adoption of culture allows them to defeat the protodeviln. Thus the First Space war doesn't occur, the zentradi don't devastate the Earth surface and the first contact between humankind and the zentradi is peaceful and starts long-lasting and strong cultural, ecenomic, military and personal ties.
The officers who were forced to execute him were local Tokyo Police Officers Natsumi Tsujimoto and Miyuki Kobayakawa, who were given a slight suspension for the death of the vigilante, but were nonetheless viewed as heroes by the public. Especially the victims.
Centuries after they were wiped out in the International Fleet's counterattack on their homeworld, the revived Formics (derisively known as "the Buggers" on Earth) embarked out from their new home on Lusitania and colonized many new planets, including Geonosis.
About 300-odd years after Prospero left his island to accept Gloriana's job offer, his abandoned island became the site of the DHARMA initiative, which set out to study the mystical forces that had drawn Prospero and Sycorax there in the first place.
After 9/11, the city of New York changed its name into something more "American" (after all, York is the name of a British town and the name implied that America still belongs to someone, an idea that post-9/11 Americans were strongly against). So, they named their new city, Liberty City.
There used to be a festival known as "Bobunk", but sometime in the middle of the 20th century it fell out of favour and people stopped celebrating it. No-one knows why.
Just because the League is defunct at the end of Century doesn't mean it always will be.
And when it returns, the group will consist of:
Harry Potter - Now in his 40s or 50s, with a long history of fighting bad guys and saving England
Cap'n Jack Harkness - still immortal, and with nothing to do now that Torchwood's defunct
Lara Croft - Coming up on middle age (if not there already) but as good as she ever was; she's Allan's spiritual successor
Adam Young - an Antichrist under MI-5's protection to make sure he doesn't fulfill his destiny (and to put his powers to good use until he does)
Selene - an immortal vampire who's decided to move beyond the petty vampire/lycan feud; she's Mina's spiritual successor
Austin Powers - the team's Campion Bond figure, now elderly but still jovial and a ladies' man
Not bad but there's a problem... Harry Potter is evil and dead there.
Hey, why not do it like in fanfiction: They got the WRONG Boy-who-lived-to-be-a-crazy-murdering-motherfucker!!
Giving Emma Peel immortality will prove to be a bad move.
Without any mandate for a league following Prospero's abandonment, Mina and Orlando will eventually join up with Jack Nemo for space adventures, while Emma will use her own fortunes to buy out companies like Mogul, becoming increasingly wealthy. By the year three thousand the will have shortened her title of Mother to Mom, an will become the primary villain.
Hogwarts still exists.
It may have suffered a devestating attack from the Antichrist (Harry Potter), but who said that the school was indeed destroyed and closed forever? In "Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire", chapter 11, it is stated that non-magical people cannot see the school; rather, they see only ruins and several warnings of danger. This is exactly what Mina and Orlando (both immortal, but non-magical) see when they visit the school.
The League has a tendency to recruit monsters, and if it wasn't for the control the Hellsing organization has on him, there is absolutely no doubt that Alucard would be a villain...It wouldn't be too hard to assume that Moore knows of Hellsing since he's researched some rather obscure things for the series without the assistance of a computer (and I'm talking things so obscure there isn't any real information about it on wikipedia) and since he draws elements and ideas from numerous works of fiction I'm betting he might try this at some point.
Dracula was already defeated and killed before the events from Volume I. Mina still carries the scars from her encounter with him though.
They only THOUGHT, that they killed Alucard. In reality, van Helsing made a deal with the UK to give them Alucard as a weapon in return for ... some kind of stuff.
And true as that may be, somebody did write a book in the sixties about Dracula coming back from the dead, and Moore tends to draw from multiple influences when using characters (such as when he wrote in Harry Potter) so it's possible Alucard could be in the series (alternatively he might just be a vampire who's brainwashed to think he's Dracula.)
Since the name Alucard was coined in Universal Horror film Son of Dracula, Alucard will be the son of the historical Dracula, the equally cruel Mihnea the Evil.
Either John Munch or Pete Munch will be in the next volume.
The 'Minions of the Moon story seemed to put a good deal of focus on Pete Munch in the third installment (being one of three witnesses to the march of the 'nude lunar amazons') personally I think this might be a setup for either him or his son to appear in the series.
It's not too far off an idea. He's already been crossed over with so many other things, why not this?
Volume 4 will take place in 2012.
It long confused me why Alan Moore would set the climax of Century in 2009 instead of 2012, the date of too many apocalypse theories and, more importantly, stories. Then I realized ... it was the end of a century that started in 2009. But then the story ends with Oliver Haddo's head telling Mina and Orlando that they will be the ones to bring forth the strange and terrible aeon. Three years is a good enough amount of time for the true climax to occur in 2012.
Or possibly 2017. If memory serves, that's the year Moore predicted would be the end of the world in Promethea
Gurren Lagann will either be referenced or outright appear in the series.
Because of this.
If Moore does do this (I highly doubt he wouldn't hear about this), he might end up watching the series too...which will either turn out really really good, or really bad.
At some point Alternate Universes will get involved
Moore didn't feature the Mooninites for some reason...maybe either A they weren't native to the Moon or they were just hidden. In either case though maybe Moore used this as an allusion since ATHF is fairly well known and I doubt Moore doesn't know about it.
The world governments, including the Freemason-controlled British government, know about the existence of Yuggoth.
In 2006, an American satellite was approaching the planet commonly known as Pluto, which had previously only been a dot in their photographs and telescope observations. When the first pictures of the planet came back to NASA, they were horrified to discover a planet ofsupernatural monsters. The rest of the world governments were informed of this terrible discovery, and they knew that if the public and the world found out, there would be unrest and hysteria. They sought ways to make sure the public, already traveling to space in commercial spaceflights, never learned about the evils lurking in Pluto, and eventually a creative, abstract solution was employed. The scientific community was forced to issue public statements that Pluto was not a planet.
The Farnsworths came to prominence when respected intelligence agent Astrid Farnsworth retired from a distinguished career with the FBI, and used her knowledge of fringe sciences to start a major science firm. Her dimwitted cousin, Phillip Fry, later accidentally got himself locked in one of her company's cryogenic chambers when he was trying to pay her a visit on New Year's Eve. With Astrid's company's profits, her distant descendant, Hubert Farnsworth, became a professor and was able to rise to great heights in the science world, but he soon lost most of his family's wealth, and he was forced to start a second-rate interplanetary delivery company to make ends meet. Later, when Phillip was unexpectedly revived, he tracked Hubert down in hopes of getting a job at his company. After years of running deliveries for Hubert, Phillip married his coworker Turanga Leela and started a family with her. Their daughter Kaywinnit "Kaylee" Fry inherited her mother's passion for spaceships, and eventually got a job as a mechanic on a dilapidated transport ship captained by a rogue army officer.
The Cobbs are a big-name underworld family who have spawned more than a few notable thieves and crooks over the years. The family line includes a psychotic London burglar; Dominic, a renowned American corporate thief who was known for his skill with dream-sharing technology; and Jayne, a feared mercenary who racked up some major charges fighting the Alliance in the 25th century. Jayne helped legitimize the family name after he went legit and entered the military, and one of his distant descendants eventually served as a general ina war against the alien Hath. An earlier heroic (but still rebellious in spirit) member of the family was a pioneering female aviator in the mid-20th century.
The Finns show up all over history, running the gamut from crooks to saints. The earliest member of the family to turn up in the history books was Huckleberry "Huck" Finn, a famed Southern outlaw from the 1840s who ran away from home as a child. Huck's great-great-grandson, Riley Finn, had a notable career as an agent for the government agency "The Initiative", and enjoyed a romantic fling with the legendary vampire slayer Buffy Summers. Riley's much more unsavory cousin, meanwhile, found work as an enforcer for the occult-obsessed crime lord Valmont. That Finn's grandson would follow in his granddad's criminal footsteps by becoming a famous Knowledge Broker and underworld informant in theSprawl, where he was known only as "The Finn". Notably, the family managed to outlast the Great Mushroom War of the 28th century, where they were one of the few human families to survive the global nuclear cataclysm. After this, the family name was carried on in the personage of a certain famed adventurer who became known far and wide as the bearer of the Enchiridion.
The Sawyers have gone from respected to notorious over the course of a century. Missouri adventurer Tom Sawyer was notable for finding treasure as a boy and respected in his town. As an adult, he moved to Texas and worked at a slaughterhouse, where his skill at killing and butchering cows were legendarily unmatched. However, advances in technology put him out of work, and in his shame and rage he started an infamous family of cannibalistic psychotics who raided graveyards for corpses and killed youth. His grandchild is the serial killer known as "Leatherface."
The Kanes have like the Finns been both angels and devils, the line started with Puritan adventurer Solomon Kane, his direct descendent was Will Kane, a town marshal who had a pair of children, one of whom was James Kane. James would move to Colorado where he found gold and inadvertently introduced villainy into their line when his son Charles got his start from that very wealth, the sole child he ever had (unbeknownst to him) grew up into Reverend Henry Kane. Not all the modern Kanes turned out evil though, such as superheroines Katherine and Bette Kane. The other Kanes of note were the offshoot of it that lived in Pine Valley, Pennsylvania. In the 21st century there was a criminal who claimed linage to the Kanes, though this was false and merely a handle.
The Ripleys had a bit of a reputation for sociopathy, starting with murderer and con artist Tom Ripley. This tradition of amoral murderers and thieves was eventually overturned by the birth of Ellen Ripley, who would go on to fight monsters far worse than her ancestor.
The Ryans are a cryptic enigma to most. Their family line first came to prominence with Objectivist business tycoon Andrew Ryan and his underwater city, but because of the unorthodox way that his son Jack was born, the world knows very little about his descendants. Despite how bizarre his DNA was, Jack did go on to father a pair of thieves named Ritchie and Rusty. Aside from them, though, the family line included another Jack Ryan, along with Caitlin Ryan and Pvt. James Ryan.
The Archers are a family of renowned adventurers who first came into the public eye when Private InvestigatorMiles Archer was murdered in 1930 after getting involved in a dispute over a coveted gold statuette from Malta. Without a strong father figure in her life to guide her, Miles' daughter Malory grew up as a cold-hearted, sexually voracious libertine, but she eventually followed in her father's footsteps and became a respected OSS operative, later going on to found the espionage agency ISIS. Though Malory wasn't exactly known for her parenting skills, her son Sterling went on to have a prolific career as one of ISIS's top spies, and developed an unshakeable interest in space travel after being involved in a mission to liberate a space station held hostage by mutinying astronauts. He passed this interest on to his grandson Jonathan, who grew up to become one of the first explorers in United Earth's Starfleet organization, captaining the famed starship Enterprise.
The Cranes have a bit of a reputation for attracting the strange and macabre, and many of them have been involved in psychiatry. The family first became infamous in local New York folklore in the late 1700s, when schoolmaster Ichabod Crane mysteriously vanished after allegedly being pursued by a headless ghostly entity. About 200 years later, they again entered the news in connection with a grisly murder case, where Marion Crane was murdered by the deranged serial killer Norman Bates, and her sister Lila helped bring Bates to justice. Marion's surviving brother, Martin Crane, went on to father three boys, all of whom developed interests in psychology after paying frequent visits to Bates in the mental hospital while they were growing up. Two of them, Frasier and Niles, grew up to become successful therapists in Seattle, with Frasier taking a job as a radio therapist. The third, Jonathan, was a somewhat more unsavory character who developed an obsession with the psychology of fear. Jonathan eventually moved to Gotham City to pursue work at Arkham Asylum, and later adopted a costumed persona as "The Scarecrow".
The Kennedys are a prominent political family in the United States, their most famous member being President John F. Kennedy, who was assassinated in Dallas, Texas, in 1963, officially by Lee Harvey Oswald but (possibly) actually by either the Templars, metahuman Edward Blake, or a Soviet Manchurian agent (possibly Alex Mason), among other potential gunmen. A lesser-known member of the Kennedy family is Leon Scott Kennedy, a former Raccoon City police officer who witnessed the zombie outbreak in the city on his first day, which ultimately led to Raccoon City's destruction by nuclear device. He later became a Secret Service agent and was tasked with recovering President Graham's daughter Ashley from Spain. He was later accused of murdering the President of the United States (who had actually succumbed to C-Virus infection and became a zombie) by Derek Simmons, and ultimately killed Simmons in China and was cleared of all charges.
Descendants of Fu Manchu include Iron Man's long-time enemy the Mandarin. Professor Moriarty's descendants include Fantastic Four villain the Mad Thinker. Their feud seems to have been forgotten.
Ayesha establishes a line of African witch-priestesses, who eventually produce a godlike mutant named Ororo Munroe.
Even more probable as both Storm and Ayesha were based on the real-life (well, mythological) South African Rain Queens (AKA modjadji).
Another such witch-priestess was Queen La, ruler of the lost city of Opar during the time of Tarzan, the Lord of the Apes.
Jack Carter from Century:1969 was a descendant of Randolph and John (already related, as shown by the supplement to the first volume). Clearly at some point Anglophile Randolph eventually lived his dream and started a family in London's East End. (Can't be more dangerous than life in Arkham)
And the great apocalypse is the Mushroom War that causes the Blazing World to engulf all of Earth into a single existence. Most of humanity is destroyed, save one boy, and would explain much of the random chaos Ooo is filled with. Put on your 3D glasses now.
Which would make Megapatagonia... ooO.
Sooner or later, Moore will introduce Forrest Gump into the League- verse
Moore clearly gets a lot of joy out of taking beloved film characters and showing how flawed they were in the original text (Isn't that right, Jimmy?). As anyone who's read the novel version can testify, Gump definitely fits the bill. No idea as to what context he appears in- maybe he's on the moon with Munch, since in the novel Gump works with NASA. (No... seriously).
Eventually America will put together its own League
The very first League was the Fellowship of the Ring.
We know that Arda is Earth and that The Lord of the Rings takes place in the past (at least 6000 years ago, according to one of Tolkien's letters, but almost definitely much longer than that). We also know that The Shire is meant to be a stand-in for the British Isles. And we also know that you don't have to be a British native to be a League member (compare Natty Bumppo, Don Quixote, or Prospero).
With all that in mind, it can be understood that the Fellowship is the first iteration of the League, or at least spurred the idea. Similarly...
But who could be their M? There's no one who... oh crap- Gandalf's Elvish name is Mithrandir. Damn.
The Round Table was another early incarnation of the League.
Same idea: A group of nominal heroes dedicated to protect England (despite not all of them being English), many of whom have special powers or weapons. The Round Table may even be the first official League.
And of course, if this theory is true, Merlin was almost certainly their "M".
This troper heard a theory that the Knights are parallels of the original League, with Lancelot (whom Orlando describes as monstrously ugly) as Hyde. No idea for the others, but the theory says something similar about the soldiers of Troy.
And Churchill is Arthur reincarnated, as Arthur's WMG page suggests. While Orlando was inactive during WWII, Churchill was using Excalibur.
In fact, let's just go ahead and assume there was an entire WWII League; with the Golem of Prague inevitably involved.
Technically you could say every hero group or band of heroes ever in their Universe is a League (a bunch of notable individuals uniting for a common goal.)
In the League- verse, Argo became a hugely popular science fiction trilogy in the seventies and eighties, and six more films were planned by the director
Fictional examples replace real ones, right?
Not likely, since it's a work of fiction in our world (albeit one that was never actually made), and would presumably be fact in the League-verse.
In Japan, there is a strange land mollusc species that is known to rape teenagers with their tentacles, due to their hyperactive libido and blindness. Victims are not usually traumatized by the event, as they don't become pregnant and some even enjoy the experience, to the point of using the 'tentacle beasts' in pornography, which is legal due to local zoophilia laws.
By 2009, Ms. Peel questioned the existence of the Martian attack, even though this event should be well within the bounds of recorded history and, you know, alien invasions are pretty significant anyway. Clearly MIB is responsible for fabricating the history we all know about.
Who'd honestly put it past Tyler? For all we know, they're the LOEG version of Anonymous.
Every unexplained phenomenon in the series is being hunted by two secret rival organizations.
These twoorginizations are always trying to steal objects from the other in the belief that they are better suited to keep the universe safe from dangerous phenomena and they each believe that the other will only end up using the various dangerous entities and objects for their own gain.
Notes on wars and battles
U.S. General George Armstrong Custer died in the Battle of Long Horn due to an arrow through the head while he was raping Sitting Bull's daughter against a cactus.
The United States fought a long, arduous guerilla war with the machine-controlled city-state of Zero One near Q'umar, starting in the 2020s. It was the latest in a long line of conflicts in the region. note This is only partly fanon. The Animatrix specifically says that the Machines built their city in "the cradle of civilization" in the Middle East (i.e. the Fertile Crescent in Mesopotamia, or present-day Iraq).
James Bond is meant to be this world's analogue for Ian Fleming
A few characters already have been implied to be stand-ins for their creators (like Norton, and Stardust is called an abusive drunk, just like Fletcher Hanks). And think about it; Fleming worked for a spy agency and became famous for over-sexualized, wish-fulfillment-type action stories, exactly like Jimmy. Working off of that, Fleming's relative Christopher Lee once played the quintessential yellow peril character- maybe Dr. No isn't entirely imaginary after all.
Going off of the theories about characters in the League universe being (to some extent) stand-ins for the authors that created them, this would make sense, given the Real Life friendship between Sir Arthur Conan Doyle and Harry Houdini.
Read Volume III and Heart of Ice and tell me if I'm wrong.
There is a curious pocket dimension of the Blazing World dedicated to slashfic
Things we know about the Blazing World: it's a place where the fantasy becomes reality, it's host to worlds within worlds and everyone is doing everything with everyone else - even more so than in the Leagueverse proper. So it only makes sense that there are mirror-worlds in which even the people who weren't doin' it are doin' it. And let's not forget the potential for crossovers, in and out of universe - sociopath Jimmy Bond/antichrist Harry Potter anyone? Needless to say, if Orlando ever found this place we'd never see hir again.
Who else held the title of "M" in past and future Leagues?
The famed archaeologist ProfessorMarcus Brody was the "M" of an American League that formed after World War II. He faked his death after secretly using the Holy Grail to make himself immortal, and formed a new League based at Barnett College (which also housed a cache of magical artifacts that he amassed from his past travels).
The Irish business magnate Artemis Fowl, who was known by the cryptic monogram "M.M." as an adult (for Mud Man, an affectionate nickname that an old friend once gave him) formed his own League in the late 21st century, and shortened his traditional monogram to just "M".
The powerful sorcerer Merlin was the "M" behind Britain's first known League, the Knights of the Round Table. Following Arthur's death, which led to the permanent dissolution of Merlin's League, Merlin's old apprentice Morgana (also known as Morgan le Fay) formed a new League by recruiting the most powerful magic-users in Europe at the time.
"Hank", strange visitor from the future, master of secret knowledge no other magician can match
The Destroyer, Esther's husband, and the group's hatchetman
The immortal Vampire elder Marcus Corvinus, the first known Vampire, formed a League composed of the most powerful Vampires, Werewolves, Demons and Dark Necromancers in Medieval Europe. His League, a sort of Evil Counterpart to Morgana's League, became his private force of spies and assassins. They also helped him check the actions of the increasingly powerful Death Dealers, who grew beyond his control when he was forced to share power with Viktor and Amelia.
Angus MacGyver was the leader of a Pan-American League in the late 1980s and early 1990s.
Forrest Gump, a quasi-adventurer, former astronaut, former shrimping mogul, Veitnam veteran idiot savant.
Cyber Six, a Brazilian superhuman created by a nazi scientist and her brother, a genetically altered Panther with the brain of a human, Data Nine.
Doctor Hadji Quest, a former boy adventurer, now renowned scientist with expertise on engineering, biology and magic.
Robert Muldoon, former Game Warden at John Hammond's Jurassic Park in Costa Rica, an experienced hunter and tracker with knowledge of some of the deadliest predators in the natural world. note Muldoon survived in the original novel; it's only in the film adaptation that he was killed.
Altaďr Ibn-La'Ahad, one of the most skilled Assassins of all time and one of Al Mualim's personal proteges
Robin Hood, an English crusader who fought alongside Richard the Lionheart during the Crusades.
The philosophical giant Pantagruel, whose father Gargantua had previously served in Machiavelli's League.
The legendary Chiss military genius Mitth'raw'nuruodo (better known as Grand Admiral Thrawn) formed his own League as a secret personal strike force while serving in the Galactic Imperial Navy, hoping to one day use them to overthrow Emperor Palpatine and Darth Vader. He used the monogram "M" to hide his identity from his superiors in the Empire, and his true identity remained unknown until his death.
The famed Maia sorcerer Mithrandir (better known as Gandalf) oversaw the creation of the first League in recorded history: the Fellowship of the Ring.
After "The Moonchild" tried to destroy the world in 2009, one of the sole survivors of his rampage went into hiding under a monogrammatic pseudonym and endeavored to protect the Wizarding and Muggle worlds from further such threats with the help of Britain's last few great magic-users. Her name? Minerva McGonagall.
In the late 1990s and the 2000s decade, a League was formed by Russian Ultranationalist leader VladimirMakarov to pursue his own goals, and was a major participating force in the Russo-American War (known by some as World War III).
Wow, could anyone please try to propose the members of the Leagues each of these "M"s oversaw?
He/she has already shortened his/her name and started going by "Lando" in 2009, right? You can bet your ass that by the time the far future rolls around, he/she is gonna be lounging in a tricked-out penthouse in Cloud City, surrounded by a harem of half-naked Green Skinned Space Babes. Sure, he/she would have to get permanent blackface sometime before then. But let's be honest: this is an Alan Moore series. If he wasn't afraid of getting shit for "The Doctor" and "The Moonchild", I doubt he'd shy away from putting Orlando in blackface.
Maybe this could be done without blackface; since Orlando is of Greek origin and has spent a lot of time in sunnier climes, he... she... shkle has probably worked up a pretty dark tan. The real problem is that Star Wars explicitly takes place a long time ago, although, given all the bizarre plot devices that exist in-universe, that may not be such a problem.
Knowing what we know about his/her personality, is it really much of a stretch to picture him/her owning a strip club between tours in the Army? The cast of The Wire is already a confirmed part of the League universe (aside from John Munch and his family, Stringer Bell and Slim Charles appear in a street scene in 2009, and there's a "Marlon Little" mentioned in "Minions of the Moon" who may be Omar's father). And The Wire just so happens to include a supporting character who's actually named "Orlando". Coincidence?
Barnett College in upstate New York, which was once home to a certain archaeology professor named "Jones", is the site of a vast secret cache of mystical artifacts that Jones amassed from his past travels. As such, it's a frequent magnet for the supernatural (not unlike Miskatonic University farther north). The college's dean, Professor Marcus Brody, briefly served as the "M" of an American League during World War II, and used Barnett as a secret base.
Volume 4 will be spanning the course of three books
It will be taken as another trilogy, with the books being based on 2010, 2011 and 2012. Moore did say say he based 2009 on things that were already have happened and couldn't see too far into the future and maybe he also planned on having a Grand Finale for 2012.
Building on the post-apocalyptic Theory posted before
A new League is formed by various post-apocalyptic series' protagonists. It happens when Mr. House, with New Vegas under threat from the NCR and Caesar's legion, finds that a new threat is rising: The unstoppable army of God Emperor Raoh. Pressed to deal with the problem, House sends the Courier to find the only man capable of defending his city from Raoh: The man with the seven scars. Kenshiro agrees to aid House in stop Raoh and Caesar's legion and on the way, find allies in various other apocalyptic wanderers. They get their name when House refers to them as "Some kind of league. A league of Extraordinary Gentlemen."
Any suggestions for members of the League? So far I've only got Kenshiro as the Leader or the Heart of the team. On the villains side, I imagine a power struggle between Raoh, Caesar and other despotic post apocalyptic warlord types.
As for any inconsistencies in the various series time-lines: 1984 didn't happen in 1948 and Henry Jekyll committed suicide in 1886, but the series ignored those.
The most famous underwater explorer of the 20th century (not of the Nemo/Dakar line, that is) was Steve Zissou.
After the salvage of the wreck of the Titan mentioned in Heart of Ice, the wreck's location was forgotten until it was rediscovered by Dirk Pitt in the 1970s. In the 1990s, Brock Lovett led an expedition to the wreck looking for a famous diamond that Janni had somehow missed.
There was a League of some sort during the Renaissance
This League was likely a Multinational Team comprised members from all over Europe and maybe the Middle East as well, and included:
John Carter and Gullivar Jones aren't the only humans on Mars, nor are they the first. In fact, they were preceded by almost twenty years by another American who was astral-projected to Mars as a result of a mortal wound which prevented him from ever returning to Earth. He wandered Mars for eons, gradually attaining god-like powers and becoming King of Mars. His name was Abraham Lincoln.
The Comic Part 6
There exists a haven for mutants in the LoEG world
I figure that there would legally permitted cameos from The X-Men that, like Janni Dakkar's pirate crew in the Nemo spinoff books, are consisted of many mutants or superhuman men and women in fiction. Care to fill in the ranks?
Tom Sawyer would have been far too old, since he was a teenager in the 1860s. The Sawyer we see in the film is actually his son. That Sawyer's first name is Huckleberry, named for his father's best friend. It's an Embarrassing First Name, which is why he never tells it to the other League members.
Good try, but Jekyll addresses him in a deleted scene by the first name of Tom.
Deleted scenes don't count. Besides, his full name could be Huckleberry Thomas Sawyer. He goes by his middle name. Or he could be Tom Sawyer, Jr.
So he joined to avenge the death of his father's friend? Or his own best friend who isn't Huck Finn at all?
Why not? Maybe Huck Finn never had children of his own, but he became a friend and mentor to Tom's son. When Uncle Huck got killed, young Sawyer takes it on himself to seek revenge.
You convinced me. Better than I would have guessed.
Tom Sawyer, Jr continued the tradition and it finally made it's way to LOST's James "Sawyer" Ford
Mina is tempted to feed on Tom.
When he first flirts with her she politely denies him. This could be her early warning to him. Second was that grin on her face when he took Nemo's car. Her eyes literally looked like she was targeting him. Last when he succeeds in saving Venice, she noticed he was bleeding, but since she was full from the blood of the many mooks she killed she was satisfied....for now. Though one could argue that she did taste it off screen when she checked the wound for him.
The people who decided to include Tom are the same who gave Jimmy his alibi in Black Dossier
It's all a huge conspiracy by American filmmakers to embellish American involvement in the League. Think about it!